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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:05 am

Looks like that runway extension at HHH is paying off. Amazing how much UA is adding.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:12 am

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Ugh, with IAD-PHL ending, it's becoming even harder now for TATL flying out of PHL on Star Alliance. I think it's down to LH to FRA or AC via YUL/YYZ.

And in my experience they actually tried to route a number of domestic connections via IAD over ORD or IAH. Interesting that for the first time in forever, IAD-PHL had one mainline 320 this past summer.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:21 am

Looks like UA jumped on WN cutting CMH-OAK and finally started CMH-SFO. Let's see how much this impacts SFO-CVG, if at all.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:21 am

tphuang wrote:
really interesting, a lot of shifting to IAD going on there. I'm not convinced this will necessarily work out beneficial for UA.


It at least gives these hubs distinct identities. I’d be most interested to understand whether EWR ends up w larger gauge aircraft to make it a more efficient hub.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:43 am

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Thanks as always enilria!

AA sure has been adding quite a bit in OKC in the last year and looks like PHX is working well with the addition. Hopefully this add works out well around the Spring Break time frame. In a year OKC has gone from no PHX, PHL or DCA to 2X PHX, 2X PHL and 1X DCA!
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:11 am

Bummer on the EWR-HAM route going away. I was planning on booking that flight in a few weeks actually for next June. If only they would move that to IAD now.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:13 am

Bummer on the EWR-HAM route going away. I was planning on booking that flight in a few weeks actually for next June. If only they would move that to IAD now.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:15 am

I'm guessing there will be weekly rollouts of IAD vs. EWR changes and they weren't all done at one time?

I would think a round of frequency additions to IAD will be somewhere down the line. Then this will also have to have some effect on international business as well. I think it is a smart move.

A.NET folks' airport experience preferences and typical consumer expectations I would imagine are not the same.

Reliable, timely connections are more important than airport aesthetics. IAD utilization may reduce complaints and costs of rebooking in addition to just shifting the connection point.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:16 am

ual763 wrote:
Bummer on the EWR-HAM route going away. I was planning on booking that flight in a few weeks actually for next June. If only they would move that to IAD now.




Yes, it is unfortunate. HAM joins a long list with BFS, CPG, OSL, BHX, BRS, STR, etc that have gone away.

If it didn’t work from EWR I don’t think there is any chance at IAD. Post merger does IAD have any service that isn’t at EWR?
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:27 am

tpaewr wrote:
ual763 wrote:
Bummer on the EWR-HAM route going away. I was planning on booking that flight in a few weeks actually for next June. If only they would move that to IAD now.




Yes, it is unfortunate. HAM joins a long list with BFS, CPG, OSL, BHX, BRS, STR, etc that have gone away.

If it didn’t work from EWR I don’t think there is any chance at IAD. Post merger does IAD have any service that isn’t at EWR?


They had Dubai until Emirates came in with the 380.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:36 am

tpaewr wrote:
ual763 wrote:
Bummer on the EWR-HAM route going away. I was planning on booking that flight in a few weeks actually for next June. If only they would move that to IAD now.




Yes, it is unfortunate. HAM joins a long list with BFS, CPG, OSL, BHX, BRS, STR, etc that have gone away.

If it didn’t work from EWR I don’t think there is any chance at IAD. Post merger does IAD have any service that isn’t at EWR?


Also, kind of ironic that this article was written only a week ago...

https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/new ... ve-in.html
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:33 am

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Good for UA with their recent adds. I see B6 is winding down operations, getting ready for AS, UA, or F9 to buy them out.


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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:26 am

ual763 wrote:
tpaewr wrote:
ual763 wrote:
Bummer on the EWR-HAM route going away. I was planning on booking that flight in a few weeks actually for next June. If only they would move that to IAD now.




Yes, it is unfortunate. HAM joins a long list with BFS, CPG, OSL, BHX, BRS, STR, etc that have gone away.

If it didn’t work from EWR I don’t think there is any chance at IAD. Post merger does IAD have any service that isn’t at EWR?


They had Dubai until Emirates came in with the 380.



As much as I miss the DXB route it was launched long before UA inherented the prize of a NYC hub.

It was lost not because of the 380 but because EK was able to exploit putting a B6 code on their flights letting them take all government and military traffic from DC.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:30 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
enilria wrote:
*UA AVL-EWR FEB 0.9>0.4[0.9] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.1] MAY 1.0>0[1.0]
*UA AVL-IAD FEB 0>1.1[0] MAR 0>2[0] APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0] JUL 0>2[0]


Wow, really surprised about this. CO/UA has flown AVL-EWR for almost 20 years, and it went mainline nearly 2 years ago. I'm guessing G4 will look at making AVL-EWR daily.

