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LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:14 am

In an interesting move (given the loss of a partner in CLT and the fact that AA will be launching CLT-MUC) it appears that LH will be switching CLT to the A350 from the A333 at the beginning of the LH Spring schedule on 31 March 2018. This is coincidentally the same day AA is starting CLT-MUC.

While it doesn’t necessarily compare to the A346 that used to cover the route in the summer season, this does represent a capacity increase for CLT-MUC.
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:37 am

Pretty cool to have a new generation aircraft coming in!
 
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:24 am

LH is also upgrading FRA-PHL to the 744 from the 333 in S19. Definitely seems like a shot at AA.
 
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:39 am

This is a tremendous response from LH. I expected them to respond in some fashion. Truly shows how committed LH is to the Charlotte area. Can’t wait to see this next gen airplane at my home airport next year.
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:40 am

AA has conceded JFK / MIA / ORD / PHL - Germany to LH / Star.

AA owns DFW, but LH has been in the market for over 30 years and holds its own. I think EY dropping DFW is better for LH than AA adding seasonal MUC service.

CLT will be interesting. I don’t know the market, but know the auto industry is strong.
 
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:19 am

nomorerjs wrote:
AA has conceded JFK / MIA / ORD / PHL - Germany to LH / Star.

AA owns DFW, but LH has been in the market for over 30 years and holds its own. I think EY dropping DFW is better for LH than AA adding seasonal MUC service.

CLT will be interesting. I don’t know the market, but know the auto industry is strong.

It's difficult to guess what LH is trying to do.

Naturally, the service is better on LH in both cabins, and I believe that the LH A350 YCL seat is more comfortable than the AA A330 YCL seat. However, in J, LH's seat is terrible and AA offers all-aisle access.

The German firms in the area are prodominately loyal to LH-who has most of the contracts. My guess is that LH hopes that "upgauging" the route for the season will cause both LH's CLT-MUC flight and AA's CLT-MUC flight to suffer, but LH is willing to suffer through the losses because they are the ones who hold the contracts. I'm betting that LH hopes that the AA flight won't stick around and then they will have the market to themselves once more.
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:28 am

LH has used the 744 at PHL in the past. IIRC it happened when US went double daily PHL-FRA even as they were alliance partners (obv they were not joint venture partners). I don’t know that there is much to fight about here.

CLT doesn’t have ALL that much that any other midsize metropolis doesn’t have. I don’t see LH succeeding directly in opposition to AA there. I think LH was lucky to take the entire PHL Germany market and AA is not being unreasonable to expect to run CLT to Germany. CLT is an incredibly focused AA hub. CLT MUC doesn’t make any more sense than MSP MUC or STL MUC, Just my view.
 
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:43 am

Every A330-300 route out of MUC will be upgauged to A359 / A346 next summer because LH will be moving all the A333s from MUC to FRA. They will be replaced by new A350s and A346s coming back from FRA.
New A350 routes from MUC in S19:
YYZ
YUL
IAD
CLT
BOM
KIX

Some routes that they prevously used the A350 on will get the A340-600 like BOS or HND.
 
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:51 am

JetBlueCLT wrote:
This is a tremendous response from LH. I expected them to respond in some fashion. Truly shows how committed LH is to the Charlotte area. Can’t wait to see this next gen airplane at my home airport next year.


Well they can’t let down that crazy lady praying whenever Lufthansa comes in ;)

Is she still active?
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:10 pm

B747forever wrote:
JetBlueCLT wrote:
This is a tremendous response from LH. I expected them to respond in some fashion. Truly shows how committed LH is to the Charlotte area. Can’t wait to see this next gen airplane at my home airport next year.


Well they can’t let down that crazy lady praying whenever Lufthansa comes in ;)

Is she still active?



Sure is, saw her the other day. LH missed the high speed turn off and ended up coming almost all the way down 36C and that lady about had a heart attack she was so excited.
 
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:10 pm

B747forever wrote:
JetBlueCLT wrote:
This is a tremendous response from LH. I expected them to respond in some fashion. Truly shows how committed LH is to the Charlotte area. Can’t wait to see this next gen airplane at my home airport next year.


Well they can’t let down that crazy lady praying whenever Lufthansa comes in ;)

Is she still active?



Sure is, saw her the other day. LH missed the high speed turn off and ended up coming almost all the way down 36C and that lady about had a heart attack she was so excited.
 
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:25 pm

CLTRampRat wrote:
B747forever wrote:
JetBlueCLT wrote:
This is a tremendous response from LH. I expected them to respond in some fashion. Truly shows how committed LH is to the Charlotte area. Can’t wait to see this next gen airplane at my home airport next year.


Well they can’t let down that crazy lady praying whenever Lufthansa comes in ;)

Is she still active?



Sure is, saw her the other day. LH missed the high speed turn off and ended up coming almost all the way down 36C and that lady about had a heart attack she was so excited.


Haha, can’t believe she is still around. What is the story behind her fascination of the LH flight?
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:54 pm

LH779 wrote:
Every A330-300 route out of MUC will be upgauged to A359 / A346 next summer because LH will be moving all the A333s from MUC to FRA. They will be replaced by new A350s and A346s coming back from FRA.
New A350 routes from MUC in S19:
YYZ
YUL
IAD
CLT
BOM
KIX

Some routes that they prevously used the A350 on will get the A340-600 like BOS or HND.

Thinking about these aircraft changes some more, they are definitely partly due to LH's fleet strategy. PHL cannot be that surprising though. AA walked away from about ~500 seats/day in the PHL-Germany market and LH added ~180 of it back with the 744.
 
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:58 pm

No idea! But myself and some fellow airport buddies have speculated: She appears to be Native American, and the crane is a good luck symbol in their culture. So god forbid if AA drives LH out of CLT. On the flip side supposedly she was with someone one time and somebody asked her friend about it and they said she wasn’t even Native American. So honestly who knows.
 
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:10 pm

CLTRampRat wrote:
No idea! But myself and some fellow airport buddies have speculated: She appears to be Native American, and the crane is a good luck symbol in their culture. So god forbid if AA drives LH out of CLT. On the flip side supposedly she was with someone one time and somebody asked her friend about it and they said she wasn’t even Native American. So honestly who knows.


Oh well, I just hope she likes the A350!
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:56 pm

SAN is also seeing a partial upgauge next summer. Beginning Mar 31, LH will serve SAN 3x weekly with the A346, and the other 2 days per week with the A343.

LH started the SAN-FRA route this last March at 5x weekly using A343s. So even though they are apparently not yet ready to take the route daily, a year after the inaugural we are seeing more premium seats being offered! I'll take it!

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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:20 am

I thought LH used the A346 on the CLT-MUC route?
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:00 am

USAirALB wrote:
In an interesting move (given the loss of a partner in CLT and the fact that AA will be launching CLT-MUC) it appears that LH will be switching CLT to the A350 from the A333 at the beginning of the LH Spring schedule on 31 March 2018. This is coincidentally the same day AA is starting CLT-MUC.

While it doesn’t necessarily compare to the A346 that used to cover the route in the summer season, this does represent a capacity increase for CLT-MUC.

31 March 2018 already exist, you mean 31 March 2019 then?
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:03 pm

SANMAN66 wrote:
I thought LH used the A346 on the CLT-MUC route?


They used to for a while. Recently it's been a 333 route - I don't remember if the downgauge directly correlated to US Airways getting bought by AA and subsequently pulling out of Star Alliance, but I think it might have...
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:41 pm

I am quite sure I saw yesterday or so a posting on this thread indicating MUC-MEX was going to continue as an A346 route despite the fact that LH had already announced that MEX was getting the A359 from MUC. Maybe it got deleted? In any event, I conducted a random search for late November / early December on Google Flights, and it is showing that the aircraft is an A359. Can anyone confirm if the A359 will soon take over MUC-MEX, or if such route will stay A346 for the time being? Thanks.
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Re: LH switches CLT to A350

Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:53 pm

B747forever wrote:
JetBlueCLT wrote:
This is a tremendous response from LH. I expected them to respond in some fashion. Truly shows how committed LH is to the Charlotte area. Can’t wait to see this next gen airplane at my home airport next year.


Well they can’t let down that crazy lady praying whenever Lufthansa comes in ;)

Is she still active?


For those of us who don't know, could any of you give a short primer on what this is all about? Sounds like an interesting story..
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