Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
klwright69
Topic Author
Posts: 2709
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2000 4:22 am

UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:02 pm

The seasonal routes have ended (ATH, KEF, OPO) yet DEN-LHR is continuing for the time being. Did they decide to make it year round?

Speaking of dropping HAM, UA still maintains seasonal 757 service to places like OPO, KEF, and ARN.
 
LHUSA
Posts: 824
Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:15 am

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:06 pm

UA is restricted by seasonal slot availability at LHR. To go year-round, they would have to reduce another US to LHR market. UA gave several hints at this route being very successful, so it may go year-round one day...
 
codc10
Posts: 2834
Joined: Sat Jul 08, 2000 7:18 am

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:12 pm

IATA winter starts 28OCT; so the last eastbound DEN-LHR is 26OCT with final seasonal return on 27OCT.

The fact that UA operated the flight daily throughout the entire S18 season bodes well, but UA would still have to acquire a 17th LHR winter slot pair or reallocate service from an existing frequency to bring DEN year-round service.
 
klwright69
Topic Author
Posts: 2709
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2000 4:22 am

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:24 pm

Well, I believe the DEN slot came from EWR. There are five flights to LHR instead 6 like they've had before.
 
gwrudolph
Posts: 425
Joined: Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:46 pm

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:30 pm

klwright69 wrote:
Well, I believe the DEN slot came from EWR. There are five flights to LHR instead 6 like they've had before.


My guess is they really don’t need the sixth EWR flight in the winter anyway. I will bet they just use it to sit on the slot for slow season as inexpensively as possible and a quick smaller EWR trip does just that for them.

If they thought DEN could be successful in the winter, I’d guess they wouldn’t have any issues running 5 EWR flights in slow season. Besides, if the EWR demand was there, they could always upguage a flight or two

So, I think the unstated is that they don’t think there is enough demand to warrant yearround DEN service at least for the moment. Maybe someday!
 
LHUSA
Posts: 824
Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:15 am

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:46 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
klwright69 wrote:
Well, I believe the DEN slot came from EWR. There are five flights to LHR instead 6 like they've had before.


My guess is they really don’t need the sixth EWR flight in the winter anyway. I will bet they just use it to sit on the slot for slow season as inexpensively as possible and a quick smaller EWR trip does just that for them.

If they thought DEN could be successful in the winter, I’d guess they wouldn’t have any issues running 5 EWR flights in slow season. Besides, if the EWR demand was there, they could always upguage a flight or two

So, I think the unstated is that they don’t think there is enough demand to warrant yearround DEN service at least for the moment. Maybe someday!


From what I understand, the 6th summer EWR flight is a summer seasonal slot only. So, not available for use in the winter.
 
codc10
Posts: 2834
Joined: Sat Jul 08, 2000 7:18 am

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:09 pm

LHUSA wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
klwright69 wrote:
Well, I believe the DEN slot came from EWR. There are five flights to LHR instead 6 like they've had before.


My guess is they really don’t need the sixth EWR flight in the winter anyway. I will bet they just use it to sit on the slot for slow season as inexpensively as possible and a quick smaller EWR trip does just that for them.

If they thought DEN could be successful in the winter, I’d guess they wouldn’t have any issues running 5 EWR flights in slow season. Besides, if the EWR demand was there, they could always upguage a flight or two

So, I think the unstated is that they don’t think there is enough demand to warrant yearround DEN service at least for the moment. Maybe someday!


From what I understand, the 6th summer EWR flight is a summer seasonal slot only. So, not available for use in the winter.


That's correct. There is no "extra" winter slot. UA has 17 summer pairs and 16 winter. EWR(5)/IAD(3)/ORD(3)/IAH(2)/SFO(2)/LAX(1) keep the same level of service year-round and DEN gets the 17th summer pair. That slot went to EWR in past summers as #6.
 
Cointrin330
Posts: 1902
Joined: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:23 pm

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:49 pm

klwright69 wrote:
The seasonal routes have ended (ATH, KEF, OPO) yet DEN-LHR is continuing for the time being. Did they decide to make it year round?

Speaking of dropping HAM, UA still maintains seasonal 757 service to places like OPO, KEF, and ARN.


OPO and KEF were new seasonal adds, launched for the first time from EWR for Summer 2018 and they are coming back in '19. ARN has been around for a while, and is an ex-CO route that ended up going seasonal. HAM was a 757, then went to a 767-300ER. There are other 757 services UA flies TATL from EWR and IAD including (EWR: EDI, GLA (seasonal), MAN, LIS (a 767-300 in summer), one or two LHR frequencies. Believe UA also uses the 757 on one IAD-LHR flight.
 
drdisque
Posts: 1270
Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:57 am

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:41 pm

The slot situation is actually great for UA. Before the merger they had the same number of slots year round and had to squat on the slot in the winter, even one year flying LHR-BRU-LHR to do so. It's ultimately why DEN-LHR was initially suspended since the money the slot lost in off season didn't offset the profit it made during the summer.
 
