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Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:18 am

Have you noticed that the electronic windows in the Dream Liner don't actually darken the cabin very much? I was on a recent daylight frlight from Japan on ANA and "closed" the electric window shade all the way, but still so much sunlight entered that I could see clear shadows by the side of the seat. It was intened as a "cool" feature, but atcually the gold old platic shades work much better.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:47 am

Please check your spelling. Frlight, intened, atcually, gold, platic...

But I believe you anyway. I stay away from the 787 because of its dimmable windows.

Sometimes the sun can shine on your window for nine hours straight. For example when you fly from Seattle or Vancoucer to Europe during summer. When you take off in the evening and you are seated on the left side of the aircraft the sun stays approximately at the same location in the sky the entire flight.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:07 am

no the cabin can become very dark, only the people sitting next to the windows can feel the heat
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:09 am

I would say quite the opposite. When everyone has the shades on the dimmest setting the cabin is exceptionally dark. At least it was on the BA 788 I was on.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:14 am

I experienced the opposite too, on a Norwegian 789 recently. I wasn't expecting it to get very dark at all, but when all the windows were dimmed, they went nearly pitch black, even when the morning sun was shining on them. I was surprised at how well they worked.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:47 am

When I read the thread title, I was first afraid that the primary flight instruments could end-up showing a blue screen of death after a faulty Windows update, but now that I read your post I freel reassured ;-)

Now to get back on the topic, I was on an ANA787 BRU-NRT and I actually quite liked those windows. They get dark enough for me to sleep properly (the very light mood lighting that stays on even during sleeping periods and a few reading lights or IFE screens on here and there actually produce much more light than what those Windows are "leaking".
What I liked most is the fact that even when the cabin is sleeping, you can still see something outside without disturbing your neighbors.(the 1st or 2nd steps are bright enough to see properly without letting too much light enter).
I can't judge for the heat. In business class there is some distance between the seat and Windows and my travel agent is always smartly choosing seats on the left side for going eastbound and right side for westbound flights (these people are crazy with the details). But I can imagine that if you are close to it and on the sunny side, it can feel a bit too hot.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:59 am

The 787 is my least favorite airliner of all time because of its windows, they're absolutely the worst! Pax like yours truly who just love to enjoy the views are left with zero control over their windows due to the crew-override feature and nervous flyers get terrified 'cause they can still see outside even on the darkest setting. I just hope we won't see them on any future airliners.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:01 am

MartijnNL wrote:
Please check your spelling. Frlight, intened, atcually, gold, platic...

But I believe you anyway. I stay away from the 787 because of its dimmable windows.

Sometimes the sun can shine on your window for nine hours straight. For example when you fly from Seattle or Vancoucer to Europe during summer. When you take off in the evening and you are seated on the left side of the aircraft the sun stays approximately at the same location in the sky the entire flight.


Please check your spelling. It’s Vancouver.
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:19 am

av8orwalk wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:
Please check your spelling. Frlight, intened, atcually, gold, platic...

(...) For example when you fly from Seattle or Vancoucer to Europe during summer. (...)

Please check your spelling. It’s Vancouver.

Oh nooo! :o

Shame on me! :oops:

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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:29 am

I believe there was word that the early 787s (which ANA, being the launch partner, would have) has windows that didn't darken down nearly as much as the later production models, so this might explain it. Perhaps someone more in the know can comment?

As for the dimmable windows, I think they're great. I'm not sure why y'all love shades so much, since they usually go down at the beginning of the flight and stay down. At least you have the option of looking at dimmed things on the 787.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:49 am

EChid wrote:
As for the dimmable windows, I think they're great. I'm not sure why y'all love shades so much, since they usually go down at the beginning of the flight and stay down. At least you have the option of looking at dimmed things on the 787.


Absolutely agree with that, I think they're great and even in day flights the cabin gets completely dark when the FA's command it.

I love the invention and wish it was rolled-out on other aircraft as well. In fact I wish I had it at home ... It's fantastic to be able to still see things outside whilst not disturbing anyone.
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:51 am

av8orwalk wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:
Please check your spelling. Frlight, intened, atcually, gold, platic...

