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AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:21 pm

AA is really taking the top spot at EYW lately. They added DFW-EYW this year which will resume this winter and now they are starting PHL/ORD-EYW this February. Service will be Saturday only, and it seems ORD-EYW will at least end on September 5, 2019:

http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/nor ... ago-ohare/

No announcement regarding PHL, but both flights are bookable starting February 16, 2019.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:14 pm

Is the PHL-EWY a rumor or is it suppose to be announced soon?
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:21 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Is the PHL-EWY a rumor or is it suppose to be announced soon?


I assume it’s suppose to be announced soon since it is bookable and shown on Wikipedia( I know not most reliable)
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:26 pm

That recent EYW runway extension/improvement didn't sound like much, but it really seems to be making a difference! I wouldn't be surprised to see AA give LGA-EYW a try as well, though EYW's other leading major carrier DL might now see reason to resume that service...
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:30 pm

Would one be correct in assuming EMB-175 service from both? ORD is mentioned, but if PHL is happening, will that be with E75 equipment also?
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:36 pm

EMB170 wrote:
Would one be correct in assuming EMB-175 service from both? ORD is mentioned, but if PHL is happening, will that be with E75 equipment also?


Yes, both the E75. PHL is bookable on AA.com already, so it's definitely happening.

SurfandSnow wrote:
That recent EYW runway extension/improvement didn't sound like much, but it really seems to be making a difference! I wouldn't be surprised to see AA give LGA-EYW a try as well, though EYW's other leading major carrier DL might now see reason to resume that service...


Well, isn't Delta supposed to start taking A220-100 deliveries next year? That aircraft can do LGA-EYW without a hitch so I wouldn't be surprised to see that add.
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:36 pm

EMB170 wrote:
Would one be correct in assuming EMB-175 service from both? ORD is mentioned, but if PHL is happening, will that be with E75 equipment also?


You’re correct based of AA website the E75 supposed to be used for PHL.
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:40 pm

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Well, isn't Delta supposed to start taking A220-100 deliveries next year? That aircraft can do LGA-EYW without a hitch so I wouldn't be surprised to see that add.

It’ll be a decent performer, but to claim the A220-100 can do EYW-LGA “without a hitch” is foolishly optimistic.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:42 pm

Transpac787 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Well, isn't Delta supposed to start taking A220-100 deliveries next year? That aircraft can do LGA-EYW without a hitch so I wouldn't be surprised to see that add.

It’ll be a decent performer, but to claim the A220-100 can do EYW-LGA “without a hitch” is foolishly optimistic.


It's certified to do NYC-LCY, so I'm sure LGA-EYW would be easier considering it needs 4,800 feet at MTOW to take off (and it won't be at MTOW). The route was previously flown on the 73G before going to the CR7.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:02 pm

That's is very impressing.

They fly to Kew West from Miami, Charlotte, Washington DC, Philadelphia, Chicago and Dallas.

They own Key West.

Delta only flies there from Atlanta, right?
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:07 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
That's is very impressing.

They fly to Kew West from Miami, Charlotte, Washington DC, Philadelphia, Chicago and Dallas.

They own Key West.

Delta only flies there from Atlanta, right?


Correct. Delta only does ATL-EYW, however they used to fly to LGA on a Saturday only seasonal basis, but that ended a few years ago. It's ironic because Delta was the first airline in quite some time to offer nonstop flights outside the state of Florida. They used to only do MCO-EYW but once they added ATL the MCO flights eventually ended up being cut altogether. Delta, however, is the only airline in EYW to offer mainline.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:25 pm

United flies daily to EWR and ORD during the peak season this winter. That's not too shabby either.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:28 pm

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United flies daily to EWR and ORD during the peak season this winter. That's not too shabby either.


Even less shabby, those are going daily year round starting in October and November.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:14 pm

I would think that many flights are weight restricted due to the runway. Still it shows what can be done with a short runway.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:28 pm

Nice to see AA overflying MIA more and more...
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:00 pm

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I would think that many flights are weight restricted due to the runway. Still it shows what can be done with a short runway.


UA flights are on the E170, and I don't think those are weight restricted at all. At MTOW those airplanes need 5,394 feet of runway to take off and I'm willing to bet that a 2 class E170 does not operate at MTOW for a 1,087.01 NM flight between ORD and EYW if the maximum range is 2,150 NM and a dual class aircraft holds less pax than a single class aircraft. I don't think DL has any restrictions on their 73G flights to/from ATL either (other than the 1 checked bag rule), but I've heard of them on their CR7 flights.
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:07 pm

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Nice to see AA overflying MIA more and more...