In my opinion this is a win for AVL. The lack of a direct D.C. connection was a huge hole at AVL. They also appear to be focusing on IAD to the south as evidenced by recently changing CHA from EWR to IAD and the HHH add among others. The seat count will be about the same just to IAD and G4 might be better able to grow the AVL-EWR not having the competition. Curious what your thoughts are? I’m sure it stings a little losing the mainline flight though. Btw UA also dropped the mainline TYS-EWR. I guess they are no longer fearful of G4.


It is true that AVL-IAD or DCA has been a huge missing piece of the puzzle here and always surprising that it's never been flown. Admittedly, I would've thought UA would have started IAD and kept EWR or at least dropped back to a single CRJ flight. But clearly, as you point out, this is part of a larger IAD strategy.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:37 pm

Is B6 increasing flights to CLT?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:45 pm

csweet wrote:
Is B6 increasing flights to CLT?

BOS-CLT is up to 3 times a day. JFK-CLT is still at twice a day. Both routes quite profitable at current frequency.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:11 pm

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Super80Fan wrote:
Good for UA with their recent adds. I see B6 is winding down operations, getting ready for AS, UA, or F9 to buy them out.


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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:12 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
enilria wrote:
*UA AVL-EWR FEB 0.9>0.4[0.9] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.1] MAY 1.0>0[1.0]
*UA AVL-IAD FEB 0>1.1[0] MAR 0>2[0] APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0] JUL 0>2[0]


Wow, really surprised about this. CO/UA has flown AVL-EWR for almost 20 years, and it went mainline nearly 2 years ago. I'm guessing G4 will look at making AVL-EWR daily.


I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering how long UA would keep the EWR flight with G4 running the route. I wonder if the IAD flight be mainline or an RJ. Wish we had more mainline here in AVL. Was nice to see the AA 321 last week when i played the bagpipes for the honour flight.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:14 pm

airtrantpa wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
enilria wrote:
*UA AVL-EWR FEB 0.9>0.4[0.9] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.1] MAY 1.0>0[1.0]
*UA AVL-IAD FEB 0>1.1[0] MAR 0>2[0] APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0] JUL 0>2[0]


Wow, really surprised about this. CO/UA has flown AVL-EWR for almost 20 years, and it went mainline nearly 2 years ago. I'm guessing G4 will look at making AVL-EWR daily.


I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering how long UA would keep the EWR flight with G4 running the route. I wonder if the IAD flight be mainline or an RJ. Wish we had more mainline here in AVL. Was nice to see the AA 321 last week when i played the bagpipes for the honour flight.

I doubt one of them will be mainline. I'm guessing one will be a E145/CRJ200 and the other will be a CRJ-700. I'm not sure though. I would love to see mainline on that route, I'm just not sure its going to happen yet
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:20 pm

I think moving connecting flights from EWR to IAD makes sense. It frees up EWR to focus on O&D and some international connections while IAD takes over bulk connections. What surprises me a bit is that they don’t keep a single EWR flight to tap O&D since most of the cities being moved thus far have some decent O&D, especially when timed for the NYC business day. I suppose UA is willing to dispose of this to focus on bigger cities.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:35 pm

N292UX wrote:
airtrantpa wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:

Wow, really surprised about this. CO/UA has flown AVL-EWR for almost 20 years, and it went mainline nearly 2 years ago. I'm guessing G4 will look at making AVL-EWR daily.


I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering how long UA would keep the EWR flight with G4 running the route. I wonder if the IAD flight be mainline or an RJ. Wish we had more mainline here in AVL. Was nice to see the AA 321 last week when i played the bagpipes for the honour flight.

I doubt one of them will be mainline. I'm guessing one will be a E145/CRJ200 and the other will be a CRJ-700. I'm not sure though. I would love to see mainline on that route, I'm just not sure its going to happen yet


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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:37 pm

ryder1650 wrote:
Looks like UA jumped on WN cutting CMH-OAK and finally started CMH-SFO. Let's see how much this impacts SFO-CVG, if at all.


I'm wondering if this OAK/SFO is to CMH as CDG/LHR was to PIT; maybe WN knew it was coming and decided to shut it down. It might also be throwing the block on AS trying it at some point.

