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Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:18 am

Qatar Airways CEO has said they will pull out of the OneWorld Alliance if certain partner airlines, namely American Airlines and Qantas continue with unfounded accusations and blocking tactics

On American Airlines

But I don’t think that is any more the spirit of the alliance, especially since American Airlines is continuously targeting Qatar Airways, slandering Qatar Airways, giving misinformation to the US government about Qatar Airways. And now it is targeting our investment in Air Italy at very high level government interaction, claiming that we are cheating on the open-skies agreement that we signed with the US government.”
Asked abut the situation a spokesperson for the US carrier says: “American is a founding member of Oneworld and we hope the alliance’s membership remains intact."


On Qantas

Al Baker is also unhappy with Qantas’s behaviour, which has an extensive tie-up with Gulf rival Emirates while its relationship with Qatar is “trivial”, he says. “And it is blocking us getting rights into Australia. So what is the point of us being in this alliance if it is only in the interest of a few and the interest of the rest is compromised?”


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... dr-452491/

Could be interesting to watch!
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:21 am

Makes sense. If QR will be treated differently from other airlines due to political reasons it makes no sense for them to continue under OW or any other alliance.
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:48 am

AAB does this once a year. Just a temper tantrum that he will get over.

AA has a tie up with EY and QR with B6. Just the nature of the business these days.
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:00 am

No, AA lacks any tie ups with any Gulf carrier.
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:07 am

Airlines0613 wrote:
No, AA lacks any tie ups with any Gulf carrier.
AA?

Thought GF has a code sharing agreement with AA?
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:09 am

Honestly the only US partner airlines that never causes problems is either B6 or AS. If maybe they did additional US demand traffic through Canadian hubs by partnering with either AC or WS, then they would probably increase QR more landing rights into Canada to meet extra US traffic demand. AS or WS would benefit a lot from QR pax traffic into their hubs transferring onto their flights to the US and this just leaves AA as the sore loser.
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:10 am

Airlines0613 wrote:
No, AA lacks any tie ups with any Gulf carrier.


https://www.aa.com/i18n/aadvantage-prog ... rlines.jsp

Etihad is right there . So, yes they do.
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:10 am

sierra3tango wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
No, AA lacks any tie ups with any Gulf carrier.
AA?

Thought GF has a code sharing agreement with AA?

I think that ended
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:12 am

stl07 wrote:
sierra3tango wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
No, AA lacks any tie ups with any Gulf carrier.
AA?

Thought GF has a code sharing agreement with AA?

I think that ended


Yes. It ended April 30th, 2018.

AA still allows earning and redeeming miles on Etihad though.
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:54 am

The Qantas/Emirates partnership has been wound back over time, with QF returning to Singapore, plus Project Sunrise on the horizon offering longhaul flights ex-Australia to Europe (and of course Perth already has the PER - LHR route). I don't see why QF wouldn't, after Project Sunrise and perhaps some expansion ex. PER, end the arrangement with Emirates and use Qatar for the low-yield connecting traffic to secondary European cities instead. Unless they specifically want coverage of Dubai too (given Dubai's tourism and finance horsepower), Qatar would probably be a better choice from QF's perspective.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:23 am

I think it's normal that airlines, even if formally allied, may have conflicting interests sometimes (see LH and TK for instance). Probably AA and QR will never be "close friends", but it's part of the game, and AAB likes his voice to be heard. I don't think he really intends quitting OW.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:30 am

Ahhh yes best way to work with your partners, publicly slag them off and threaten to walk away. Certainly not how I’d operate.... the man has no leadership simply realise on hierarchy- he’ll learn the hard way AA and QF won’t cave. He thinks they were blockers before this statement... wait until now.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:32 am

I bet my gold-plated Rolls Royce he will do nothing. Dogs that bark seldom bite.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:36 am

StudiodeKadent wrote:
The Qantas/Emirates partnership has been wound back over time, with QF returning to Singapore, plus Project Sunrise on the horizon offering longhaul flights ex-Australia to Europe (and of course Perth already has the PER - LHR route). I don't see why QF wouldn't, after Project Sunrise and perhaps some expansion ex. PER, end the arrangement with Emirates and use Qatar for the low-yield connecting traffic to secondary European cities instead. Unless they specifically want coverage of Dubai too (given Dubai's tourism and finance horsepower), Qatar would probably be a better choice from QF's perspective.


