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Refinery Burnoff Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:59 am

Didn’t see this posted elsewhere. Flew into LAX this AM and was greeted with quite the scene.

Apparently a nearby refinery had a technical issue that required them to flare the stack just south of the field. Made for an interesting photo op of a departing AA A321.

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Re: Refinery Fire Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:13 am

Not seeing your pic but I'd really like to!
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Re: Refinery Fire Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:27 am

Chevron plant loss power this morning. Flare protocol initiated as part of standard operating procedures.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html
 
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Re: Refinery Fire Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:06 am

And of course the NIMBY's were all over it on local neighborhood boards. I guess they'd rather have the refinery blow up than vent the flare.
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Re: Refinery Fire Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:16 am

Hardly a fire. Simply a burnoff.

You'll actually see these rather often. They have regularly scheduled ones monthly.
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Re: Refinery Fire Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:00 am

I live in Playa del Rey, just north. We see burnoffs all the time.

Not newsworthy at all.
 
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Re: Refinery Fire Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:34 pm

I also live in Playa del Rey and saw the smoke plume while I was running on the beach yesterday morning. Was pretty minor; nothing on par with the wildfire smoke we get, or even the smoke from a large building fire.

Of course, the media made a huge deal out of it, and I'm sure there are factions in El Segundo and Manhattan Beach who will clutch their pearls and scream about how the refinery needs to go. Then they'll scream when developers pack houses and apartments onto the refinery site.

If the average Californian had his/her way these days, the only thing we'd build would be dog parks.
 
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Re: Refinery Fire Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:42 pm

jsnww81 wrote:
Of course, the media made a huge deal out of it


They really made this non-event into something much bigger. But I guess they have to fill the news with something...

jsnww81 wrote:
If the average Californian had his/her way these days, the only thing we'd build would be dog parks.


That and planting avocado trees everywhere ;)
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Re: Refinery Fire Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:50 pm

Typical Flare off procedure. Although the black smoke might be a concern of EPA or California CARB requirements.
 
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Re: Refinery Fire Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:15 pm

B747forever wrote:
jsnww81 wrote:
Of course, the media made a huge deal out of it


They really made this non-event into something much bigger. But I guess they have to fill the news with something...

jsnww81 wrote:
If the average Californian had his/her way these days, the only thing we'd build would be dog parks.


That and planting avocado trees everywhere ;)


And Starbucks.
 
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Re: Refinery Fire Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:52 pm

And then complain of gas price hikes due to no refineries nearby.....
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Re: Refinery Burnoff Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:16 am

Some of the flare events are pretty significant-- the ones you can hear from miles away and that light up the night sky like it is daylight. Those don't happen too often, but when they do they air gets pretty bad and it is quite a spectacle. Still blows my mind that homes across Rosecrans can go for $3.5MM easily.
 
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Re: Refinery Burnoff Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:11 am

Can’t seem to get my photo to post properly, but you can see it here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9igbe9sj1djwy ... 6.jpg?dl=0
 
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Re: Refinery Burnoff Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:10 am

All refineries have flares, the refinery process does separate off some quite poisonous gasses and condensates that must be burned to get rid of them. This looks like a bigger one than normal.
 
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Re: Refinery Fire Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:24 am

jsnww81 wrote:
I also live in Playa del Rey and saw the smoke plume while I was running on the beach yesterday morning. Was pretty minor; nothing on par with the wildfire smoke we get, or even the smoke from a large building fire.

Of course, the media made a huge deal out of it, and I'm sure there are factions in El Segundo and Manhattan Beach who will clutch their pearls and scream about how the refinery needs to go. Then they'll scream when developers pack houses and apartments onto the refinery site.

If the average Californian had his/her way these days, the only thing we'd build would be dog parks.



But it would create 100 K per year salaried dog pooper scooper jobs!
 
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Re: Refinery Burnoff Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:27 am

I live in Playa del Rey...just north of LAX. Burnoff happens very frequently. Must have been a slow news day.
 
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Re: Refinery Burnoff Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:46 am

Used to be a tech for a hydrogen system. When starting up we had to run to flare until we were at steady state. That was always a show when at night, but the hydrogen meant no smoke since it's can't combust incompletely.
 
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Re: Refinery Burnoff Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:09 pm

That and planting avocado trees everywhere ;)
B747forever this is fantastic!! Suppose they will plant toast trees next to said avocado trees?
 
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Re: Refinery Burnoff Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:26 pm

Smoke like that will get attention..
 
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Re: Refinery Burnoff Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:40 pm

The smoke was more than any burnoff I've seen in years. But other than a possible fine, no issue.
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Re: Refinery Burnoff Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:05 pm

lightsaber wrote:
The smoke was more than any burnoff I've seen in years. But other than a possible fine, no issue.


Why would they be fined for performing a regulation required burnoff?
 
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Re: Refinery Burnoff Near LAX (17 Sept 2018)

Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:09 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
The smoke was more than any burnoff I've seen in years. But other than a possible fine, no issue.


Why would they be fined for performing a regulation required burnoff?


The burnoff flare is fine by itself. However, depending on which year the flare stack was designed or erected. It's emission has to meet certain criteria mandated by EPA or local regulations when it was constructed.

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