User avatar
TWA772LR
Posts: 7239
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:12 am

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:50 pm

Any word on UAs effect on BA on this route? Just curious.
When wasn't America great?


The thoughts and opinions shared under this username are mine and are not influenced by my employer.
 
laxmia
Posts: 22
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:04 pm

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:43 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Any word on UAs effect on BA on this route? Just curious.


There doesn't seem to be a material impact to BA based on passenger numbers. As of Aug 2018, BA was essentially flat YoY (+0.1%) for passengers in DEN, carrying a total of 133,772 so far this year. But, as we all know, passenger numbers are only half the story... with the other half being yields.

Source: https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default ... Denver.pdf
 
User avatar
intotheair
Posts: 1881
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:49 pm

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:10 pm

laxmia wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Any word on UAs effect on BA on this route? Just curious.


There doesn't seem to be a material impact to BA based on passenger numbers. As of Aug 2018, BA was essentially flat YoY (+0.1%) for passengers in DEN, carrying a total of 133,772 so far this year. But, as we all know, passenger numbers are only half the story... with the other half being yields.

Source: https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default ... Denver.pdf


I would imagine that BA would have many of the business contracts for those who regularly need to fly DEN-LHR. BA has been flying DEN-LHR/LGW every day, every season for the last 20 years.
300 319 320 321 332 333 345 346 380 717 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 77W 788 789 CR2 CR7 CR9 CRK Q400 E175 DC10 MD82 MD90
AA AF AS AY AZ B6 BA BR DL F9 FI GA HA KF LH MI QX SK SN SQ UA US VY WN
 
Tenaja85
Posts: 69
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:42 pm

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:31 pm

intotheair wrote:
laxmia wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Any word on UAs effect on BA on this route? Just curious.


There doesn't seem to be a material impact to BA based on passenger numbers. As of Aug 2018, BA was essentially flat YoY (+0.1%) for passengers in DEN, carrying a total of 133,772 so far this year. But, as we all know, passenger numbers are only half the story... with the other half being yields.

Source: https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default ... Denver.pdf


I would imagine that BA would have many of the business contracts for those who regularly need to fly DEN-LHR. BA has been flying DEN-LHR/LGW every day, every season for the last 20 years.


I do know many local companies use BA exclusively for London and beyond because it's been a stable and reliable service in the market for decades.

Passenger numbers are flat but that is to be expected as there has been virtually no variation in schedule or aircraft, YOY.
 
gwrudolph
Posts: 425
Joined: Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:46 pm

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:51 pm

codc10 wrote:
LHUSA wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:

My guess is they really don’t need the sixth EWR flight in the winter anyway. I will bet they just use it to sit on the slot for slow season as inexpensively as possible and a quick smaller EWR trip does just that for them.

If they thought DEN could be successful in the winter, I’d guess they wouldn’t have any issues running 5 EWR flights in slow season. Besides, if the EWR demand was there, they could always upguage a flight or two

So, I think the unstated is that they don’t think there is enough demand to warrant yearround DEN service at least for the moment. Maybe someday!


From what I understand, the 6th summer EWR flight is a summer seasonal slot only. So, not available for use in the winter.


That's correct. There is no "extra" winter slot. UA has 17 summer pairs and 16 winter. EWR(5)/IAD(3)/ORD(3)/IAH(2)/SFO(2)/LAX(1) keep the same level of service year-round and DEN gets the 17th summer pair. That slot went to EWR in past summers as #6.


Ah, I didn’t know that. I mistakenly though there were 17 year-round and they were just using the 17th during peak season for DEN vs EWR. Thanks for clarifying
 
klwright69
Topic Author
Posts: 2709
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2000 4:22 am

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:29 am

Well, is DEN-LHR on UA renewed for next year?
 
User avatar
intotheair
Posts: 1881
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:49 pm

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:12 pm

klwright69 wrote:
Well, is DEN-LHR on UA renewed for next year?


Yes. Same thing as last year: daily 788, March-October.
300 319 320 321 332 333 345 346 380 717 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 77W 788 789 CR2 CR7 CR9 CRK Q400 E175 DC10 MD82 MD90
AA AF AS AY AZ B6 BA BR DL F9 FI GA HA KF LH MI QX SK SN SQ UA US VY WN
 
777PHX
Posts: 962
Joined: Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:36 am

Re: UA's DEN-LHR seasonal service

Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:28 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Any word on UAs effect on BA on this route? Just curious.


UA's decision to have this route go seasonally was the right one. You can buy a ticket DEN-LHR on BA right now during the winter months for a song. I just bought a RT ticket for dates in Feb for $485 on that route. They have to be losing money on that.

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos