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Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:46 pm

https://mailchi.mp/delta/rngf378qec?e=f4e0a3c226

The next era of air travel starts S​aturday with Delta selling top domestic business routes on the new A220-100 aircraft, a state-of-the-art narrowbody jet with all the amenities and luxury of a widebody aircraft. Inaugural A220 flights are set to depart on Jan. 31, 2019, from Delta's hub at New York's LaGuardia airport to its growing operation at Boston Logan International, and from LaGuardia to top business destination Dallas/Ft. Worth.

Looks like first routes are:
January
New York-LGA to Boston
New York-LGA to Dallas/Ft. Worth (This route supposedly will be all A220)

March
Detroit to Dallas/Ft. Worth

April
New York-LGA to Houston-IAH (This route supposedly will be all A220)

May
Salt Lake City to Dallas/Ft. Worth

June
Minneapolis/St. Paul to Dallas/Ft. Worth

July
Houston-IAH to Detroit & Minneapolis/St. Paul
Houston-IAH to Salt Lake City (This route supposedly will be all A220)

August
New York-JFK to Dallas/Ft. Worth (This route supposedly will be all A220)

https://news.delta.com/delta-s-new-a220 ... uary-debut
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:59 pm

Looks like DFW is going to be the big test market for the A220.
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:00 pm

Everything is not bigger in Texas.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:01 pm

LGA-BOS suprises me somewhat. Surely this route is extremely frequency sensitive.

The others however don't surprise me- lots of mid-range routes going into AA/UA fortresses. I'm also surprised there's no action in LA.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:03 pm

Fascinating to me that they are really focusing on DFW. Is that a TechOps station?
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:04 pm

There is an actual article on Delta's website with a marketing video of amenities.

lavalampluva wrote:
Looks like DFW is going to be the big test market for the A220.


Yes, and really TX overall once Houston comes online by mid-year.
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:08 pm

Guessing this is just the first round? Hoping to see these on LGA-MCI and LGA/JFK-ORD too.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:13 pm

The LGA-BOS add does seem different from the others, especially given the short airtime between the two cities. Very surprised also not to see ATL on the list.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:13 pm

evank516 wrote:
Guessing this is just the first round? Hoping to see these on LGA-MCI and LGA/JFK-ORD too.
Seems like DL is putting these on routes that use RJs, but face competition from AA or UA. It would become the defacto "best plane" on those routes, so maybe DL is able to capture a premium over their competitors.

I think it also highlights DL's inherent weakness in Texas.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:14 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Guessing this is just the first round? Hoping to see these on LGA-MCI and LGA/JFK-ORD too.
Seems like DL is putting these on routes that use RJs, but face competition from AA or UA. It would become the defacto "best plane" on those routes, so maybe DL is able to capture a premium over their competitors.

I think it also highlights DL's inherent weakness in Texas.


So that means JFK/LGA-ORD will probably see them considering the heavy presence of AA/UA.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:18 pm

evank516 wrote:
So that means JFK/LGA-ORD will probably see them considering the heavy presence of AA/UA.
They ordered a bunch of them, so I am sure it will make it there eventually, but it seems like NYC-ORD has more mainline than NYC-Texas for DL.

From the deployment, it looks like DL is trying for a consistent product. They would need many more to cover NYC-ORD completely. Texas not so much.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:19 pm

Quite an interesting move here to use a220 to aa ua fortress hubs. I guess the economics of operating a220 must be so much better than regional jets on flights that long.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:27 pm

Themotionman wrote:
LGA-BOS suprises me somewhat. Surely this route is extremely frequency sensitive.


It shouldn't. The schedule won't change: still hourly Shuttle service. The A220 is a modest upgauge from the E175 and a modest downgauge from the 717 which are most frequently seen on LGA-BOS. Hopefully it won't go all-A220 since the peak hour flights could use larger equipment.

jb1087xna wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
Looks like DFW is going to be the big test market for the A220.


Yes, and really TX overall once Houston comes online by mid-year.


DL has a pretty heavy reliance on RJs to IAH & DFW (outside of ATL routes); this should help free up a fair amount of large RJ time for shorter markets as the 50-seaters continue to exit the system.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:31 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
evank516 wrote:
So that means JFK/LGA-ORD will probably see them considering the heavy presence of AA/UA.
They ordered a bunch of them, so I am sure it will make it there eventually, but it seems like NYC-ORD has more mainline than NYC-Texas for DL.

From the deployment, it looks like DL is trying for a consistent product. They would need many more to cover NYC-ORD completely. Texas not so much.


