Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
dmstorm22
Posts: 623
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:49 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:59 pm

ual763 wrote:
DLHAM wrote:
tpaewr wrote:



Yes, it is unfortunate. HAM joins a long list with BFS, CPG, OSL, BHX, BRS, STR, etc that have gone away.

If it didn’t work from EWR I don’t think there is any chance at IAD. Post merger does IAD have any service that isn’t at EWR?


Like they couldnt even make HAM-EWR work in a way they want, by offering bad service scaring away business travelers who prefer flying via FRA despite the nonstop.


On trans-Atlantic flights, there is very little difference in service quality between Delta, United, & even Lufthansa. I’ve taken all three in the last year. On Delta & United the 767, Lufthansa the 747. The updated United 767s are actually really nice. Both Delta and United had better economy food imo than Lufthansa (First is obviously a different story.). But, the United and Delta seats were far superior to those of Lufthansa Economy.

But, in all seriousness, isn’t Eurowings starting to go Trans-Atlantic? If so, could they possibly fly HAM-JFK or HAM-EWR. That is much more likely imo.


Can't speak to DL, but I've taken UA and LH multiple times TATL this year and fully agree, the difference between UA's B763/4 product and LH A346/A350 (what I've taken) is fairly small at this point. The days of the EU carriers offering significantly better hard product TATL is in the past.

As for Eurowings, yes, they are taking over the EWR-DUS route, for example.
 
Bigant0408
Posts: 601
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:26 am

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:01 pm

steeler83 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
Where is LH sending the 747? Newark?


LH bringing the 747-400 to PHL starting on March 31st next year. Pretty much taking advantage of AA dropping the FRA and MUC routes.

You made my day with that!


Glad I was able to help. Here's the Routes Online link if you wanted to see all of LH aircraft changes for next year
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-10oct18/
The man who sleeps on the floor doesn’t fall out of bed
 
SgtBarone
Posts: 248
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:20 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:26 pm

AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAS LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
User avatar
AVLAirlineFreq
Posts: 1443
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:31 am

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:03 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:


Looks like AVL-EWR comes back as a daily summer seasonal on June 6, via UAX.

Didn’t it previously operate as summer seasonal before G4 entered the market?


Yes, it was daily for a long time, then UA made it seasonal (spring through fall), then back to daily when G4 entered the market nearly two years ago.
 
EvanWSFO
Posts: 1145
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:22 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:26 pm

ryder1650 wrote:
Looks like UA jumped on WN cutting CMH-OAK and finally started CMH-SFO. Let's see how much this impacts SFO-CVG, if at all.


I don't think WN dropping CMH-OAK and UA adding SFO are related. CMH is one of the larger cities not connected to SFO and huge gateway to TPAC routes.
I have been on this site 15 years. A unrecoverable email account led me to starting over. Those of you who call me a rookie, you may stop ok?
 
User avatar
marcecar10
Posts: 21
Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:03 am

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:18 am

enilria wrote:
B6 FLL-LIM JUN 0>0.4[1.0]


Even with the instructions, I still don't know how to read it. Is this a good or bad thing for Lima's JetBlue operations? It looks like more service is being added, is that correct?
 
ericm2031
Posts: 1428
Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:46 am

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:38 am

marcecar10 wrote:
enilria wrote:
B6 FLL-LIM JUN 0>0.4[1.0]


Even with the instructions, I still don't know how to read it. Is this a good or bad thing for Lima's JetBlue operations? It looks like more service is being added, is that correct?


No, there was previously nothing for sale for June and now they've partially loaded it. The [1.0] means it was served daily last year, but until they load more of June, the number isn't accurate for comparison.
 
User avatar
klm617
Posts: 5394
Joined: Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:57 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:42 am

blackbox67 wrote:
After 13 years of operations, seasonal service to HAM (EDDH) will be ultimately suspended and not resumed in 2019, leaving HAM (the 2nd largest German metropole) without any trans-atlantik flights.


I think Hamburg would be a great place for a European ULCC to operate long haul flights to the USA. Would make a great hub as there are many places to reach in North America with a single aisle A321 or 737.
the truth does matter, guys. too bad it's often quite subjective. the truth is beyond the mere facts and figures. it's beyond good and bad, right and wrong...
 
TYSflyer
Posts: 320
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:44 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:10 pm

FSDan wrote:
TYSflyer wrote:
The most surprising of the UA adds to me is MSN-LAX. That is now 2 links to the west coast from UA there. MSN has been on a tear there lately with new service!


It's great to see MSN getting a link to LAX (and I think that indicates MSN-SFO has been a success for UA). However, the surprise for me here is that UA started the route before DL. I though LAX might be one of the next adds for MSN (along with BOS), but with UA's recent cutbacks at LAX and DL's strong position in MSN and growing operation at LAX, I figured they'd be the airline (if BOS happens, I still think that would be on DL).
Interesting fact! That is some good company for MSN.
Fun (and crazy) fact: this will make MSN one of only 4 domestic markets UA serves from LAX between Texas and the Eastern Seaboard - the others are ORD, CLE, and MCO.
 
Cubsrule
Posts: 14721
Joined: Sat May 15, 2004 12:13 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:16 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
ryder1650 wrote:
Looks like UA jumped on WN cutting CMH-OAK and finally started CMH-SFO. Let's see how much this impacts SFO-CVG, if at all.


I don't think WN dropping CMH-OAK and UA adding SFO are related. CMH is one of the larger cities not connected to SFO and huge gateway to TPAC routes.


The problem, of course, is that SFO is quite far out of the way for connections between CMH and Asia. It adds about an hour and a half of flying time versus ORD or DTW and is even inferior to NYC for some destinations (e.g. HKG).
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
 
steeler83
Posts: 7700
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:46 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:

LH bringing the 747-400 to PHL starting on March 31st next year. Pretty much taking advantage of AA dropping the FRA and MUC routes.

You made my day with that!


Glad I was able to help. Here's the Routes Online link if you wanted to see all of LH aircraft changes for next year
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-10oct18/

I do wonder where LH sends their 748s. I see they're sending one to Beijing. Back to PHL, I wonder if the BA744 and LH744 will be on the ground at the same time. Did this happen before? Back in 2003 or 2004 I want to say? I know for the longest time BA 066 was operated with a 772 and LH ran an A330/A340 on PHL-FRA.
Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
 
drdisque
Posts: 1395
Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:57 am

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:51 pm

Yeah, I see CMH-SFO being added primarily for the local market with the intended beyond markets likely being just Hawaii and Singapore.

With the economy in the Bay Area so hot, local business travel has exploded, especially with firms there finding it easier and cheaper to fly in talent from other less expensive cities for a day or a few days rather than try to hire additional people in the Bay Area.
 
Bigant0408
Posts: 601
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:26 am

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:16 pm

steeler83 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
You made my day with that!


Glad I was able to help. Here's the Routes Online link if you wanted to see all of LH aircraft changes for next year
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-10oct18/

I do wonder where LH sends their 748s. I see they're sending one to Beijing. Back to PHL, I wonder if the BA744 and LH744 will be on the ground at the same time. Did this happen before? Back in 2003 or 2004 I want to say? I know for the longest time BA 066 was operated with a 772 and LH ran an A330/A340 on PHL-FRA.


The only route I know for sure for the 748 is to Boston. I’m positive PHL can host both BA and LH 744s from either gates A15-17. Saw someone post In another thread that BA had two 747 daily years ago to PHL but not sure if they were on ground at same time.
The man who sleeps on the floor doesn’t fall out of bed
 
steeler83
Posts: 7700
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:49 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:

Glad I was able to help. Here's the Routes Online link if you wanted to see all of LH aircraft changes for next year
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-10oct18/

I do wonder where LH sends their 748s. I see they're sending one to Beijing. Back to PHL, I wonder if the BA744 and LH744 will be on the ground at the same time. Did this happen before? Back in 2003 or 2004 I want to say? I know for the longest time BA 066 was operated with a 772 and LH ran an A330/A340 on PHL-FRA.


The only route I know for sure for the 748 is to Boston. I’m positive PHL can host both BA and LH 744s from either gates A15-17. Saw someone post In another thread that BA had two 747 daily years ago to PHL but not sure if they were on ground at same time.