Nice indeed, although, the strength of the MIA hub remains untouched.
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:10 pm

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UA flights are on the E170, and I don't think those are weight restricted at all. At MTOW those airplanes need 5,394 feet of runway to take off and I'm willing to bet that a 2 class E170 does not operate at MTOW for a 1,087.01 NM flight between ORD and EYW if the maximum range is 2,150 NM and a dual class aircraft holds less pax than a single class aircraft. I don't think DL has any restrictions on their 73G flights to/from ATL either (other than the 1 checked bag rule), but I've heard of them on their CR7 flights.

You have an all-too-simplistic analysis. Simple range and takeoff performance figures don’t account for any irregular performance factors. All of which affect EYW.

Heat, humidity, routinely wet runway surfaces adversely affecting braking action, airlines using derated thrust for takeoffs, the list goes on.

You can be certain an A220 would not be able to go at MGTOW out of EYW, going all the way to LGA. Just because the wiki page says an A220-100 needs 4800ft to takeoff, and the EYW runway is 4801ft long, doesn’t mean an A220 can operate out of there “without a hitch”. Takeoff performance is not a simple if/than statement, based off of a 2-figure comparison from a wiki article.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:14 pm

Transpac787 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
UA flights are on the E170, and I don't think those are weight restricted at all. At MTOW those airplanes need 5,394 feet of runway to take off and I'm willing to bet that a 2 class E170 does not operate at MTOW for a 1,087.01 NM flight between ORD and EYW if the maximum range is 2,150 NM and a dual class aircraft holds less pax than a single class aircraft. I don't think DL has any restrictions on their 73G flights to/from ATL either (other than the 1 checked bag rule), but I've heard of them on their CR7 flights.

You have an all-too-simplistic analysis. Simple range and takeoff performance figures don’t account for any irregular performance factors. All of which affect EYW.

Heat, humidity, routinely wet runway surfaces adversely affecting braking action, airlines using derated thrust for takeoffs, the list goes on.

You can be certain an A220 would not be able to go at MGTOW out of EYW, going all the way to LGA. Just because the wiki page says an A220-100 needs 4800ft to takeoff, and the EYW runway is 4801ft long, doesn’t mean an A220 can operate out of there “without a hitch”. Takeoff performance is not a simple if/than statement, based off of a 2-figure comparison from a wiki article.


I'm more going off the fact that the aircraft is certified to fly LCY-NYC nonstop.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:15 pm

I am surprised they don't start LGA-EYW. The only connection from NYC at the moment is EWR on UA.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:16 pm

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I am surprised they don't start LGA-EYW. The only connection from NYC at the moment is EWR on UA.


It would be a re-start. It's been flown in the past. It'll probably happen.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:51 pm

Is DFW-EYW daily and year round now?
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:09 pm

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Is DFW-EYW daily and year round now?


I can't remember if it's going daily when it re-starts in December, but I think it's still seasonal.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:15 pm

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United787 wrote:
Nice to see AA overflying MIA more and more...


Nice indeed, although, the strength of the MIA hub remains untouched.


I think MIA is actually strengthened because of it. AA has been far too hesitant in overflying their hubs but I think it is shortsighted. I would compare AA and MIA to UA and SFO. UA's strength in Asia can be partly attributed to SFO but rather than solely relying on the hub, they have capitalized on their strength in Asia with a significant amount of flights to Asia from all of their hubs, thereby strengthening their position in Asia and coming full circle to SFO. AA should be flying ORD-GRU, not UA. AA should be stronger in ORD-Caribbean and ORD-Central America, but they aren't. I think they are changing that though. That is my theory for what it is worth.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:19 pm

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AASAP777 wrote:
United787 wrote:
Nice to see AA overflying MIA more and more...


Nice indeed, although, the strength of the MIA hub remains untouched.


