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DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:04 pm

Beginning in June (6/29), using 767-300ER equipment. Departing DTW at 12:00 PM, arriving HNL at 3:43 PM, and departing HNL 3:15 PM and arriving DTW 6:10 AM.

https://news.delta.com/deltas-new-detro ... ach-hawaii
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:20 pm

Now all they have to do is start DTW-ANC back up.
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:31 pm

Btw where is this 763ER coming from?
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:33 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Beginning in June (6/29), using 767-300ER equipment. Departing DTW at 12:00 PM, arriving HNL at 3:43 PM, and departing HNL 3:15 PM and arriving DTW 6:10 AM.

https://news.delta.com/deltas-new-detro ... ach-hawaii


"Delta is also planning to expand its service to London-Heathrow from Detroit to twice daily beginning May 2019. Additional schedule details will be released at a later date."
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:40 pm

This service will likely be seasonal. Is it daily? And finally Delta is going x2 daily again on DTW-LHR for the summer.
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:01 pm

I wonder if this is at the cost of the seasonal MSP-HNL?
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:05 pm

http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/nor ... nd-hawaii/

This article says that HNL is the third largest market not served from DTW. What are the top two? ANC and SMF?
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:08 pm

WOW That was unexpected, good to see we are getting our second daily LHR flight back could we see VS again in Detroit ?
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:10 pm

I never could understand why people thought Delta would not be interesting in expanding in a city with 4.3 metro population and significant corporate presence.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:10 pm

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And finally Delta is going x2 daily again on DTW-LHR for the summer.


Doesn’t DL/DTW split their LHR slot with PDX? PDX-LHR operating 4x/week and DTW-LHR operating 3x/ week? Wonder if PDX-LHR is going away.
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:12 pm

NWBOS wrote:
I wonder if this is at the cost of the seasonal MSP-HNL?


I don't think so. They mentioned the MSP flight in the press release. I think by all accounts, the MSP flight has been doing fine. I think this is coming from SLC. If you look at the direct flight from SLC in the summer, its now showing as a 757. I think that 763 is being used on the new DTW flight which would make sense. They price the 763 out of SLC as a regular first class flight rather than Delta One and that 763 did some interesting rotations like domestic flights to ATL or JFK. They can probably get a nice premium on that aircraft from DTW and turn it around onto a TATL flight.
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:16 pm

BenflysDTW wrote:
http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/north-america/delta-adds-nonstop-link-between-detroit-and-hawaii/

This article says that HNL is the third largest market not served from DTW. What are the top two? ANC and SMF?
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:16 pm

NWBOS wrote:
I wonder if this is at the cost of the seasonal MSP-HNL?

That flight operates 10 months out of the year. It’s not going anywhere.
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:19 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
NWBOS wrote:
I wonder if this is at the cost of the seasonal MSP-HNL?


I don't think so. They mentioned the MSP flight in the press release. I think by all accounts, the MSP flight has been doing fine. I think this is coming from SLC. If you look at the direct flight from SLC in the summer, its now showing as a 757. I think that 763 is being used on the new DTW flight which would make sense. They price the 763 out of SLC as a regular first class flight rather than Delta One and that 763 did some interesting rotations like domestic flights to ATL or JFK. They can probably get a nice premium on that aircraft from DTW and turn it around onto a TATL flight.
The plane actually looks like its coming from PIT. TPA's 76W is coming from SLC.
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:24 pm

flymco753 wrote:
klakzky123 wrote:
NWBOS wrote:
I wonder if this is at the cost of the seasonal MSP-HNL?


I don't think so. They mentioned the MSP flight in the press release. I think by all accounts, the MSP flight has been doing fine. I think this is coming from SLC. If you look at the direct flight from SLC in the summer, its now showing as a 757. I think that 763 is being used on the new DTW flight which would make sense. They price the 763 out of SLC as a regular first class flight rather than Delta One and that 763 did some interesting rotations like domestic flights to ATL or JFK. They can probably get a nice premium on that aircraft from DTW and turn it around onto a TATL flight.
The plane actually looks like its coming from PIT. TPA's 76W is coming from SLC.


