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Lockheed 1649A going to TWA hotel at JFK

Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:28 am

A Lockheed 1649A Super Constellation in Auburn Maine is being taken apart and trucked to the TWA Hotel in front of JetBlue's Terminal 5 at JFK
airport.It is already painted in TWA paint.Once it gets there what are the plans for the 1649A.static display,used as a cocktial lounge or restaurant?This
Starliner was a parts plane for one they were restoring in Maine but now that one is being shipped overseas to Germany for Lufthansa.So we may never see a 1649A fly again.
 
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Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:31 am

What an awesome idea, this Hotel at JetBlue's JFK hub is sounding like a nice perk in an airport not really considered for many perks. I will have to plan to overnight when this opens.
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TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:19 pm

This might already be being discussed in an existing thread but felt this warrants it's own topic.

Courtesy of Boston.com:

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/ ... ail-lounge

The frame has certainly had an interesting life.

As I was first reading the article, I didn't realize where it's true destinations was and had feared it'd end up like the many old frames turned bars/restaurants/hotels in Asia and else where that end up closing and become dirty rotting hulks. However in this case the effort is appropriate IMHO and I'm excited to see it some day.

I wish I still lived in NH as I would loved to see this going down I-95.
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:34 pm

I absolutely love Connies, but this....

"Once in New York, the L-1649A Starliner will serve as the cocktail lounge outside TWA Hotel, a hotel that promises to bring back “the magic of the Jet Age.”


A "Jet Age" hotel featuring a Connie? :banghead:
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:45 pm

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A "Jet Age" hotel featuring a Connie? :banghead:


Well, the L-1649 was marketed as "Jetstream."

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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:49 pm

Lots of TWA constellations departed from the terminal… It is totally appropriate and frankly very cool!
 
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:31 pm

The Connie's did "see in" the Jet Age, after all. If done properly, this will be a great addition and should put the TWA Hotel on any enthusiasts must-see list.
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:41 am

Imagine if you will a Connie with two GTFs hung on the wings.
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:58 am

I think I read somewhere that Connies did not have provisions to have the wings removed easily? So basically if you take them off it will never fly again? Or perhaps I'm thinking of the main spar. Any techs out there know?
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:06 am

kearnet wrote:
This might already be being discussed in an existing thread but felt this warrants it's own topic.


In fact it has its own thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1405637

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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:39 am

This thread seems to have surpassed that one in length
 
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:23 am

jfklganyc wrote:
This thread seems to have surpassed that one in length


And the nonsensical thread "AirTran: What would it be like today" thread has 48 participants and climbing. It just goes to show you how little interest there is in classic civil aviation, which is quite a shame. Hundreds of people used to line observation decks watching Super Constellations and it created the dreams of so many pilots, F/A's and travelers. I really do not get it.
 
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:42 am

crownvic wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
This thread seems to have surpassed that one in length


And the nonsensical thread "AirTran: What would it be like today" thread has 48 participants and climbing. It just goes to show you how little interest there is in classic civil aviation, which is quite a shame. Hundreds of people used to line observation decks watching Super Constellations and it created the dreams of so many pilots, F/A's and travelers. I really do not get it.


Well, hardly different than people who are not into classic cars or what have you. Different strokes as they say, I am always amazed when threads go into multiple pages on something like an airline getting a new type of business seat.
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:35 pm

This aircraft, and its sister, that has been getting restored in the hangar next to it by Lufthansa for a decade, have been at the Lewiston-Auburn municiple airport since 1984, when they were flown in from Florida or somewhere in the Carribean, where they'd been sitting idle for years in a storage yard. For three decades, and my entire childhood, they both sat out by the runways. Essentially untouched and exposed to the weather. Great to see this frame from made use of. I didn't know what would happen to it after they took the parts for the other birds restoration.

The sister ship isgoing to Germany. Originally, it was suppose to fly there, but is now, apparently going by ship.
 
