UA to Initially Base 787-10 at EWR

ElroyJetson · Mon May 07, 2018 11:37 pm

Per USA Today UA will open their first 78J base at Newark.

Key Quote:

"United is considering a Boeing 787 pilot base at Newark (airport code EWR), “potentially to serve the 787-10s that begin arriving later this year.”

United has already begun discussions with the Air Line Pilots Association that represents its pilots about such a move, according to FlightGlobal, which cited an employee newsletter sent by United earlier this month.

"I am unable to provide specific EWR B787 mission details; but for now, note that the B787-10 is well-suited for European destinations," Paul Carlson, managing director for crew resources at United, wrote in the newsletter, according to FlightGlobal. Carlson said a Newark Dreamliner pilot base could come online around April 2019.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/ef8db4a ... e19b2179/ss_united-airlines-looks-at.html

janders · Mon May 07, 2018 11:42 pm

Yes posted and discussed about 2 weeks ago.

ElroyJetson · Mon May 07, 2018 11:44 pm

janders wrote:
Yes posted and discussed about 2 weeks ago.

If you click on the link the story came out today.

aemoreira1981 · Mon May 07, 2018 11:46 pm

janders wrote:
Yes posted and discussed about 2 weeks ago.

It was a rumor though. Likely routes I see at the start would be EWR-FRA and EWR-TLV (PM EWR arrival).

NYPECO · Tue May 08, 2018 12:02 am

janders wrote:
Yes posted and discussed about 2 weeks ago.

The previous thread was deleted though after the OP requested it.

CONTACREW · Tue May 08, 2018 12:03 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
janders wrote:
Yes posted and discussed about 2 weeks ago.

It was a rumor though. Likely routes I see at the start would be EWR-FRA and EWR-TLV (PM EWR arrival).

It wasn't a rumor. It was from the internal employee site that had a NDA at the bottom of the article so it was removed.

ElroyJetson · Tue May 08, 2018 12:16 am

CONTACREW wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
janders wrote:
Yes posted and discussed about 2 weeks ago.

It was a rumor though. Likely routes I see at the start would be EWR-FRA and EWR-TLV (PM EWR arrival).

It wasn't a rumor. It was from the internal employee site that had a NDA at the bottom of the article so it was removed.

The good news is that now the story has been legitimately confirmed by a reputable news agency. No rumors.....no alleged internal employee scuttlebutt.....but actual real news.

Now that we have that resolved please feel free to discuss the actual topic in the OP. Thanks.

LAXintl · Tue May 08, 2018 12:20 am

Indeed was not a rumor, but formal statement by a company that they issued notice of proposed decision making about the opening of 787 base at EWR estimated for April 2019 for 787-10 basing.

Here is Google cache of thread

UAL B787 base planned for EWR - Airliners.net
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=us

CarlosSi · Tue May 08, 2018 12:24 am

A little shocked at first, since EWR isnt much of a 787 hub, although with its range and size it seems optimal for “short” transatlantic flights, but we all knew that.

aemoreira1981 · Tue May 08, 2018 12:56 am

CarlosSi wrote:
A little shocked at first, since EWR isnt much of a 787 hub, although with its range and size it seems optimal for “short” transatlantic flights, but we all knew that.

I could also see the 787-9 out of Newark for all flights to Asia other than NRT. Once the B77Es go 10 abreast in Y, they’re unlikely to make it to any India and Far East destinations without major payload restrictions. Each would likely also do transcontinental services to rotate between EWR and the California hubs.

dmstorm22 · Tue May 08, 2018 1:31 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
A little shocked at first, since EWR isnt much of a 787 hub, although with its range and size it seems optimal for “short” transatlantic flights, but we all knew that.

I could also see the 787-9 out of Newark for all flights to Asia other than NRT. Once the B77Es go 10 abreast in Y, they’re unlikely to make it to any India and Far East destinations without major payload restrictions. Each would likely also do transcontinental services to rotate between EWR and the California hubs.

The EWR-BOM/DEL routes could be upped to 77Ws at some point to - that was the initial plan before Kirby took over.

The 78J makes complete sense for EWR for its EU routes.

airzona11 · Tue May 08, 2018 2:01 am

7810 will be a money making machine from EWR.

ua900 · Tue May 08, 2018 2:10 am

Well, so much for the frequent claim that EWR doesn't get new stuff. I take it that the 764 would be first in line for redeployment given the relatively high Y- capacity of the -10, for places like CDG or TXL during high season. Any perspectives on where it could be deployed first? I assume they get enough Polaris seats for 3 planes by EOY :-)

Blockplus · Tue May 08, 2018 2:52 am

The 10 could replace all the 777-200 out of iah. Would be a great plane there too.

