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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:31 am

Although the Western Sydney Airport is years away from being opened, I wanted to discuss the following

1) I assume SYD is slot restricted, if so, what impact does a new local airport have on the sale price of slots?. Any examples from around the world to compare? I realize that Western Sydney may not decrease demand at SYD and may be a target for LCC and limited QF/VA operations to begin with so might have no impact at all.
2) When are the IATA codes selected? Any guesses at what it could be?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:34 am

1 - the SYD slots dont seem to transact for much as far as I am aware (but am open to correction) so no impact i would think.
2 - SWZ was selected some time ago.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:55 am

Last thread it was mentioned that ADL will EK downgrade to 77L, during the times the 77L is scheduled ADL will receive the recently refurbished 77L 2 class product

https://www.ausbt.com.au/adelaide-to-ge ... lass-seats
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:30 am

gpasternak wrote:
I assume SYD is slot restricted, if so, what impact does a new local airport have on the sale price of slots?. Any examples from around the world to compare? I realize that Western Sydney may not decrease demand at SYD and may be a target for LCC and limited QF/VA operations to begin with so might have no impact at all.


You can’t buy/sell SYD slots, they can only be granted by the Slot Manager. If you no longer want to utilise a slot then it is returned to the pool and other airlines can apply for it, during peak periods there is a wait list and priority is generally given to new entrants.
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:40 am

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gpasternak wrote:
I assume SYD is slot restricted, if so, what impact does a new local airport have on the sale price of slots?. Any examples from around the world to compare? I realize that Western Sydney may not decrease demand at SYD and may be a target for LCC and limited QF/VA operations to begin with so might have no impact at all.


You can’t buy/sell SYD slots, they can only be granted by the Slot Manager. If you no longer want to utilise a slot then it is returned to the pool and other airlines can apply for it, during peak periods there is a wait list and priority is generally given to new entrants.


My understanding is only LHR Slots can be purchased. Most other slots are allocated through IATA principles, and swapped at the annual IATA slot conference. ACA - Airport Coordination Australia manages Australian slots.

Historical slots are also held, and if you fail to operate the slot 80% of the year, or you have dire OTP you loose your slot.

I think more interesting is potential for MOM and 73-10 to release more runway slots. But the terminal and apron are also slot constrained - slots are a combination of all three. For instance ADL is slot constrained in the peak due to terminal capacity!!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:25 am

Another forum on here is reporting on the closure of the EY lounge at LHR.

If they are closing LHR surely the MEL/SYD lounges must be at some risk? Do EY operate any other lounges in Australia?

Could this be an opportunity for QF to finally move their MEL lounge to a better spot and take advantage of the distressed EY situation?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:39 am

smi0006 wrote:
qf002 wrote:
gpasternak wrote:
I assume SYD is slot restricted, if so, what impact does a new local airport have on the sale price of slots?. Any examples from around the world to compare? I realize that Western Sydney may not decrease demand at SYD and may be a target for LCC and limited QF/VA operations to begin with so might have no impact at all.


You can’t buy/sell SYD slots, they can only be granted by the Slot Manager. If you no longer want to utilise a slot then it is returned to the pool and other airlines can apply for it, during peak periods there is a wait list and priority is generally given to new entrants.


My understanding is only LHR Slots can be purchased. Most other slots are allocated through IATA principles, and swapped at the annual IATA slot conference. ACA - Airport Coordination Australia manages Australian slots.

Historical slots are also held, and if you fail to operate the slot 80% of the year, or you have dire OTP you loose your slot.

I think more interesting is potential for MOM and 73-10 to release more runway slots. But the terminal and apron are also slot constrained - slots are a combination of all three. For instance ADL is slot constrained in the peak due to terminal capacity!!



Ah ok. Thanks guys. Mistakenly thought it would have operated like LHR and didn't consider the contribution aprons would have either.
Need to ask though...what did you mean by MOM and 73-10?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:06 pm

QF742 wrote:
Another forum on here is reporting on the closure of the EY lounge at LHR.