Fair point. However my fingers are crossed to see them on LGA-MCI too! They may not compete with AA/UA on that route since AA axed it, but they do have WN on that with them and they just upped their game to 2 737s per day except Saturdays.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:43 pm

These are some of the longest 2-class Rj routes in the system and as said eat up a lot of block time. For example a single turn requires 7+ hours of aircraft time. That frees up E70/E75/CR9 for other things.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:52 pm

Has anyone found them yet on the booking page? I just did some ghost bookings beginning on 31 January and everything still shows 717/319/320 (even into Feb).
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:57 pm

zschocheimages wrote:
Has anyone found them yet on the booking page? I just did some ghost bookings beginning on 31 January and everything still shows 717/319/320 (even into Feb).
Per the article linked by OP, they will not be for sale until October 20th.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:01 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
zschocheimages wrote:
Has anyone found them yet on the booking page? I just did some ghost bookings beginning on 31 January and everything still shows 717/319/320 (even into Feb).
Per the article linked by OP, they will not be for sale until October 20th.


I saw that too, but looking at the notes that’s only for the March DTW-DFW flights.
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:15 pm

Delta does schedule changes on Saturday, so we will see this probably on the Saturday 10/20 schedule change upload.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:24 pm

One other key note, is the percent of C+ and F seats on the E175 vs the A220.

Basically in making the change in aircraft type, the number of C+ and F seats isn’t really changing that much, especially when compared to the number of Y seats which basically doubles.

Point being, the A220 will obviously markets better for DL because of its new amenities and because it is not a RJ.... but in terms of actual seats on the route, there will be a lot more coach seats flying in these routes if frequencies stay equal. If frequencies drop, the number of C+ and F on the routes would then drop as well.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:40 pm

Has any other US airline ordered this aircraft?
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:45 pm

maverick4002 wrote:
Has any other US airline ordered this aircraft?

JetBlue has
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:49 pm

maverick4002 wrote:
Has any other US airline ordered this aircraft?

JetBlue
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:50 pm

Jetblue has an MoU, not an order. Moxy also has an MoU.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:52 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Everything is not bigger in Texas.



Tell me!! I got myself into one huge disappointment with a big burly guy from Austin! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:54 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Jetblue has an MoU, not an order. Moxy also has an MoU.


JetBlue will definitely firm, who knows about Moxy.
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:55 pm

Can't wait to see that beauty in DL colours!!!
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:10 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Jetblue has an MoU, not an order. Moxy also has an MoU.


JetBlue absolutely has a firm order placed.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:11 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
zschocheimages wrote:
Has anyone found them yet on the booking page? I just did some ghost bookings beginning on 31 January and everything still shows 717/319/320 (even into Feb).
Per the article linked by OP, they will not be for sale until October 20th.

Right at the top of the chart in the article, it's stated that all routes will be for sale on 13Oct, except DTW-DFW, which opens on 20Oct.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:15 pm

BOS-LGA makes sense for providing a lot of people opportunities to get experience on the aircraft.

A lot of those routes are heavy corporate / business traveler routes; Delta seems to be making a play for those customers on competitive routes with AA/UA.
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:18 pm

Given what people have said about Deltas goals in AUS, I am surprised to see DFW and IAH and no AUS. SLC-AUS sees alot of business traffic from tech companies.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:26 pm

masonh2479 wrote:
maverick4002 wrote:
Has any other US airline ordered this aircraft?

JetBlue has


jetBlue has, but they ordered the larger A220-300 with options to convert some to the A220-100. Delta basically has the opposite. They ordered the A220-100 with options to convert some to the A220-300.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:30 pm

Do we know what flight is the inaugural?
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:32 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
Can't wait to see that beauty in DL colours!!!


It was rolled out in full DL colors a few weeks ago

https://news.delta.com/fresh-paint-shop ... first-a220
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:38 pm

AA94 wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Jetblue has an MoU, not an order. Moxy also has an MoU.


JetBlue absolutely has a firm order placed.

JetBlue absolutely does not have a firm order placed as of September 30th, check Airbus’s official order book if you don’t believe me ;)

But B6 will no doubt firm it soonish.
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:39 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Given what people have said about Deltas goals in AUS, I am surprised to see DFW and IAH and no AUS. SLC-AUS sees alot of business traffic from tech companies.


Look at Delta's capacity LGA/DTW/MSP/SLC-DFW vs. what they have into AUS. Look at competitors' numbers. Put the new plane where the passengers are.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:40 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Given what people have said about Deltas goals in AUS, I am surprised to see DFW and IAH and no AUS. SLC-AUS sees alot of business traffic from tech companies.


I think AUS is barely outside the LGA-perimeter rule, so it wouldn't make sense with LGA being the first base.

That said, I do hope we eventually see it on SLC-AUS (my most frequented route as of late) and maintain a solid 3x daily, instead of bouncing between 1x and 3x like it's been doing.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:44 pm

Very Texas-centric for the near future! Makes sense, and it's good to see that they'll be using the A220 on MSP/DTW-Texas flights since those are pretty heavily RJ for the moment.

I expect LGA-BOS is in the mix largely for utilization purposes between the various LGA-Texas rotations.

I suppose we'll continue to see the 717s on the West Coast for quite a while yet since the initial deployment of the A220s is skewed more East...
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:53 pm

MastaHanky wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Given what people have said about Deltas goals in AUS, I am surprised to see DFW and IAH and no AUS. SLC-AUS sees alot of business traffic from tech companies.


I think AUS is barely outside the LGA-perimeter rule, so it wouldn't make sense with LGA being the first base.

