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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:45 am

chrisair wrote:
mga707 wrote:
Plan to head over to Pima later to find out when the tow across Valencia Road is scheduled. I'd imagine it will be in the wee hours of the early morning to avoid disrupting traffic. Valencia gets heavy in the rush hours.


They already towed it across. https://twitter.com/FlyingHighRyan/stat ... 4872198144

Thanks for the video. So surreal to see a B777 in full livery being retired and towed across the street for future museum display purpose. That's goes to Delta B744 last year too. Something you don't get to see every day in Asia. Happy retirement B-HNL!
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:48 am

chrisair wrote:
mga707 wrote:
Plan to head over to Pima later to find out when the tow across Valencia Road is scheduled. I'd imagine it will be in the wee hours of the early morning to avoid disrupting traffic. Valencia gets heavy in the rush hours.


They already towed it across. https://twitter.com/FlyingHighRyan/stat ... 4872198144

Thanks for the video. So surreal to see a B777 in full livery being retired and towed across the street for future museum display purpose. That's goes to Delta B744 last year too. Something you don't get to see every day in Asia. Happy retirement B-HNL!
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:51 am

So, are they gonna keep it in Cathay Colors or paint it into the original Boeing factory colors? I'm hoping for the latter.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:37 am

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That’s great to hear! Went to Pima last November great museum. Now I’ll definitely have to go back.

How does PIMA compare to Udvar-Hazy?


Very nice. Lots of walking around outdoors as well as indoor. Best thing is the nice dry desert keeps the planes from rusting away.



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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:59 am

I'm personally very gratified that WA001 is back home and appropriately "resting". It was one of the highlights of my career at Boeing to conceive of, and implement the
plan to save this airframe from the scrappers...here's the short story: due to the Boeing factory production snafu's in 1997-98, WA001 ended up in a bare bones status as
many parts were removed and used elsewhere. Other potential uses such as a military testbed (like the prototype B-767 and B-757), a VIP or head-of-state transport, or
as developed - put into revenue passenger service were pursued. The financials worked for all concerned. Another fun fact, this airplane flew with all three available B-777
engines: first with P&W, then GE in test work, and finally, RR in revenue service with CX - and likely the only widebody to ever fly with three different engine mfgrs.

Sorry there wasn't a flyby of the Boeing facility at PAE on the way to Tucson...today was a stunningly clear day here!!!
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:31 am

rj777 wrote:
So, are they gonna keep it in Cathay Colors or paint it into the original Boeing factory colors? I'm hoping for the latter.


Almost sure they'll keep it in Cathay Pacific. Pima's volunteer restoration crew is great, but they are not a paint shop. All other airliners at the museum have stayed in the colors they arrived in, except for the L-049 Constellation "Star Of Switzerland" that was restored to her original, simple (bare metal) late '40s TWA paint scheme by a TWA volunteer maintenance crew back in the late '70s.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:11 am

The 777 is a big aircraft, it will make quite a statement parked among the other planes. It's a shame Pima isn't getting a 777-300 ! That would be a sight :D
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:24 am

mga707 wrote:
chrisair wrote:
mga707 wrote:
Plan to head over to Pima later to find out when the tow across Valencia Road is scheduled. I'd imagine it will be in the wee hours of the early morning to avoid disrupting traffic. Valencia gets heavy in the rush hours.


They already towed it across. https://twitter.com/FlyingHighRyan/stat ... 4872198144


Yes, I was surprised they didn't wait until tonight. I have a photo but do not know how to post it here.


Eh, it probably was less than a five minute disruption. Not exactly the greatest, but most roads can easily withstand that short length of closure.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:03 am

mga707 wrote:
rj777 wrote:
So, are they gonna keep it in Cathay Colors or paint it into the original Boeing factory colors? I'm hoping for the latter.


Almost sure they'll keep it in Cathay Pacific. Pima's volunteer restoration crew is great, but they are not a paint shop. All other airliners at the museum have stayed in the colors they arrived in, except for the L-049 Constellation "Star Of Switzerland" that was restored to her original, simple (bare metal) late '40s TWA paint scheme by a TWA volunteer maintenance crew back in the late '70s.

