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Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:00 pm

Lots of threads for other airports and have not seen one for CLT, so I thought I would create one.

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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:11 pm

PERFECT.....I have two questions

1. Does AA send the E190 to CLT? If so, which routes?
2. Any timetable on the obs area closing for the new runway?
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:31 pm

Not exactly CLT... but, any chance of a second airline starting service to Concord?
 
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:39 pm

mikejepp wrote:
Not exactly CLT... but, any chance of a second airline starting service to Concord?


It's always possible but I can't see why. Besides it not being convenient for a large portion of residents in the area, what other airline specializes in that type of service that Allegiant is going after?
 
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:41 pm

727LOVER wrote:
PERFECT.....I have two questions

1. Does AA send the E190 to CLT? If so, which routes?
2. Any timetable on the obs area closing for the new runway?


I hadn't realized the current observation area will need to close but according to the project list on the Destination CLT site, construction on the runway doesn't begin until 2020 so I would imagine sometime around then.

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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:51 pm

The piece about the terminal expansions that I find most interesting is that the next phase of expansion for concourse A adding 16 gates starts and finishes before the expansion of both B & C extentions. I would think AA would need the additional space before other carriers. Anyone have any insight on why that is? There's not a carrier I can think of that isn't here except maybe Alaska that would need this level of space. Unless they move DL over there and give AA the space in "old" A.
 
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:08 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
The piece about the terminal expansions that I find most interesting is that the next phase of expansion for concourse A adding 16 gates starts and finishes before the expansion of both B & C extentions. I would think AA would need the additional space before other carriers. Anyone have any insight on why that is? There's not a carrier I can think of that isn't here except maybe Alaska that would need this level of space. Unless they move DL over there and give AA the space in "old" A.


My gut says they move DL over to that extension and AA will take the rest of the old A. I'd bet AA cuts down on domestic flights out of D to allow for more international expansion.
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:34 pm

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1. Does AA send the E190 to CLT? If so, which routes?

They used to - it was a carryover from the US days, Saturday only to PHL. I took a quick look on AA.com, and don't see any listed for this weekend. I haven't been out spotting on a Saturday in a while, so I haven't seen them. I believe they used them since they weren't flying them on the BOS-LGA shuttle.
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:44 pm

IIRC the current plan is to get renovations done in the current A concourse ASAP. This should be fairly quick and easy as DL is now the sole occupant of the Concourse so foot traffic is minimal.

Once the renovations are finished by next Summer, AA will come in and occupy the gates not used by DL.

Work on the second phase of A North essentially kills two birds with one stone: it gives DL and OAL carriers the room to expand if warranted and it gives AA access to the entirety of Concourse A.

At this stage, A North will likely have been redisgnated as a separate Concourse. Phase 2 of this project also calls for a new terminal headhouse dedicated to the OAL carriers complete with baggage claim, security, and ticketing facilities.
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:22 pm

727LOVER wrote:
PERFECT.....I have two questions

1. Does AA send the E190 to CLT? If so, which routes?
2. Any timetable on the obs area closing for the new runway?


I haven’t noticed the E90s at CLT during the last few weeks.

With that, this past summer they were doing PHL-CLT-ATL. Ironically, I can’t find any on the schedule at this moment. Which is unusual because AA always rotates the E90 to CLT on Saturday’s. To places like LGA, ATL, PIT, BNA PHL etc etc.

Moving on, in regards to phase 2 of the expansion. I’m under the impression DL will get access to the next “leg” of A north. Which will give AA the entire 13 gate “old” A concourse. If I’m not mistaken, AA is picking up 4 gates by the end of the year and the other 3 gates next year.
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:30 pm

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TWFlyGuy wrote:
The piece about the terminal expansions that I find most interesting is that the next phase of expansion for concourse A adding 16 gates starts and finishes before the expansion of both B & C extentions. I would think AA would need the additional space before other carriers. Anyone have any insight on why that is? There's not a carrier I can think of that isn't here except maybe Alaska that would need this level of space. Unless they move DL over there and give AA the space in "old" A.


