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Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:43 pm

Ethiopian Airlines will from December start a new route between OSL and Asmara in Eritrea. 2x weekly with 787-8, according to Oslo Airport


This is absolutely a route I did not see coming and is a huge surprise. I assume to new peace agreement between Ethiopia and Eritra makes this possible, but had never guessed OSL with be first out


In addition Et will increase ADD-ARN-OSL from 5x to 6x weekly from December 11th
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:16 pm

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Ethiopian Airlines will from December start a new route between OSL and Asmara in Eritrea. 2x weekly with 787-8, according to Oslo Airport


This is absolutely a route I did not see coming and is a huge surprise. I assume to new peace agreement between Ethiopia and Eritra makes this possible, but had never guessed OSL with be first out


In addition Et will increase ADD-ARN-OSL from 5x to 6x weekly from December 11th

Source?
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:20 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
Source?


Only in Norwegian so far:

Official press release from Oslo Airport

https://www.ntbinfo.no/pressemelding/et ... d=17855179


Apparently the aircraft will be routed ADD-ASM-OSL-ARN
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:25 pm

Someone83 wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Source?


Only in Norwegian so far:

Official press release from Oslo Airport

https://www.ntbinfo.no/pressemelding/et ... d=17855179


Apparently the aircraft will be routed ADD-ASM-OSL-ARN

That would explain why I couldn't find a link!
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:31 pm

They are doing the same to Italy.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:25 pm

are they adding capacity or just adjusting the routes already flown through add with an extra stop i ASM
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:25 pm

A lot of Eritrean in Italy, Scandinavia, and Germany.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:42 am

This is a really odd route.

So Ethiopian Airlines, which has a hub in ADD and is the flag carrier of Ethiopia, is adding a non-stop flight from ASM to Oslo, but their own ADD-OSL is via ARN?

Wouldn't it make more sense to make first ADD-OSL non-stop? If the Eritrean community is so large, they could time this ADD-OSL to better fit ADD-ASM. It is not either like that VFR traffic between ASM and OSL has many other potential connections out there, so ASM-ADD-OSL with a short layover in ADD would likely be the shortest flight time.

I imagine there are political implications behind this flight (e.g. the Eritrean government wanted a non-stop to OSL and other cities with large Eritrean communities, and that is about it).
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:20 am

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This is a really odd route.

So Ethiopian Airlines, which has a hub in ADD and is the flag carrier of Ethiopia, is adding a non-stop flight from ASM to Oslo, but their own ADD-OSL is via ARN?

Wouldn't it make more sense to make first ADD-OSL non-stop? If the Eritrean community is so large, they could time this ADD-OSL to better fit ADD-ASM. It is not either like that VFR traffic between ASM and OSL has many other potential connections out there, so ASM-ADD-OSL with a short layover in ADD would likely be the shortest flight time.

I imagine there are political implications behind this flight (e.g. the Eritrean government wanted a non-stop to OSL and other cities with large Eritrean communities, and that is about it).


Looking at what ET has done with other routes it intends to begin via ASM (namely LHR, FCO, MXP,) it is using the daytime flights out of ADD to stop over at ASM and continue on to these cities. These daytime flights have not much feed from other African destinations like the night time flights do, so are primarily O&D traffic ex-ADD. So in essence, they are augmenting pax on existing service and using existing frequencies/slots that are available to them.

The two stop ADD-ASM-FCO-MXP service is very reminiscent of pre-war era ET operations to Europe such as ADD-ASM-FCO-LHR and sometimes FRA in the mix.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:08 am

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Looking at what ET has done with other routes it intends to begin via ASM (namely LHR, FCO, MXP,) it is using the daytime flights out of ADD to stop over at ASM and continue on to these cities. These daytime flights have not much feed from other African destinations like the night time flights do, so are primarily O&D traffic ex-ADD. So in essence, they are augmenting pax on existing service and using existing frequencies/slots that are available to them.

The two stop ADD-ASM-FCO-MXP service is very reminiscent of pre-war era ET operations to Europe such as ADD-ASM-FCO-LHR and sometimes FRA in the mix.


I understand the point, but 2018 is not 1992. Tag-ons are a thing of the past. Long story short, OSL will have non-stop flights to Asmara, but ADD-OSL will be one-stop (via ASM or via ARN). Really weird for a carrier that is trying to build a one-stop hub system.