But I believe you anyway. I stay away from the 787 because of its dimmable windows.

Sometimes the sun can shine on your window for nine hours straight. For example when you fly from Seattle or Vancoucer to Europe during summer. When you take off in the evening and you are seated on the left side of the aircraft the sun stays approximately at the same location in the sky the entire flight.


Please check your spelling. It’s Vancouver.



Its a typo! Lighten up ( no pun intended ) :o
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:32 pm

L0VE2FLY wrote:
The 787 is my least favorite airliner of all time because of its windows, they're absolutely the worst! Pax like yours truly who just love to enjoy the views are left with zero control over their windows due to the crew-override feature and nervous flyers get terrified 'cause they can still see outside even on the darkest setting. I just hope we won't see them on any future airliners.

I can't tell for sure with other airlines or in Y, but in Business class on the ANA flights I've been on, the windows were dimmed alltogether after the dinner when people tend to take some sleep, but right after it, it was still possible for me to use the + - buttons to change the brightness after that. I assume if you put it too bright that some flight attendant will maybe come to ask dimming it back … or maybe they can lock the settings if the situation gets out of control ;-)
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:49 pm

Haven't flown on a 787 yet, but I would be very unhappy if I paid for a window seat only for someone to decide that I shouldn't be able to enjoy the views.
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:53 pm

winstonlegthigh wrote:
Haven't flown on a 787 yet, but I would be very unhappy if I paid for a window seat only for someone to decide that I shouldn't be able to enjoy the views.


That's the point of the 787, you still can. On a 787 flight with VS I dimmed the window all the way down, and while it goes exceptionally dark you can still see out of the window - it's really quite cool
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:24 pm

I love the 787 windows and being able to still look out the window without being “that guy” that illuminates the entire cabin while everyone is trying to sleep.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:29 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
winstonlegthigh wrote:
Haven't flown on a 787 yet, but I would be very unhappy if I paid for a window seat only for someone to decide that I shouldn't be able to enjoy the views.


That's the point of the 787, you still can. On a 787 flight with VS I dimmed the window all the way down, and while it goes exceptionally dark you can still see out of the window - it's really quite cool

And I will note that I have been on flights where overlord FA's were quick to pounce on me if I opened my shade. Request/demanding that I return the shade to to fully closed so as not to disturb the cabin. The beam of light that sears into the cabin can be overwhelming. (And frustrating to someone like me that loves to see the world outside.)

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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:31 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
Please check your spelling. Frlight, intened, atcually, gold, platic...

But I believe you anyway. I stay away from the 787 because of its dimmable windows.

Sometimes the sun can shine on your window for nine hours straight. For example when you fly from Seattle or Vancoucer to Europe during summer. When you take off in the evening and you are seated on the left side of the aircraft the sun stays approximately at the same location in the sky the entire flight.


Martin, you may want to have a better reason than that for avoiding one the best aircrafts out there...!
Do try the 787 and see how nice and rested you feel after a flight in comparison to say an old 767 or a Jumbo... the quietness, the smooth ride, the big windows, the better humidity of the environment... Seriously, you are doing yourself a disservice!
The windows are actually quite cool in fact. They really do work well, keep the heat and sun glare out, but will still let you see 'something' through. Also, you can manually override the FA functioning, so no issues there either. And they are BIG, well placed and on near vertical side walls.

Really, those people who have an issue flying the 787 (yeah, ooohh those 'nasty' 3-3-3 seats!! OMG!!! ;-)) should really consider not flying at all and instead stay home and just sit in an armchair with a blanket on their knees all day!
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:36 pm

winstonlegthigh wrote:
Haven't flown on a 787 yet, but I would be very unhappy if I paid for a window seat only for someone to decide that I shouldn't be able to enjoy the views.


same goes for flying on a 747 next to a window and having a zealous FA forcing you to keep the blind down. No difference there. :scratchchin:
Never flown daytime long haul perhaps then?
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:09 pm

EChid wrote:
I believe there was word that the early 787s (which ANA, being the launch partner, would have) has windows that didn't darken down nearly as much as the later production models, so this might explain it. Perhaps someone more in the know can comment?