My gut says they move DL over to that extension and AA will take the rest of the old A. I'd bet AA cuts down on domestic flights out of D to allow for more international expansion.


That is the plan as the head of network planning did say their Int'l growth here is somewhat stymied by lack of gate space. The question then becomes where to?
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:44 pm

Does anyone have any details on when the C-17s fly?
 
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:00 pm

727LOVER wrote:
PERFECT.....I have two questions

1. Does AA send the E190 to CLT? If so, which routes?


Years ago, when the E190 was first introduced, I recall them serving intra-Southeast mainline routes ex-CLT, CLT-ILM/CHS are two that immediately come to mind. Wheras they served longer, thin routes ex-PHL (they flew PHL-Texas/MSY/DEN and PHL-MBJ/PLS in season) I believe they flew shorter-hops from CLT.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:12 pm

Just flew through CLT this past month a couple times, first time in over 2 years. Do they plan on putting mainline over on the gates they get in A or perhaps move the E75 ops that are currently at the beginning of C over there? I also heard they are adding a 2 level addition to one of the ends of E (the E30ish Gates) that will allow for parking of larger regional jet aircraft. Overall I’m amazed on how busy and how much traffic AA pushes through there reminded me of ATL a little with all the planes stacked up(I think i was like 16 in line for takeoff).
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:35 am

When I flew out of CLT on WN in June, they used Gate A6. Now, they've moved to A North, and have two gates.

What are the new gate assignments? I know American and Delta use old A now.
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:39 am

maps4ltd wrote:
When I flew out of CLT on WN in June, they used Gate A6. Now, they've moved to A North, and have two gates.

What are the new gate assignments? I know American and Delta use old A now.


United has A21, 23, 25, 27
Frontier/Air Canada share A28
Southwest has A26, 24
Jetblue has A22

DL has shifted their operations to A4, 6, 8, 10, 12. Gates A1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 are getting the renovation treatment that the B gates have been getting. After 6 months, DL will switch to the odd gates and the even gates will be renovated. AA won't take over any A gates until renovation is complete in about a year.

Via Air still has A2
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:31 am

TWFlyGuy wrote:
The piece about the terminal expansions that I find most interesting is that the next phase of expansion for concourse A adding 16 gates starts and finishes before the expansion of both B & C extentions. I would think AA would need the additional space before other carriers. Anyone have any insight on why that is? There's not a carrier I can think of that isn't here except maybe Alaska that would need this level of space. Unless they move DL over there and give AA the space in "old" A.


Do the B and C extensions require closure of the crosswind?
 
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:37 am

Never mind adding gates, the ground delays are among the worst I have seen in years. 15-30 minutes to reach the gate after landing is common place. Today on a flight from SRQ, after taxiing we stopped several times around terminals C and D and it took about 25-30 minutes to reach the E terminal. The ground operation has been ignored while adding new runways and long lines of arriving and departing aircraft are sitting still, perhaps CLT has reached its limit as to the number of flights it can handle daily.Trying to put two pounds of liver in a one pound bag.
 
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:52 am

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Never mind adding gates, the ground delays are among the worst I have seen in years. 15-30 minutes to reach the gate after landing is common place. Today on a flight from SRQ, after taxiing we stopped several times around terminals C and D and it took about 25-30 minutes to reach the E terminal. The ground operation has been ignored while adding new runways and long lines of arriving and departing aircraft are sitting still, perhaps CLT has reached its limit as to the number of flights it can handle daily.Trying to put two pounds of liver in a one pound bag.


Was CLT ever depeaked like ATL, DFW, or IAH?
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:00 am

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Do the B and C extensions require closure of the crosswind?

Yes. The master plan calls for the crosswind to be decommissioned in the future.
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:02 am

USAirALB wrote:
jetero wrote:

Do the B and C extensions require closure of the crosswind?

Yes. The master plan calls for the crosswind to be decommissioned in the future.


And that’s required for the B and C extensions to be built?
 
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:37 am

Finally a dedicated thread for CLT!

Would anyone happen to know the current status of the proposed 12000 ft parallel runway?