Not so fast. You are completely ignoring the extensive revenue sharing arrangements in place between QF and EK and which both have stated have worked well for them. The reality is that the arrangement with EK contributes greatly to QF’s finances. QF will not walk away from that.
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:00 am

vhtje wrote:
StudiodeKadent wrote:
The Qantas/Emirates partnership has been wound back over time, with QF returning to Singapore, plus Project Sunrise on the horizon offering longhaul flights ex-Australia to Europe (and of course Perth already has the PER - LHR route). I don't see why QF wouldn't, after Project Sunrise and perhaps some expansion ex. PER, end the arrangement with Emirates and use Qatar for the low-yield connecting traffic to secondary European cities instead. Unless they specifically want coverage of Dubai too (given Dubai's tourism and finance horsepower), Qatar would probably be a better choice from QF's perspective.


Not so fast. You are completely ignoring the extensive revenue sharing arrangements in place between QF and EK and which both have stated have worked well for them. The reality is that the arrangement with EK contributes greatly to QF’s finances. QF will not walk away from that.


I didn't know about the revenue-sharing. That certainly makes the QF/EK relationship much tighter.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:22 am

What incentive is there for QF to clear the way for major growth of a competitor? Why should AA set aside its financial interests to further QR's ambitions? I think it's hard to argue that partnering with QR is the best outcome in either of these examples.

In any case, I doubt there would be too many tears if QR did end up walking away (which we all know they won't). Airlines like QF and AA only supported QR's entry as a courtesy to BA.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:37 am

I see he's having his annual conniption fit...
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:43 am

I doubt Alan Joyce and Doug Parker would lose any sleep if QR up and left Oneworld.

I wasn't aware QF a private entity was blocking QR access to Australia. Last time I checked the Australian government decided when they want to renegotiate bilaterals, not Qantas.
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:54 am

QR probably is better suited to Virgin but really depends on its future with EY.

Even if EY pulled its Virgin stake it would still want to maintain that comprehensive codeshare they have.
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:01 am

Air Italy is Qatar Europe
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:06 am

vhqpa wrote:
I wasn't aware QF a private entity was blocking QR access to Australia. Last time I checked the Australian government decided when they want to renegotiate bilaterals, not Qantas.

You should follow AAB's thinking here: QR = Qatar, hence QF = Australia (and AA = United States). The concept of an airline that is independent from the government of its State of incorporation (and vice versa) is alien to AAB.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:22 am

Think of the tens of millions QR pulls in from BA's North America BA/AA JV neutral metal tie up. He can still quietly laugh over that. Think on it for a minute.
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:43 am

QF still pulls a fair bit of political clout though, so it may well have a voice in the ear of some policy makers in terms of bi-lateral negotiations.

At the end of the day though, the pure scale of the amount of rights for UAE carriers compared to Qatar is very interesting to see. The bilateral for UAE-Australia is very generous, but it’s hard to see the Australian government coming to the table to offer a significant boost. Maybe some incremental upgrades over time, but it will all depend what Qatar bring to the table I guess.

The alliances aren’t going to make everyone friends, but they are offer significant benefits to many carriers in terms of global reach and frequent flyer value. If QR leaves OW, it could hurt them more than QF or AA, given their existing relationships cover their own needs. Whether QR would be able to claim the same without OW, that’s another matter.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:40 pm

sibibom wrote:
I bet my gold-plated Rolls Royce he will do nothing. Dogs that bark seldom bite.

He doesn’t really have much leverage. What would oneworld miss with QR out of the alliance? Not much...
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:41 pm

I'm the last one to defend Al Baker but I fly QR whenever I can and largely tend to avoid other OW carriers. I certainly won't fly in BA's (so-called) Business Class.

So who needs whom here? Quality or quantity? Would Joyce and Parker (and WW?) care if QR walked? I think they should.

I've been flying commercially for 50+ years. (I just logged my 101st airline.) BA and AA are not what they once were. QR is what BA and AA never were. And never will be, I suspect. AA are Aldi. BA are Lidl. (Not sure how to finish this analogy...!)
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:09 pm

PM wrote:
I'm the last one to defend Al Baker but I fly QR whenever I can and largely tend to avoid other OW carriers. I certainly won't fly in BA's (so-called) Business Class.