That said, I do hope we eventually see it on SLC-AUS (my most frequented route as of late) and maintain a solid 3x daily, instead of bouncing between 1x and 3x like it's been doing.


DL does 3x JFK-AUS due to the perimeter rule with 2x JFK-AUS on Saturdays and all are currently on the A320. So the market is rather well served despite not being able to fly LGA-AUS. I believe AUS is mostly mainline from all hubs with the odd RJ here and there. For instance, today's schedule has 3x JFK-AUS, 3x MSP-AUS, 3x DTW-AUS, 3x SLC-AUS, and 8x ATL-AUS with the only Delta Connection flight being the afternoon SLC-AUS flight which is on a CR9. Pretty impressive for a spoke city. If DL wanted to give LGA-AUS a try on Saturdays I'm sure they would, but their track record of Saturday only beyond perimeter flights from LGA is not that great.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:06 pm

jetblueguy22 wrote:
Fascinating to me that they are really focusing on DFW. Is that a TechOps station?


My educated guess would be they can use IAH and DFW to rotate them between the hubs without busting whatever the range cap imposed upon DL was.
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:09 pm

I'm sure this has been covered, but what will be the pilot bases on the A220? NYC?
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:14 pm

evank516 wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
evank516 wrote:
So that means JFK/LGA-ORD will probably see them considering the heavy presence of AA/UA.
They ordered a bunch of them, so I am sure it will make it there eventually, but it seems like NYC-ORD has more mainline than NYC-Texas for DL.

From the deployment, it looks like DL is trying for a consistent product. They would need many more to cover NYC-ORD completely. Texas not so much.


Fair point. However my fingers are crossed to see them on LGA-MCI too! They may not compete with AA/UA on that route since AA axed it, but they do have WN on that with them and they just upped their game to 2 737s per day except Saturdays.


Agreed. Would love to see DL A220s flying over the house when 9-27 is in ops.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:15 pm

FSDan wrote:
I expect LGA-BOS is in the mix largely for utilization purposes between the various LGA-Texas rotations.


The short stage length also allows a lot of cycles to quickly build crew experience on the type.
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:37 pm

ScottB wrote:
Themotionman wrote:
LGA-BOS suprises me somewhat. Surely this route is extremely frequency sensitive.


It shouldn't. The schedule won't change: still hourly Shuttle service. The A220 is a modest upgauge from the E175 and a modest downgauge from the 717 which are most frequently seen on LGA-BOS. Hopefully it won't go all-A220 since the peak hour flights could use larger equipment.

jb1087xna wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
Looks like DFW is going to be the big test market for the A220.


Yes, and really TX overall once Houston comes online by mid-year.


DL has a pretty heavy reliance on RJs to IAH & DFW (outside of ATL routes); this should help free up a fair amount of large RJ time for shorter markets as the 50-seaters continue to exit the system.



Can you point to any definitive, firm announcement of any CR2 exit from the Delta Connection fleet in 2019? I ask because to my knowledge, such an announcement has never been made
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:38 pm

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Victorville wrote:
I'm sure this has been covered, but what will be the pilot bases on the A220? NYC?


NYC and SLC for now
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:40 pm

Victorville wrote:
FSDan wrote:
I expect LGA-BOS is in the mix largely for utilization purposes between the various LGA-Texas rotations.


The short stage length also allows a lot of cycles to quickly build crew experience on the type.


Exactly, the staffing snafus that came with the 350 could have been cured by doing the same thing with it. Domestic turns would have built up experience much quicker
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:48 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
Can you point to any definitive, firm announcement of any CR2 exit from the Delta Connection fleet in 2019? I ask because to my knowledge, such an announcement has never been made


The CR2s aren't leaving the Delta Connection fleet yet, but the total number in the fleet will decline.
 
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:54 pm

Regarding AUS, since the a220 is getting assigned to routes normally flown by large RJs, RDU-AUS would make sense as it’s currently flown by CR7/9s and the route connects Silicon Hills to the Triangle.

Not for a while however.

Glory to the a220!
 
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:00 pm

ScottB wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
Can you point to any definitive, firm announcement of any CR2 exit from the Delta Connection fleet in 2019? I ask because to my knowledge, such an announcement has never been made


The CR2s aren't leaving the Delta Connection fleet yet, but the total number in the fleet will decline.


I understand that. But you seem to imply that it’s an imminent parking of airplanes, when in actuality there is zero short term plan for removal of any CR2s
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Re: Delta’s new A220 narrowbody coming on sale for January debut

Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:06 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
ScottB wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
Can you point to any definitive, firm announcement of any CR2 exit from the Delta Connection fleet in 2019? I ask because to my knowledge, such an announcement has never been made


The CR2s aren't leaving the Delta Connection fleet yet, but the total number in the fleet will decline.


I understand that. But you seem to imply that it’s an imminent parking of airplanes, when in actuality there is zero short term plan for removal of any CR2s


That depends on what you mean by short term. There's a plan to reduce count by about 75 by 2023.

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