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Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:29 am

This evening, Air Niugini Flight 73 enroute from PNI to TKK crashed into the lagoon near the TKK airport. There were 36 passengers and 11 crew onboard. All passengers survived and were taken to local hospital per Pacific Daily News

https://www.guampdn.com/story/news/2018/09/28/plane-crashes-into-chuuk-lagoon/1450083002/
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Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:36 am

Thanks god everyone survived. Is it me or there were way too many crews on this flight?
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:38 am

The aircraft is reportedly P2-PXE, a 2006 build 738.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:39 am

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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:41 am

Looks like the aircraft is P2-PXE, a 13.5 year old 737-800 operated by Air Niugini. Previously operated for Air India Express and Jet Airways as VT-AXC and VT-JBT respectively. Had been operated by Air Niugini for five years.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... i/6MraCKLM

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/px73
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:46 am

Looks like he’s off the end of the runway? Overrun?

I know the one time I took the island hopper years ago Chuuk was the hardest landing. 6000 ft isn’t horrible but it looks with the weather it have been wet
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:01 am

joeblow10 wrote:
Looks like he’s off the end of the runway? Overrun?

I know the one time I took the island hopper years ago Chuuk was the hardest landing. 6000 ft isn’t horrible but it looks with the weather it have been wet


The runway at TKK is frequently wet. Every single night landing I had there was in rain.
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:34 am

That 738 sure is low in the water in photos I saw.
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:39 am

36 passengers on a B737-800? That’s not many people for that size plane.
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:49 am

I think crash is a bit of overkill. The aircraft according to news reports the aircraft overshoot the runway during a landing attempt at 09.30am local this morning. No reports of weather at the time .

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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:51 am

I wonder what time frame the pax and crew got out in. I also wonder what attitude the 738 settled in once it came to rest in the water. Did the plane finally sink?
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:59 am

Pellegrine wrote:
I wonder what time frame the pax and crew got out in. I also wonder what attitude the 738 settled in once it came to rest in the water. Did the plane finally sink?


I think it did sink according to what I've heard.
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:06 am

An767 wrote:
I think crash is a bit of overkill. The aircraft according to news reports the aircraft overshoot the runway during a landing attempt at 09.30am local this morning. No reports of weather at the time


Airplane in the water = crash. Not complicated.

Any time an airplane is not a) in the air, b) standing on its wheels, or at least c) resting (even without landing gear) on a designated clearway, it has crashed.

No different from a car. If your car is in the water, you've crashed.
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:07 am

Air Niugini have issued a press release on Facebook indicating it landed short of the runway.

https://www.facebook.com/88806860236/po ... 708720237/
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:10 am

On the issue of load factors---this appears to be a last-minute equipment up-gauge (the route is usually flown with a Fokker F70---and for good reason, TKK and PNI each have only one 6,000-foot runway), although the crew amount is unusually high...should be no more than 6. As for this, at least everyone survived, although that was one of only 3 737s in their fleet. Re-fleeting might be appropriate with the Embraer 190 for mid-haul routes (likely available from multiple airlines such as AC or AD, or lessors) and the A321neo for longer routes (the latter via lease) to Singapore, China, Australasia, and Japan.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:22 am

spacecadet wrote:
An767 wrote:
I think crash is a bit of overkill. The aircraft according to news reports the aircraft overshoot the runway during a landing attempt at 09.30am local this morning. No reports of weather at the time


Airplane in the water = crash. Not complicated.

Any time an airplane is not a) in the air, b) standing on its wheels, or at least c) resting (even without landing gear) on a designated clearway, it has crashed.

No different from a car. If your car is in the water, you've crashed.


Maybe if the original post had been more descriptive with fact in the original title , it would have been more precise . But typical Anet , it has to be over dramatized

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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:33 am

spacecadet wrote:
An767 wrote:
I think crash is a bit of overkill. The aircraft according to news reports the aircraft overshoot the runway during a landing attempt at 09.30am local this morning. No reports of weather at the time


Airplane in the water = crash. Not complicated.

Any time an airplane is not a) in the air, b) standing on its wheels, or at least c) resting (even without landing gear) on a designated clearway, it has crashed.

No different from a car. If your car is in the water, you've crashed.


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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:54 am

An767 wrote:
I think crash is a bit of overkill. The aircraft according to news reports the aircraft overshoot the runway during a landing attempt at 09.30am local this morning. No reports of weather at the time .

AN767


How is it overkill? A plane crashed, as stated above. Not all plane crashes resort in loss of life or disintegration of the frame. Maybe people shouldn't automatically jump to conclusion without reading facts and then blame headlines?
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:55 am

At the very first glimpse of the title seeing TKK..I just read it off as TK..? and was like oh no, yet another of their very often recurring incidents . Then I was like oh ok TKK, the airport and Air Niugini the airline.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:07 am

Also the picture in this new article of the plane half in the water and all boats around with people in it looks like a titanic scene. :)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45674786
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:16 am

According to airfleets, all their B737 are leased.