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:47 pm

Does anybody know of a way to track this aircraft's progress down I-95 from Maine to New York? I would like to try and see it as it rolls slowly past!
For some reason, I can't pull it up on FlightRadar24...
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Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:53 pm

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Does anybody know of a way to track this aircraft's progress down I-95 from Maine to New York? I would like to try and see it as it rolls slowly past!
For some reason, I can't pull it up on FlightRadar24...


I don't think that your be able to track it's progress on FlightRadar24 it's just a shell of an aircraft on the back of a flat back low loading lorry traveling down a highway :-)
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:19 pm

I think he was kidding, but I second his interest in seeing the procession as it will probably pass within a half mile of my home and office.
 
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:45 am

The truck carrying this aircraft had a setback today when the truck got a flat tire in Bolton, Mass.

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/10/10/ ... k-airport/
 
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:35 pm

If one prefers video of the fuselage stuck on the side of Interstate 495:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/10/10/ ... achusetts/
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:38 pm

So where is it now? Anyone know?
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:15 pm

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
The truck carrying this aircraft had a setback today when the truck got a flat tire in Bolton, Mass.

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/10/10/ ... k-airport/


Get Joe Patroni, and the trucks! They'll getting it back on the taxiwa.... err road again.

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Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:30 pm

Why not load it on a barge and unload it next to JFK rather than tie up traffic though NYC.
 
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:42 pm

The TWA Hotel will be a destination unto itself when all is said and done. I'm looking forward to making the pilgrimage in the future.
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OzarkD9S wrote:
The TWA Hotel will be a destination unto itself when all is said and done. I'm looking forward to making the pilgrimage in the future.


Be nice to see the inside of the old terminal again. Yes I'm that old.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:56 pm

Friday 10/12 - is this plane already in New York? That's disappointing, I was hoping to see it on the highway. They must have moved quicker than they expected to.
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:06 pm

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Friday 10/12 - is this plane already in New York? That's disappointing, I was hoping to see it on the highway. They must have moved quicker than they expected to.


I mean it's not that far. In "current traffic" if you were driving a normal truck on google is 5 hours and 54 minutes from JFK to Auburn Maine Airport. I know its a complex thing to move but still it wasn't that far of a move for a professional transport company. Do a few days to pass thru all the cities and complex curves etc. This shouldn't be that hard a project for them.

I think getting this on a barge and off a barge would be too expensive for such a relatively short move. Putting it on a truck once makes more sense. Too much risk of damage moving it that many times for such a short move.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:41 pm

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OzarkD9S wrote:
The TWA Hotel will be a destination unto itself when all is said and done. I'm looking forward to making the pilgrimage in the future.


Be nice to see the inside of the old terminal again. Yes I'm that old.


It will indeed, I can remember many hours spent there.
Also, the bright red carpets on the jetway, while running with a boarding pass in hand, after being on standby.
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:10 pm

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jfklganyc wrote:
This thread seems to have surpassed that one in length


And the nonsensical thread "AirTran: What would it be like today" thread has 48 participants and climbing. It just goes to show you how little interest there is in classic civil aviation, which is quite a shame. Hundreds of people used to line observation decks watching Super Constellations and it created the dreams of so many pilots, F/A's and travelers. I really do not get it.

We're a strange lot here. Some are here for the pictures, others for airlines/miles/routes/networks stuff, others are here for the techie stuff, others for non-av/mil-av/space, some for classic airliners, etc.

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The TWA Hotel will be a destination unto itself when all is said and done. I'm looking forward to making the pilgrimage in the future.


Be nice to see the inside of the old terminal again. Yes I'm that old.

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Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:52 pm

I have seen those two aircraft twice, I believe, when flying into Auburn-Lewiston. The first time they were both parked at the end of the runway on the northern end of the airport; the second time the one being restored was in the hangar. I’d have to go through my logbooks to see when each was, but both were before 2006 because that was when I parted with my plane.
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:11 pm

Right now, Friday evening, they are on the Bronx side of the Throgs Neck Bridge. They will have to wait until after rush hour before crossing the bridge.
 