It'll be interesting to see if/how much CRAA threw at them to get it.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:43 pm

[quote="SESGDL"]Wow, I’m shocked that UA is dropping DFW-LAX


Nooooo! I cannot tolerate 3 hours in WN, no E+.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:49 pm

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PlanesNTrains wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Good for UA with their recent adds. I see B6 is winding down operations, getting ready for AS, UA, or F9 to buy them out.


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If you actually bothered to look up the flight totals, you would see their capacity is up and flights have increased. But since you don’t bother with that, you can keep spewing off your anger at JetBlue for who knows what.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:57 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
Thanks Enilria. I would like to know how many times I refreshed throughout the day patiently waiting haha! The most surprising of the UA adds to me is MSN-LAX. That is now 2 links to the west coast from UA there. MSN has been on a tear there lately with new service!

Thanks

That and EWR-PNS getting added while so many other similar routes got cut.

TWFlyGuy wrote:
Looks like that runway extension at HHH is paying off. Amazing how much UA is adding.

That’s a great Summer market. Winter maybe not.
ual763 wrote:
Bummer on the EWR-HAM route going away. I was planning on booking that flight in a few weeks actually for next June. If only they would move that to IAD now.

With the loss of connecting spokes we may see collateral damage on routes like that.
LotsaRunway wrote:
I think moving connecting flights from EWR to IAD makes sense. It frees up EWR to focus on O&D and some international connections while IAD takes over bulk connections. What surprises me a bit is that they don’t keep a single EWR flight to tap O&D since most of the cities being moved thus far have some decent O&D, especially when timed for the NYC business day. I suppose UA is willing to dispose of this to focus on bigger cities.

People are saying this is about airport congestion. It isn’t. They won’t significantly reduce flights because somebody else will move to fill the gap. This is about the bottom line. They are apparently making so much money at EWR that they can afford to get rid of connects. Speaks volume to what happens when you constrain supply of gates or slots or airspace.

caljn wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
Wow, I’m shocked that UA is dropping DFW-LAX


Nooooo! I cannot tolerate 3 hours in WN, no E+.

I’m really shocked they went from 3x to 0. You rarely see that. Usually it whittles down to 1 or maybe 2 first.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:02 pm

I wonder if UA is going to start SBN-IAD since they've dropped the flight to EWR. I would also be curious to see if DL will consider adding LGA since they operate a flight on football weekends, normally with a B-717, and ND has one of the largest alumni bases (if not the largest) in NYC.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:06 pm

caljn wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
Wow, I’m shocked that UA is dropping DFW-LAX


Nooooo! I cannot tolerate 3 hours in WN, no E+.


I got an easy solution for you, AA flies DFW-LAX many times a day on many different aircraft that all have E+.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:14 pm

Here is something official on one of the EWR routes dropped. SBN-EWR . From the South Bend International Airport

"We will be retaining the EWR service seasonally each fall. We will be putting out more information on this soon."
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:43 pm

ryder1650 wrote:
Looks like UA jumped on WN cutting CMH-OAK and finally started CMH-SFO. Let's see how much this impacts SFO-CVG, if at all.
I doubt this affects SFO-CVG at all (or just on the tiniest of margins). It will be interesting to see if WN adds back CMH-OAK for the summer at its next schedule extension.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:50 pm

enilria wrote:
TWFlyGuy wrote:
Looks like that runway extension at HHH is paying off. Amazing how much UA is adding.

That’s a great Summer market. Winter maybe not.


If they cater to the golf crowd, the "season" there is a lot longer than just Memorial Day to Labor Day summer.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:54 pm

Summary of UA East coast changes:

Moving from EWR to IAD: ELM, LEX, MHT, AVL

Cut from IAD: CRW (capacity backfilled to ORD), PHL

Cut from EWR: SBN

New to EWR: PNS

I see the elimination of HAM as being a separate issue. The JV likely thinks they will capture the vast majority of US-HAM traffic anyway. I also see the HHH additions as unrelated and for the local market.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:08 pm

Didn't USAirways serve DCA-HHH at one time? I wonder if UA's IAD service prompts a return?
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:11 pm

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enilria wrote:
*UA EWR-MHT MAR 2>3[3] APR 2>0[3] MAY 2>0[3] JUN 2>0[2] JUL 2>0[3]

Yet another huge blow for MHT. :(


United is pushing the connecting traffic to IAD. Which makes sense to me. EWR is just a disaster in winter/peak summer for connections. Its just scheduled to run at 101% at all times no space for bad weather.