Will they just lease another B737NG. There must be plenty out there as the B737MAX comes online.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:23 am

spacecadet wrote:
An767 wrote:
I think crash is a bit of overkill. The aircraft according to news reports the aircraft overshoot the runway during a landing attempt at 09.30am local this morning. No reports of weather at the time


Airplane in the water = crash. Not complicated.

Any time an airplane is not a) in the air, b) standing on its wheels, or at least c) resting (even without landing gear) on a designated clearway, it has crashed.

No different from a car. If your car is in the water, you've crashed.


Crash isn't an official term. In officialese it is an accident or an incident.
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:34 am

An767 wrote:
I think crash is a bit of overkill. The aircraft according to news reports the aircraft overshoot the runway during a landing attempt at 09.30am local this morning. No reports of weather at the time .

AN767


Did not overshoot the runway. Landed (crashed) into lagoon short of the runway after possible hitting the sea wall.
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:09 am

I think hitting a sea wall and landing short of the runway into a lagoon probably qualifies as crash... but very glad everyone survived!
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:17 am

Glad everyone is ok.

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
36 passengers on a B737-800? That’s not many people for that size plane.


That is indeed not many, but the 11 crew seems like an overkill. According to regulations, it should be 1 stewardess on 50 passengers, right? So 2 pilots and 4 stewardesses = 6 crew.
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:28 am

Just found a Video about landing at Chuuk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCNMZ9hafdY
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:25 am

Dutchy wrote:
According to regulations, it should be 1 stewardess on 50 passengers, right? So 2 pilots and 4 stewardesses = 6 crew.


The European regulation is 1 Flight Attendant on 50 SEATS - not passengers...

Looking at the pictures in this article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45674786 it seems there was enough time to deploy the life rafts. Strange however, that there is no emergency slide visible - on the B737-800 the slides can be used as floatation devices (like they did on Sullenberger's A320 ditching).
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:26 am

11 crew?
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:33 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Re-fleeting might be appropriate with the Embraer 190 for mid-haul routes (likely available from multiple airlines such as AC or AD, or lessors) and the A321neo for longer routes (the latter via lease) to Singapore, China, Australasia, and Japan.


Not too sure about re-fleeting, at least the 321, as they have ordered 4 737-MAX8. They should be offering enough range to serve the destinations you mentioned. Those are scheduled for delivery in 2020. Is there a chance that they would try to get an earlier delivery slot in exchange for ordering another one for later delivery, so that the fleet count evens out again?
For the shorter routes I could imagine that the question is once more Embraer E-Jet or Airbus A220. The Fokkers are quite old but the 70s only arrived over the last five years, so I would expect them to stay for a while.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:47 am

DominoxX wrote:
11 crew?


2 pilots + 4 F/A = 6 Crew

The 5 others were probably either positionning crew either crew off duty returning home or on vacation I believe, and as they were wearing their uniform they are counted as « CREW ». This seems the only logical reason for this « 11 crew » announced.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:47 am

Starlionblue wrote:
spacecadet wrote:
An767 wrote:
I think crash is a bit of overkill. The aircraft according to news reports the aircraft overshoot the runway during a landing attempt at 09.30am local this morning. No reports of weather at the time


Airplane in the water = crash. Not complicated.

Any time an airplane is not a) in the air, b) standing on its wheels, or at least c) resting (even without landing gear) on a designated clearway, it has crashed.

No different from a car. If your car is in the water, you've crashed.


Crash isn't an official term. In officialese it is an accident or an incident.


In India, they often use the word 'mishap'. Much gentler, although the media there can be just as hysterical as anywhere else. Just sayin'.... :twocents:
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:12 am

Dutchy wrote:
That is indeed not many, but the 11 crew seems like an overkill. According to regulations, it should be 1 stewardess on 50 passengers, right? So 2 pilots and 4 stewardesses = 6 crew.


Chances are there may have been some deadheading crews onboard that are included in the crewmember count. Furthermore, with remote island flying with multiple stops, it is not uncommon to have maintenance personnel on board as well...
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:38 am

FlyDeltaJets wrote:
An767 wrote:
I think crash is a bit of overkill. The aircraft according to news reports the aircraft overshoot the runway during a landing attempt at 09.30am local this morning. No reports of weather at the time .

AN767


Did not overshoot the runway. Landed (crashed) into lagoon short of the runway after possible hitting the sea wall.