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I have seen those two aircraft twice, I believe, when flying into Auburn-Lewiston. The first time they were both parked at the end of the runway on the northern end of the airport; the second time the one being restored was in the hangar. I’d have to go through my logbooks to see when each was, but both were before 2006 because that was when I parted with my plane.


As I mentioned in my above post, they both flew into Auburn in 1984 and then didn't move for about twenty five years. There is some quick footage below from the day in 1984 that they flew in.

Footage from 1984, the day the two Constellations arrived. And a bit about the restoration. (From 2009 news report)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_cUgKfX6A_s
 
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SEPilot wrote:
I have seen those two aircraft twice, I believe, when flying into Auburn-Lewiston. The first time they were both parked at the end of the runway on the northern end of the airport; the second time the one being restored was in the hangar. I’d have to go through my logbooks to see when each was, but both were before 2006 because that was when I parted with my plane.


As I mentioned in my above post, they both flew into Auburn in 1984 and then didn't move for about twenty five years. There is some quick footage below from the day in 1984 that they flew in.

Footage from 1984, the day the two Constellations arrived. And a bit about the restoration. (From 2009 news report)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_cUgKfX6A_s



The initial restoration started long before Lufthansa took over. In this 1998 photo, you can see they'd overhauled the engines and had them up and running.



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Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:26 am

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
pwm2txlhopper wrote:
SEPilot wrote:
I have seen those two aircraft twice, I believe, when flying into Auburn-Lewiston. The first time they were both parked at the end of the runway on the northern end of the airport; the second time the one being restored was in the hangar. I’d have to go through my logbooks to see when each was, but both were before 2006 because that was when I parted with my plane.


As I mentioned in my above post, they both flew into Auburn in 1984 and then didn't move for about twenty five years. There is some quick footage below from the day in 1984 that they flew in.

Footage from 1984, the day the two Constellations arrived. And a bit about the restoration. (From 2009 news report)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_cUgKfX6A_s



The initial restoration started long before Lufthansa took over. In this 1998 photo, you can see they'd overhauled the engines and had them up and running. Although I'm not sure if this was the frame they canabalized for parts and going to JFK, or whether this is the bird being restored to flying condition?



And in Central America before coming to KLEW.

 
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:48 pm

As of 10:30 this morning, the plane is parked at the Throgs Neck Bridge toll plaza in the Bronx.
 
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:26 pm

As you can probably tell from my avatar, I think that the Lockheed Super G Constellation Model L1049G in TWA livery is the most beautiful airliner ever built, even more beautiful than Concorde. Here is L-1649A on a flatbed headed for JFK:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/lock ... index.html

And here is an update on the status of the hotel itself with an early look at the rooms:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/twa- ... index.html

Finally, here is a "Connie" that hopefully WILL be flying again soon:

https://www.superconstellation.org/inde ... eason-2018
 
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:59 pm

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jfklganyc wrote:
This thread seems to have surpassed that one in length


And the nonsensical thread "AirTran: What would it be like today" thread has 48 participants and climbing. It just goes to show you how little interest there is in classic civil aviation, which is quite a shame. Hundreds of people used to line observation decks watching Super Constellations and it created the dreams of so many pilots, F/A's and travelers. I really do not get it.


Those were great days. No need for TSA, security gates or jetways. One could just walk right out onto an observation deck or to a fence by the boarding gate and watch the planes firing up their engines. On the piston planes, one was often only a few feet away from the guy standing by with the fire extinguisher while watching the first jets was a whole other level of experience in itself.
 
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Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:36 am

That's nuts. I remember doing some pilot lessons on Cessna 172s out of Lewiston, ME at summer camp in 2001-2002 and remember seeing Connie's just sitting in storage at the airport. They were in the bare metal scheme.

Also fun fact that we flew into Lebanon, NH during training and they actually had nonstop service to LGA at the time on like Shuttle America or something. Flying the Cessna into PWM was fun too.

