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UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:59 pm

If I remember correctly the daily seasonal DEN-LHR from UA is scheduled to end in or at the end of October. Is this still the case or has this performed well enough to consider keeping this service going? Seems like passenger loads have been reasonably good, but not consistent amounts of freight. Any thoughts?
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:10 pm

It is still seasonal but has been filed to return next year.

I'm sure someone else can do the math quickly, but I believe UA has always had one LHR slot that has been seasonal. It was used to increase summer frequency on EWR in the past. There just aren't enough slots to justify using one on DEN-LHR in the winter.
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:47 pm

intotheair wrote:
It is still seasonal but has been filed to return next year.

I'm sure someone else can do the math quickly, but I believe UA has always had one LHR slot that has been seasonal. It was used to increase summer frequency on EWR in the past. There just aren't enough slots to justify using one on DEN-LHR in the winter.


That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:36 pm

What kind of aircraft is used ?
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:50 pm

Max Q wrote:
What kind of aircraft is used ?


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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:53 pm

Max Q wrote:
What kind of aircraft is used ?

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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:59 pm

xjetflyer2001 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
It is still seasonal but has been filed to return next year.

I'm sure someone else can do the math quickly, but I believe UA has always had one LHR slot that has been seasonal. It was used to increase summer frequency on EWR in the past. There just aren't enough slots to justify using one on DEN-LHR in the winter.


That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.


I took it back in June. Was pretty full, and was one of the worst flights I'd ever been on due to a Customer of Size sitting on me the entire flight. Nowhere to move him though.
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:00 pm

xjetflyer2001 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
It is still seasonal but has been filed to return next year.

I'm sure someone else can do the math quickly, but I believe UA has always had one LHR slot that has been seasonal. It was used to increase summer frequency on EWR in the past. There just aren't enough slots to justify using one on DEN-LHR in the winter.


That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.


It's unfortunate this is the case as year round LHR service would be great for Denver, but with airports becoming more and more slot constrained, airlines have to reach for the lowest hanging fruit.
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:22 pm

SonaSounds wrote:
xjetflyer2001 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
It is still seasonal but has been filed to return next year.

I'm sure someone else can do the math quickly, but I believe UA has always had one LHR slot that has been seasonal. It was used to increase summer frequency on EWR in the past. There just aren't enough slots to justify using one on DEN-LHR in the winter.


That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.


It's unfortunate this is the case as year round LHR service would be great for Denver, but with airports becoming more and more slot constrained, airlines have to reach for the lowest hanging fruit.


DEN already has year round daily BA 747-400. As long as you are not a diehard UA frequent flyer you can just use BA if you want a nonstop flight to LHR.
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:35 pm

B747forever wrote:
SonaSounds wrote:
xjetflyer2001 wrote:

That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.


It's unfortunate this is the case as year round LHR service would be great for Denver, but with airports becoming more and more slot constrained, airlines have to reach for the lowest hanging fruit.


DEN already has year round daily BA 747-400. As long as you are not a diehard UA frequent flyer you can just use BA if you want a nonstop flight to LHR.


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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:39 pm

B747forever wrote:
SonaSounds wrote:
xjetflyer2001 wrote:

That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.


It's unfortunate this is the case as year round LHR service would be great for Denver, but with airports becoming more and more slot constrained, airlines have to reach for the lowest hanging fruit.


DEN already has year round daily BA 747-400. As long as you are not a diehard UA frequent flyer you can just use BA if you want a nonstop flight to LHR.


BA has been flying to Denver for 20 years now, and it has done very well. Norwegian also has 3x weekly service to LGW year-round, so there is that too. Add the seasonal coverage on UA and Denver has a good amount of service to London, with some days having three flights. For a city of Denver's size, this is pretty good. It's now been almost one season of United flying DEN-LHR, and it is encouraging to see it come back next summer. Perhaps at some point they will have another slot for winter and it will become year-round, it may just take some time first.
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:55 pm

Quite a bit of advertising around DEN Concourse B for this flight. IIRC, an entire gate area is plastered with stickers promoting this service. Glad to see it's working out!
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:07 pm

I flew this flight in late July. Now I've done all three carriers' services DEN-London: BA DEN-LHR, DY DEN-LGW (incidentally on its inaugural flight), and most recently, UA DEN-LHR. I love being able to go nonstop to London from here in Denver when I need to (at least once a year, this year will be twice in a year, with my upcoming BA trip next month).

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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:28 pm

xjetflyer2001 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
It is still seasonal but has been filed to return next year.

I'm sure someone else can do the math quickly, but I believe UA has always had one LHR slot that has been seasonal. It was used to increase summer frequency on EWR in the past. There just aren't enough slots to justify using one on DEN-LHR in the winter.


That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.