I assumed PIT would become the seasonal LHR flight so where is that plane coming from?
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:25 pm

flymco753 wrote:
klakzky123 wrote:
NWBOS wrote:
I wonder if this is at the cost of the seasonal MSP-HNL?


I don't think so. They mentioned the MSP flight in the press release. I think by all accounts, the MSP flight has been doing fine. I think this is coming from SLC. If you look at the direct flight from SLC in the summer, its now showing as a 757. I think that 763 is being used on the new DTW flight which would make sense. They price the 763 out of SLC as a regular first class flight rather than Delta One and that 763 did some interesting rotations like domestic flights to ATL or JFK. They can probably get a nice premium on that aircraft from DTW and turn it around onto a TATL flight.
The plane actually looks like its coming from PIT. TPA's 76W is coming from SLC.


PIT ended almost a month ago, so what is that aircraft doing for almost a year?
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:41 pm

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Btw where is this 763ER coming from?

What? Is Every Airplane "Cast in Stone" to a City or a Route?? Hell! They'll make Routing Adjustments Like any OTHER Airline does!!
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:43 pm

So is MSP-HNL service staying the same...?
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:44 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Btw where is this 763ER coming from?

What? Is Every Airplane "Cast in Stone" to a City or a Route?? Hell! They'll make Routing Adjustments Like any OTHER Airline does!!


That is what I'm asking, what route adjustments they are going to make.......


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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:45 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Btw where is this 763ER coming from?

What? Is Every Airplane "Cast in Stone" to a City or a Route?? Hell! They'll make Routing Adjustments Like any OTHER Airline does!!


That is what I'm asking, what route adjustments they are going to make.......


Take it easy on the coffee btw, :D


I think he means it may not be a 1-for-1 swap.
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:46 pm

[Meticulous mode ON]
This route actually does exist (DL1149) with a stop in LAX. :D

So, we can say this is a new non-stop route.

[Meticulous mode OFF] :D
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:49 pm

nicode wrote:
[Meticulous mode ON]
This route actually does exist (DL1149) with a stop in LAX. :D

So, we can say this is a new non-stop route.

[Meticulous mode OFF] :D

Well, there is a plane change involved with DL1149, different aircraft are used on the DTW-LAX flight and the LAX-HNL flight...
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:51 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
NWBOS wrote:
I wonder if this is at the cost of the seasonal MSP-HNL?


I don't think so. They mentioned the MSP flight in the press release. I think by all accounts, the MSP flight has been doing fine. I think this is coming from SLC. If you look at the direct flight from SLC in the summer, its now showing as a 757. I think that 763 is being used on the new DTW flight which would make sense. They price the 763 out of SLC as a regular first class flight rather than Delta One and that 763 did some interesting rotations like domestic flights to ATL or JFK. They can probably get a nice premium on that aircraft from DTW and turn it around onto a TATL flight.


I agree about MSP staying. Reading the press release, no routes are being dropped. MSP-HNL goes way back. I flew it non-stop on a 747-100 in February of 1990. There have been other times when DTW has had seasonal DC-10 non-stop service to HNL while MSP has also had non-stop service. They will pull from different connecting markets too, as MSP is the best connection for wealthy midwesterners in smaller markets that only have non-stop service to MSP, and DTW will offer better connections from the Northeast-Hawaii. I have a meeting in HNL next year and I think I will take this flight!
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:01 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
klakzky123 wrote:

I don't think so. They mentioned the MSP flight in the press release. I think by all accounts, the MSP flight has been doing fine. I think this is coming from SLC. If you look at the direct flight from SLC in the summer, its now showing as a 757. I think that 763 is being used on the new DTW flight which would make sense. They price the 763 out of SLC as a regular first class flight rather than Delta One and that 763 did some interesting rotations like domestic flights to ATL or JFK. They can probably get a nice premium on that aircraft from DTW and turn it around onto a TATL flight.
The plane actually looks like its coming from PIT. TPA's 76W is coming from SLC.