United has also decided to focus on the more important business markets of BOS and BTV instead. United recently boosted BTV and mentioned them in the press release of routes that will see more frequency and benefiting from the re-alignment. More commuter type business travelers and connections to Europe out of BTV and BOS. They are focusing on those markets and pushing those connections to IAD out of MHT.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:18 pm

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Super80Fan wrote:
Good for UA with their recent adds. I see B6 is winding down operations, getting ready for AS, UA, or F9 to buy them out.


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You mean starting with your logic? Or your lack of data to back that up? Or any reference whatsoever to AS, F9, or UA kicking their tires?

You’re taking changes to their route network and spinning that into a “winding down operations” comment and then picking random airlines that they want them to be bought out by.

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Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:50 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
The most surprising of the UA adds to me is MSN-LAX. That is now 2 links to the west coast from UA there. MSN has been on a tear there lately with new service!


It's great to see MSN getting a link to LAX (and I think that indicates MSN-SFO has been a success for UA). However, the surprise for me here is that UA started the route before DL. I though LAX might be one of the next adds for MSN (along with BOS), but with UA's recent cutbacks at LAX and DL's strong position in MSN and growing operation at LAX, I figured they'd be the airline (if BOS happens, I still think that would be on DL).

Fun (and crazy) fact: this will make MSN one of only 4 domestic markets UA serves from LAX between Texas and the Eastern Seaboard - the others are ORD, CLE, and MCO.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:57 pm

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Didn't USAirways serve DCA-HHH at one time? I wonder if UA's IAD service prompts a return?


And when is DL going back? That's the other question.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:16 pm

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ual763 wrote:
Bummer on the EWR-HAM route going away. I was planning on booking that flight in a few weeks actually for next June. If only they would move that to IAD now.




Yes, it is unfortunate. HAM joins a long list with BFS, CPG, OSL, BHX, BRS, STR, etc that have gone away.

If it didn’t work from EWR I don’t think there is any chance at IAD. Post merger does IAD have any service that isn’t at EWR?


I dont think they will do that, even though traffic from HAM to IAD is almost as high as Berlin - IAD (with all the capital-capital traffic) and MUCH higher than DUS-IAD.
Looks Like they couldnt even make HAM-EWR work in a way they want, by offering bad service scaring away business travelers who prefer flying via FRA despite the nonstop. Continental did a much better job.
Still loads were 88-89% this season which is not bad, and it was not 450$ fares only.

Most likely IMO is Delta adding service to Hamburg, huge opportunities on ATL-HAM and now JFK-HAM also. They could be the only Airline serving the 6th largest EU City and the wealthiest german city from the US.
Or maybe we will see Emirates flying HAM-JFK again? A380 service to HAM from DXB starts in two weeks.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:53 pm

After 13 years of operations, seasonal service to HAM (EDDH) will be ultimately suspended and not resumed in 2019, leaving HAM (the 2nd largest German metropole) without any trans-atlantik flights.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:14 pm

FSDan wrote:
Fun (and crazy) fact: this will make MSN one of only 4 domestic markets UA serves from LAX between Texas and the Eastern Seaboard - the others are ORD, CLE, and MCO.

Also BOS, BWI, EWR, and IAD. But still, very few midwest/eastern stations overall.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:17 pm

DLHAM wrote:
tpaewr wrote:
ual763 wrote:
Bummer on the EWR-HAM route going away. I was planning on booking that flight in a few weeks actually for next June. If only they would move that to IAD now.




Yes, it is unfortunate. HAM joins a long list with BFS, CPG, OSL, BHX, BRS, STR, etc that have gone away.

If it didn’t work from EWR I don’t think there is any chance at IAD. Post merger does IAD have any service that isn’t at EWR?


I dont think they will do that, even though traffic from HAM to IAD is almost as high as Berlin - IAD (with all the capital-capital traffic) and MUCH higher than DUS-IAD.
Looks Like they couldnt even make HAM-EWR work in a way they want, by offering bad service scaring away business travelers who prefer flying via FRA despite the nonstop. Continental did a much better job.
Still loads were 88-89% this season which is not bad, and it was not 450$ fares only.

Most likely IMO is Delta adding service to Hamburg, huge opportunities on ATL-HAM and now JFK-HAM also. They could be the only Airline serving the 6th largest EU City and the wealthiest german city from the US.
Or maybe we will see Emirates flying HAM-JFK again? A380 service to HAM from DXB starts in two weeks.