Yup, seems it was never actually on the runway as such...….

http://avherald.com/h?article=4be42f25&opt=0
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:54 am

Sheesh, hot on the heels of the total hull loss of their Dash-8 in the Highlands. Wonder what their insurance premiums are like? Rhetorical question.
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:13 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
On the issue of load factors---this appears to be a last-minute equipment up-gauge (the route is usually flown with a Fokker F70---and for good reason, TKK and PNI each have only one 6,000-foot runway), although the crew amount is unusually high...should be no more than 6. As for this, at least everyone survived, although that was one of only 3 737s in their fleet. Re-fleeting might be appropriate with the Embraer 190 for mid-haul routes (likely available from multiple airlines such as AC or AD, or lessors) and the A321neo for longer routes (the latter via lease) to Singapore, China, Australasia, and Japan.


what is the problem with a 738 at TKK? The island hopper lands there everyday with a 738. As for the larger number of crew, this is most likely because of the hopping between the island, extra pilots, possibly technical people on board
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:14 am

Delta757MD88 wrote:
Looks like the aircraft is P2-PXE, a 13.5 year old 737-800 operated by Air Niugini. Previously operated for Air India Express and Jet Airways as VT-AXC and VT-JBT respectively. Had been operated by Air Niugini for five years.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... i/6MraCKLM

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/px73

The same aircraft was involved in a serious ground collision back in May 2018 this year! http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 20180512-1

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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:29 am

spacecadet wrote:
An767 wrote:
I think crash is a bit of overkill. The aircraft according to news reports the aircraft overshoot the runway during a landing attempt at 09.30am local this morning. No reports of weather at the time


Airplane in the water = crash. Not complicated.

Any time an airplane is not a) in the air, b) standing on its wheels, or at least c) resting (even without landing gear) on a designated clearway, it has crashed.

No different from a car. If your car is in the water, you've crashed.


If my car rolls down the beach into the sea I wouldn't call it a crash.

To my mind, a crash involves both impact and resulting damage to the vehicle or whatever it impacted. It is an onomatopoeic word, for goodness sake! You literally can't have a crash without a "CRASH!"...
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:36 am

I will be interesting to get the recorders out and played back. Unless there was some mx issue or wind gust or shear, sounds like the pilots made a serious miscalculation.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:20 am

From the AV Herald report it looks possible that possibly some of the runway lights and or ground landing assistance devices may not have been operating? Others have suggested bad weather, poor visibility and some sort of failure to set correct QNH resulted in aircraft descended into water.?

Anyway - good news that everyone got out in one piece.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:48 am

OlafW wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Re-fleeting might be appropriate with the Embraer 190 for mid-haul routes (likely available from multiple airlines such as AC or AD, or lessors) and the A321neo for longer routes (the latter via lease) to Singapore, China, Australasia, and Japan.


Not too sure about re-fleeting, at least the 321, as they have ordered 4 737-MAX8. They should be offering enough range to serve the destinations you mentioned. Those are scheduled for delivery in 2020. Is there a chance that they would try to get an earlier delivery slot in exchange for ordering another one for later delivery, so that the fleet count evens out again?
For the shorter routes I could imagine that the question is once more Embraer E-Jet or Airbus A220. The Fokkers are quite old but the 70s only arrived over the last five years, so I would expect them to stay for a while.


The Fokkers may be old, but PX is in a similar situation as HA is: what can reasonably replace this model that can withstand frequent cycles? PX has some very short domestic sectors because there are no roads between major cities. The B38Ms could likely replace the 767s as well...direct order or from a lessor?
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:38 pm

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spacecadet wrote:
An767 wrote:
I think crash is a bit of overkill. The aircraft according to news reports the aircraft overshoot the runway during a landing attempt at 09.30am local this morning. No reports of weather at the time


Airplane in the water = crash. Not complicated.

Any time an airplane is not a) in the air, b) standing on its wheels, or at least c) resting (even without landing gear) on a designated clearway, it has crashed.

No different from a car. If your car is in the water, you've crashed.


If my car rolls down the beach into the sea I wouldn't call it a crash.

To my mind, a crash involves both impact and resulting damage to the vehicle or whatever it impacted. It is an onomatopoeic word, for goodness sake! You literally can't have a crash without a "CRASH!"...