I actually did a little homework. The LH flight departs PHL at about 5:40pm (17:40) and the BA flight leaves an hour after that (18:45). I would assume that puts both on the ground at PHL at the same time.
Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
 
Bigant0408
Posts: 601
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:26 am

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:27 pm

steeler83 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
I do wonder where LH sends their 748s. I see they're sending one to Beijing. Back to PHL, I wonder if the BA744 and LH744 will be on the ground at the same time. Did this happen before? Back in 2003 or 2004 I want to say? I know for the longest time BA 066 was operated with a 772 and LH ran an A330/A340 on PHL-FRA.


The only route I know for sure for the 748 is to Boston. I’m positive PHL can host both BA and LH 744s from either gates A15-17. Saw someone post In another thread that BA had two 747 daily years ago to PHL but not sure if they were on ground at same time.

I actually did a little homework. The LH flight departs PHL at about 5:40pm (17:40) and the BA flight leaves an hour after that (18:45). I would assume that puts both on the ground at PHL at the same time.


Yea I figured that was the case. Can't wait to see this happen since this is so rare.
The man who sleeps on the floor doesn’t fall out of bed
 
steeler83
Posts: 7700
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:35 pm

^^ Same here. I have yet to pop my jumbo jet cherry. I did get to experience widebody air travel last year when flying on an A332 from PHL-CLT. Nice to know there is at least two options if traveling to Europe and beyond from PHL.
Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
 
Bigant0408
Posts: 601
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:26 am

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:56 pm

steeler83 wrote:
^^ Same here. I have yet to pop my jumbo jet cherry. I did get to experience widebody air travel last year when flying on an A332 from PHL-CLT. Nice to know there is at least two options if traveling to Europe and beyond from PHL.


I only been on one jumbo jet AF A380 this past June from JFK. And yea good to see more jumbos from PHL. Def need Asia service but that’s a thread and discussion on its own of course.
The man who sleeps on the floor doesn’t fall out of bed
 
FSDan
Posts: 3347
Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:27 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:12 pm

SgtBarone wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Fun (and crazy) fact: this will make MSN one of only 4 domestic markets UA serves from LAX between Texas and the Eastern Seaboard - the others are ORD, CLE, and MCO.

Also BOS, BWI, EWR, and IAD. But still, very few midwest/eastern stations overall.


I would consider all four of those to be "Eastern Seaboard" destinations. So still only 4 destinations between Texas and the Eastern Seaboard.
This is my signature until I think of a better one.
 
crescent
Posts: 108
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:09 am

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:07 pm

So UA doesn't care about short-haul O&D to LAX; it's all about LH and connecting western small cities to those LH flights.
 
cledaybuck
Posts: 1787
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:07 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:18 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
ryder1650 wrote:
Looks like UA jumped on WN cutting CMH-OAK and finally started CMH-SFO. Let's see how much this impacts SFO-CVG, if at all.


I don't think WN dropping CMH-OAK and UA adding SFO are related. CMH is one of the larger cities not connected to SFO and huge gateway to TPAC routes.


The problem, of course, is that SFO is quite far out of the way for connections between CMH and Asia. It adds about an hour and a half of flying time versus ORD or DTW and is even inferior to NYC for some destinations (e.g. HKG).
I don't think this flight is aimed at connections to Asia. SFO-CMH doesn't even connect to most of the flights coming in from Asia without a really long layover. I think this flight is mostly aimed at the local market with some connections up and down the coast. Any connections to Asia are just the cherry on top.
As we celebrate mediocrity, all the boys upstairs want to see, how much you'll pay for what you used to get for free.
 
Cubsrule
Posts: 14721
Joined: Sat May 15, 2004 12:13 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:27 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:

I don't think WN dropping CMH-OAK and UA adding SFO are related. CMH is one of the larger cities not connected to SFO and huge gateway to TPAC routes.