If they are closing LHR surely the MEL/SYD lounges must be at some risk? Do EY operate any other lounges in Australia?

Could this be an opportunity for QF to finally move their MEL lounge to a better spot and take advantage of the distressed EY situation?


I had thought the same thing.

There were a few whispers around that QR might be another airline on the hunt for lounge space , which may well be an option they can look at for SYD today, and if can manage to get more rights, I would expect MEL to also be on their radar for space too.

QF would seem a far more logical option though for current needs, which would certainly be a vast improvement over their MEL business lounge now.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:22 pm

Both QF9 PER-LHR and QF10 PER-MEL have had aircraft switched today.

ZNA operated QF9 MEL-PER (arrived on time) then turned around to do QF10 PER-MEL (departed about 1 hour ago, 5 hours behind schedule). It appears that ZNA may have an issue with it as staying well over land heading in a NE direction just near Laverton currently

ZNF arrived in PER from LHR as QF10 and is operating the QF9 PER-LHR, both legs operated on schedule
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:02 pm

QF742 wrote:
Another forum on here is reporting on the closure of the EY lounge at LHR.

If they are closing LHR surely the MEL/SYD lounges must be at some risk? Do EY operate any other lounges in Australia?

Could this be an opportunity for QF to finally move their MEL lounge to a better spot and take advantage of the distressed EY situation?


It looks like EY closing down lounges at SYD and MEL is just a matter of time

https://twitter.com/AusBT/status/1047101037079715840
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:14 pm

All depends on contracts and if anyone is willing to take it over as seemingly has happened in MAN and LHR.

Doubt SYD needs another third party lounge with Amex and Skyteam, unless VA takes it.

For MEL even tougher though a great location. Could QF convince EK to give up their adjacent spot and make a combined EK/QF Business lounge?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:24 pm

QF has applied to the IASC for an additional 1250 seats to Indonesia. Coming from the upgauging of aircraft (B737 > A330) and additional services by QF or JQ.

http://iasc.gov.au/applications/index.aspx#Indo1

This increase is probably targeted at DPS which doesn't surprise me. QF are getting strong loads and the upgauge will probably lead to better economics, considering QF block as many as 35 seats on the westbound leg.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:39 pm

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This increase is probably targeted at DPS which doesn't surprise me. QF are getting strong loads and the upgauge will probably lead to better economics, considering QF block as many as 35 seats on the westbound leg.


Might also be related to 737 pilot issues given the fairly late notice.
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:53 pm

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getluv wrote:
This increase is probably targeted at DPS which doesn't surprise me. QF are getting strong loads and the upgauge will probably lead to better economics, considering QF block as many as 35 seats on the westbound leg.


Might also be related to 737 pilot issues given the fairly late notice.


Possibly, however QF have announced summer/seasonal increases at short notice before. The increase could also suggest that sales this summer are looking good. Mind you, JQ are sending out full 787s to DPS on a nearly daily basis even in low season.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:08 pm

getluv wrote:
QF has applied to the IASC for an additional 1250 seats to Indonesia. Coming from the upgauging of aircraft (B737 > A330) and additional services by QF or JQ.

http://iasc.gov.au/applications/index.aspx#Indo1

This increase is probably targeted at DPS which doesn't surprise me. QF are getting strong loads and the upgauge will probably lead to better economics, considering QF block as many as 35 seats on the westbound leg.


Adding Brisbane maybe?
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:19 pm

Would love to see them return on PER-DPS but doubt that’s going to happen with the pilot shortage.
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:20 pm

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All depends on contracts and if anyone is willing to take it over as seemingly has happened in MAN and LHR.

Doubt SYD needs another third party lounge with Amex and Skyteam, unless VA takes it.

For MEL even tougher though a great location. Could QF convince EK to give up their adjacent spot and make a combined EK/QF Business lounge?