I wonder if EWR-LHR really needs it back for the winter or it is just a less expensive route on which to slot sit for the low-demand winter season than DEN-LHR. My guess is EWR-LHR doesn’t need that extra capacity back in the winter. EWR will have a better chance at some load and it is a less expensive trip to operate given that it is a much shorter stage length. If dormancy on that 17th slot wouldn’t result in losing it, my guess is they wouldn’t operate it at all during the winter
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:37 pm

Maybe with the new 787-10s coming later this year that they will trade 2 757-200 flights for 1 787 (almost the same number of seats) and use the freed up slot for year round Denver during winter 2019. . .
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:55 pm

jhsusman wrote:
Maybe with the new 787-10s coming later this year that they will trade 2 757-200 flights for 1 787 (almost the same number of seats) and use the freed up slot for year round Denver during winter 2019. . .


The thing with NYC-LHR is that frequency is more important than capacity. If it really was a question of capacity UA could combine all their EWR-LHR flights to 2-3x daily 77W and be done with it.
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:04 pm

Spacepope wrote:
xjetflyer2001 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
It is still seasonal but has been filed to return next year.

I'm sure someone else can do the math quickly, but I believe UA has always had one LHR slot that has been seasonal. It was used to increase summer frequency on EWR in the past. There just aren't enough slots to justify using one on DEN-LHR in the winter.


That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.


I took it back in June. Was pretty full, and was one of the worst flights I'd ever been on due to a Customer of Size sitting on me the entire flight. Nowhere to move him though.


And with 9-abreast! Yuck!

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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:52 pm

DEN is geographically a great hub plus a large O/D city, I bet the reason this wouldn't come back would be regarding aircraft availability.

WorldFlier wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
xjetflyer2001 wrote:

That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.


I took it back in June. Was pretty full, and was one of the worst flights I'd ever been on due to a Customer of Size sitting on me the entire flight. Nowhere to move him though.


And with 9-abreast! Yuck!

United's Premium Economy can't come quickly enough....


PY is not an improvement in Y, distinct different class (more expensive), not sure it is comparable.
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:58 pm

airzona11 wrote:
DEN is geographically a great hub plus a large O/D city, I bet the reason this wouldn't come back would be regarding aircraft availability.

WorldFlier wrote:
Spacepope wrote:

I took it back in June. Was pretty full, and was one of the worst flights I'd ever been on due to a Customer of Size sitting on me the entire flight. Nowhere to move him though.


And with 9-abreast! Yuck!

United's Premium Economy can't come quickly enough....


PY is not an improvement in Y, distinct different class (more expensive), not sure it is comparable.


PY is most definitely an improvement in Y in the sense that there was nothing between Y and J except for some extra leg room which was priced ridiculously...

Now for those of us who would pay some (but not 4x) more compare to Y, there will be an option. I won't fly 10-abreast Y in a 777 and I won't fly in a 787 in Y. Fortunately, there are 100 ways to get anywhere from Newark internationally soooo...
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:42 pm

xjetflyer2001 wrote:
That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.


So are 2 of UA's LHR slots seasonal? UA goes from 5x daily to 4x daily during the winter from EWR, if the DEN slot is needed back in EWR that would mean 2 of the slots we use during the remainder of the year are seasonal.
What would UA need to do to convert either one or both of these slots to year around slots?
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:20 am

I would like to see DEN-LHR go year round for UA. That extra seasonal EWR flight is not needed. Light loads are common during the winter.

Rumors here said that UA was actually considering a second European destination but there has been radio silence on that very recently.
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:58 am

jayunited wrote:
xjetflyer2001 wrote:
That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.


So are 2 of UA's LHR slots seasonal? UA goes from 5x daily to 4x daily during the winter from EWR, if the DEN slot is needed back in EWR that would mean 2 of the slots we use during the remainder of the year are seasonal.
What would UA need to do to convert either one or both of these slots to year around slots?


N649DL wrote:
I would like to see DEN-LHR go year round for UA. That extra seasonal EWR flight is not needed. Light loads are common during the winter.

Rumors here said that UA was actually considering a second European destination but there has been radio silence on that very recently.


There's no "extra" EWR service over the winter; it's 5x year-round. EWR-LHR is 4x on certain days during the slowest periods of winter, but it still occupies a slot pair. If it were used less, UA could risk loss of the slot due to anti-squatting measures.

UA has 16 winter slot pairs and 17 pairs in the summer, with DEN making up the difference. The rest of UA's LHR service is the same in the winter as it is in the summer.
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:25 am

I believe the demand is there for year round UA DEN-LHR, even if its not daily to begin with.

I also believe there is demand for year round CDG and/or AMS on either UA or AF/KL. I wonder when DEN will see that?
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:02 pm

I would assume Denver is a good winter destination if you have to slot squat. There are a lot of people who like to ski in Colorado. Fares, hotel prices, rental car costs all skyrocket in the winter months. In the summer, it tends to be pretty reasonable. It kind of reminds me of all those BA widebodies you see crossing the Atlantic every day on their way to various Caribbean destinations.
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:07 pm

codc10 wrote:
There's no "extra" EWR service over the winter; it's 5x year-round. EWR-LHR is 4x on certain days during the slowest periods of winter, but it still occupies a slot pair. If it were used less, UA could risk loss of the slot due to anti-squatting measures.

UA has 16 winter slot pairs and 17 pairs in the summer, with DEN making up the difference. The rest of UA's LHR service is the same in the winter as it is in the summer.