Also, are there any new airline suggestions for CLT? Hopefully with all of the planned expansion, we can potentially see some new tails at CLT.
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:15 am

Havent Flew to CLT for a while, last time was a TATL with US Airways on a A332.

Are they still doing this seasonnal service since the merger? I remember years after years they were moving the first Seasonnal TATL flight closer to the summer period. (From March to mid April).

Would TATL service make sense from CLT?
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:06 am

How about NK CLT-ORD, MCO, FLL, LAS, LAX!???
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:14 pm

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How about NK CLT-ORD, MCO, FLL, LAS, LAX!???


CLT is located in the only major metropolitan area in the contiguous U.S. that doesn't have nonstop service to LAS on WN or a ULCC, and it is unusual for a market such as CLT to not have nonstop service to LAS on WN or a ULCC. There is room for F9 or WN to add CLT-LAS nonstop service, and I also agree that NK could add CLT-LAS nonstop service if NK enters the CLT market.

If NK starts service out of CLT, NK could also possibly add nonstop service to BWI, DFW, DTW, and TPA out of CLT.
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:19 pm

jplatts wrote:
A320NK wrote:
How about NK CLT-ORD, MCO, FLL, LAS, LAX!???


CLT is located in the only major metropolitan area in the contiguous U.S. that doesn't have nonstop service to LAS on WN or a ULCC, and it is unusual for a market such as CLT to not have nonstop service to LAS on WN or a ULCC. There is room for F9 or WN to add CLT-LAS nonstop service, and I also agree that NK could add CLT-LAS nonstop service if NK enters the CLT market.

If NK starts service out of CLT, NK could also possibly add nonstop service to BWI, DFW, DTW, and TPA out of CLT.


F9 just cut 2 routes, so they have space to grow. NK seems unlikely for atleast the next 2 years.
 
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:47 pm

jetero wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
jetero wrote:

Do the B and C extensions require closure of the crosswind?

Yes. The master plan calls for the crosswind to be decommissioned in the future.


And that’s required for the B and C extensions to be built?

I'm not sure if its required specifically for the B/C extensions to be built, but it is required for the hammerhead satellite concourse to be built.
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Havent Flew to CLT for a while, last time was a TATL with US Airways on a A332.Are they still doing this seasonnal service since the merger? I remember years after years they were moving the first Seasonnal TATL flight closer to the summer period. (From March to mid April).Would TATL service make sense from CLT?

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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:20 pm

jplatts wrote:
A320NK wrote:
How about NK CLT-ORD, MCO, FLL, LAS, LAX!???


CLT is located in the only major metropolitan area in the contiguous U.S. that doesn't have nonstop service to LAS on WN or a ULCC, and it is unusual for a market such as CLT to not have nonstop service to LAS on WN or a ULCC. There is room for F9 or WN to add CLT-LAS nonstop service, and I also agree that NK could add CLT-LAS nonstop service if NK enters the CLT market.

If NK starts service out of CLT, NK could also possibly add nonstop service to BWI, DFW, DTW, and TPA out of CLT.


WN couldn't really make Florida work out of here much either. Maybe it's a gate space issue and the additional gates in A, when build will allow for more but not sure.
 
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:09 pm

cheapgreek wrote:
Never mind adding gates, the ground delays are among the worst I have seen in years. 15-30 minutes to reach the gate after landing is common place. Today on a flight from SRQ, after taxiing we stopped several times around terminals C and D and it took about 25-30 minutes to reach the E terminal.


Not that long ago, I spent more time on the aircraft taxiing from the runway to E than I did in the air from ILM to CLT.
 
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:37 pm

mikejepp wrote:
Does anyone have any details on when the C-17s fly?

Probably someone in the Guard scheduling shop, but they don't really have a set schedule for operations.
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:39 pm

To be honest, I'm actually quite surprised that F9 has been able to make Florida work from CLT.

FL tried on multiple occasions to make MCO work. They would start it, discontinue it, make it seasonal, then discontinue it again. WN launched CLT-MCO when they first started but then discontinued it. B6 also flew CLT-FLL for a short time and then axed it.