FlightLevel360 · Tue May 08, 2018 2:55 am

Blockplus wrote:
The 10 could replace all the 777-200 out of iah. Would be a great plane there too.

IAH-NRT seems to be a little too long for it...

Newbiepilot · Tue May 08, 2018 3:01 am

Plenty of 777-200 and 767-400 jobs that the 787-10 can fly. LHR, CDG, FRA, BRU, MXP, GRU, HNL, SJU etc from EWR

ElroyJetson · Tue May 08, 2018 3:28 am

Hub to Hub comes to mind.....i.e. EWR-FRA or EWR-MUC for starters. And I agree with the poster above, the 78J should be outstanding on TATL routes for UA.

ronitkadam777 · Tue May 08, 2018 4:10 am

It's about time those 772ERs get replaced! 14-16hrs with outdated IFE on the EWR-BOM/DEL legs has been painful! 77W makes sense as AI deploys the 77Ws on the similar segment. A359 could also be a good candidate!

dmstorm22 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
A little shocked at first, since EWR isnt much of a 787 hub, although with its range and size it seems optimal for “short” transatlantic flights, but we all knew that.

I could also see the 787-9 out of Newark for all flights to Asia other than NRT. Once the B77Es go 10 abreast in Y, they’re unlikely to make it to any India and Far East destinations without major payload restrictions. Each would likely also do transcontinental services to rotate between EWR and the California hubs.

The EWR-BOM/DEL routes could be upped to 77Ws at some point to - that was the initial plan before Kirby took over.

The 78J makes complete sense for EWR for its EU routes.

avi8tir · Tue May 08, 2018 4:38 am

Will the -10's be getting the new Polaris seats or the PMCO BizFirst product?

ElroyJetson · Tue May 08, 2018 4:56 am

avi8tir wrote:
Will the -10's be getting the new Polaris seats or the PMCO BizFirst product?

According to flightglobal the UA 78J's will be getting the new Polaris seats.

Key Quote: "FlightGlobal has already reported that United’s 787-10s will be configured with 318 seats, including 41 lie-flat seats in “Polaris” business class, 21 in an international-style premium economy section and 253 in coach. Of the coach seats, 45 will be extra-legroom seats."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 10-448356/

Block · Tue May 08, 2018 5:14 am

Are there any more orders for the -8 or -9? If not will a base be closed and EWR would be replacing it?

hz747300 · Tue May 08, 2018 5:30 am

Any chance they'll send the bird to HKG?

anrec80 · Tue May 08, 2018 5:52 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
janders wrote:
Yes posted and discussed about 2 weeks ago.

It was a rumor though. Likely routes I see at the start would be EWR-FRA and EWR-TLV (PM EWR arrival).

Does 787-10 have legs to TLV? It's a perfect plane for Europe-East Coast routes, but not beyond that.

anrec80 · Tue May 08, 2018 5:53 am

hz747300 wrote:
Any chance they'll send the bird to HKG?

Not 10 - no range. Maybe 789.

LY777 · Tue May 08, 2018 7:04 am

Would be great in CDG

LY777 · Tue May 08, 2018 7:08 am

anrec80 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
janders wrote:
Yes posted and discussed about 2 weeks ago.

It was a rumor though. Likely routes I see at the start would be EWR-FRA and EWR-TLV (PM EWR arrival).

Does 787-10 have legs to TLV? It's a perfect plane for Europe-East Coast routes, but not beyond that.

EWR-TLV is 5700 miles, while the 787-10 range is 7400... so shouldn’t be a problem at all

UAL777UK · Tue May 08, 2018 7:18 am

Please bring this bird to LHR!!

iahcsr · Tue May 08, 2018 7:29 am

Block wrote:
Are there any more orders for the -8 or -9? If not will a base be closed and EWR would be replacing it?

Only remaining 787 order... at this time... is the 14 -10s. I would be quite surprised if that doesn’t change at some future point. As for the base, that is a good question.

AMollenhauer9 · Tue May 08, 2018 1:11 pm

So ORD will be the only UA hub without 787 service. They'll be flying the 767s to ORD until they're falling apart.

jayunited · Tue May 08, 2018 1:13 pm

Block wrote:
Are there any more orders for the -8 or -9? If not will a base be closed and EWR would be replacing it?

