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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:40 am

Not as entertaining as the "expand EXE to replace LHR" fantasy. Artwork and sci-fi options were better in the EXE thread.

The only way LGA could expand is to hire Toyota to build an "NGO runway" in Flushing Bay.
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:17 am

Come on, you're still not trying.

Rework your idea to fit in Central Park so it's a true airport for New York.
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:37 am

PlymSpotter wrote:
Come on, you're still not trying.

Rework your idea to fit in Central Park so it's a true airport for New York.


Ah yes, and please include a draft of an approach chart. I want to see A380's threading through Midtown :lol:
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:25 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
Come on, you're still not trying.

Rework your idea to fit in Central Park so it's a true airport for New York.



someone did it 10 years ago
http://manhattanairport.org/
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:36 pm

flyinghippo wrote:
A+ for creativity and quality of whatever you're smoking.

F for reality.

TBH - it should be JFK that gets the major expansion, not LGA. It's already bigger than LGA so there will be less land to acquire/fill. Plus the closing of LGA would free up air traffic around JFK/EWR to better utilize their runways.


Not that any of this would happen but this is the more likely opportunity. Bulldose LGA, sell the land, use the proceeds to build better connections to JFK & EWR...rail and roadway. Heck, looking at a map, I'm curious if you could redo the terminals at EWR to add another 4/22. Maybe get rid of some of the parking, although that probably generates a lot of revenue.
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:42 pm

neomax wrote:
I don't think this is realistic at all, that said, there is no way that it displaces more than a few thousand people at best. NY is big but its not that big. Some of the estimates on here about tens of thousands or 100K people are ridiculous and borderline absurd.


Google Maps recently changed their API, so the map tool doesn't work as well as it used to, but try this: https://www.freemaptools.com/find-population.htm

I draw a map (just of Queens - not even looking to the part of the Bronx required for re-channeling the river) that includes the area north of Grand Central Parkway/Astoria Blvd, and west of 678. The population that would be displaced from the area above is estimated at 268,804.

Displacing a quarter-million people! Not only is that a political non-starter, the sheer cost of acquiring that land is enormous.
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:45 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
flyinghippo wrote:
A+ for creativity and quality of whatever you're smoking.

F for reality.

TBH - it should be JFK that gets the major expansion, not LGA. It's already bigger than LGA so there will be less land to acquire/fill. Plus the closing of LGA would free up air traffic around JFK/EWR to better utilize their runways.


Not that any of this would happen but this is the more likely opportunity. Bulldose LGA, sell the land, use the proceeds to build better connections to JFK & EWR...rail and roadway. Heck, looking at a map, I'm curious if you could redo the terminals at EWR to add another 4/22. Maybe get rid of some of the parking, although that probably generates a lot of revenue.


I'm going be the complete contrarian and say neither JFK nor LHR need expansion.

Both have their passenger numbers (particularly LHR) massively boosted by connections and it's easy enough to just run connections elsewhere. EWR could have way more capacity with UA running a more point to point model and routing more connections through IAD (that COULD use an expansion). Just like LHR could route to other European hubs and IAG has DUB and MAD to serve the purpose just as well. Clearly you couldn't do either overnight but slowly shifting the focus would increase yields for more O/D and keep the locals happy.
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:48 pm

neomax wrote:
I don't think this is realistic at all, that said, there is no way that it displaces more than a few thousand people at best. NY is big but its not that big. Some of the estimates on here about tens of thousands or 100K people are ridiculous and borderline absurd.


What it gods name are you talking about. The map that was drawn easily is in the 10k+ people range at minimum. I would figure it could approach 100k.

Now if the plan is to simultaneously close JFK, then I guess that's where they go, but those would then be two civic projects more suited to SimCity than reality.
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:57 pm

chunhimlai wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
Come on, you're still not trying.

Rework your idea to fit in Central Park so it's a true airport for New York.



someone did it 10 years ago
http://manhattanairport.org/

Lmao with this plan.
Are you going to demolish all the skyscrapers in midtown?
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:12 pm

Guys, please. In one thread the OP proposed a 15 runway layout for the San Francisco bay and in another one he wanted "A new coast airport in Lower bay to replace JFK
LGA closed and EWR convert to domestic only".

Just check his post history on a.net.
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:57 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Try putting a circle around NYC and find a “middle of nowhere” within 135km of the city. Actually, doing so, makes central NJ (motto: Embrace Being a NIMBY) look about right. Certainly, CT isn’t possible (too rich or too far), eastern PA is too far and hilly for large airport development, so Pine Barrens is the place.