AA is simply too strong in the CLT market, plus CLT-MCO isn't really that bad of a drive. By the time a family with kids leaves their house for the airport, parks their car, flies to MCO, and gets their rental car, they can probably already be halfway to MCO.
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:52 pm

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To be honest, I'm actually quite surprised that F9 has been able to make Florida work from CLT.

FL tried on multiple occasions to make MCO work. They would start it, discontinue it, make it seasonal, then discontinue it again. WN launched CLT-MCO when they first started but then discontinued it. B6 also flew CLT-FLL for a short time and then axed it.


AA is simply too strong in the CLT market, plus CLT-MCO isn't really that bad of a drive. By the time a family with kids leaves their house for the airport, parks their car, flies to MCO, and gets their rental car, they can probably already be halfway to MCO.


Not to mention G4 eating into the market with flights from USA.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:35 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
To be honest, I'm actually quite surprised that F9 has been able to make Florida work from CLT.

FL tried on multiple occasions to make MCO work. They would start it, discontinue it, make it seasonal, then discontinue it again. WN launched CLT-MCO when they first started but then discontinued it. B6 also flew CLT-FLL for a short time and then axed it.


AA is simply too strong in the CLT market, plus CLT-MCO isn't really that bad of a drive. By the time a family with kids leaves their house for the airport, parks their car, flies to MCO, and gets their rental car, they can probably already be halfway to MCO.


Not to mention G4 eating into the market with flights from USA.


Good points. It's about 8 hours to drive to Disney from Charlotte. With some of the highest fares in the country, I generally don't see anything much below $300. A family of 4 would pay $1,200 to save maybe 1-2 hours each direction. G4 with ultra cheap fares probably makes some sense from North Charlotte or even Greensboro area where the time saves would be greater.
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:38 pm

USAirALB wrote:
To be honest, I'm actually quite surprised that F9 has been able to make Florida work from CLT.

FL tried on multiple occasions to make MCO work. They would start it, discontinue it, make it seasonal, then discontinue it again. WN launched CLT-MCO when they first started but then discontinued it. B6 also flew CLT-FLL for a short time and then axed it.


AA is simply too strong in the CLT market, plus CLT-MCO isn't really that bad of a drive. By the time a family with kids leaves their house for the airport, parks their car, flies to MCO, and gets their rental car, they can probably already be halfway to MCO.


Not to sound argumentative, but F9 success on CLT-MCO doesnt surprise me. They serve a different market in CLT as you know. F9 seems to be doing well considering it’s going back to daily this winter and on an A321 for the first time in that season. Seems encouraging. To be fair on the drive to MCO, the traffic on 77/26/95 can be brutal and can quickly turn into a 10 hour drive.... maybe I was just unlucky lol!

I wouldn’t count JetBlue out on the CLT-FLL route again. People seem to forget how small of an operation B6 had in FLL when this route first started in 2008. There wasn’t a whole lot of connectivity in FLL as compared to B6 FLL ops today. Of course the pressure of US didn’t make things any easier. Really wouldn’t be shocked to see B6 link CLT to FLL in the next few years. That’s just my opinion on that subject.
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:12 pm

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USAirALB wrote:
To be honest, I'm actually quite surprised that F9 has been able to make Florida work from CLT.

FL tried on multiple occasions to make MCO work. They would start it, discontinue it, make it seasonal, then discontinue it again. WN launched CLT-MCO when they first started but then discontinued it. B6 also flew CLT-FLL for a short time and then axed it.


AA is simply too strong in the CLT market, plus CLT-MCO isn't really that bad of a drive. By the time a family with kids leaves their house for the airport, parks their car, flies to MCO, and gets their rental car, they can probably already be halfway to MCO.


Not to sound argumentative, but F9 success on CLT-MCO doesnt surprise me. They serve a different market in CLT as you know. F9 seems to be doing well considering it’s going back to daily this winter and on an A321 for the first time in that season. Seems encouraging. To be fair on the drive to MCO, the traffic on 77/26/95 can be brutal and can quickly turn into a 10 hour drive.... maybe I was just unlucky lol!

