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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:02 pm

YYC-DUB x3 week 01JUN-19OCT
YYC-CDG x4 week 17MAY-20OCT
YYC-LGW Daily 28APR-26OCT
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:33 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
bfitzflyer wrote:
YYZ to possibly ATL with DL partner,


Seems like a waste of their brand new 789s don't you think? ;)


320 seats between yyz and Atl? If you fill it, which is one thing, you think DL is going to offer their hub to feed Westjets? If anything the traffic would be heading south to feed ATL and beyond. Doesn’t seem to do much for WestJet and their brand new three class airplane.
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:39 pm

Dub makes perfect sense , Westjet’s first destination in The EU with amazing self connecting opportunities to every major town and city in Europe , no airport taxes , ease of access to NI and the U.K. islands ... great choice. Westjet really know their stuff . Impressive
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:43 pm

Seeing as these routes are summer seasonal, what are the plans for them after October next year I wonder?
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:54 pm

Jayce wrote:
Seeing as these routes are summer seasonal, what are the plans for them after October next year I wonder?

YYC-LGW is not seasonal, and I don't see anything yet confirming the others are not seasonal. Wouldn't be surprised if one operates YYZ-LGW next winter.
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:52 pm

Acey wrote:
Jayce wrote:
Seeing as these routes are summer seasonal, what are the plans for them after October next year I wonder?

YYC-LGW is not seasonal, and I don't see anything yet confirming the others are not seasonal. Wouldn't be surprised if one operates YYZ-LGW next winter.


This seems to indicate all 3 are seasonal.

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/travel-in ... edules/new
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:13 pm

BML87 wrote:
Acey wrote:
Jayce wrote:
Seeing as these routes are summer seasonal, what are the plans for them after October next year I wonder?

YYC-LGW is not seasonal, and I don't see anything yet confirming the others are not seasonal. Wouldn't be surprised if one operates YYZ-LGW next winter.


This seems to indicate all 3 are seasonal.

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/travel-in ... edules/new


Summer 19 schedule ends in October, LGW could potentially revert to a 767. Best not to advertise beyond then until you see how the product performs and see if adjustments need to be made.
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:36 pm

I would guess that YYC-LGW would remain as a 787 route year round. With the 767s going to YYZ, maybe they’ll make YVR-LGW year round as well?

The problem with western Canada to Europe is that it’s highly seasonal.
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:41 am

WS are way over their skis w/ these 789s. Flying expensive, tourist-filled jets to CDG/LGW is not a recipe for success IMO. And some of these highly anticipated 789 introductory routes are seasonal?? Holy.
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:47 am

BML87 wrote:
Acey wrote:
Jayce wrote:
Seeing as these routes are summer seasonal, what are the plans for them after October next year I wonder?

YYC-LGW is not seasonal, and I don't see anything yet confirming the others are not seasonal. Wouldn't be surprised if one operates YYZ-LGW next winter.


This seems to indicate all 3 are seasonal.


Unless they're giving those frames back, they have to be going somewhere... and I doubt it'll be CUN or OGG.
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:19 am

BlueTrue wrote:
Why do you suggest YYC - LHR when they don't fly to Lhr? What is the obsession with all routes must lead to Lhr? Do you not know they use Lgw, did you not do any research?

You always get really triggered when this happens. Best not look too closely at China Airlines and their loyalty to Gatters.

But looking forward to seeing the WJA 787 !
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:53 am

Just a side note...
Westjet's recent 787 announcement hasn't impacted the LGW, CDG and GLA out of Halifax... for summer season 2019 atleast.
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:57 am

alexdelzotto1 wrote:
YUL-CDG would be interesting.


YUL/CDG would be a hot mess, it's already chockablock with multiple competitors, lots of seats, and low fares. I think at the peak of the summer, it has 3 airlines serving the route with up to 6 flights per day (AC, AF, TS). That's not even including the two operators that offer seasonal service to YUL out of ORY.

Plus, WestJet's presence in YUL is weak, especially compared to AC. Not to mention that Quebecors have far more brand awareness for the homegrown Air Transat product, which has a very strong base here.
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:03 am

Tenbru73 wrote:
Just a side note...
Westjet's recent 787 announcement hasn't impacted the LGW, CDG and GLA out of Halifax... for summer season 2019 atleast.