There's a fair amount of middle-of-nowhere within 100 km of NYC in western Putnam, northwestern Rockland, and southern Orange counties, but the terrain is so rugged (and most of the land is protected as parks) that a large airport would be near-impossible to build. It'd be doable in Orange County west of Newburgh (i.e. expanding SWF) but that's basically why the Stewart State Forest exists: to block the expansion of SWF.

The cost of building rail and road infrastructure out there sufficient for a large international airport would be astronomical.
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:14 pm

Regardless of the impact on property owners and people who live in the area, can you imagine what the environmental impact studies would come up with to stop the project?
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:35 pm

In New York City just adding a floor to a townhouse is akin to going to war. You will fight your neighbors, the City, the State and the UN! Imagine adding area to LGA.
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:07 pm

The RPA did a report on somewhat more realistic expansion options for NYC area airports.
http://library.rpa.org/pdf/RPA-Upgrading-to-World-Class-Revisited.pdf
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:31 pm

Guys he’s a troll look at the previous threads he’s made
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:32 pm

ScottB wrote:
The cost of building rail and road infrastructure out there sufficient for a large international airport would be astronomical.


And still sooner or later it will be needed. Besides, it'll still be cheaper than demolishing half the city in order to expand the current airports.

If done a bit smart you could build a high speed rail line from Stewart airport to downtown New York without having to demolish anything. Just think about Bangkok where the express train to the airport was built above the existing regulair railway line. There's a railway line from Hoboken to Salisbury Mills. That railway line itself isn't important, it can remain as it is. But just like in Bangkok you can build another railway line on top of it which can be extended to the airport.

Image

On this picture, downstairs is the old railway line. Up on the pillars is the new one. Why can't this be done in New York?
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:58 pm

Honestly I’ve always wondered/thought that If the port authority of NY would build a monorail or train that connects all the 3 airports EWR/LGA/JFK and add a few strategic stops in there to offer better connections between airports as well as offer better transportation to the airports it would be a nice bonus.
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:13 pm

FARmd90 wrote:
Honestly I’ve always wondered/thought that If the port authority of NY would build a monorail or train that connects all the 3 airports EWR/LGA/JFK and add a few strategic stops in there to offer better connections between airports as well as offer better transportation to the airports it would be a nice bonus.


A monorail can't use any of the subway system. Elevated trains however could be used to connect with the subway system. If there were connections between all those airports with express trains to Penn Station, It would greatly improve connection of the city to the airports.
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:18 pm

There's definitely a case to be made for extending the AirTrain from Jamaica to LGA. It would make the peculiar LGA AirTrain project to Willets Point much more useful. It would allow Delta to sell easy connections between the two airports. You'd have to reclear security, but travel time would probably be under 30 minutes between the two. What kind of connections could they then sell? 90 minute?
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:52 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
If done a bit smart you could build a high speed rail line from Stewart airport to downtown New York without having to demolish anything. Just think about Bangkok where the express train to the airport was built above the existing regulair railway line. There's a railway line from Hoboken to Salisbury Mills. That railway line itself isn't important, it can remain as it is. But just like in Bangkok you can build another railway line on top of it which can be extended to the airport.

Image

On this picture, downstairs is the old railway line. Up on the pillars is the new one. Why can't this be done in New York?


Well,for one, Hoboken isn't NYC. Tunneling under the Hudson to connect to lower Manhattan would cost billions. Also, the right-of-way you've identified won't really support high-speed service; it's too curvy. Even with upgraded tracks and express service, you'd be lucky if the train ride were under an hour each way. A rail line ending in Lower Manhattan and passing through northern NJ also poorly serves much of the metro area. Areas on Long Island which are now under half an hour from JFK would be upwards of two hours from an expanded SWF -- either by road or train.
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:11 pm

master14225 wrote:
Next the OP will post about building 8 runways at YTZ and close YYZ for good.


LOL
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:30 am

master14225 wrote:
Next the OP will post about building 8 runways at YTZ and close YYZ for good.


In fact building a new airport on Lake Ontario to replace YYZ is better than Pickering Airport
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:44 pm

OP would probably stop making these posts if people would stop swallowing the bait and begging for more.
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:16 am

I have a hunch the XNA and Austin people are drooling over the OP's plan and would figure those airports should be transformed similarly :lol:
 
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Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:06 am

neomax wrote:
I don't think this is realistic at all, that said, there is no way that it displaces more than a few thousand people at best. NY is big but its not that big. Some of the estimates on here about tens of thousands or 100K people are ridiculous and borderline absurd.


There are 10,000 people on Rikers Island alone....

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