I think MIA is actually strengthened because of it. AA has been far too hesitant in overflying their hubs but I think it is shortsighted. I would compare AA and MIA to UA and SFO. UA's strength in Asia can be partly attributed to SFO but rather than solely relying on the hub, they have capitalized on their strength in Asia with a significant amount of flights to Asia from all of their hubs, thereby strengthening their position in Asia and coming full circle to SFO. AA should be flying ORD-GRU, not UA. AA should be stronger in ORD-Caribbean and ORD-Central America, but they aren't. I think they are changing that though. That is my theory for what it is worth.


So you're basically saying that MIA was the starting point for them and now they've strengthened the EYW market to the point they can look beyond MIA and offer flights from other hubs while still maintaining their signatory route (MIA-EYW)?
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:28 pm

So, AA is going to serve Key West from 6 different cities.
UA from 2
DL from 1.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:39 pm

Could a 737 from ORD land at EYW? What happened to AAs E190s??
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:47 pm

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Could a 737 from ORD land at EYW? What happened to AAs E190s??


AA is retiring the E190s and their performance on short runways isn't as good as the E170. A 737 from LGA could land at EYW, and ORD-EYW is only 44 miles longer so I don't see why not. It would be the 73G though, nothing bigger.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:58 pm

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4engines4lnghll wrote:
Could a 737 from ORD land at EYW? What happened to AAs E190s??


AA is retiring the E190s and their performance on short runways isn't as good as the E170. A 737 from LGA could land at EYW, and ORD-EYW is only 44 miles longer so I don't see why not. It would be the 73G though, nothing bigger.


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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:12 pm

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Transpac787 wrote:
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Well, isn't Delta supposed to start taking A220-100 deliveries next year? That aircraft can do LGA-EYW without a hitch so I wouldn't be surprised to see that add.

It’ll be a decent performer, but to claim the A220-100 can do EYW-LGA “without a hitch” is foolishly optimistic.


It's certified to do NYC-LCY, so I'm sure LGA-EYW would be easier considering it needs 4,800 feet at MTOW to take off (and it won't be at MTOW). The route was previously flown on the 73G before going to the CR7.


I can only hope for LGA-EYW on DL in the A220-100 would be perfect for me and my family as well as the rest of DL flying New Yorkers who like to go down to Key West and not fly UA from EWR.

That being said the A220 will be at lower than MTOW out of EYW for this potential route and would have no trouble what so ever getting off the runway in EYW.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:06 pm

Still a 4800 foot runway has limitations, high heat, wind speed and direction, etc. While some long flights can be done, there will always be factors that will make some of those flights subject to weight restrictions. EYW is a leisure destination and as such flights carry a lot of luggage and the luggage is usually subject to being left behind. I know EYW is adding 277 feet to one end of the runway, but if the runway could be extended to 5500 feet or so, long range flights could operate day in and day out reliably.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:19 pm

EYW is a leisure destination but at least DL restricts pax to 1 checked bag. I would assume UA and AA do the same? Also a beach destination so most of the belongings people generally bring are casual clothes and bathing suits that do not take up all that much space or weight
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:21 pm

evank516 wrote:
Transpac787 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
UA flights are on the E170, and I don't think those are weight restricted at all. At MTOW those airplanes need 5,394 feet of runway to take off and I'm willing to bet that a 2 class E170 does not operate at MTOW for a 1,087.01 NM flight between ORD and EYW if the maximum range is 2,150 NM and a dual class aircraft holds less pax than a single class aircraft. I don't think DL has any restrictions on their 73G flights to/from ATL either (other than the 1 checked bag rule), but I've heard of them on their CR7 flights.

You have an all-too-simplistic analysis. Simple range and takeoff performance figures don’t account for any irregular performance factors. All of which affect EYW.

Heat, humidity, routinely wet runway surfaces adversely affecting braking action, airlines using derated thrust for takeoffs, the list goes on.

You can be certain an A220 would not be able to go at MGTOW out of EYW, going all the way to LGA. Just because the wiki page says an A220-100 needs 4800ft to takeoff, and the EYW runway is 4801ft long, doesn’t mean an A220 can operate out of there “without a hitch”. Takeoff performance is not a simple if/than statement, based off of a 2-figure comparison from a wiki article.


I'm more going off the fact that the aircraft is certified to fly LCY-NYC nonstop.


No plane is certified to fly a route; it’s always dependent on prevailing conditions. The A220 has shown, under the conditions, that it can reasonably fly LCY-JFK in an all-business class configuration. That flight means little here as the plane will be two-class configuration, hotter temps, etc.