I wouldn’t count JetBlue out on the CLT-FLL route again. People seem to forget how small of an operation B6 had in FLL when this route first started in 2008. There wasn’t a whole lot of connectivity in FLL as compared to B6 FLL ops today. Of course the pressure of US didn’t make things any easier. Really wouldn’t be shocked to see B6 link CLT to FLL in the next few years. That’s just my opinion on that subject.


All good point. And no, it's not just you being unlucky. Two of my coworkers who drove this year were both in accidents on 95 going to see Mickey. It will be interesting to see if any of these carriers (WN/B6/F9) add with the new gates coming online. To not see WN serve at least LAS, which they're typically like Oprah with...you get a Vegas flight and you get a Vegas flight, is surprising.

It will be interesting to see if they work on getting Level to come as D opens some and serve the Winter months when a lot of the Euro flying gets cut. Other than that, I'm not sure what other Int'l flying would make sense.
 
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Re: CLT Update Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:06 pm

USAirALB wrote:
jetero wrote:

Do the B and C extensions require closure of the crosswind?

Yes. The master plan calls for the crosswind to be decommissioned in the future.


Crazy that they're planning on just extending B and C when walk times from one end of one to the other are already quite long and the current concourses are very narrow for the amount of traffic / lack moving walkways. Is this really a practical solution?

I know some proposals showed the demolition of both B and C and the construction of a new, modern, mid-field concourse. Seems like that would be much more ideal for space, speed of connections, taxiway flow, etc.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:51 pm

mikejepp wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
jetero wrote:

Do the B and C extensions require closure of the crosswind?

Yes. The master plan calls for the crosswind to be decommissioned in the future.


Crazy that they're planning on just extending B and C when walk times from one end of one to the other are already quite long and the current concourses are very narrow for the amount of traffic / lack moving walkways. Is this really a practical solution?

I know some proposals showed the demolition of both B and C and the construction of a new, modern, mid-field concourse. Seems like that would be much more ideal for space, speed of connections, taxiway flow, etc.


There are terminal renovations planned to widen the concourses. Google Destination CLT and you can navigate to their page covering all the projects. It's pretty cool. Even has a neat video showing the construction process. I think the driver behind just extending the terminals is cost. CLT is by far the lowest cost hub and the way for them to remain a hub is to be the lowest cost (only SLC has a smaller population with a hub). My guess is that when they looked at the cost of an all new pretty terminal, they couldn't get buy in from the airlines. This gets them to approximately the same number of gates ATL has today I believe which should leave a lot of room for growth as there's a lot of opportunity to upgauge on a lot of CLT flights.
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:17 pm

I wonder if a taxiway can be built to access terminal E without having to go past terminals A, B, C,and D. That has been a bottleneck for a long time that causes such a long wait for aircraft going to terminal E. Reminds me of an area I lived in that was adding new housing subdivisions on both sides of the road and yet not giving attention to widening the road to deal with the much increased car traffic. CLT just seems to interested in adding gates without giving attention to ground operations. Ground ops cannot handle the present traffic, never mind adding more flights.
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:46 pm

cheapgreek wrote:
I wonder if a taxiway can be built to access terminal E without having to go past terminals A, B, C,and D. That has been a bottleneck for a long time that causes such a long wait for aircraft going to terminal E. Reminds me of an area I lived in that was adding new housing subdivisions on both sides of the road and yet not giving attention to widening the road to deal with the much increased car traffic. CLT just seems to interested in adding gates without giving attention to ground operations. Ground ops cannot handle the present traffic, never mind adding more flights.


If they shutdown the crosswind runway, couldn't they replace that with a new taxiway?
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:42 pm

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cheapgreek wrote:
I wonder if a taxiway can be built to access terminal E without having to go past terminals A, B, C,and D. That has been a bottleneck for a long time that causes such a long wait for aircraft going to terminal E. Reminds me of an area I lived in that was adding new housing subdivisions on both sides of the road and yet not giving attention to widening the road to deal with the much increased car traffic. CLT just seems to interested in adding gates without giving attention to ground operations. Ground ops cannot handle the present traffic, never mind adding more flights.