PIT ended almost a month ago, so what is that aircraft doing for almost a year?


Seeing PIT was seasonal wouldn't that plane already have been allocated somewhere for winter. So really it is only from whenever PIT would have started (May?) until this route starts. Not that they will sit it over summer though (maybe it gets used on the DTW-LHR 2nd flight).
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:16 pm

Isn’t DTW-LHR typically operated by a B76L, the high-J B763? If so, then there’s no way that plane is coming from PIT-CDG, as that aircraft is likely being allocated to TPA-AMS next May.

DL must be reallocating their B76L utilization like they are with the B76Z subfleet.
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:26 pm

ANA787 wrote:
BenflysDTW wrote:
And finally Delta is going x2 daily again on DTW-LHR for the summer.


Doesn’t DL/DTW split their LHR slot with PDX? PDX-LHR operating 4x/week and DTW-LHR operating 3x/ week? Wonder if PDX-LHR is going away.

I believe DL has some spare LHR slots, but I can't remember the days/times.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:53 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Isn’t DTW-LHR typically operated by a B76L, the high-J B763? If so, then there’s no way that plane is coming from PIT-CDG, as that aircraft is likely being allocated to TPA-AMS next May.

DL must be reallocating their B76L utilization like they are with the B76Z subfleet.


The 3 day a week flight is a 767 but the daily flight is a 332
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:03 pm

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I never could understand why people thought Delta would not be interesting in expanding in a city with 4.3 metro population and significant corporate presence.


I don't know that DTW-HNL is a big corporate market...

This certainly will facilitate Northeast and eastern Upper Midwest connections on lie-flats. Maybe UA's expansion of lie-flats to Hawaii has been seen as successful.
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:10 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
NWBOS wrote:
I wonder if this is at the cost of the seasonal MSP-HNL?


I don't think so. They mentioned the MSP flight in the press release. I think by all accounts, the MSP flight has been doing fine. I think this is coming from SLC. If you look at the direct flight from SLC in the summer, its now showing as a 757. I think that 763 is being used on the new DTW flight which would make sense. They price the 763 out of SLC as a regular first class flight rather than Delta One and that 763 did some interesting rotations like domestic flights to ATL or JFK. They can probably get a nice premium on that aircraft from DTW and turn it around onto a TATL flight.


These flights come & go as the yield environment to HNL swings high and low over time. Hawaii is a nice network booster and FF program booster, if the flights can pay their costs. Right now the yield to Hawaii is good I think. Certainly compared to Asia. Hawaii costs the same and is half the distance.
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:30 pm

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I don't know that DTW-HNL is a big corporate market...


I couldn't imagine it would be. Hawaii isn't exactly known for its auto suppliers and manufacturing.

TW870 wrote:
MSP-HNL goes way back.


Back in the mid 2000s NW had a MSP-SFO-HNL flight on a 753. I flew on it a couple times on the MSP-SFO routing section. Was that an all year thing or was it seasonal?
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:50 pm

I will give credit where credit is due. Very nice adds by DL, and congrats to the DTW team for whatever role they played in facilitating this addition. These additions are services that the DL FFs in the DTW cachement area will very much appreciate.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:57 pm

falstaff wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
I don't know that DTW-HNL is a big corporate market...


I couldn't imagine it would be. Hawaii isn't exactly known for its auto suppliers and manufacturing.

TW870 wrote:
MSP-HNL goes way back.


Back in the mid 2000s NW had a MSP-SFO-HNL flight on a 753. I flew on it a couple times on the MSP-SFO routing section. Was that an all year thing or was it seasonal?


Let’s be honest, what are the drivers of Hawaii’s economy (besides tourism of course)? Yes there are minimal automotive or manufacturing ties, but we could ask this same question about any other market that flies to Hawaii.