That said, an A-220-100 shouldn’t have any problems going to LGA, wet or dry. It’s a fairly short leg.


Gf
 
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Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 pm

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Is the PHL-EWY a rumor or is it suppose to be announced soon?


Was announced last week internally same day the added ORD Florida was announced, unsure why it didn’t go public. Announced was weekend PHLSRQ and Saturday flights PHL-EYW/MLB
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:21 pm

I can't help but wonder if the LCCs and maybe even the ULCCs are looking into EYW service. WN is quite familiar with the airport and might just have enough pavement available to pull off services like EYW-ATL/BNA/HOU these days. B6 will soon have the A220 at its disposal, which could very well be a game changer when it comes to airports like APF, EGE, EYW, SNA, etc. that may have been out of the question before. Given that DL has flown A319s in and out of EYW before, I see no reason why NK, G4 or even F9 could not get the same type in and out, if only intrastate...
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SurfandSnow wrote:
I can't help but wonder if the LCCs and maybe even the ULCCs are looking into EYW service. WN is quite familiar with the airport and might just have enough pavement available to pull off services like EYW-ATL/BNA/HOU these days. B6 will soon have the A220 at its disposal, which could very well be a game changer when it comes to airports like APF, EGE, EYW, SNA, etc. that may have been out of the question before. Given that DL has flown A319s in and out of EYW before, I see no reason why NK, G4 or even F9 could not get the same type in and out, if only intrastate...


Hoping DL can use the A220 from HVN and its 5600 foot runway. DTW and ATL would go over very well with the local area.
 
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Could a 737 from ORD land at EYW? What happened to AAs E190s??


Delta is running 737-700s with carbon brakes in addition to ExpressJet CR7s.
 
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http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/north-america/american-airlines-adds-new-routes-from-chicago-ohare/

Can someone explain the following statement:
named the American Airlines hub at Chicago O’Hare International Airport the best-connected U.S. airport and a leading international hub, second only to London Heathrow

No idea what they're trying to claim, and based on what parameters. It just seems like a very odd thing to say.

Anyone?
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:10 am

Performance issues aside, is there are market for that many flights? I have been to Key West and the Keys just once and I recall it being a lovely, but rather small place (and a place where you would stay for a day or two, typically after driving down from Miami, but not for an extended vacation).
 
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Still a 4800 foot runway has limitations, high heat, wind speed and direction, etc. While some long flights can be done, there will always be factors that will make some of those flights subject to weight restrictions. EYW is a leisure destination and as such flights carry a lot of luggage and the luggage is usually subject to being left behind. I know EYW is adding 277 feet to one end of the runway, but if the runway could be extended to 5500 feet or so, long range flights could operate day in and day out reliably.


As someone who visits Key West exclusively, no you don't. 1 checked bag is more than enough. While it has its attraction for families, most visitors are adult couples who go for the water activities, food, and bar/music scene. Due to the hot weather most of the year, people pack light. If you visit Trip Advisor's Key West forum, you will see most Destination Experts saying you don't need to bring that much, and many people fit everything into a carry on. So no, despite being a leisure destination most people going to Key West do not pack heavy.

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evank516 wrote:
Transpac787 wrote:
You have an all-too-simplistic analysis. Simple range and takeoff performance figures don’t account for any irregular performance factors. All of which affect EYW.

Heat, humidity, routinely wet runway surfaces adversely affecting braking action, airlines using derated thrust for takeoffs, the list goes on.

You can be certain an A220 would not be able to go at MGTOW out of EYW, going all the way to LGA. Just because the wiki page says an A220-100 needs 4800ft to takeoff, and the EYW runway is 4801ft long, doesn’t mean an A220 can operate out of there “without a hitch”. Takeoff performance is not a simple if/than statement, based off of a 2-figure comparison from a wiki article.


I'm more going off the fact that the aircraft is certified to fly LCY-NYC nonstop.


No plane is certified to fly a route; it’s always dependent on prevailing conditions. The A220 has shown, under the conditions, that it can reasonably fly LCY-JFK in an all-business class configuration. That flight means little here as the plane will be two-class configuration, hotter temps, etc.

That said, an A-220-100 shouldn’t have any problems going to LGA, wet or dry. It’s a fairly short leg.