If they shutdown the crosswind runway, couldn't they replace that with a new taxiway?


There will likely be room to add taxiways but the plan they share online doesn't necessarily show it..

It will be interesting to see what they put on A concourse gates. I think it would be interesting to see if they make it exclusive for high business routes. I'm thinking similar to a thing TWA did in STL where they had branded gates close to security that they dedicated to high yield business routes.
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:17 pm

https://www.landrum-brown.com/wp-conten ... irport.jpg

Hopefully the link above works. The ultimate goal from this long term master plan is demolishing E con and creating an express midfield terminal. 5/23 would be demolished, as its currently not in use anyways. That alone will create a better flow for flights coming in and out. As mentioned above, B/C would be extended to give AA more gates. You will see A north will have 3 “legs” once it’s all said and done. Most importantly, with the demolishment of the E concourse, it will allow CLT to expand the councourse D to the north to allow actual wide body gates. Which is something CLT is really lacking. Gates D11 and D12 are technically the only wide body gates. Every other A330 that parks takes up 2 gates. Imo that’s one of the most important things to add. Given AA has given indication of expanding CLT international network more.
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:07 pm

JetBlueCLT wrote:
https://www.landrum-brown.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/S-APS-Charlotte-Douglas-International-Airport.jpg

Hopefully the link above works. The ultimate goal from this long term master plan is demolishing E con and creating an express midfield terminal. 5/23 would be demolished, as its currently not in use anyways. That alone will create a better flow for flights coming in and out. As mentioned above, B/C would be extended to give AA more gates. You will see A north will have 3 “legs” once it’s all said and done. Most importantly, with the demolishment of the E concourse, it will allow CLT to expand the councourse D to the north to allow actual wide body gates. Which is something CLT is really lacking. Gates D11 and D12 are technically the only wide body gates. Every other A330 that parks takes up 2 gates. Imo that’s one of the most important things to add. Given AA has given indication of expanding CLT international network more.


This is an interesting plan. Everything except the 5th runway to the East and the midfield terminal are already part of their current plan which will be complete in 2026. So those two pieces are a while off. Making the midfield exclusive to express operations would be an interesting bet to make. I would thin you build more on the east side similar to what they did with A.

I thought 5/23 was used for noise abatement during certain times of the day (late night)?
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:15 pm

JetBlueCLT wrote:
https://www.landrum-brown.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/S-APS-Charlotte-Douglas-International-Airport.jpg

Hopefully the link above works. The ultimate goal from this long term master plan is demolishing E con and creating an express midfield terminal. 5/23 would be demolished, as its currently not in use anyways. That alone will create a better flow for flights coming in and out. As mentioned above, B/C would be extended to give AA more gates. You will see A north will have 3 “legs” once it’s all said and done. Most importantly, with the demolishment of the E concourse, it will allow CLT to expand the councourse D to the north to allow actual wide body gates. Which is something CLT is really lacking. Gates D11 and D12 are technically the only wide body gates. Every other A330 that parks takes up 2 gates. Imo that’s one of the most important things to add. Given AA has given indication of expanding CLT international network more.


It looks like the ends of both A and D are also being removed to allow double taxiways on the ramp. Interesting. That'll be a hit on available gates.
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:35 pm

JetBlueCLT wrote:
https://www.landrum-brown.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/S-APS-Charlotte-Douglas-International-Airport.jpg

Hopefully the link above works. The ultimate goal from this long term master plan is demolishing E con and creating an express midfield terminal. 5/23 would be demolished, as its currently not in use anyways. That alone will create a better flow for flights coming in and out. As mentioned above, B/C would be extended to give AA more gates. You will see A north will have 3 “legs” once it’s all said and done. Most importantly, with the demolishment of the E concourse, it will allow CLT to expand the councourse D to the north to allow actual wide body gates. Which is something CLT is really lacking. Gates D11 and D12 are technically the only wide body gates. Every other A330 that parks takes up 2 gates. Imo that’s one of the most important things to add. Given AA has given indication of expanding CLT international network more.