Doubtful you see DL metal in HAM, that is what the AK/KLM JV is for. EK is not going to fly from DXB to the US via HAM, they tried it and dropped it.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:37 pm

chepos wrote:
Doubtful you see DL metal in HAM, that is what the AK/KLM JV is for. EK is not going to fly from DXB to the US via HAM, they tried it and dropped it.


Delta also added Berlin. With that theory Delta should have not added any new EU Destination in the last 15(?) years. Emirates served Hamburg with competition by Continental Airlines, and they dropped it not only because of economical reasons.
Since then, 10 years went by, there are 120.000 passengers (24% Business Traffic) between HAM and NY annually. Thats a lot, more than enough for at least one daily yearround flight (which was reality from 2005-2017, with a second daily from 2006-2008). United only flew 22,7% of those 120.000 in 2017.

Not only Lufthansa increases MUC with 10 flights a week next summer, also they increase DUS from 8 to 11 daily on weekdays, with perfect NYC connection possibilities. Along with Icelandair increasing to 10/7. Thats not because of lack of passenger demand to North America.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:58 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
lowfareair wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:

Going to Newark isn’t in the cards for Star Alliance service? I am shocked this service ended but guess LF weren’t great


EWR is a bit away from PHL, although people do use it when the price/timing make sense vs PHL for flights. They have Amtrak via 30th Street, but it isn't the best for making connections and the UA codeshare know the trains don't work for other Star carriers.


Oh yea I live in Philly so I’m aware about the distance and all. I just wasn’t sure if you were a loyal FF for Star alliance figure Newark would make it easier in sense. Only good thing I can say is at least LH increase capacity starting end of March 19 with 747 being used. I agreed overall traveling to Newark and JFK is quite a distance and costly

Where is LH sending the 747? Newark?
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:08 pm

steeler83 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
lowfareair wrote:

EWR is a bit away from PHL, although people do use it when the price/timing make sense vs PHL for flights. They have Amtrak via 30th Street, but it isn't the best for making connections and the UA codeshare know the trains don't work for other Star carriers.


Oh yea I live in Philly so I’m aware about the distance and all. I just wasn’t sure if you were a loyal FF for Star alliance figure Newark would make it easier in sense. Only good thing I can say is at least LH increase capacity starting end of March 19 with 747 being used. I agreed overall traveling to Newark and JFK is quite a distance and costly

Where is LH sending the 747? Newark?


LH bringing the 747-400 to PHL starting on March 31st next year. Pretty much taking advantage of AA dropping the FRA and MUC routes.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:28 pm

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TYSflyer wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:

Wow, really surprised about this. CO/UA has flown AVL-EWR for almost 20 years, and it went mainline nearly 2 years ago. I'm guessing G4 will look at making AVL-EWR daily.

In my opinion this is a win for AVL. The lack of a direct D.C. connection was a huge hole at AVL. They also appear to be focusing on IAD to the south as evidenced by recently changing CHA from EWR to IAD and the HHH add among others. The seat count will be about the same just to IAD and G4 might be better able to grow the AVL-EWR not having the competition. Curious what your thoughts are? I’m sure it stings a little losing the mainline flight though. Btw UA also dropped the mainline TYS-EWR. I guess they are no longer fearful of G4.


It is true that AVL-IAD or DCA has been a huge missing piece of the puzzle here and always surprising that it's never been flown. Admittedly, I would've thought UA would have started IAD and kept EWR or at least dropped back to a single CRJ flight. But clearly, as you point out, this is part of a larger IAD strategy.


Looks like AVL-EWR comes back as a daily summer seasonal on June 6, via UAX.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:46 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:

Oh yea I live in Philly so I’m aware about the distance and all. I just wasn’t sure if you were a loyal FF for Star alliance figure Newark would make it easier in sense. Only good thing I can say is at least LH increase capacity starting end of March 19 with 747 being used. I agreed overall traveling to Newark and JFK is quite a distance and costly

Where is LH sending the 747? Newark?


LH bringing the 747-400 to PHL starting on March 31st next year. Pretty much taking advantage of AA dropping the FRA and MUC routes.

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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:57 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
Thanks Enilria. I would like to know how many times I refreshed throughout the day patiently waiting haha! The most surprising of the UA adds to me is MSN-LAX. That is now 2 links to the west coast from UA there. MSN has been on a tear there lately with new service!


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caljn wrote:
Nooooo! I cannot tolerate 3 hours in WN, no E+.