Gf


An aircraft has to be certified to land in LCY due to the higher than normal glide slope. The aircraft has proven to be able to fly nonstop from LCY to New York. If the aircraft can handle flying from LCY to NYC nonstop off of a similarly sized runway WESTBOUND (and doesn't it rain a lot in London too?), then you can pretty much guarantee that it can make it from EYW-LGA, a route that usually has tail winds since it is a general northeast heading (to agree with GalaxyFlyer). Believe it or not, Key West is one of the driest cities in Florida as well receiving much less annual precipitation than mainland cities. The air is much more stable over these small islands. Out of the 17 total days I've spent there, I've seen rain on 2 of them. It's usually dry there.

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EYW is a leisure destination but at least DL restricts pax to 1 checked bag. I would assume UA and AA do the same? Also a beach destination so most of the belongings people generally bring are casual clothes and bathing suits that do not take up all that much space or weight


UA and AA do not have the same rules.
 
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PHLspecial wrote:
Is the PHL-EWY a rumor or is it suppose to be announced soon?


I assume it’s suppose to be announced soon since it is bookable and shown on Wikipedia( I know not most reliable)


If it is bookable, it is not a rumor! Also oddly they don't always announce sometimes it's a seasonal route and it just shows up in the booking systems.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

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evank516 wrote:
4engines4lnghll wrote:
Could a 737 from ORD land at EYW? What happened to AAs E190s??


AA is retiring the E190s and their performance on short runways isn't as good as the E170. A 737 from LGA could land at EYW, and ORD-EYW is only 44 miles longer so I don't see why not. It would be the 73G though, nothing bigger.


Why do you feel the need to respond to every post in this thread? Let others have a chance. :hyper:


If I have something to contribute, I'm going to post. I started the thread, and I'm actively engaging in the discussion. You're more than welcome to contribute, but if you really have a problem there are plenty of other threads here for you to read.

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Performance issues aside, is there are market for that many flights? I have been to Key West and the Keys just once and I recall it being a lovely, but rather small place (and a place where you would stay for a day or two, typically after driving down from Miami, but not for an extended vacation).


LOL, you have it all wrong my friend. MANY people visit Key West exclusively. I know quite a few of them who will go for a week at a time and fly into EYW. Others may fly to Miami so they can experience the drive down the Keys and then fly out of EYW. I spend a week there in the summer and 5 days in the winter. I don't fly into Miami because I don't want to take that 4+ hour drive. You fly into EYW and you don't need a car, just your feet and maybe a bicycle.

gsg013 wrote:
EYW is a leisure destination but at least DL restricts pax to 1 checked bag. I would assume UA and AA do the same? Also a beach destination so most of the belongings people generally bring are casual clothes and bathing suits that do not take up all that much space or weight


Yeah, not a beach destination. Trust me. They're all man made and there really aren't any waves because the island is in a reef that keeps wave activity down. Also, there is tons of seagrass there that can really stink, especially during the summer. The Keys are not known for their beaches, but there are tons of things to do on the water such as jet skiing, kayaking, paddle boarding, fishing, snorkeling, and scuba diving.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:00 pm

evank516 wrote:
Swadian wrote:
evank516 wrote:

AA is retiring the E190s and their performance on short runways isn't as good as the E170. A 737 from LGA could land at EYW, and ORD-EYW is only 44 miles longer so I don't see why not. It would be the 73G though, nothing bigger.


Why do you feel the need to respond to every post in this thread? Let others have a chance. :hyper:


If I have something to contribute, I'm going to post. I started the thread, and I'm actively engaging in the discussion. You're more than welcome to contribute, but if you really have a problem there are plenty of other threads here for you to read.

vfw614 wrote:
Performance issues aside, is there are market for that many flights? I have been to Key West and the Keys just once and I recall it being a lovely, but rather small place (and a place where you would stay for a day or two, typically after driving down from Miami, but not for an extended vacation).


LOL, you have it all wrong my friend. MANY people visit Key West exclusively. I know quite a few of them who will go for a week at a time and fly into EYW. Others may fly to Miami so they can experience the drive down the Keys and then fly out of EYW. I spend a week there in the summer and 5 days in the winter. I don't fly into Miami because I don't want to take that 4+ hour drive. You fly into EYW and you don't need a car, just your feet and maybe a bicycle.

gsg013 wrote:
EYW is a leisure destination but at least DL restricts pax to 1 checked bag. I would assume UA and AA do the same? Also a beach destination so most of the belongings people generally bring are casual clothes and bathing suits that do not take up all that much space or weight


Yeah, not a beach destination. Trust me. They're all man made and there really aren't any waves because the island is in a reef that keeps wave activity down. Also, there is tons of seagrass there that can really stink, especially during the summer. The Keys are not known for their beaches, but there are tons of things to do on the water such as jet skiing, kayaking, paddle boarding, fishing, snorkeling, and scuba diving.