Btw according to airlineroute, Ethiopian is starting flights to Somalia! It is interesting that 6 months ago Ethiopian did not fly to either Eritrea or Somalia despite being neighbouring countries.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -nov-2018/

Ethiopian Airlines from November 2018 is resuming service to Somalia, where it scheduled Addis Ababa – Mogadishu route. From 02NOV18, Dash8-Q400 aircraft will serve this route 3 times a week.

ET376 ADD0900 – 1130MGQ DH8 135
ET377 MGQ1210 – 1500ADD DH8 135
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:31 am

I wonder if ET could use their 737Max's on the Europe-ASM flights as surely the 788 and 350 is a bit big for what is really a fairly specialist destination.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:33 am

An exciting route, but I do wonder how many from the diaspora will actually dare to travel back to Eritrea. It is my impression that most of them fled the regime and would have serious concerns about going back.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:02 am

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I wonder if ET could use their 737Max's on the Europe-ASM flights as surely the 788 and 350 is a bit big for what is really a fairly specialist destination.

The A321LR would be ideal but I guess it wouldn't work since ET seems to prefer the 737.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:30 am

Interesting given Ethiopian weren’t allowed to fly to Eritrea until very recently.
Asmara needs more air service, but this route could go either way. The Italian routes make more sense, and can see them working.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:51 pm

TC957 wrote:
I wonder if ET could use their 737Max's on the Europe-ASM flights as surely the 788 and 350 is a bit big for what is really a fairly specialist destination.


At 7,628 feet above sea level, I don't think any B737 is going to carry a decent payload to northern Europe.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:58 pm

Guess ET wants a piece of the refugee repatriation business. There are thousands of Eritreans and Ethiopians who've had their asylum application rejected, or whom the Norwegians ascertain are no longer at threat in their homeland and thus no longer eligble for asylum.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:07 pm

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An exciting route, but I do wonder how many from the diaspora will actually dare to travel back to Eritrea. It is my impression that most of them fled the regime and would have serious concerns about going back.

Many ‘refugees’ even travel back to Somalia. I hope European governments take good notice of who boards these flights so their refugee status can be revoked.

A direct flight Europe-Asmara can also be very usefull to return the many illegal Eritreans living in Europe. Governments pay good money for these seats and are planning to step up their effort in this area.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:34 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Ethiopian Airlines will from December start a new route between OSL and Asmara in Eritrea. 2x weekly with 787-8, according to Oslo Airport


This is absolutely a route I did not see coming and is a huge surprise. I assume to new peace agreement between Ethiopia and Eritra makes this possible, but had never guessed OSL with be first out


In addition Et will increase ADD-ARN-OSL from 5x to 6x weekly from December 11th


Wow...Sweden must have alot of migrants...
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:10 pm

Jetty wrote:
EightyFour wrote:
An exciting route, but I do wonder how many from the diaspora will actually dare to travel back to Eritrea. It is my impression that most of them fled the regime and would have serious concerns about going back.

Many ‘refugees’ even travel back to Somalia. I hope European governments take good notice of who boards these flights so their refugee status can be revoked.

A direct flight Europe-Asmara can also be very usefull to return the many illegal Eritreans living in Europe. Governments pay good money for these seats and are planning to step up their effort in this area.


The Eritreans I've spoken to in Norway are all afraid to go back. While I can't be sure whether that's a representative sample, it's enough for me to question the viability of this flight based on VFR at least.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:15 pm

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The Eritreans I've spoken to in Norway are all afraid to go back. While I can't be sure whether that's a representative sample, it's enough for me to question the viability of this flight based on VFR at least.

That will certainly be the case for some. On the other hand the Eritrean establishment organizes meetings in Europe that are attended by hundreds of Eritreans. People that supposedly had to flee their country because of the authoritarian rule :roll:

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2017/04/e ... perts-say/
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:29 pm

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berari wrote:
Looking at what ET has done with other routes it intends to begin via ASM (namely LHR, FCO, MXP,) it is using the daytime flights out of ADD to stop over at ASM and continue on to these cities. These daytime flights have not much feed from other African destinations like the night time flights do, so are primarily O&D traffic ex-ADD. So in essence, they are augmenting pax on existing service and using existing frequencies/slots that are available to them.