That would be correct. Fairly early in production, it was either ANA or JAL (can't remember) were displeased with the windows not getting dark enough on the aircraft they had taken delivery on so Boeing had the window shade vendor redesign them to become darker on the later production shades.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:22 pm

av8orwalk wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:
Please check your spelling. Frlight, intened, atcually, gold, platic...

But I believe you anyway. I stay away from the 787 because of its dimmable windows.

Sometimes the sun can shine on your window for nine hours straight. For example when you fly from Seattle or Vancoucer to Europe during summer. When you take off in the evening and you are seated on the left side of the aircraft the sun stays approximately at the same location in the sky the entire flight.


Please check your spelling. It’s Vancouver.

Actually, by Royal degree from the Queen herself, Vancouver has decided to change it's name. The reason cited was confusion with Vancouver WA. but the real reason is that the Queen is a dyed in the wool airplane nut and just loves this forum. Who knew that the Queen Mother was a regular here?
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:27 pm

I also really like the 787 windows. Very effective at dimming the cabin, plus it still allows me to see outside, hopefully we see this technology on other planes, works very well.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:30 pm

londonistan wrote:
av8orwalk wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:
Please check your spelling. Frlight, intened, atcually, gold, platic...

But I believe you anyway. I stay away from the 787 because of its dimmable windows.

Sometimes the sun can shine on your window for nine hours straight. For example when you fly from Seattle or Vancoucer to Europe during summer. When you take off in the evening and you are seated on the left side of the aircraft the sun stays approximately at the same location in the sky the entire flight.


Please check your spelling. It’s Vancouver.



Its a typo! Lighten up ( no pun intended ) :o

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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:39 pm

I love the 787 windows. Every time I have flown on it I have found that they make the cabin plenty dark for sleep. I totally understand those who don't like the cabin crew having control over the windows BUT as someone who flies relatively frequently and has seen one passenger let a flood of light into a cabin of otherwise sleepy passengers all too many times I think that they're good. Sometimes when I've been traveling for hours on end I just want a dark place to sleep.
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:53 pm

I work on them and find it gets very dark I need to use my torch to see debris in the aisles.
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:01 pm

On my 5 UA 788 flights, the windows were locked down for 90% of the flight, dimmed from just after takeoff to just prior to landing. On my UA 789 flight this spring, the windows were available for manipulation the entire flight. I will admit it was frustrating not being able to see clearly over so many beautiful patches of land on the 788 flights.
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:04 pm

My biggest complain about the windows isn't that it doesn't get dark enough, but that it can get insanely hot.
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:30 pm

I wonder what the odds are that the 777x will incorporate this technology might be. Via the initial tours which can be viewed on YouTube, they're using the same size windows as the 787. Who thinks they'll keep the electronic dimming vs. reverting to the old fashion window shade?
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:32 pm

On my flight MEX - NRT it was 15 hours of darkness, but the crew elected to dimm the windows all the way, so I could not see the stars or the aurora over Alaska... it was a moonless flight.... hate the windows on the 787.... and then on the descent they put them in normal, and the landing lights really flood the cabin...go figure!!!

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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:04 pm

rjsampson wrote:
I wonder what the odds are that the 777x will incorporate this technology might be. Via the initial tours which can be viewed on YouTube, they're using the same size windows as the 787. Who thinks they'll keep the electronic dimming vs. reverting to the old fashion window shade?

Being that they are scraping everything they can to add width to the cabin I am betting yes they will go electronic. Shades to add to the interior fitment.

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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:07 pm

As I've mentioned before on other threads on this topic, I really like them because on certain airlines the crews force you to shut the shades right after takeoff (looking at you, XL Airways and Singapore) and even on the darkest setting I can see out on the 787. I've flown with the sun on that side for the entire trip and not been bothered by the light coming through nor had any heat problems and I always try to book a 787 flight and will do the same for or any other airliner that incorporates the dimmable windows in the future.
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Re: Windows in the 787

Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:10 pm

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Re: Windows in the 787

Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:23 am

rjsampson wrote:
I wonder what the odds are that the 777x will incorporate this technology might be. Via the initial tours which can be viewed on YouTube, they're using the same size windows as the 787. Who thinks they'll keep the electronic dimming vs. reverting to the old fashion window shade?