Back then I was an unaccompanied minor flying Continental Express on the ERJ on EWR-PWM-EWR to get to camp and to get home.
 
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:21 am

Kind of off topic. But, does American Airlines Group still own the TWA name and trademarks? It seems to me that the hotel developer and operator can't simply start using the TWA trademark and other designs from the 1960s for commercial purposes, if AAG still owns the name. Even though the globe logo was replaced in the 1970s, the red, slant-block lettering was still used until TWA ceased operations as a separate carrier in 2001.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:13 am

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Kind of off topic. But, does American Airlines Group still own the TWA name and trademarks? It seems to me that the hotel developer and operator can't simply start using the TWA trademark and other designs from the 1960s for commercial purposes, if AAG still owns the name. Even though the globe logo was replaced in the 1970s, the red, slant-block lettering was still used until TWA ceased operations as a separate carrier in 2001.


The TWA red, slant-block lettering is still trademarked. Although, oddly, its just the slant-block lettering that is trademarked, the red isn't included. (Probably to keep their options open for future colors, and to get broader protection.)

I looked it up over at US Patent and Trademark Office. Sadly I couldn't link to the TWA record, but here is a screen shot:
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INAL, but I'm guessing that since this is a hotel and not an airline, the trademark protection doesn't apply (Although, copyright protection would apply.) or more likely the hotel has licensed the TWA name from AA for this hotel. AA gets some cash out of the deal and doesn't get any badwill from blocking the hotel's desire to recognize a historic airline like TWA.
 
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pwm2txlhopper wrote:
The truck carrying this aircraft had a setback today when the truck got a flat tire in Bolton, Mass.

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/10/10/ ... k-airport/


The article says:

“BOLTON (CBS/AP) — An old commercial jet was spotted on the side of Interstate 495 in Bolton Wednesday afternoon.”

So it IS a jet after all ;)

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A Lockheed 1649A Super Constellation in Auburn Maine is being taken apart and trucked to the TWA Hotel in front of JetBlue's Terminal 5 at JFK
airport.It is already painted in TWA paint.Once it gets there what are the plans for the 1649A.static display,used as a cocktial lounge or restaurant?This
Starliner was a parts plane for one they were restoring in Maine but now that one is being shipped overseas to Germany for Lufthansa.So we may never see a 1649A fly again.


Kermit weeks in Florida has a Connie in Lufthansa colours and i saw it fly years ago when it arrived at the fantasy of flight. IIRC it is still flyable, but its been several years since ive been there though
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Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:39 am

If you look at the construction sign outside the hotel, one of the many “partners” listed is AA.

Probably for the name.

I believe it is landmarked, As the TWA terminal and the sign on the terminal is landmarked.

That may supersede any copyright laws at least in the jurisdiction doing the landmarking...In this case New York City.

The TWA sign never came off the terminal because it couldn’t come off the terminal.
 
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:44 am

It's good to see some new use for this fantastic building at JFK. I remember checking in there back then on TWA transatlantic 747 flights. IIRC it had only like two gates and long lines formed inside that even crossed each other. A building not really working for bigger planes.
 
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:23 am

Does anyone know If the 1649A will be outside or inside once it gets reassembled at the TWA Hotel
 
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:35 pm

doulasc wrote:
Does anyone know If the 1649A will be outside or inside once it gets reassembled at the TWA Hotel


It is my understanding that it will be outside between the two flight tubes and visible from the Saarinen head house windows.

What I don't know is how you will get there. My guess is there will be an exterior door from one of the two new hotel blocks.
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Re: TW Connie being moved from ME to NY to become bar at TWA Hotel/JFK T5

Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:41 pm

I was able to visit the building twice during its dormancy. It is still quite spectacular and I look forward to visiting the hotel. A buddy of mine and I used to drink at the "Lisbon Lounge" back when you could do so without going through security (post TW0800 they moved it to right inside the front doors).
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