Buy up to Business Select and take the bulkhead or exit row. Same idea.

SESGDL wrote:
Wow, I’m shocked that UA is dropping DFW-LAX.


Same here. DFW/DAL is the #7 O&D market from L.A. and I think it becomes challenging to retain frequent flyer loyalty for a legacy carrier in a market with multiple hubs if you don't offer the top O&Ds. Then again, DL doesn't fly LAX-ORD. It seems like UA is trying to pivot out of LAX markets with heavy competition and into thinner markets with little competition -- sort of like B6's last-ditch effort at LGB. I'm not sure that's a strategy which will ultimately be successful.

FlyPNS1 wrote:
I will say IAD-AVL should have been added a long time ago. Lots of people in DC area go to AVL, so the lack of service there was always odd. Slightly surprised they want to launch IAD-HHH, when they haven't even historically done IAD-MYR which is a bigger market.


I'm really a bit surprised AA doesn't offer DCA-AVL, but then they've already managed to capture about two-thirds of the WAS-AVL O&D traffic without a non-stop. I'd expect them to find a slot for a flight into DCA in order to protect their share considering yields are around 60 cents/mile.

Given market positioning (IMO Hilton Head is a fair bit more upscale than Myrtle Beach) and geography, I'd expect MYR to be much more of a drive market from WAS; HHH is a couple of hours further. It probably says something when MYR's largest carrier is NK with half the traffic.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:03 pm

I wonder if we see Delta upgauge LGA-LEX/MHT. I could also see them starting LGA-SBN.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:04 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
N292UX wrote:
airtrantpa wrote:

I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering how long UA would keep the EWR flight with G4 running the route. I wonder if the IAD flight be mainline or an RJ. Wish we had more mainline here in AVL. Was nice to see the AA 321 last week when i played the bagpipes for the honour flight.

I doubt one of them will be mainline. I'm guessing one will be a E145/CRJ200 and the other will be a CRJ-700. I'm not sure though. I would love to see mainline on that route, I'm just not sure its going to happen yet


It's currently scheduled as 2x CRJ200, aka Satan's Chariot.

RIP. That'll be rough. Looks like all of the new IAD routes except for HHH are going to be on CRJ-200s... So a significant add for 50 seaters at IAD. That being said there was 1-2 50 seaters on IAD-PHL and both CRW flights too.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:56 pm

DLHAM wrote:
tpaewr wrote:
ual763 wrote:
Bummer on the EWR-HAM route going away. I was planning on booking that flight in a few weeks actually for next June. If only they would move that to IAD now.




Yes, it is unfortunate. HAM joins a long list with BFS, CPG, OSL, BHX, BRS, STR, etc that have gone away.

If it didn’t work from EWR I don’t think there is any chance at IAD. Post merger does IAD have any service that isn’t at EWR?


Like they couldnt even make HAM-EWR work in a way they want, by offering bad service scaring away business travelers who prefer flying via FRA despite the nonstop.


On trans-Atlantic flights, there is very little difference in service quality between Delta, United, & even Lufthansa. I’ve taken all three in the last year. On Delta & United the 767, Lufthansa the 747. The updated United 767s are actually really nice. Both Delta and United had better economy food imo than Lufthansa (First is obviously a different story.). But, the United and Delta seats were far superior to those of Lufthansa Economy.

But, in all seriousness, isn’t Eurowings starting to go Trans-Atlantic? If so, could they possibly fly HAM-JFK or HAM-EWR. That is much more likely imo.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:56 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
TYSflyer wrote:
In my opinion this is a win for AVL. The lack of a direct D.C. connection was a huge hole at AVL. They also appear to be focusing on IAD to the south as evidenced by recently changing CHA from EWR to IAD and the HHH add among others. The seat count will be about the same just to IAD and G4 might be better able to grow the AVL-EWR not having the competition. Curious what your thoughts are? I’m sure it stings a little losing the mainline flight though. Btw UA also dropped the mainline TYS-EWR. I guess they are no longer fearful of G4.


It is true that AVL-IAD or DCA has been a huge missing piece of the puzzle here and always surprising that it's never been flown. Admittedly, I would've thought UA would have started IAD and kept EWR or at least dropped back to a single CRJ flight. But clearly, as you point out, this is part of a larger IAD strategy.


Looks like AVL-EWR comes back as a daily summer seasonal on June 6, via UAX.

Didn’t it previously operate as summer seasonal before G4 entered the market?

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