The two stop ADD-ASM-FCO-MXP service is very reminiscent of pre-war era ET operations to Europe such as ADD-ASM-FCO-LHR and sometimes FRA in the mix.


I understand the point, but 2018 is not 1992. Tag-ons are a thing of the past. Long story short, OSL will have non-stop flights to Asmara, but ADD-OSL will be one-stop (via ASM or via ARN). Really weird for a carrier that is trying to build a one-stop hub system.


These new services are very much afterthoughts to Ethiopian's planned winter schedule. While they are a thing of the past, one could admit that the purpose of the flights are to connect ASM, not ADD, especially in the case of the flights to FCO and MXP. For LON, this is the first winter that ET is flying 10x per week, and this generally slower period can have the LHR flight augmented with pax from ASM. I expect that with the delivery of additional aircraft (and slot availability) ET will go back to nonstop flights to these destinations. Worth remembering that ET still serves LHR, FCO nonstop from ADD daily on the night flights.

Some interesting census stats from Wikipedia:
- UK: 17,705 Eritrean-born residents
- Norway: 19,957 persons of Eritrean origin
- Sweden: 35,142 Eritrea-born immigrants

Re: OSL and ARN, ET already has 6x per week ADD-ARN-OSL which is doing well and was upped from 5x per week. The ADD-ASM-OSL is ASM centric, and complements what ADD already has in terms of service. If more frequencies out of ADD come despite multiple hops, I think it's still welcomed news. Perhaps ET is looking to use ASM as a way to get additional frequencies into European destinations?

TC957 wrote:
I wonder if ET could use their 737Max's on the Europe-ASM flights as surely the 788 and 350 is a bit big for what is really a fairly specialist destination.


That's what I am also hoping.

EightyFour wrote:
An exciting route, but I do wonder how many from the diaspora will actually dare to travel back to Eritrea. It is my impression that most of them fled the regime and would have serious concerns about going back.


It's not mainly for the diaspora I think, but Eritrea would be a gem for Europeans to visit at this time.

dredgy wrote:
Interesting given Ethiopian weren’t allowed to fly to Eritrea until very recently.
Asmara needs more air service, but this route could go either way. The Italian routes make more sense, and can see them working.


The link to Italy goes way back and is warranted. I think that LHR is a stretch still. And perhaps so is OSL/ARN. But if ASM is the key for ET to be able to add frequencies into Europe, then it's worth embracing.

Jetty wrote:
EightyFour wrote:
An exciting route, but I do wonder how many from the diaspora will actually dare to travel back to Eritrea. It is my impression that most of them fled the regime and would have serious concerns about going back.

Many ‘refugees’ even travel back to Somalia. I hope European governments take good notice of who boards these flights so their refugee status can be revoked.

A direct flight Europe-Asmara can also be very usefull to return the many illegal Eritreans living in Europe. Governments pay good money for these seats and are planning to step up their effort in this area.


It's a sad way to plan for revenue ...
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:57 pm

They're also improving utilization of their aircrafts.

Aircrafts that arrive in LHR/MXP/OSL on overnight flights from ADD and due to spend all day before returning back to ADD in the evening will now return back to ADD via ASM during the daytime. The new flights routed to LHR/MXP/OSL via ASM during the daytime will now fly nonstop back to ADD overnight.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:50 pm

diesel33 wrote:
They're also improving utilization of their aircrafts.

Aircrafts that arrive in LHR/MXP/OSL on overnight flights from ADD and due to spend all day before returning back to ADD in the evening will now return back to ADD via ASM during the daytime. The new flights routed to LHR/MXP/OSL via ASM during the daytime will now fly nonstop back to ADD overnight.


And this is big. ET has been running a daily overnight flight to LHR and 3x per week day time flight that also increased aircraft utilization with the overnight flights returning to ADD during the day and the daytime ones returning at night. An aircraft that's sitting on the ground is not making money, and ET these at all of its European stations as well as a few in the far East.
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:57 pm

The flight numbers are ET 754 and ET 755. According to their website the routing will be ADD-ASM-OSL-ARN and ARN-OSL-ASM-ADD.

These 2 weekly flights are added to the 6 weekly service ADD-ARN-OSL-ARN-ADD.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:25 pm

[quote="Jetty"][...]Many ‘refugees’ even travel back to Somalia. I hope European governments take good notice of who boards these flights so their refugee status can be revoked.[...]