That also depends if Cathay Pacific would allow them to keep the livery and if they do, is there a fee to be paid annually. Normally an airline as prestigious as CX will safeguard their branding closely. All their recent retired B744 and A343 livery were all painted over before leaving HK or upon reaching destination airport.
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:50 am

JAAlbert wrote:
The 777 is a big aircraft, it will make quite a statement parked among the other planes. It's a shame Pima isn't getting a 777-300 ! That would be a sight :D


Besides the Orbis DC-10, Pima's got a B-36 and 3 B-52s. So it has 'big plane' company. They do need a 747!
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:51 am

USAirKid wrote:
mga707 wrote:
chrisair wrote:


Yes, I was surprised they didn't wait until tonight. I have a photo but do not know how to post it here.


Eh, it probably was less than a five minute disruption. Not exactly the greatest, but most roads can easily withstand that short length of closure.


You're correct. Valencia Road was closed for less than five minutes.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:25 pm

mga707 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
mga707 wrote:

Yes, I was surprised they didn't wait until tonight. I have a photo but do not know how to post it here.


Eh, it probably was less than a five minute disruption. Not exactly the greatest, but most roads can easily withstand that short length of closure.


You're correct. Valencia Road was closed for less than five minutes.


Cue the "Why did the airplane cross the road" jokes.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:27 pm

I'll be visiting there in 2 weeks, also getting a reservation for the boneyard tour at Davis Monthan, can't wait.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:02 pm

xjetflyer2001 wrote:
I'll be visiting there in 2 weeks, also getting a reservation for the boneyard tour at Davis Monthan, can't wait.

It’s awesome. Check out the Titian Missile silo too.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:11 pm

Pima is, at least to me, the greatest aircraft collection in the world. It is the Valhalla of aircraft, the place where the Gods go when vanquished to wait out their time till they return. Will someone please queue Ride of the Valkyrie?
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:57 pm

tomaheath wrote:
xjetflyer2001 wrote:
I'll be visiting there in 2 weeks, also getting a reservation for the boneyard tour at Davis Monthan, can't wait.

It’s awesome. Check out the Titian Missile silo too.


Seconded! Just know that the Titan Missile Museum is in a different location, just over a half-hour's drive away, SW of Pima and the city of Tucson.
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:19 pm

mga707 wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
The 777 is a big aircraft, it will make quite a statement parked among the other planes. It's a shame Pima isn't getting a 777-300 ! That would be a sight :D


Besides the Orbis DC-10, Pima's got a B-36 and 3 B-52s. So it has 'big plane' company. They do need a 747!


OMG yes! A 747 is an absolute necessity! Perhaps one of the soon-to-be retired Air Force One 747s (yes, the military calls them something different - don't send messages about that)

Having lived in Tucson, I've been to the museum a few times and its always amazing to see the big planes up close. I think I need to visit again soon so I can check this new beast out.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:26 pm

mga707 wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
The 777 is a big aircraft, it will make quite a statement parked among the other planes. It's a shame Pima isn't getting a 777-300 ! That would be a sight :D


Besides the Orbis DC-10, Pima's got a B-36 and 3 B-52s. So it has 'big plane' company. They do need a 747!


As far as big planes go, I would love to see them get one of the C-5s sitting over at AMARC.

A B-1 would be great as well...
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:11 pm

tomaheath wrote:
xjetflyer2001 wrote:
I'll be visiting there in 2 weeks, also getting a reservation for the boneyard tour at Davis Monthan, can't wait.

It’s awesome. Check out the Titian Missile silo too.


Thanks, I'll have to see if we can fit that in to the schedule
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:57 pm

JAAlbert wrote:
mga707 wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
The 777 is a big aircraft, it will make quite a statement parked among the other planes. It's a shame Pima isn't getting a 777-300 ! That would be a sight :D


Besides the Orbis DC-10, Pima's got a B-36 and 3 B-52s. So it has 'big plane' company. They do need a 747!