Iirc it's an option that airlines can choose
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Re: Windows in the 787

Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:44 am

AF1624 wrote:
EChid wrote:
As for the dimmable windows, I think they're great. I'm not sure why y'all love shades so much, since they usually go down at the beginning of the flight and stay down. At least you have the option of looking at dimmed things on the 787.


Absolutely agree with that, I think they're great and even in day flights the cabin gets completely dark when the FA's command it.

I love the invention and wish it was rolled-out on other aircraft as well. In fact I wish I had it at home ... It's fantastic to be able to still see things outside whilst not disturbing anyone.


Couldn't agree more! I was afraid I'd lose my view, but found the opposite... my only long haul 787 flight (YUL-PVG) was daylight for 14 hours and for much of the flight It was dark enough to sleep (if you wanted), but I could still clearly see outside.

Also, the FAs didn't lock out the window controls (this was Air Canada). I could still control the shade and lighten lighten it, at least a shade or 2 (wasn't going to be an A-hole and risk flooding the cabin with light). The thing is, I tested the shade controls out of interest, but returned the shade to "full dark" because I could see well enough.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:21 am

The early-model dream liners have "bad" windows. The later-models post-2016(IIRC) have a new version of the windows installed. The new versions have some altered chemical formula that allows for darker windows and the CEO at the time said that they were developing a 3rd version that was even darker when dimmed.

https://thepointsguy.com/2016/01/darker ... ng-to-787/
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:40 am

alggag wrote:
I love the 787 windows and being able to still look out the window without being “that guy” that illuminates the entire cabin while everyone is trying to sleep.


Exactly. I think the 787 windows are fantastic. Their size and shape too, so you don't have to have a window seat to see the outside world. Compared to the itsy bitsy portholes on the A380, 330 and 320, and the annoyingly low windowline of the 737, the 787 is fantastic, even better than the 747 windows.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:38 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
winstonlegthigh wrote:
Haven't flown on a 787 yet, but I would be very unhappy if I paid for a window seat only for someone to decide that I shouldn't be able to enjoy the views.


That's the point of the 787, you still can. On a 787 flight with VS I dimmed the window all the way down, and while it goes exceptionally dark you can still see out of the window - it's really quite cool


Cool, really? Looking through a heavily dimmed window is the same as looking through a clear one?!


TheRedBaron wrote:
On my flight MEX - NRT it was 15 hours of darkness, but the crew elected to dimm the windows all the way, so I could not see the stars or the aurora over Alaska... it was a moonless flight.... hate the windows on the 787.... and then on the descent they put them in normal, and the landing lights really flood the cabin...go figure!!!

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I would've complained and asked the crew, what's the point of dimming the windows on a flight that takes place entirely in darkness.


Tugger wrote:
rjsampson wrote:
I wonder what the odds are that the 777x will incorporate this technology might be. Via the initial tours which can be viewed on YouTube, they're using the same size windows as the 787. Who thinks they'll keep the electronic dimming vs. reverting to the old fashion window shade?

Being that they are scraping everything they can to add width to the cabin I am betting yes they will go electronic. Shades to add to the interior fitment.

Tugg


That's not what I heard from several fellow a.netters. I've also seen a comparison between the 777X & A350's windows (I think it was on Boeing's website) that mentioned nothing about the dimming windows.
 
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Re: Windows in the 787

Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:48 pm

seb76 wrote:
When I read the thread title, I was first afraid that the primary flight instruments could end-up showing a blue screen of death after a faulty Windows update, but now that I read your post I freel reassured ;-)


Same..... I first thought of having windows 10 or something on the Dreamliner (?!), and then getting the blue screen of death.
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Re: Windows in the 787

Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:40 pm

It only takes one window with the shade open to flood the cabin with light. I have been on plenty of 787 flights with dark cabins in the daylight hours.

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