Right i know what you're saying my family has a house down there so I realize people dont really go there to "sit on the beach" what im saying is that its more out on the water where your wearing a bathing suit and casual clothes not getting dressed up all the time.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:03 pm

An aircraft has to be certified to land in LCY due to the higher than normal glide slope. The aircraft has proven to be able to fly nonstop from LCY to New York. If the aircraft can handle flying from LCY to NYC nonstop off of a similarly sized runway WESTBOUND (and doesn't it rain a lot in London too?)


Not only was I qualified to operate a Global into LCY, I did the work to train my pilots and qualify my department to operate there. But, every airport is different in ways not obvious—terrain, noise abatement, buildings, local restrictions that mean simply operating out of one airport with the same runway dimensions means it can do the same out of another facially similar airport. TORA, TODA, ASDA means stated length alone isn’t enough.

GF
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:03 pm

gsg013 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Swadian wrote:

Why do you feel the need to respond to every post in this thread? Let others have a chance. :hyper:


If I have something to contribute, I'm going to post. I started the thread, and I'm actively engaging in the discussion. You're more than welcome to contribute, but if you really have a problem there are plenty of other threads here for you to read.

vfw614 wrote:
Performance issues aside, is there are market for that many flights? I have been to Key West and the Keys just once and I recall it being a lovely, but rather small place (and a place where you would stay for a day or two, typically after driving down from Miami, but not for an extended vacation).


LOL, you have it all wrong my friend. MANY people visit Key West exclusively. I know quite a few of them who will go for a week at a time and fly into EYW. Others may fly to Miami so they can experience the drive down the Keys and then fly out of EYW. I spend a week there in the summer and 5 days in the winter. I don't fly into Miami because I don't want to take that 4+ hour drive. You fly into EYW and you don't need a car, just your feet and maybe a bicycle.

gsg013 wrote:
EYW is a leisure destination but at least DL restricts pax to 1 checked bag. I would assume UA and AA do the same? Also a beach destination so most of the belongings people generally bring are casual clothes and bathing suits that do not take up all that much space or weight


Yeah, not a beach destination. Trust me. They're all man made and there really aren't any waves because the island is in a reef that keeps wave activity down. Also, there is tons of seagrass there that can really stink, especially during the summer. The Keys are not known for their beaches, but there are tons of things to do on the water such as jet skiing, kayaking, paddle boarding, fishing, snorkeling, and scuba diving.


Right i know what you're saying my family has a house down there so I realize people dont really go there to "sit on the beach" what im saying is that its more out on the water where your wearing a bathing suit and casual clothes not getting dressed up all the time.


That makes more sense. The other thing about Key West is that unless you're going for a wedding, everywhere is pretty much casual when it comes to dress codes. I've gone to Hot Tin Roof for dinner in jeans and a collarless shirt and didn't look under dressed at all.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:40 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
evank516 wrote:
http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/north-america/american-airlines-adds-new-routes-from-chicago-ohare/

Can someone explain the following statement:
named the American Airlines hub at Chicago O’Hare International Airport the best-connected U.S. airport and a leading international hub, second only to London Heathrow

No idea what they're trying to claim, and based on what parameters. It just seems like a very odd thing to say.

Anyone?


Check out the discussion and links starting at post #1030.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383591&start=1000

It is not a random claim. It is a real designation based on a specific parameters that are explained.

"The OAG Megahubs International Index 2018 reveals the top 50 most connected airports in the world as measured by the highest ratio of scheduled connections to the number of destinations served.

OAG’s Megahubs International Index goes beyond the size of an airport’s route network and measures the number of connections possible within a specific time frame and the relative attractiveness of each airport as a connecting point for scheduled domestic air passengers."
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:45 pm

evank516 wrote:
I've gone to Hot Tin Roof for dinner in jeans and a collarless shirt and didn't look under dressed at all.