So who needs whom here? Quality or quantity? Would Joyce and Parker (and WW?) care if QR walked? I think they should.

I've been flying commercially for 50+ years. (I just logged my 101st airline.) BA and AA are not what they once were. QR is what BA and AA never were. And never will be, I suspect. AA are Aldi. BA are Lidl. (Not sure how to finish this analogy...!)


Dougie would be ecstatic if QR left - that way AA members could no longer earn/redeem AA pesos on QR and making AAdvantage even more worthless than it is today! Sounds like a dream come true for Dougie.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:48 pm

Interesting how we've moving on from 'Skypesos" to " AA pesos".

Of course AS and B6 don't cause any trouble. EK, QR, and the like are their pimps. Their route systems are so limited that if their frequent flyers couldn't go anywhere but Portland, NY-FLL, or the occasional Hawaii or Mexico run, their ranks would be decimated.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:38 pm

empty threat considering all of the recent tie up with IAG and LATAM
 
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Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:08 pm

It's quite simple: alliances are mostly irrelevant to airlines with JVs. Other alliance members know this but are generally powerless in pressing to get more from the alliances. QR is the only one that is big enough and powerful enough to push to get more from alliances outside of JVs.
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:21 pm

They could start a new alliance....
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:38 pm

Antarius wrote:
stl07 wrote:
sierra3tango wrote:
AA?

Thought GF has a code sharing agreement with AA?

I think that ended


Yes. It ended April 30th, 2018.

AA still allows earning and redeeming miles on Etihad though.


The GF codeshare is still ongoing, e.g. BAH to IAH
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OPERATED BY AMERICAN AIRLINES
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OPERATED BY AMERICAN AIRLINES

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Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:50 pm

NZ321 wrote:
They could start a new alliance....

QR would just have to convince a few major airlines to leave their current alliance in favour of a new alliance that would be at QR’s mercy: not the easiest of tasks. Alternatively, QR could form a new alliance with IG and similar (insignificant) airlines.
 
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Amsterdam wrote:
Air Italy is Qatar Europe

Air Italy is majority owned by Europeans. If you don't like foreign entities owning 49% of a European carrier that is an issue between the EU and the USA, not Qatar and the USA. What Qatar has done is completely legal and lawful. Delta owns 49% of AeroMexico. Should AeroMexico's international route authorities be stripped because they are a de facto U.S. carrier? I don't see a difference.
 
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enilria wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
Air Italy is Qatar Europe

Air Italy is majority owned by Europeans. If you don't like foreign entities owning 49% of a European carrier that is an issue between the EU and the USA, not Qatar and the USA. What Qatar has done is completely legal and lawful. Delta owns 49% of AeroMexico. Should AeroMexico's international route authorities be stripped because they are a de facto U.S. carrier? I don't see a difference.


The american government doesnt own Delta. Thats the difference.

If the american government owned delta and delta wasnt allowed to fly from mexico to the eu then yes you would have the same situation with them letting a mexican company do the flying for them.
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:16 pm

wenders825 wrote:
empty threat considering all of the recent tie up with IAG and LATAM


That's the interesting part. Didn't QR just recently try to buy a 10% stake in AA too? They're probably not too happy it didn't work out.
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:20 pm

Qatar has more to lose by being outside OW than AA does with QR outside OW.

I could see OW using the chance to get EK in the alliance, a much better (and stronger) partner.
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:21 pm

offloaded wrote:
Antarius wrote:
stl07 wrote:
I think that ended


Yes. It ended April 30th, 2018.

AA still allows earning and redeeming miles on Etihad though.


The GF codeshare is still ongoing, e.g. BAH to IAH
1 BAH LHR 0230 0635 GF 7
2 ORD 0840 1130 GF6687
OPERATED BY AMERICAN AIRLINES
3 IAH 1255 1538 GF6593
OPERATED BY AMERICAN AIRLINES

4 BAH LHR 0230 0635 GF 7
5 DFW 0930 1400 GF6651
OPERATED BY AMERICAN AIRLINES
6 IAH 1630 1738 GF4316
OPERATED BY AMERICAN AIRLINES


Thank you. I stand corrected. What they ended was ability to earn miles, it looks like.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:38 pm

enilria wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
Air Italy is Qatar Europe

Air Italy is majority owned by Europeans. If you don't like foreign entities owning 49% of a European carrier that is an issue between the EU and the USA, not Qatar and the USA. What Qatar has done is completely legal and lawful. Delta owns 49% of AeroMexico. Should AeroMexico's international route authorities be stripped because they are a de facto U.S. carrier? I don't see a difference.