I doubt EK would give up their location. But surely Mahabha would want to move (or be envouraged) to the old QF location for cheaper rent, they are EK rebranded. EY + Mahabha would be a good size.

VA with the Tasman, DPS, NAN, HKG and LAX.

Or maybe EY makes enough money off selling access to VA the lounges are profitable in Aus?
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:54 pm

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QF has applied to the IASC for an additional 1250 seats to Indonesia. Coming from the upgauging of aircraft (B737 > A330) and additional services by QF or JQ.

http://iasc.gov.au/applications/index.aspx#Indo1

This increase is probably targeted at DPS which doesn't surprise me. QF are getting strong loads and the upgauge will probably lead to better economics, considering QF block as many as 35 seats on the westbound leg.


Interesting the application mentions in conjunction with EK, I assume will be codeshare on both sides.
 
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:49 pm

smi0006 wrote:
getluv wrote:
QF has applied to the IASC for an additional 1250 seats to Indonesia. Coming from the upgauging of aircraft (B737 > A330) and additional services by QF or JQ.

http://iasc.gov.au/applications/index.aspx#Indo1

This increase is probably targeted at DPS which doesn't surprise me. QF are getting strong loads and the upgauge will probably lead to better economics, considering QF block as many as 35 seats on the westbound leg.


Interesting the application mentions in conjunction with EK, I assume will be codeshare on both sides.


QF made an application last year offering EK.codeshares on JQ services to/from Indonesia.
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Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:55 pm

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Would love to see them return on PER-DPS but doubt that’s going to happen with the pilot shortage.


Given the amount of capacity on route already plus the seat availability, QF are better serving DPS elsewhere
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:24 am

BITRE figures available for July

PER-LHR

Inbound 5041 68.90%LF
Outbound 4669 63.81%LF

MEL-LHR
Inbound 1998 27.31%LF
Outbound 2053 28.06%LF

Overall
Inbound 7039 96.21%LF
Outbound 6722 91.88%LF

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1807.pdf
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:29 am

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BITRE figures available for July

PER-LHR

Inbound 5041 68.90%LF
Outbound 4669 63.81%LF

MEL-LHR
Inbound 1998 27.31%LF
Outbound 2053 28.06%LF

Overall
Inbound 7039 96.21%LF
Outbound 6722 91.88%LF

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1807.pdf


Very impressive, of course July is peak time along with Christmas/New Year Period
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:59 am

Just came across an interesting Video of the AN225 flight to Perth a while back , bit like a trip report from some German reporter chick. It is from a German mob, but in English, with her sexy accent. Maybe of interest to some of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aIzARbiyN0
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:10 am

WA has seen interstate tourism grow 11.3% in 17/18 financial year compared to same previous corresponding period, this of course is good news for flights into/out of PER

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/touris ... b88979491z
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:27 am

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Singapore Airlines' load factors for July are very high to both SIN and WLG... 94% inbound load factor ex-SIN.

Some highlights from BNE:

AC to YVR
Inbound: 90.1%
Outbound: 86.3%

EY to AUH - Presuming 789 all month but may have been one or two 77W
Inbound: 97.9%
Outbound: 77.3%

PR to MNL
Inbound: 97.8%
Outbound: 84.5%

KE to ICN
Inbound: 95.7%
Outbound: 65.8%
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:28 am

I read in another discussion on here that AC will increase YVR- MEL to 4x weekly from NS19. There was no link to a source though. Is anyone able to confirm? If true, great to see AC increasing flights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:03 am

EVA to deploy 787-9 to BNE sometime next year which will replace A333 (which will replace existing A332)...

Source: https://www.ausbt.com.au/eva-air-s-boei ... o-brisbane
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:09 am

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Just came across an interesting Video of the AN225 flight to Perth a while back , bit like a trip report from some German reporter chick. It is from a German mob, but in English, with her sexy accent. Maybe of interest to some of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aIzARbiyN0


I like the way you wrote that, not even a moments thought that this forum contains female participants who might just be rolling their eyes right now at the objectification of “chick” and having a “sexy accent”.

Not wanting to start something, just calling it out.
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:09 am

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I read in another discussion on here that AC will increase YVR- MEL to 4x weekly from NS19. There was no link to a source though. Is anyone able to confirm? If true, great to see AC increasing flights.


Flights increase to x4 weekly from 28OCT indefinitely, days also change, flights will now operate on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday.
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:11 pm

ABC and other media outlets are reporting a United Airlines flight did a mayday call on the basis of low fuel:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-04/s ... l/10336766

The affected flight was reported to be UA839.
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:13 pm

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ABC and other media outlets are reporting a United Airlines flight did a mayday call on the basis of low fuel:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-04/s ... l/10336766

The affected flight was reported to be UA839.


Just saw that too. Unusual to be coming in low on fuel. Anything happen enroute?
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:59 pm

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cpd wrote:
ABC and other media outlets are reporting a United Airlines flight did a mayday call on the basis of low fuel:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-04/s ... l/10336766

The affected flight was reported to be UA839.


Just saw that too. Unusual to be coming in low on fuel. Anything happen enroute?



Not sure if the specific cause is known just yet. Channel seven originally reported it being an issue with dry ice. This article from Channel nine suggests that dry ice wasn't the major issue and on lookers noted strong fumes coming from plane. I guess time will tell.
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:04 pm

QF37/38 has been cancelled again yesterday and Tuesday. That is 3 weeks in a row when these flights have failed to operate on Tuesday and Wednesday. It would be interesting to know what is causing this, shortage of A330s, low bookings etc. I'm booked on QF37 next Tuesday so have a personal interest and expecting a call telling me I've been rebooked elsewhere.(probably EK405).
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:28 pm

Richard Branson is coming to town this month (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/ric ... 507ad.html), wonder if VA will take advantage of him being here to launch the B737 ‘Perth Product’ flatbeds? Branson is a real media magnet and VA would get a lot more media coverage for that launch than they would get without him.
 
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:51 pm

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QF37/38 has been cancelled again yesterday and Tuesday. That is 3 weeks in a row when these flights have failed to operate on Tuesday and Wednesday. It would be interesting to know what is causing this, shortage of A330s, low bookings etc. I'm booked on QF37 next Tuesday so have a personal interest and expecting a call telling me I've been rebooked elsewhere.(probably EK405).


There isnt a shortage of A330's, there has been 1 A330 sit on the ground at PER the past 2 days, Tuesday it was an A333 and yesterday it was an A332 (EBA to be precise). I would say that bookings are not as high on those days resulting in cancellations.
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Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:59 pm

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Richard Branson is coming to town this month (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/ric ... 507ad.html), wonder if VA will take advantage of him being here to launch the B737 ‘Perth Product’ flatbeds? Branson is a real media magnet and VA would get a lot more media coverage for that launch than they would get without him.


Personally I dont think we will see what is dubbed the "Perth Product" on the 737MAX8, its more likely to appear on the 737MAX10 primarily because putting it on the 737MAX8 will result in the loss of economy seats which is probably more important to VA that if it were QF. Additionally if they were to introduce such a product I would it to be launched in either MEL or PER instead as they get the majority of the A332 services. Additionally I actually see the need of keeping A332's on domestic flights to PER, VA does not have a problem filling them up.
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:01 am

All makes sense except that a third of VA’s A330 fleet is already committed to international flights to HKG and with each Asian expansion that number drops, meaning fewer A330s on domestic routes, and while a 737MAX subfleet would be a great coupe for transcon can VA wait that long, until end of 2019, for Perth Product? By then I’d expect half their A330 fleet to be tied up with Asia routes. Maybe VA need to get more A330s via lease?
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:50 am

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redroo wrote:
cpd wrote:
ABC and other media outlets are reporting a United Airlines flight did a mayday call on the basis of low fuel:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-04/s ... l/10336766

The affected flight was reported to be UA839.