I don't see UA closing 787 bases at SFO, LAX or IAH, the IAD based was opened because it allowed UA to utilized the 787's more efficiently I believe Kirby or Munoz stated it gave UA access to an extra aircraft over IAH. With the 787-10s being based at EWR UA could either leave the base at IAD or close IAD's 787 base and move those aircraft up to EWR and move the 777s and 764s to IAD. But remember there are no 789s based at IAD only 788s, all of the 789s are based out of SFO, LAX, and IAH (for IAH-SYD). I don't see UA moving 789's from their West Coast base to EWR to cover EWR-Asia or India flights.

I do think we will see a major redeployment in the wide body fleet this coming winter because the FA's will finally be merged as one cohesive unit but having said that I don't see 777's going back to LAX to cover international flying from that hub, and SFO has a few flights were the 789 is needed to either operate the route, or is needed to eliminate weight restrictions that plague the 77E's. I think the major reshuffle will be between ORD, EWR, and IAD, right now and ever since the merger ORD has had no sCO widebodies cover any international flights. I think once the FA are combined at the very least ORD-HKG-ORD will switch over the a sCO 77E because it has a higher MTOG than the sUA 77E and perhaps ORD-PVG-ORD as well.

strfyr51 · Tue May 08, 2018 1:29 pm

This is all initial basing this may or may Not be how it is in a year or so. Marketing decides things at United and with Europe being a damn big market ?
It stande to reason they might choose EWR for the east coast B787-10 base. I would NOT cast that decision in stone though.
But!!!! It's a pretty good opening Gambit for sure. United has an Idea what thte airplane can do and what they want it TO do.
Depending on how the passengers react to the airplane? Will further determine where it will be based next and how many more United will actually buy. Because there's still the A350 to be delivered as well.

pabloeing · Tue May 08, 2018 2:32 pm

¿MAD with the B78X?

CX747 · Tue May 08, 2018 2:38 pm

Glad to see EWR getting new metal. 787-10s will be a nice change. I’m looking for a massive influx of 797s (IF it goes forward). EWR is a large haven of 757/767 series aircraft heading Eastbound across the pond. While I love to see the old workhorses, a new 797 EWR based fleet would be great.

Bricktop · Tue May 08, 2018 2:38 pm

Cool, but I am still gonna miss the TATL 767s.

gsg013 · Tue May 08, 2018 3:07 pm

Lets think what transatlantic routes are 777 out of EWR

EWR-CDG
EWR-FRA (777W)
EWR-DUB
EWR-LHR
EWR-BRU 2X
EWR-BCN

I believe all of these could and should be candidates for the 787-10 when it comes to Newark. There are probably a few other planes that are currently 767-400ER or 767-300 that may be able to move over to 787-10 at some point.

MIflyer12 · Tue May 08, 2018 3:33 pm

airzona11 wrote:
7810 will be a money making machine from EWR.

For the not-too-numerous TATL routes from EWR that can fill 318 seats, yes. Look at how many routes & frequencies get a 777 or 77W today.

drdisque · Tue May 08, 2018 3:34 pm

Is there a seat map for the 787-10? If it ends up being less premium than the Polaris 777-200ER then it may make sense to put it on routes like EWR-MXP/FCO if it's more premium heavy I can see it doing LHR and BRU.

WorldFlier · Tue May 08, 2018 3:40 pm

gsg013 wrote:
Lets think what transatlantic routes are 777 out of EWR

EWR-CDG
EWR-FRA (777W)
EWR-DUB
EWR-LHR
EWR-BRU 2X
EWR-BCN

I believe all of these could and should be candidates for the 787-10 when it comes to Newark. There are probably a few other planes that are currently 767-400ER or 767-300 that may be able to move over to 787-10 at some point.

Right now Lufthansa flies their 747-8I and United flies their 777W on EWR-FRA once a day each. This seems like overkill for a 7 hour route when those birds can be used on longer missions. Unless there's a lot of belly cargo, which is a distinct possibility.

United adding a earlier departure on a 767-300/400 and swapping the 777W to a 787-10 could allow Lufthansa to swap in a A330 allowing for better utilization of their Heavies.

Having 3, spread out, daily flights from one of United's main hubs to Lufthansa's main hub would also improve connections and drive passengers to them. Frankly, the 9:30AM arrival of United is just a bit late for many of Lufthansa's connections and I end up spending 3 hours at Frankfurt.

Bricktop · Tue May 08, 2018 3:45 pm

EWR-CDG is a 757 or a 767 at different times of the year. A 78X is overkill there.

adambrau · Tue May 08, 2018 4:25 pm

Bricktop wrote:
EWR-CDG is a 757 or a 767 at different times of the year. A 78X is overkill there.