And Delta owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic. Air France-KLM own 31%. In turn, Delta own 8.8% of Air France-KLM ...
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:22 pm

Amsterdam wrote:
enilria wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
Air Italy is Qatar Europe

Air Italy is majority owned by Europeans. If you don't like foreign entities owning 49% of a European carrier that is an issue between the EU and the USA, not Qatar and the USA. What Qatar has done is completely legal and lawful. Delta owns 49% of AeroMexico. Should AeroMexico's international route authorities be stripped because they are a de facto U.S. carrier? I don't see a difference.


The american government doesnt own Delta. Thats the difference.

If the american government owned delta and delta wasnt allowed to fly from mexico to the eu then yes you would have the same situation with them letting a mexican company do the flying for them.

Delta isn't allowed to fly from Mexico to the EU. (???)

Ownership by a government is not a factor in any international air service bilateral I am aware of. You know why? Because outside the USA (where all the airports except Branson, MO are owned by the govt), half of the world's air capacity is operated by airlines fully or partially owned by the govt.

If you are demanding that airlines not be owned by governments, then you might start with demanding that airports not be owned by governments because the USA is one of the worst on that score. Even Russian airports are privatized.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:29 pm

This thread has been far more interesting than a normal AAB related thread.

Qantas is trying to bypass Emirates to maximize profit. So what? Every airline must constantly work towards that goal. If anyone complains, it should be BA. But Qantas had to work with EK IMHO.

The reality is, QR isn't a good partner for either AA or Qantas. I'm shocked CX didn't make the hit list.

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I think it's normal that airlines, even if formally allied, may have conflicting interests sometimes (see LH and TK for instance). Probably AA and QR will never be "close friends", but it's part of the game, and AAB likes his voice to be heard. I don't think he really intends quitting OW.

Every alliance has members who are not really integrated.

AA/Qantas/Cathay in One world.
Singapore in star
Korean/Delta in Skyteam

EK/Qantas has been to tremendous benefit to both partners.

I'm curious, does Qatar think Skyteam or Star would be better,? :no:

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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:23 pm

lightsaber wrote:
This thread has been far more interesting than a normal AAB related thread.

Qantas is trying to bypass Emirates to maximize profit. So what? Every airline must constantly work towards that goal. If anyone complains, it should be BA. But Qantas had to work with EK IMHO.

The reality is, QR isn't a good partner for either AA or Qantas. I'm shocked CX didn't make the hit list.

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sholmes wrote:
I think it's normal that airlines, even if formally allied, may have conflicting interests sometimes (see LH and TK for instance). Probably AA and QR will never be "close friends", but it's part of the game, and AAB likes his voice to be heard. I don't think he really intends quitting OW.

Every alliance has members who are not really integrated.

AA/Qantas/Cathay in One world.
Singapore in star
Korean/Delta in Skyteam

EK/Qantas has been to tremendous benefit to both partners.

I'm curious, does Qatar think Skyteam or Star would be better,? :no:

Lightsaber


AA/Qantas/Cathay are not integrated in their respective alliance? I would have thought they are the most active within oneworld alongside JL and BA. These carriers have extensive codeshares (AA+QF, QF+JL, CX+JL, CX+AA, JL+AA, BA+JL, AA+BA and recently CX+QF) If ever, I would say UL, MH and RJ are not very integrated in oneworld and are barely active. But please correct me if I am wrong :)
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:59 pm

J343 wrote:
AA/Qantas/Cathay are not integrated in their respective alliance? I would have thought they are the most active within oneworld alongside JL and BA. These carriers have extensive codeshares (AA+QF, QF+JL, CX+JL, CX+AA, JL+AA, BA+JL, AA+BA and recently CX+QF) If ever, I would say UL, MH and RJ are not very integrated in oneworld and are barely active. But please correct me if I am wrong :)


AA+QF=JV
AA+JL=JV
BA+IB+AA+AY=JV
AA+LA=JV
BA+IB+LA=JV

Other than that, it's just a hodgepodge of codeshares, which are not that different to individual airline relationships with non-OneWorld members. For example, CX's relationships with AC, CA or LH, or QF's relationships with NZ or EK.
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:37 pm

KLM just started codeshare via SIN with Quantas

Everything happens
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:48 pm

vhqpa wrote:
I doubt Alan Joyce and Doug Parker would lose any sleep if QR up and left Oneworld.