I mean, beyond tourism, what are the main corporate draws between any airport that flies XXX-HNL? Hawaii traffic is mostly tourists to some degree, with some corporate conferences, governmental, some agricultural, etc. mixed in. And while I agree Hawaii tourism is more popular in the Western USA, there should be more than enough pax in the DTW cachement to make one well timed flight to HNL work. Smart add by DL.
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:58 pm

Nice. I have been looking at flights to Hawaii the last couple days from here and it's never fun connecting on the West Coast. I'm surprised Alaska doesn't have a very well timed flight to connect there through SEA.
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:08 pm

NWBOS wrote:
I wonder if this is at the cost of the seasonal MSP-HNL?


Is the MSP-HNL flight seasonal? The article implies that (at least according to DL) the MSP flight is part of the core DL Hawaii service. It then lists the seasonal services as being from SFO, PDX, and JFK.

Also, what is seasonal for Hawaii? My guess is that high season would be winter when the weather is cold on much of the mainland. But if DL is eyeing this DTW flight as seasonal, June seems like an unusual time to start service, hence I am led to believe this new service DTW-HNL service would be year round.

Am I overlooking something?
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:10 pm

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But, but, but, but I thought DL hated DTW.... :spin:


They do, how else would you explain the subpar 763 on the route? Should be a 744 at a minimum, if not an A380. And yes I know DL doesn't have A380s but that's only because ATL isn't configured to handle them and DL only cares about ATL. If they didn't hate DTW so much they would have the world's second largest fleet by now, behind only EK.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:13 pm

FA9295 wrote:
nicode wrote:
[Meticulous mode ON]
This route actually does exist (DL1149) with a stop in LAX. :D

So, we can say this is a new non-stop route.

[Meticulous mode OFF] :D

Well, there is a plane change involved with DL1149, different aircraft are used on the DTW-LAX flight and the LAX-HNL flight...


I think you need to update your “meticulous mode” as it’s wrong
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:18 pm

nicode wrote:
[Meticulous mode ON]
This route actually does exist (DL1149) with a stop in LAX. :D

So, we can say this is a new non-stop route.

[Meticulous mode OFF] :D

[nitpick] There was a DTW-HNL non-stop back in the 90s for a short period, so this is anew resurrection of an old route. [/nitpick]
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:28 pm

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Beginning in June (6/29), using 767-300ER equipment. Departing DTW at 12:00 PM, arriving HNL at 3:43 PM, and departing HNL 3:15 PM and arriving DTW 6:10 AM.


The flight times are very convenient for passengers. The departure from DTW at noon allows for connections and those living in Detroit don't have to get to the airport at the crack of dawn on the return flight, it's essentially an overnight flight and lands with the full day ahead of you (if you live in DTW) or you have plenty of time to connect onward. It is interesting that the flight lands in HNL at 3:43pm, but the outgoing flight leaves at 3:15pm. I suppose the incoming flight will be routed to a different destination and a previously arrived DL 767 will handle the nonstop back to DTW?
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:33 pm

Wow, 9 U.S. gateways to HNL for DL now: ATL, DTW (seasonal), JFK (seasonal), LAS (seasonal), LAX, MSP (seasonal?), PDX (seasonal), SEA and SFO (seasonal). They've got Hawaii covered from all of their major hubs now as well as the relevant focus city operations throughout the West, that's for sure. I believe all 4 Japan-HNL markets (FUK, KIX, NGO, NRT) operate year round? At this point a resumption of SAN-HNL doesn't make sense. However, I can't help but wonder if DL could get a 757 to operate SNA-HNL with a viable payload, if only seasonally...
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:51 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
Wow, 9 U.S. gateways to HNL for DL now: ATL, DTW (seasonal), JFK (seasonal), LAS (seasonal), LAX, MSP (seasonal?), PDX (seasonal), SEA and SFO (seasonal). They've got Hawaii covered from all of their major hubs now as well as the relevant focus city operations throughout the West, that's for sure. I believe all 4 Japan-HNL markets (FUK, KIX, NGO, NRT) operate year round? At this point a resumption of SAN-HNL doesn't make sense. However, I can't help but wonder if DL could get a 757 to operate SNA-HNL with a viable payload, if only seasonally...