In most EU contries "asylum seekers" or "refugees" may visit their home countries without any consequences and they frequently do so.

However, that kind of fraudulent behaviour is illegal in Switzerland. Some noise had come up when the public had learned that Eritreans love to back and forth.

Here is a centrist-left liberal source in German:

https://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/f ... y/28736577
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:34 pm

Kilopond wrote:
However, that kind of fraudulent behaviour is illegal in Switzerland. Some noise had come up when the public had learned that Eritreans love to back and forth.

Here is a centrist-left liberal source in German:

https://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard/f ... y/28736577

I don't know about other countries, but in The Netherlands and Belgium this will have your status revoked once authorities find out so you can go on vacation to the country where you were supposedly in danger forever. This already happened to hundreds of them. Many 'refugees' try to evade being caught by travelling via other countries. Maybe ET is targeting Eritreans in Sweden with this flight, because they can't go on vacation to Eritrea with a direct flight from Sweden
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:39 pm

B777LRF wrote:
Guess ET wants a piece of the refugee repatriation business. There are thousands of Eritreans and Ethiopians who've had their asylum application rejected, or whom the Norwegians ascertain are no longer at threat in their homeland and thus no longer eligble for asylum.


Isn't there a maximum number of repatriated people on a commercial flight? From my understanding, deported passengers are usually accompanied by some policemen/women. So let's say having 20 deportees on a commercial flight might be a potential danger. Wouldn't for a large number of deportees be just more sensical to charter ET on an "as-needed" basis?
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:55 pm

Hijacking the thread somewhat, but some additional annoucement on ASM-Europe Link (to LHR and FCO/MXP):

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... dec-2018-/

The LHR flight (ET710/711) was 5/wk non-stop ADD-LHR. They're shifting that flight number to 3/wk ADD-ASM-LHR

Just more side note, they're also resuming services to Mogadishu:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -nov-2018/

So maybe the ADD-MGQ flight will carried all those rejected Somali asylum seekers, in addition to those ET flights to ASM carrying rejected Eritrean asylum seekers? :duck:
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:00 am

I think this is the first step (or next step) of ET to becoming a pan-African airline. They had a fairly spectacular development over the last years and now they expand their territory over the Ethiopian borders. I'm not sure yet how successful this can be with ASM but time will tell.
Quite some interesting routings for future trip reports :mrgreen:
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:53 am

Not sure how ASM will handle the 77L or 359. Also, these 2 stop routings seems quite antiquated; very reminiscent of flying in the 80s and prior. Overall, this seems like something that was done out of diplomatic kindness and not business sense (using precious LHR slots for this a clear telling sign)

If i'm not mistaken, ET has purchased a stake in Eritrean Airlines. So until Eritrean Airlines develops a structure and purchases decent wide-body aircraft, I guess this will do...
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:56 am

berari wrote:
diesel33 wrote:
They're also improving utilization of their aircrafts.

Aircrafts that arrive in LHR/MXP/OSL on overnight flights from ADD and due to spend all day before returning back to ADD in the evening will now return back to ADD via ASM during the daytime. The new flights routed to LHR/MXP/OSL via ASM during the daytime will now fly nonstop back to ADD overnight.


An aircraft that's sitting on the ground is not making money.


An aircraft not flying can lose less money than one that is if the unit cost-unit revenue-LF balance isn't good.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:21 am

Schedule for ADD-ASM-OSL-ARN:

ET754 ADD1000 – 1120ASM1210 1730OSL1845 – 1950ARN 787 36
ET755 ARN0640 – 0745OSL0840 – 1800ASM1845 – 2010ADD 787 36
 
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines to start Oslo-Asmara

Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:34 am

iadadd wrote:
Not sure how ASM will handle the 77L or 359. Also, these 2 stop routings seems quite antiquated; very reminiscent of flying in the 80s and prior. Overall, this seems like something that was done out of diplomatic kindness and not business sense (using precious LHR slots for this a clear telling sign)

If i'm not mistaken, ET has purchased a stake in Eritrean Airlines. So until Eritrean Airlines develops a structure and purchases decent wide-body aircraft, I guess this will do...


The milk run model is common round bits of Africa that couldn't otherwise support flights, though other parts of the world now it is less common.

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