I worked D-Con for years you can park a widebody on 1,2,3,4 with no issues
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:13 am

Boof02671 wrote:
JetBlueCLT wrote:
https://www.landrum-brown.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/S-APS-Charlotte-Douglas-International-Airport.jpg

Hopefully the link above works. The ultimate goal from this long term master plan is demolishing E con and creating an express midfield terminal. 5/23 would be demolished, as its currently not in use anyways. That alone will create a better flow for flights coming in and out. As mentioned above, B/C would be extended to give AA more gates. You will see A north will have 3 “legs” once it’s all said and done. Most importantly, with the demolishment of the E concourse, it will allow CLT to expand the councourse D to the north to allow actual wide body gates. Which is something CLT is really lacking. Gates D11 and D12 are technically the only wide body gates. Every other A330 that parks takes up 2 gates. Imo that’s one of the most important things to add. Given AA has given indication of expanding CLT international network more.

I worked D-Con for years you can park a widebody on 1,2,3,4 with no issues


Sorry, let me clarify here, I meant that D11/D12 are the only gates that don’t take up 2 spaces when an A330 docks up.

I’d love to see them park a 330 on D1 and push a A319 out of C2. Pretty tight space.
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:24 am

TWFlyGuy wrote:

This is an interesting plan. Everything except the 5th runway to the East and the midfield terminal are already part of their current plan which will be complete in 2026. So those two pieces are a while off. Making the midfield exclusive to express operations would be an interesting bet to make. I would thin you build more on the east side similar to what they did with A.

I thought 5/23 was used for noise abatement during certain times of the day (late night)?


Indeed!

Yes! It normally is, although it’s been out of service since early this year I believe.... if I remember correctly lol.
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:36 am

I use to push a 767 off of D1 with a 767 on C4 or C6.

And a 330 off of D1 also
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:25 pm

So...I've heard AA Network Planning VP say they want to grow int'l and it was mentioned in this thread but curious. What else do people think could be added? I struggle to think of adds to be honest. The Caribbean and Mexico are pretty well covered. It's a city of ~2.5 million, albeit growing fast, but still limited to add much more Europe service. I don't see a need for Latin service, especially on AA given MIA just south of here. Any thoughts on what adds would be good...on AA or others. Just curious on thoughts.
 
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:03 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
So...I've heard AA Network Planning VP say they want to grow int'l and it was mentioned in this thread but curious. What else do people think could be added? I struggle to think of adds to be honest. The Caribbean and Mexico are pretty well covered. It's a city of ~2.5 million, albeit growing fast, but still limited to add much more Europe service. I don't see a need for Latin service, especially on AA given MIA just south of here. Any thoughts on what adds would be good...on AA or others. Just curious on thoughts.

Perhaps AA could do a seasonal CLT-AMS. I think it's a big hole in CLT's TATL route map.

Also, I could probably see CLT-CDG being converted to year round service someday, especially if AA is planning to grow their network in CLT.
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Re: Charlotte Discussion Thread - 2018

Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:07 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
So...I've heard AA Network Planning VP say they want to grow int'l and it was mentioned in this thread but curious. What else do people think could be added? I struggle to think of adds to be honest. The Caribbean and Mexico are pretty well covered. It's a city of ~2.5 million, albeit growing fast, but still limited to add much more Europe service. I don't see a need for Latin service, especially on AA given MIA just south of here. Any thoughts on what adds would be good...on AA or others. Just curious on thoughts.


AA could add CLT-HNL nonstop service since AA is currently the only US3 carrier that doesn't have nonstop service to Hawaii from an East Coast hub. UA already serves HNL nonstop from its EWR and IAD hubs, and DL already serves its HNL nonstop from its ATL hub (along with seasonal nonstop service to HNL from JFK).

AA also has hubs at JFK, LGA, PHL, DCA, and MIA on the East Coast, but LGA and DCA have perimeter restrictions and MIA is too far east and too far south for connections to the contiguous U.S. from Hawaii.

The only other East Coast hubs that AA could possibly serve nonstop from HNL are JFK and PHL, but AA is less likely to serve JFK nonstop from HNL than PHL or CLT.

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