Just saw that too. Unusual to be coming in low on fuel. Anything happen enroute?



Not sure if the specific cause is known just yet. Channel seven originally reported it being an issue with dry ice. This article from Channel nine suggests that dry ice wasn't the major issue and on lookers noted strong fumes coming from plane. I guess time will tell.
https://www.9news.com.au/2018/10/04/07/ ... ayday-call


Lack of fuel is indeed pretty unusual. And I can't see how they wouldn't know that fuel would be critical in advance, given all the computer systems on these planes now.

We shall see what has caused it in time.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:08 am

I've just listened to the recordings from liveatc - info is a bit patchy due to the quality of the recording (because of the distance UA839 was from YSSY when it declared - it was still at 410 and 135nm from YWLM). However, YMML issued a SIGMET about 10-15 minutes before the first time the 'issue' with UA839 was raised in the recording (at which point UA839 is offered YWLM, hence my earlier reference to its position relative to YWLM). Reading between the lines, one would assume YMML was the planned alternate for UA839 and the crew / UA Ops elected not to nominate another alternate, and instead declare mayday and continue for YSSY. Going on through the recording, UA839 is offered (several times) options including track shortening and a Runway 25 landing, but declines each and every offer - so the situation can't have been critical, and the declaration therefore most likely purely procedural.

As an aside, QF829 followed UA839 onto Runway 16R and was asked if they could accept a little more track lengthening, to which they replied in the affirmative, stating "we have the fuel."

Reference to United saying there was a mechanical issue could also indicate a fault, the result of which being that the system was unable to draw from some portion of the remaining fuel and therefore, technically, the reserves start to be burnt.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:23 am

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CraigAnderson wrote:
Richard Branson is coming to town this month (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/ric ... 507ad.html), wonder if VA will take advantage of him being here to launch the B737 ‘Perth Product’ flatbeds? Branson is a real media magnet and VA would get a lot more media coverage for that launch than they would get without him.


Personally I dont think we will see what is dubbed the "Perth Product" on the 737MAX8, its more likely to appear on the 737MAX10 primarily because putting it on the 737MAX8 will result in the loss of economy seats which is probably more important to VA that if it were QF. Additionally if they were to introduce such a product I would it to be launched in either MEL or PER instead as they get the majority of the A332 services. Additionally I actually see the need of keeping A332's on domestic flights to PER, VA does not have a problem filling them up.


Hopefully not just an PER product - but all flights over 3hours.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:53 am

qf789 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Richard Branson is coming to town this month (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/ric ... 507ad.html), wonder if VA will take advantage of him being here to launch the B737 ‘Perth Product’ flatbeds? Branson is a real media magnet and VA would get a lot more media coverage for that launch than they would get without him.


Personally I dont think we will see what is dubbed the "Perth Product" on the 737MAX8, its more likely to appear on the 737MAX10 primarily because putting it on the 737MAX8 will result in the loss of economy seats which is probably more important to VA that if it were QF. Additionally if they were to introduce such a product I would it to be launched in either MEL or PER instead as they get the majority of the A332 services. Additionally I actually see the need of keeping A332's on domestic flights to PER, VA does not have a problem filling them up.


SRB could be coming to SYD for any number of reasons, some of them having nothing to do with VA. It may be he is just coming for the presentation referenced in the SMH article. He could also be coming for another Virgin business. Even it it is VA related, it could be announcement of appointment of new CEO (unlikely at this stage and I don't know if he would be present anyway), new Asian route (possible), or new domestic destination (possible). I agree it is unlikely that the new 737 J class will be announced as yet but would be happy to be proved wrong.