You think this plane “rolled into the sea”?
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:40 pm

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aemoreira1981 wrote:
On the issue of load factors---this appears to be a last-minute equipment up-gauge (the route is usually flown with a Fokker F70---and for good reason, TKK and PNI each have only one 6,000-foot runway), although the crew amount is unusually high...should be no more than 6. As for this, at least everyone survived, although that was one of only 3 737s in their fleet. Re-fleeting might be appropriate with the Embraer 190 for mid-haul routes (likely available from multiple airlines such as AC or AD, or lessors) and the A321neo for longer routes (the latter via lease) to Singapore, China, Australasia, and Japan.


what is the problem with a 738 at TKK? The island hopper lands there everyday with a 738. As for the larger number of crew, this is most likely because of the hopping between the island, extra pilots, possibly technical people on board


I’m also confused why the 737 would be a problem for this airport and also why this would cause them to have any interest in cancelling their 737MAX order and buying the A321neo. There are used 737s available on the market now.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:31 pm

[troll]I'm surprised that nobody ask the question yet, is the plane a write off? :duck: :duck: :duck: :duck: :duck: :duck: [/troll]

Glad that there are no casualties. The accident reminds me of the Lion Air "crash" at DPS a few years back. At least for island airports, if one land short of the runway, they're in the water, not hard ground or worse, some houses/businesses.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:45 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
blandy62 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
On the issue of load factors---this appears to be a last-minute equipment up-gauge (the route is usually flown with a Fokker F70---and for good reason, TKK and PNI each have only one 6,000-foot runway), although the crew amount is unusually high...should be no more than 6. As for this, at least everyone survived, although that was one of only 3 737s in their fleet. Re-fleeting might be appropriate with the Embraer 190 for mid-haul routes (likely available from multiple airlines such as AC or AD, or lessors) and the A321neo for longer routes (the latter via lease) to Singapore, China, Australasia, and Japan.


what is the problem with a 738 at TKK? The island hopper lands there everyday with a 738. As for the larger number of crew, this is most likely because of the hopping between the island, extra pilots, possibly technical people on board


I’m also confused why the 737 would be a problem for this airport and also why this would cause them to have any interest in cancelling their 737MAX order and buying the A321neo. There are used 737s available on the market now.


Because the brakes are garbage compared to the Airbus, and the 738 has high approach speeds which obviously does not complement a lack of effective braking.

1960s airplane being flown way, way too long in stretched versions.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:53 pm

goboeing wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
blandy62 wrote:

what is the problem with a 738 at TKK? The island hopper lands there everyday with a 738. As for the larger number of crew, this is most likely because of the hopping between the island, extra pilots, possibly technical people on board


I’m also confused why the 737 would be a problem for this airport and also why this would cause them to have any interest in cancelling their 737MAX order and buying the A321neo. There are used 737s available on the market now.


Because the brakes are garbage compared to the Airbus, and the 738 has high approach speeds which obviously does not complement a lack of effective braking.

1960s airplane being flown way, way too long in stretched versions.


If you actually lool at airplane performance data, a 737-800 can land at 130,000lbs on a 6000ft runway at sea level. The ACAPs have performance data for everyone to see.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:53 pm

goboeing wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
blandy62 wrote:

what is the problem with a 738 at TKK? The island hopper lands there everyday with a 738. As for the larger number of crew, this is most likely because of the hopping between the island, extra pilots, possibly technical people on board


I’m also confused why the 737 would be a problem for this airport and also why this would cause them to have any interest in cancelling their 737MAX order and buying the A321neo. There are used 737s available on the market now.


Because the brakes are garbage compared to the Airbus, and the 738 has high approach speeds which obviously does not complement a lack of effective braking.

1960s airplane being flown way, way too long in stretched versions.

Of course braking effectiveness and approach speed is meaningless if you don’t make it to the runway in the first place.
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:05 pm

From conversations I have had with a friend in the Lagoon, I understand a team from NZ is enroute to salvage the aircraft. My question is, after a salt water bath, what parts could possibly be salvaged from this bird?
 
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:16 pm

I remember reading about a JAL DC-8 which was put back in service after landing in San Francisco Bay. Wonder if the same could happen to this 737? Although the repair must be really pricey.
I wonder when people will understand:
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:28 pm

jetero wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
spacecadet wrote:

Airplane in the water = crash. Not complicated. [...] No different from a car. If your car is in the water, you've crashed.


If my car rolls down the beach into the sea I wouldn't call it a crash.

To my mind, a crash involves both impact and resulting damage to the vehicle or whatever it impacted. It is an onomatopoeic word, for goodness sake! You literally can't have a crash without a "CRASH!"...


You think this plane “rolled into the sea”?


1) I was responding to the idea that EVERY incident involving ANY vehicle not being where it should be is by definition "a crash", according to spacecadet. That is clearly false. He brought up "If your car is in the water, you've crashed", not me. In fact he goes even further and states that if an aircraft is not in the air, at rest or on a designated clearway then it has by definition "crashed".

2) An overrun into the sea would also not be a "crash" in my book unless there was significant water impact and associated damage. To be honest, from the pictures this might indeed fall into the not-crash category. It is, of course, still both an incident and an accident.
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Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:31 pm

The airport has breakwater barriers on either end. Hitting these would typically split the aircraft into multiple pieces similar to other 737 overruns, AA in KIN and BW in GEO come to mind. It appears they landed straight in the lagoon.

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