I wasn't aware QF a private entity was blocking QR access to Australia. Last time I checked the Australian government decided when they want to renegotiate bilaterals, not Qantas.


Sure and you would believe Exxon has absolutely nothing to do with the energy policies in the US. Its called lobbying. Airlines spent 90 US million on it last year. QF have chairman’s lounges for a reason.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:26 am

evanb wrote:
J343 wrote:
AA/Qantas/Cathay are not integrated in their respective alliance? I would have thought they are the most active within oneworld alongside JL and BA. These carriers have extensive codeshares (AA+QF, QF+JL, CX+JL, CX+AA, JL+AA, BA+JL, AA+BA and recently CX+QF) If ever, I would say UL, MH and RJ are not very integrated in oneworld and are barely active. But please correct me if I am wrong :)


AA+QF=JV
AA+JL=JV
BA+IB+AA+AY=JV
AA+LA=JV
BA+IB+LA=JV

Other than that, it's just a hodgepodge of codeshares, which are not that different to individual airline relationships with non-OneWorld members. For example, CX's relationships with AC, CA or LH, or QF's relationships with NZ or EK.


Also the Siberian JV between Europe and Japan: AY+BA+IB+JL
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:25 pm

HELyes wrote:
evanb wrote:
J343 wrote:
AA/Qantas/Cathay are not integrated in their respective alliance? I would have thought they are the most active within oneworld alongside JL and BA. These carriers have extensive codeshares (AA+QF, QF+JL, CX+JL, CX+AA, JL+AA, BA+JL, AA+BA and recently CX+QF) If ever, I would say UL, MH and RJ are not very integrated in oneworld and are barely active. But please correct me if I am wrong :)


AA+QF=JV
AA+JL=JV
BA+IB+AA+AY=JV
AA+LA=JV
BA+IB+LA=JV

Other than that, it's just a hodgepodge of codeshares, which are not that different to individual airline relationships with non-OneWorld members. For example, CX's relationships with AC, CA or LH, or QF's relationships with NZ or EK.


Also the Siberian JV between Europe and Japan: AY+BA+IB+JL


Forgot about that one. And it buttresses the point. Once alliance members get embedded in JVs the rest of the alliance gets pretty irrelevant to them very quickly and becomes a hodgepodge of limited code shares that would be equally available to non-members. That significantly weakens the alliances and reduces the value for all members that are not able to access JVs for issues ranging from scale, sophistication to politics.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:16 pm

Amsterdam wrote:
KLM just started codeshare via SIN with Quantas

Everything happens


Like misspelling QANTAS ;)
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:14 am

PM wrote:
I'm the last one to defend Al Baker but I fly QR whenever I can and largely tend to avoid other OW carriers. I certainly won't fly in BA's (so-called) Business Class.

So who needs whom here? Quality or quantity? Would Joyce and Parker (and WW?) care if QR walked? I think they should.

I've been flying commercially for 50+ years. (I just logged my 101st airline.) BA and AA are not what they once were. QR is what BA and AA never were. And never will be, I suspect. AA are Aldi. BA are Lidl. (Not sure how to finish this analogy...!)


But you just said that yiou don't fly AA and BA. So if QR is in OW alliance or not, makes no difference to their revenue from you.

Quantity vs quality depends on the needs of the market - and when it comes to business travel, quantity has quality in itself (frequency & schedule drive most choice of business travel)
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:33 am

B747forever wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
KLM just started codeshare via SIN with Quantas

Everything happens


Like misspelling QANTAS ;)


Haha

Everything happens
 
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Re: Qatar Airways CEO threatens withdrawal from OneWorld Alliance

Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:56 am

Amsterdam wrote:
B747forever wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
KLM just started codeshare via SIN with Quantas

Everything happens


Like misspelling QANTAS ;)


Haha

Everything happens

You won't see Saudia and Qatar in the same alliance. So SkyTeam is not an option for Qatar.

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