It doesn't say in the press release that DTW is seasonal it's listed with the year round destinations.
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:54 pm

kavok wrote:
NWBOS wrote:
I wonder if this is at the cost of the seasonal MSP-HNL?


Is the MSP-HNL flight seasonal? The article implies that (at least according to DL) the MSP flight is part of the core DL Hawaii service. It then lists the seasonal services as being from SFO, PDX, and JFK.

Also, what is seasonal for Hawaii? My guess is that high season would be winter when the weather is cold on much of the mainland. But if DL is eyeing this DTW flight as seasonal, June seems like an unusual time to start service, hence I am led to believe this new service DTW-HNL service would be year round.

Am I overlooking something?


No I think you have it right in the press release Delta points out the seasonal routes and DTW is listed with the year round destinations.
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:09 pm

BobbyPSP wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
nicode wrote:
[Meticulous mode ON]
This route actually does exist (DL1149) with a stop in LAX. :D

So, we can say this is a new non-stop route.

[Meticulous mode OFF] :D

Well, there is a plane change involved with DL1149, different aircraft are used on the DTW-LAX flight and the LAX-HNL flight...


I think you need to update your “meticulous mode” as it’s wrong


Depends on the day. Some days the DTW-LAX flight is a 752 which continues to HNL and some days it's an A321 which does not (like today for example).
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:47 pm

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Atlwarrior wrote:
I never could understand why people thought Delta would not be interesting in expanding in a city with 4.3 metro population and significant corporate presence.


I don't know that DTW-HNL is a big corporate market...

This certainly will facilitate Northeast and eastern Upper Midwest connections on lie-flats. Maybe UA's expansion of lie-flats to Hawaii has been seen as successful.


I was talking about overall, obviously HNL will be local and feed traffic.
 
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:55 pm

michman wrote:
BobbyPSP wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Well, there is a plane change involved with DL1149, different aircraft are used on the DTW-LAX flight and the LAX-HNL flight...


I think you need to update your “meticulous mode” as it’s wrong


Depends on the day. Some days the DTW-LAX flight is a 752 which continues to HNL and some days it's an A321 which does not (like today for example).

The airplane type might be the same (752) but it almost always is a different plane.
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:57 pm

exFWAOONW wrote:
nicode wrote:
[Meticulous mode ON]
This route actually does exist (DL1149) with a stop in LAX. :D

So, we can say this is a new non-stop route.

[Meticulous mode OFF] :D

[nitpick] There was a DTW-HNL non-stop back in the 90s for a short period, so this is anew resurrection of an old route. [/nitpick]


I flew the DTW-HNL in early 2002 on D10.
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:13 pm

Fun fact: The red-eye HNL-DTW on a DC-10 was the first arrival into the NW Worldgateway / McNamera terminal when it opened in Feb. 2002.
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:31 pm

Anyhow, this route was a blindside add. I wonder what the contributing factor was that made DL want to do DTW-HNL as opposed to DTW-ANC, which is the 2nd largest market from DTW in the 50.
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:41 pm

with flatbeds nonetheless so that makes connecting from the east coast through DTW a must. Wonder if they will charge more for J over cities that offer regular F
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:47 pm

NWBOS wrote:
I wonder if this is at the cost of the seasonal MSP-HNL?


Doubtful, the market in Minneapolis for travel to HNL is large enough to sustain a Summer flight. Summer trips to HNL are actually quite popular.
 
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Re: DL announces DTW-HNL

Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:51 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
Wow, 9 U.S. gateways to HNL for DL now: ATL, DTW (seasonal), JFK (seasonal), LAS (seasonal), LAX, MSP (seasonal?), PDX (seasonal), SEA and SFO (seasonal). They've got Hawaii covered from all of their major hubs now as well as the relevant focus city operations throughout the West, that's for sure. I believe all 4 Japan-HNL markets (FUK, KIX, NGO, NRT) operate year round? At this point a resumption of SAN-HNL doesn't make sense. However, I can't help but wonder if DL could get a 757 to operate SNA-HNL with a viable payload, if only seasonally...


MSP is not "seasonal" however it operates only 10 months of the year with a break in September and October.

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