OMG yes! A 747 is an absolute necessity! Perhaps one of the soon-to-be retired Air Force One 747s (yes, the military calls them something different - don't send messages about that)

Having lived in Tucson, I've been to the museum a few times and its always amazing to see the big planes up close. I think I need to visit again soon so I can check this new beast out.


I thought the current AF1 planes were going to the Reagan Museum in CA
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:07 pm

mga707 wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
The 777 is a big aircraft, it will make quite a statement parked among the other planes. It's a shame Pima isn't getting a 777-300 ! That would be a sight :D


Besides the Orbis DC-10, Pima's got a B-36 and 3 B-52s. So it has 'big plane' company. They do need a 747!
Add the 787 to the 'big plane' company as well :bigthumbsup:
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:21 am

I agree with the above sentiment that Pima Air and Space Museum is among the best air museums in the world ... and I have been to hundreds! All of my friends find it very odd that I visit this place yearly. (So now I go alone)

I applaud Cathay Pacific preserving this historic airframe. And ... sitting where it is, it will be "preserved". The climate makes aircraft last virtually forever. Quite a few aircraft have been "stored" here, then moved and restored. A good example is the Boeing 307 that sat at Pima for years, then was restored to perfection by Boeing in Seattle and now sits in Washington DC..

While the majority of the aircraft are military in nature, there are enough commerical transports to keep us enthusiasts occupied for a day. One of my favourites is the Viscount 724 of Trans-Canada Air Lines that flew the first ever turbine passenger flight in the United States. (I ignore that they incorrectly label it as a Viscount 744). ;)

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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:27 am

DL757NYC wrote:
DL_Mech wrote:
Glad to see more commercial planes get in to museums.



Is this Going to be displayed indoors or outdoors


Likely outdoors. But since Arizona is super-arid, it won't be a problem. The main issue now is de-fueling what fuel is left in B-HNL.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:52 am

rj777 wrote:
mga707 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:

Eh, it probably was less than a five minute disruption. Not exactly the greatest, but most roads can easily withstand that short length of closure.


You're correct. Valencia Road was closed for less than five minutes.


Cue the "Why did the airplane cross the road" jokes.


Because it was landing on 34R at SeaTac.


(Not the answer you expected eh?)
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:38 am

mga707 wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
Nice to see the plane find a new home. After 787 #2 (#1 is in NGO, #3 in Museum of Flight), Pima gets another early-build modern airliner.

Anyway, B-HNL was just ferried back to HKG from XMN, so it can fly to TUS tomorrow.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#1de65cac


Assuming it will fly into DMA (Davis-Monthan AFB) rather than TUS so that it can be towed across Valencia Road to the museum. Both PASM and DMAFB are less than 10 miles from my house. Will be looking out for it on approach tomorrow.


Damn. How did I miss this. I’m East Tucson.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:35 am

...now Pima just needs a 747...they were rumored to get a GE 747-100 (Line #25) but apparently haven't seen it yet. The USAF AF1&2 won't be available for at least 4 years, in the Trumpsters second term. A more notable acquisition would be a UA 747-400, as there are 18 sitting in the desert in VCV, except for one that should go to a UA museum. (yes, a UA museum!)
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:48 am

    friendlyskies22 wrote:
    ...now Pima just needs a 747...they were rumored to get a GE 747-100 (Line #25) but apparently haven't seen it yet. The USAF AF1&2 won't be available for at least 4 years, in the Trumpsters second term. A more notable acquisition would be a UA 747-400, as there are 18 sitting in the desert in VCV, except for one that should go to a UA museum. (yes, a UA museum!)


    There are also the ex-DL 747-400s just up I-10 at Pinal Air Park ('Marana'). One of those would make a nice addition as well. I think PASM will acquire a 747 eventually. The volunteer I spoke to when I went out yesterday to see the 777 said that their biggest problem now is that it's getting hard to fit everything on the lot. Lack of space is becoming an issue.
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    Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

    Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:19 pm

    aemoreira1981 wrote:
    DL757NYC wrote:
    DL_Mech wrote:
    Glad to see more commercial planes get in to museums.