I work for the owners of that resort. Definitely come as you are to Hot Tin Roof, and be sure to check out our Sunset Pier when it reopens (it was destroyed in the hurricane) - it's going to be better than ever!

Regarding DL's 1 checked bag limit, isn't that only because it's mainline?
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:56 pm

AAtakeMeAway wrote:
evank516 wrote:
I've gone to Hot Tin Roof for dinner in jeans and a collarless shirt and didn't look under dressed at all.


I work for the owners of that resort. Definitely come as you are to Hot Tin Roof, and be sure to check out our Sunset Pier when it reopens (it was destroyed in the hurricane) - it's going to be better than ever!

Regarding DL's 1 checked bag limit, isn't that only because it's mainline?


I thought it was due to weight of the aircraft. They don't even let you check a second bag if you want to pay for it on the route. I believe F even has a 1 bag limit.

As funny as it would seem the 737-700 being a much heavier and bigger aircraft (the 737 has great performance) it is the CR-700's that have more trouble with the runway at EYW. The takeoff run at MTOW is 5,265. and landing at max weight typically requires 5,040 ft. I've landed on the CR-700 in torrential rain at EYW I really thought we were going to skid off the runway we used almost every foot to land that night.
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:04 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
An aircraft has to be certified to land in LCY due to the higher than normal glide slope. The aircraft has proven to be able to fly nonstop from LCY to New York. If the aircraft can handle flying from LCY to NYC nonstop off of a similarly sized runway WESTBOUND (and doesn't it rain a lot in London too?)


Not only was I qualified to operate a Global into LCY, I did the work to train my pilots and qualify my department to operate there. But, every airport is different in ways not obvious—terrain, noise abatement, buildings, local restrictions that mean simply operating out of one airport with the same runway dimensions means it can do the same out of another facially similar airport. TORA, TODA, ASDA means stated length alone isn’t enough.

GF


That would be published on AirNav right? I should see TORA, TODA, ASDA, LDA on AirNav. I've seen it there before.
Runway Information
Runway 9/27
Dimensions: 4801 x 100 ft. / 1463 x 30 m
Surface: asphalt/grooved, in good condition
Weight bearing capacity:
PCN 75 /F/A/W/T
Single wheel: 75.0
Double wheel: 125.0
Double tandem: 195.0
Runway edge lights: medium intensity
RUNWAY 9 RUNWAY 27
Latitude: 24-33.363207N 24-33.371595N
Longitude: 081-46.006078W 081-45.139432W
Elevation: 2.7 ft. 2.5 ft.
Traffic pattern: right left
Runway heading: 093 magnetic, 089 true 273 magnetic, 269 true
Markings: nonprecision, in good condition nonprecision, in good condition
Visual slope indicator: 4-light PAPI on left (3.00 degrees glide path) 4-light PAPI on right (3.00 degrees glide path)
Runway end identifier lights: yes yes
Touchdown point: yes, no lights yes, no lights

You have full use of the runway for take off and landing in EYW. No published obstructions either. Curfew from 2300-0700 and departure procedures call for a turn to the north or south after crossing the airfield boundary.

gsg013 wrote:
AAtakeMeAway wrote:
evank516 wrote:
I've gone to Hot Tin Roof for dinner in jeans and a collarless shirt and didn't look under dressed at all.


I work for the owners of that resort. Definitely come as you are to Hot Tin Roof, and be sure to check out our Sunset Pier when it reopens (it was destroyed in the hurricane) - it's going to be better than ever!

Regarding DL's 1 checked bag limit, isn't that only because it's mainline?


I thought it was due to weight of the aircraft. They don't even let you check a second bag if you want to pay for it on the route. I believe F even has a 1 bag limit.

As funny as it would seem the 737-700 being a much heavier and bigger aircraft (the 737 has great performance) it is the CR-700's that have more trouble with the runway at EYW. The takeoff run at MTOW is 5,265. and landing at max weight typically requires 5,040 ft. I've landed on the CR-700 in torrential rain at EYW I really thought we were going to skid off the runway we used almost every foot to land that night.

Delta's restriction to 1 checked bag was in place before they started mainline at EYW. And yes, I've heard of the CR7s having trouble with the runway, but not the 737. It's a great plane!
 
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Re: AA Launching PHL/ORD-EYW

Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:19 pm

Does anyone know/remember what the restrictions were on the 727-100's Eastern used to fly on the EYW-ATL route back in the '80s??

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