Also of note is that the summer schedule is never finalized this early. We'll let WS recover from their website crashing every 5 minutes today then see what changes come next.
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:21 am

And to think, just 6 months ago, everyone was harping on how the 787s will be YYZ based and not YYC based :duck:
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:29 am

SgtBarone wrote:
BlueTrue wrote:
Why do you suggest YYC - LHR when they don't fly to Lhr? What is the obsession with all routes must lead to Lhr? Do you not know they use Lgw, did you not do any research?


Is that really necessary? Calm down.


YES, actually it is necessary! People come on here and do not bother to research anything prior. It's a waste of our time.!
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:07 am

LAXLHR wrote:
SgtBarone wrote:
BlueTrue wrote:
Why do you suggest YYC - LHR when they don't fly to Lhr? What is the obsession with all routes must lead to Lhr? Do you not know they use Lgw, did you not do any research?


Is that really necessary? Calm down.


YES, actually it is necessary! People come on here and do not bother to research anything prior. It's a waste of our time.!

Yet you decided to "waste" more of your time and actually formulating and posting a pointless response.

As for the LGW/LHR debate. Why wouldn't they one day decide to try the LHR game? A year ago, WS had no business class, now they do. WS's business model has changed and there's no reason why they one day won't be trying for LHR.
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:42 pm

B748eye wrote:
WS are way over their skis w/ these 789s. Flying expensive, tourist-filled jets to CDG/LGW is not a recipe for success IMO.


I agree! They are going to need to really build the business traffic on these routes to make them profitable. I can't see any business traffic on YYC-DUB though.

I'm still expecting to see YVR/YYZ-PEK/PVG/HKG/NRT or sim in due course, as more 789s arrive.
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:02 pm

ACDC8 wrote:
And to think, just 6 months ago, everyone was harping on how the 787s will be YYZ based and not YYC based :duck:


Oh. Don’t bet on it. They’ll be in yyz before you know it.
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:37 pm

I believe DL and WS filed their JV application with the regulatory authorities yesterday. Does anyone know if the scope included TATL?
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:46 am

yyz717 wrote:
B748eye wrote:
WS are way over their skis w/ these 789s. Flying expensive, tourist-filled jets to CDG/LGW is not a recipe for success IMO.


I agree! They are going to need to really build the business traffic on these routes to make them profitable. I can't see any business traffic on YYC-DUB though.

I'm still expecting to see YVR/YYZ-PEK/PVG/HKG/NRT or sim in due course, as more 789s arrive.


This strategy is not about strictly tourist flow, this about building YYC into a Western Canadian international hub, ties into the Delta JV, and allows for the creation of a business focus incrementaly. YYZ is overserved when it comes to for European departures and there is a lot of network flow from the West. YYZ has serious connectivity challenges during peak travel with CBSA, gates and baggage processing. Why would you go head to head with your competitor in their own back yard when you can do the same thing comfortably from your own yard. With the introduction of a proper Business class, WS is simply building its core network, and moving a portion of its flow through its Western hub.

In due course I also suspect those 767s will start to turn their focus to more southern leisure oriented routes.
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:10 am

Here we have details of both schedules and frequencies. For the latter, there'll be difeerences for both CDG and DUB.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ht=westjet
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:31 pm

I find the people who are forecasting announcements of routes to Asia, especially China, to be confusing. How many times do we have to say it? There's no money, either in the low- or high-end, in flying to China. *Especially* given the fact that China is relaxing their 'one route, one airline' policy. WS would be stupid to do it. Just because the 789s have the legs, doesn't mean they have to fly the route.
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:39 pm

Any chance WestJet will fly a widebody into RSW?? I love seeing their smart-looking 737's on the ramp there; a 767 or 787 would look fantastic!!
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:53 pm

What about YYZ - BCN?
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:49 pm

The new route announcement is super exciting. I wish I could be on one of the inaugurals. It'll be nice to see some more use of the new ITB at YYC too as it can look pretty dead at times. I just hope the CAA will continue to work on the mess that is international connections. The link vehicle is pretty inadequate. Some more moving walkways in the ITB wouldn't hurt either!

Slightly off topic, but I'm really loving Westjet's new commercial. Gives me the goosebumps 8-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m18rmm7S7So
 
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Re: WestJet B787-9 Routes

Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:25 pm

Aic97 wrote:
What about YYZ - BCN?


The issue being that this route is a pretty low yielding (mostly tourists, I'd think) and is already served by Rouge and TS. I think WS' goal with the 787 is to try to find a route with a small but willing J crowd to make it profitable. This wouldn't be it, although maybe their 767s would be more suited.

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