    Is this Going to be displayed indoors or outdoors


    Likely outdoors. But since Arizona is super-arid, it won't be a problem. The main issue now is de-fueling what fuel is left in B-HNL.


    Probably the biggest, yeah. It's an issue, but still not even much of one, really. Defuel down to minimum and sump drain the rest. There might even be better ways (I've never drained a 777 down to zero, but I have do so with other Boeing products and that's usually the way to go). It's not like they'll need to cut anything to get the last of the non-useable out (although it may take a while).


    What I'd really like to see would be if there's a way they can nose to nose it with the B36. I think it would pretty neat considering how roughly similar their footprints are. ..
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    Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

    Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:29 pm

    rj777 wrote:
    JAAlbert wrote:
    mga707 wrote:

    Besides the Orbis DC-10, Pima's got a B-36 and 3 B-52s. So it has 'big plane' company. They do need a 747!


    OMG yes! A 747 is an absolute necessity! Perhaps one of the soon-to-be retired Air Force One 747s (yes, the military calls them something different - don't send messages about that)

    Having lived in Tucson, I've been to the museum a few times and its always amazing to see the big planes up close. I think I need to visit again soon so I can check this new beast out.


    I thought the current AF1 planes were going to the Reagan Museum in CA


    The Reagan museum has the 707 version of AF-1 in a dramatic display. I've been, it's a cool exhibit! Pima needs the 747 AF-1. How do we get this done??
     
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    Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:42 pm

    Wonder if CX gets the engines and some other internal components back as spares?
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    Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:35 pm

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    Wonder if CX gets the engines and some other internal components back as spares?


    It's likely that this will be the case - when QF delivered VH-OJA to HARS at Wollongong, for example, three of the engines still had commercial value and were removed by QF after the handover, then replaced with older life-expired units.
     
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    Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

    Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:38 pm

    I'm glad to see this airplane be preserved. I think the 777 is right near the top for revolutionary airplanes. It forever changed the airline world.
     
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    Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:18 pm

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    What I'd really like to see would be if there's a way they can nose to nose it with the B36. I think it would pretty neat considering how roughly similar their footprints are. ..


    Probably not, as Pima sorts their collection by general purpose (with exceptions). Bomber row, fighter row, military transport area, etc. Probably will squeeze her in with the 787 and 737-300.
     
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    Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:21 pm

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    Wonder if CX gets the engines and some other internal components back as spares?


    From what I understand the engines from HNL go to an ex EK 773 joining CX, 5 x 772 out. 5 x 773 in.

    The first entered service on Tuesday, B-HNS.
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    Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

    Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:33 am

    itisi wrote:
    iahcsr wrote:
    Wonder if CX gets the engines and some other internal components back as spares?


    From what I understand the engines from HNL go to an ex EK 773 joining CX, 5 x 772 out. 5 x 773 in.

    The first entered service on Tuesday, B-HNS.

    This is correct.

    From The 777 retirement and scrapping thread - 2018 thread, post from a week ago:

    Ex-Emirates A6-EMR B773A has now been delivered to Cathay Pacific as B-HNS after storage at XMN from 04. June - 03. Sept 2018. First of five ex-EK B773A going to CX. The other four are A6-EMT, EMV, EMX and EMQ.

    At the same time, CX will retire five B772A (B-HNA, HNB, HNC, HND, HNL). First B772A, 777 prototype B-HNL was withdrawn from service on 1st June 2018.
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    Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

    Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:43 am

    aemoreira1981 wrote:
    DL757NYC wrote:
    DL_Mech wrote:
    Glad to see more commercial planes get in to museums.



    Is this Going to be displayed indoors or outdoors


    Likely outdoors. But since Arizona is super-arid, it won't be a problem. The main issue now is de-fueling what fuel is left in B-HNL.



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