Is that slot strictly seasonal, or is it a year round slot that UA subleases to someone else in the winter?
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:07 pm

intotheair wrote:
codc10 wrote:
There's no "extra" EWR service over the winter; it's 5x year-round. EWR-LHR is 4x on certain days during the slowest periods of winter, but it still occupies a slot pair. If it were used less, UA could risk loss of the slot due to anti-squatting measures.

UA has 16 winter slot pairs and 17 pairs in the summer, with DEN making up the difference. The rest of UA's LHR service is the same in the winter as it is in the summer.


Is that slot strictly seasonal, or is it a year round slot that UA subleases to someone else in the winter?


Slots are allocated by season, summer or winter. United owns/uses 17 slot pairs in the summer and 16 in the winter. I'm not sure who owns the 'equivalent' slot in the winter but it's not something that UA subleases or allocates to another carrier.
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:07 am

codc10 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
xjetflyer2001 wrote:
That's exactly what it boils down too is the slot availability, I work this flight almost everyday out of DEN and it is consistently full or near full, so seems to be performing well, however due to the fact that EWR needs it back for the winter and slot availability in LHR it will stay seasonal for now.


So are 2 of UA's LHR slots seasonal? UA goes from 5x daily to 4x daily during the winter from EWR, if the DEN slot is needed back in EWR that would mean 2 of the slots we use during the remainder of the year are seasonal.
What would UA need to do to convert either one or both of these slots to year around slots?


N649DL wrote:
I would like to see DEN-LHR go year round for UA. That extra seasonal EWR flight is not needed. Light loads are common during the winter.

Rumors here said that UA was actually considering a second European destination but there has been radio silence on that very recently.


There's no "extra" EWR service over the winter; it's 5x year-round. EWR-LHR is 4x on certain days during the slowest periods of winter, but it still occupies a slot pair. If it were used less, UA could risk loss of the slot due to anti-squatting measures.

UA has 16 winter slot pairs and 17 pairs in the summer, with DEN making up the difference. The rest of UA's LHR service is the same in the winter as it is in the summer.


Still confused. Do they get an extra slot seasonally and that's where DEN-LHR comes in?

Either way, I agree that DEN-LHR would be pretty popular in the winter for ski season. Even though I used to live in Denver and we got our fair share of 80 degree days in February and March.
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:06 am

N649DL wrote:

Still confused. Do they get an extra slot seasonally and that's where DEN-LHR comes in?



Yes....UA has 16 year round slots and 1 summer only slot. If UA wants to make DEN year round they would need to purchase (be allocated) another slot with winter access or move one of their year round slots to DEN.
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:40 am

United1 wrote:
N649DL wrote:

Still confused. Do they get an extra slot seasonally and that's where DEN-LHR comes in?



Yes....UA has 16 year round slots and 1 summer only slot. If UA wants to make DEN year round they would need to purchase (be allocated) another slot with winter access or move one of their year round slots to DEN.


Gotcha. Well, EWR-LHR has a ton of capacity on it as is. Wouldn't shock me to take one of the frequencies and allocate for DEN-LHR. They can take the 757 off the route and use it someplace else.
 
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:54 am

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United1 wrote:
N649DL wrote:

Still confused. Do they get an extra slot seasonally and that's where DEN-LHR comes in?



Yes....UA has 16 year round slots and 1 summer only slot. If UA wants to make DEN year round they would need to purchase (be allocated) another slot with winter access or move one of their year round slots to DEN.


Gotcha. Well, EWR-LHR has a ton of capacity on it as is. Wouldn't shock me to take one of the frequencies and allocate for DEN-LHR. They can take the 757 off the route and use it someplace else.


EWR to LHR will not be cut in favor of DEN. 5 daily flights are really the minimum UA needs to stay competitive in that market. While all of us want DEN to LHR to succeed I think we need to give the route a year or two to mature. If it does UA will probably go slot shopping...
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:58 am

N649DL wrote:
I would like to see DEN-LHR go year round for UA. That extra seasonal EWR flight is not needed. Light loads are common during the winter.

Rumors here said that UA was actually considering a second European destination but there has been radio silence on that very recently.


DEN-LHR is already filed for next year with 787-8. Another 787-8 will be based for another Atlantic Denver route starting next June too. I don't know what the destination is though.
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Re: UA DEN-LHR

Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:31 am

N649DL wrote:
United1 wrote:
N649DL wrote:

Still confused. Do they get an extra slot seasonally and that's where DEN-LHR comes in?



Yes....UA has 16 year round slots and 1 summer only slot. If UA wants to make DEN year round they would need to purchase (be allocated) another slot with winter access or move one of their year round slots to DEN.


Gotcha. Well, EWR-LHR has a ton of capacity on it as is. Wouldn't shock me to take one of the frequencies and allocate for DEN-LHR. They can take the 757 off the route and use it someplace else.


757s are gone from EWR-LHR on a regular basis, with random frequencies during the low season. The only consistent, year-round 757 flight is the AM IAD-LHR with RON to the early LHR-IAD.

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