The earlier departure to CDG is currently a 772.

Bricktop · Tue May 08, 2018 5:23 pm

adambrau wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
EWR-CDG is a 757 or a 767 at different times of the year. A 78X is overkill there.

The earlier departure to CDG is currently a 772.

Yes, but in the fall it goes (went) to a 767 and later as we get into winter, even a 757.
This Nov/Dec, looks like a 767.

notconcerned · Tue May 08, 2018 6:42 pm

gsg013 wrote:
Lets think what transatlantic routes are 777 out of EWR

EWR-CDG
EWR-FRA (777W)
EWR-DUB
EWR-LHR
EWR-BRU 2X
EWR-BCN

I believe all of these could and should be candidates for the 787-10 when it comes to Newark. There are probably a few other planes that are currently 767-400ER or 767-300 that may be able to move over to 787-10 at some point.

Not sure if EWR-DUB and EWR-BCN are considered candidates, considering both are on a 772HD (28J336Y). EWR-BRU is only 1 daily on 772. The 78J can also be used on 763/764 routes to grow the market.

FSDan · Tue May 08, 2018 7:10 pm

gsg013 wrote:
Lets think what transatlantic routes are 777 out of EWR

EWR-CDG
EWR-FRA (777W)
EWR-DUB
EWR-LHR
EWR-BRU 2X
EWR-BCN

As of this summer, the 777 transatlantic routes out of EWR will be:
DUB (77A)
MAD (77A)
BCN (77A)
BRU
FRA (77W)
MXP

The 77A is the domestic-configured version that is being used on TATL routes for the first time since they were reconfigured.

OA940 · Tue May 08, 2018 8:12 pm

Honestly it is the perfect plane for TATL. Flights from the East Coast of the US and Canada to Europe are just the thing the -10 was designed to do, and it can replace smaller 789s and some 359s so they can utilize their range better. UA in particular could use the -10 to replace all of its old 772's and some 77Es in Europe.

iahcsr · Tue May 08, 2018 10:13 pm

drdisque wrote:
Is there a seat map for the 787-10? If it ends up being less premium than the Polaris 777-200ER then it may make sense to put it on routes like EWR-MXP/FCO if it's more premium heavy I can see it doing LHR and BRU.

I have a pic but don’t know how to put it here from iPad .. configuration is 44/21/253

IAHWorldflyer · Wed May 09, 2018 2:29 am

I don't want to be pendantic, but I do not think there is currently a 787 base at IAH of any kind. That base was moved to IAD last year.
Currently the only 787 operations from IAH is a 789 that runs IAH-SYD in a W pattern with LAX. I don't work for UA, but I assume those crews are either LAX or SFO based.

flight152 · Wed May 09, 2018 2:40 am

IAHWorldflyer wrote:
I don't want to be pendantic, but I do not think there is currently a 787 base at IAH of any kind. That base was moved to IAD last year.
Currently the only 787 operations from IAH is a 789 that runs IAH-SYD in a W pattern with LAX. I don't work for UA, but I assume those crews are either LAX or SFO based.

IAH 787 is indeed still open.

adambrau · Wed May 09, 2018 2:56 am

iahcsr wrote:
drdisque wrote:
Is there a seat map for the 787-10? If it ends up being less premium than the Polaris 777-200ER then it may make sense to put it on routes like EWR-MXP/FCO if it's more premium heavy I can see it doing LHR and BRU.

I have a pic but don’t know how to put it here from iPad .. configuration is 44/21/253

https://twitter.com/LAflyr/status/984873666373500928

hz747300 · Wed May 09, 2018 2:57 am

anrec80 wrote:
hz747300 wrote:
Any chance they'll send the bird to HKG?

Not 10 - no range. Maybe 789.

Block off every other seat, make it comfortable. Kidding aside, I expect that we'll get the 789s when the 772s are replaced.

Okcflyer · Wed May 09, 2018 3:11 am

I suspect the decision is driven off hard product returns and optimization of cabin ratios to demand. Basing the -10’s at EWR deploys Polaris and PE in likely the most-needed market. These coupled with the renovated 772’s will help significantly. The 772’s are quite premium heavy whereas the -10s are more balanced and inline with most carriers and will allow UA to compete extremely competitively with foreign competition with Y class pax and maintain strong yield due to using the industry lowest CASM aircraft.

HKG might go 787-9 due to extreme performance requirements but I expect the other long hauls including TLV to be Polaris 772 ... with maybe a seasonal upgrade here and there to 77W’s.

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