I doubt VA is actively looking for more leased A330s at this stage. They have had plenty of opportunities to source them already with owners HNA and EY both having RR powered A332s available for sale or lease. VA also had a bad experience with the "pre-loved" ex-EK A332s so would probably want to look very carefully before accepting any similar future proposal.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:44 am

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QF has applied to the IASC for an additional 1250 seats to Indonesia. Coming from the upgauging of aircraft (B737 > A330) and additional services by QF or JQ.

http://iasc.gov.au/applications/index.aspx#Indo1

This increase is probably targeted at DPS which doesn't surprise me. QF are getting strong loads and the upgauge will probably lead to better economics, considering QF block as many as 35 seats on the westbound leg.

I'd love to see this happen. Myself and Mrs qf2048 finally got brave after visiting all the Pacific island holiday destinations and decided to go to Bali in May this year. We loved it and will defiantly be going back.
We took QF 43/44. both fights were full both ways. We booked the exit rows both ways which made a big difference. I wondered to myself weather they would be able to fill a A332 or would it be too much? The JQ departs SYD at exactly the same time and i'm sure it's always full too (although it was delayed 1.5 that day:)
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:19 am

Was just looking at the QF and VA loads in the BITRE charts - can anyone explain why outbound flights for both carriers have substantially less pax than for inbound? What would cause this? Notably QF's Japan flights and VA's Hong Kong services. Seems an odd outcome.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:17 am

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Was just looking at the QF and VA loads in the BITRE charts - can anyone explain why outbound flights for both carriers have substantially less pax than for inbound? What would cause this? Notably QF's Japan flights and VA's Hong Kong services. Seems an odd outcome.


While I dont know why QF flights ended up like that VA's flights, more SYD-HKG rather than MEL-HKG as the latter had quite even loads in and out for the month were due to the number of passengers coming in as part of Chinese tour groups, in other words apart from the first few days of the service loads were high inbound and weaker outbound, the outbound loads have now improved significantly and are more even with the inbound loads
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:08 am

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CraigAnderson wrote:
Richard Branson is coming to town this month (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/ric ... 507ad.html), wonder if VA will take advantage of him being here to launch the B737 ‘Perth Product’ flatbeds? Branson is a real media magnet and VA would get a lot more media coverage for that launch than they would get without him.


Personally I dont think we will see what is dubbed the "Perth Product" on the 737MAX8, its more likely to appear on the 737MAX10 primarily because putting it on the 737MAX8 will result in the loss of economy seats which is probably more important to VA that if it were QF. Additionally if they were to introduce such a product I would it to be launched in either MEL or PER instead as they get the majority of the A332 services. Additionally I actually see the need of keeping A332's on domestic flights to PER, VA does not have a problem filling them up.



Luckily just flew on Silk Air new 737Max in last few days was brilliant. Huge amount of room in their business class. Be interesting how VA do it. Tacked on the SQ 787-10 on the same day, I was happy!!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:21 am

qf789 wrote:
aerokiwi wrote:
Was just looking at the QF and VA loads in the BITRE charts - can anyone explain why outbound flights for both carriers have substantially less pax than for inbound? What would cause this? Notably QF's Japan flights and VA's Hong Kong services. Seems an odd outcome.


While I dont know why QF flights ended up like that VA's flights, more SYD-HKG rather than MEL-HKG as the latter had quite even loads in and out for the month were due to the number of passengers coming in as part of Chinese tour groups, in other words apart from the first few days of the service loads were high inbound and weaker outbound, the outbound loads have now improved significantly and are more even with the inbound loads


Its also a month thing your looking at July i'd assume its likely a lot of people leave around the end of June and return in July - inline with school holidays and the peak Northern Hemisphere summer
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:53 pm

Speculating, could SBR have a lounge announcement with VA, positioning the way VS in LHR is a significant lounge within the VS network with a potential new lounge for VA in SYD if another airline was to close their lounge in SYD and/or MEL.
Just a stab in the dark.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:53 pm

QF94 Lax - Mel is diverting to Brisbane this morning , fuel / medical ?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2018

Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:29 am

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QF94 Lax - Mel is diverting to Brisbane this morning , fuel / medical ?

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It was a medical diversion. Apparently a passenger suffered a stroke inflight.
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