The problem, of course, is that SFO is quite far out of the way for connections between CMH and Asia. It adds about an hour and a half of flying time versus ORD or DTW and is even inferior to NYC for some destinations (e.g. HKG).
I don't think this flight is aimed at connections to Asia. SFO-CMH doesn't even connect to most of the flights coming in from Asia without a really long layover. I think this flight is mostly aimed at the local market with some connections up and down the coast. Any connections to Asia are just the cherry on top.


Agreed, and I think that's true of much of the flying from SFO to points east of Interstate 35 or so. The Bay Area is a strong local market, though, and many of the longer domestic routes from SFO are to cities that do not have a lot of other service to non-LAX points on the west coast.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
 
ryder1650
Posts: 22
Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:50 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:36 pm

SFO-CVG connects well with the Asia arrival bank. CMH-SFO connects well with the Asia departure bank. Go figure.
 
cledaybuck
Posts: 1787
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:07 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:43 pm

ryder1650 wrote:
SFO-CVG connects well with the Asia arrival bank. CMH-SFO connects well with the Asia departure bank. Go figure.
It's all part of the plan to capture the huge DAY-Asia market. :D
As we celebrate mediocrity, all the boys upstairs want to see, how much you'll pay for what you used to get for free.
 
freakyrat
Posts: 2127
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:04 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:26 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
I think moving connecting flights from EWR to IAD makes sense. It frees up EWR to focus on O&D and some international connections while IAD takes over bulk connections. What surprises me a bit is that they don’t keep a single EWR flight to tap O&D since most of the cities being moved thus far have some decent O&D, especially when timed for the NYC business day. I suppose UA is willing to dispose of this to focus on bigger cities.


For Example: SBN-EWR is going seasonal twice daily from September thru December even though it has decent O/D loads mainly because it's popular with the ND students.

Once UA gets the RJ's moved to IAD and everything square away there I believe we will see some more of these former EWR connecting flights at IAD as well.
 
RCS763AV
Posts: 3860
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:22 am

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:35 pm

So B6 are having some major schedule tweaks from FLL to BOG and MDE this year, is it possible the complete schedule hadn't been loaded? It's weird they would reduce BOG-FLL to less than daily in the peak travel season (june) while in january it's being operated 11x weekly.

Similar story with FLL-MDE and BOG-MCO.
 
tphuang
Posts: 5693
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:04 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:59 pm

They are not going less than daily on those routes. They just haven’t loaded all of June schedule yet.
 
PHLspecial
Posts: 698
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:11 pm

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:52 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
^^ Same here. I have yet to pop my jumbo jet cherry. I did get to experience widebody air travel last year when flying on an A332 from PHL-CLT. Nice to know there is at least two options if traveling to Europe and beyond from PHL.


I only been on one jumbo jet AF A380 this past June from JFK. And yea good to see more jumbos from PHL. Def need Asia service but that’s a thread and discussion on its own of course.


Yeah I'm excited to get my cherry popped on riding the B744 on either BA or LH or even A330 next summer. Asia service would probably be after 2020 will shall see.
 
sldispatcher
Posts: 425
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:55 am

Re: OAG Changes 10/14/2018: HUGE UA Change, Numerous Routes Added and Dropped

Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:15 am

Maybe I'm overstating it, but it looks like this UAL update includes some significant changes in the banks at DEN (esp the what was once 11am westbound push has been moved up to 930. If I didn't know any better, they've just radically improved connecting opportunities at DEN between some of the smaller domestic markets thereby lowering costs of have having to haul passengers on 3 segments? Plus the rearrangement of banks may be starting to make room to squeeze an additional bank in ? I just notice quite a few of the spokes that are to the east of Denver have the early AM departures moved up as a consequence.


I'm assuming that frequency additions will occur down the road as the dust settles. Places like HSV have gone to double daily and will now see upgauges.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: 747d10, 8herveg, AApilot2b, Acey559, ADent, Baidu [Spider], Bing [Bot], Cboyle, Chris8874, eamondzhang, fromheretohere9, Fuling, Google Adsense [Bot], guillermohs, jeffrey0032j, KIRFlyer, Legs, Majestic-12 [Bot], mfamguy79, NearMiss, Opus99, Sceptical, SCFlyer, ThePointblank, TWA767, wezgulf3, YUAND and 196 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos