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Aeromexico axes MEX-BOS/PDX/IAD + MTY-LAS + GDL-SJC

Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:29 pm

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... to-452791/

Aeromexico will suspend service on nine routes in 2019, five of which are US transborder city pairs. The airline will end flights from Mexico City to Boston, Portland (Oregon) and Washington Dulles. It will also suspend service from Monterrey to Las Vegas, and from Guadalajara to San Jose (California). Within Mexico, the airline will suspend service from Monterrey to Tijuana, Merida and Veracruz. It will also end flights from Guadalajara to Cancun.

It is not immediately clear when in 2019 Aeromexico will exit those routes, and its spokespeople did not immediately respond to questions.

The airline's departure from the three US-bound routes from Mexico City will leave JetBlue Airways as the only carrier flying between Mexico City and Boston after it begins service later this month, FlightGlobal schedules data show. United Airlines will become the sole carrier offering nonstop service between Mexico City and Washington Dulles, while Portland will lose its only nonstop link to Mexico City.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:53 pm

First quarterly net-loss in something like 8 years? Blood bath with too much competition on the domestic market and transborder market! Aircraft being removed from service are actually 2 737-700s and not -800s as article states. Early phase out of 2 737-700s that were already planned to leave fleet.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:01 pm

It wouldn't surprise me if VL starts BOS, I think they already have the route authority to do so. And I could see them adding frequencies to PDX.
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:08 pm

Unfortunately not surprised about PDX-MEX. Someone recently posted that the load factors were poor.

SJC-GDL was a bit over-saturated with three carriers on the route. Doesn't AM fly SJC-MEX also, or are they exiting SJC completely?
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:22 pm

Yet more cuts at MEX, though I understand it makes a lot less sense for AM to overfly DL hubs today than before the JV was in place. Will be interesting to see if Y4 sees any opportunities here.
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Re: Aeromexico axes MEX-BOS/PDX/IAD + MTY-LAS + GDL-SJC

Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:25 pm

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It wouldn't surprise me if VL starts BOS, I think they already have the route authority to do so. And I could see them adding frequencies to PDX.


Its open skies now but right slots are hard to come by at MEX.

Do you mean Y4/Volaris?

I would rather see B6 get close with 4O and feed them at MEX.

GDL/SJD/PVR-BOS would be cool to see on Y4 though it won't print money. They could do a mix of frequencies such as 2 weekly GDL and 2 weekly for one of the resort towns.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:28 pm

Well, they just took a loss in Q3 which should have been a strong one. Likely time to look at how the business is running, and prune the marginal flying.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:39 pm

Very sad to hear this. Although I knew that the PDX-MEX route was not performing well at all.

Per google flights, the last date for the MEX-BOS/PDX/IAD flights is January 6, 2019.
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:48 pm

GDL-SJC also shows 1/6/19 as the last date per the Aeromexico website.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:56 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
SJC-GDL was a bit over-saturated with three carriers on the route. Doesn't AM fly SJC-MEX also, or are they exiting SJC completely?


MEX will still be around. They will operate during Christmas and summer seasons.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:11 pm

A slot restricted MEX must be relieved a little by some of these cuts. The growing partnership with DL will assist in a better overall redevelopment of the network to maximize yield.

Competing against B6 at BOS is/was admirable - but there's a lack of accounting columns dedicated to this metric. Each carrier, though, capitalizes on their home end of the transaction. I can see B6, at BOS extracting more value out of the route at the moment, compared to AM and the MEX side.

That said, I do hope to see new aircraft, and perhaps greater partner participation makes these routes work in future. Getting slots at the MEX side would be a bit more difficult, but DL's strategy (offering more non-hub flying that AA and UA, having a sizable presence at BOS, and PDX, and having the C-Series if the route proves anemic in the beginning, even at a less than daily presence) seems a plausible winner in some of these cases, if DL were to want to enter.

I can't wait to see how these slots are redeployed, and/or what AM priorities to. Time will tell, I guess.

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Re: Aeromexico axes MEX-BOS/PDX/IAD + MTY-LAS + GDL-SJC

Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:11 pm

Sounds to me like the old AM that we all used to know and, ummm, not love.

I thought perhaps they had given up their habit of starting new routes, then cutting them rather quickly.

Perhaps this is fuel-cost related but I doubt it. Perhaps it's due to the apparent downturn in some tourist travel to Mexico these days. But I doubt it...

It's not like we in the U.S. don't today have cx that do the same thing (cough, cough ** Allegiant and Frontier to name two) but AM has been like this for as long as I can remember.

Having dealt locally with AM, and later, Y4, I'm just as happy that SAN doesn't have to put up with their scheduling nonsense any more. We are in the enviable position of having TIJ just ~20 miles away with a simple border crossing, and anyone north of the border who wants to fly any of the Mexican cx within that country can easily do so.

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Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:23 pm

I would think things will improve once the new airport opens at MEX.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:26 pm

Ouch, TIJ-MTY and GDL-CUN being cut? Sounds like they can't make a penny outside of MEX. Y4 and Viva Aerobus going to jump all over this. All I can say is good luck to AM, hope that MEX-BCN route they fought against for Emirates is going to be a cash cow for them :D .... if they start it :duck:
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:29 pm

Man, glad I didn't jump the gun and bought those tickets on IAD to NRT via MEX on on Aeromexico last night. It came up as an alert on my email as a super saver airfare for April 1st departure. I decided I didn't want to transit through MEX so I passed on it despite the sub-$1000 r/t.
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Re: Aeromexico axes MEX-BOS/PDX/IAD + MTY-LAS + GDL-SJC

Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:29 pm

Could the possibility of MSP-MEX open up with those cuts and slots opening up? Since it was hinted out http://m.startribune.com/delta-plans-no ... 485382501/ towards the end of the article.
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Re: Aeromexico axes MEX-BOS/PDX/IAD + MTY-LAS + GDL-SJC

Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:36 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Unfortunately not surprised about PDX-MEX. Someone recently posted that the load factors were poor.

SJC-GDL was a bit over-saturated with three carriers on the route. Doesn't AM fly SJC-MEX also, or are they exiting SJC completely?


AM SJC-MEX was seasonal. Operated just this past summer for a few months.
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Re: Aeromexico axes MEX-BOS/PDX/IAD + MTY-LAS + GDL-SJC

Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:46 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Well, they just took a loss in Q3 which should have been a strong one. Likely time to look at how the business is running, and prune the marginal flying.


Has anybody done the math to figure how many frame-equivalents they won't be flying with these cuts? Parked planes don't make money. If they weren't even covering variable costs with these routes...
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:53 pm

Bad week for IAD
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:00 pm

Antoli0794 wrote:
Could the possibility of MSP-MEX open up with those cuts and slots opening up? Since it was hinted out http://m.startribune.com/delta-plans-no ... 485382501/ towards the end of the article.

Well the new airport is still a number of years to go before it opens. But I’m sure that’s the plan.
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:22 pm

Was not thinking of the New Mexico City airport. Could probably be they are waiting for that to open up then.
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:33 pm

Wow... SJC international routes are dropping like flies at this point
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:36 pm

B6 also reduced MCO/FLL-MEX.... whats going on at MEX too much competition?
 
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Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:42 pm

While I am sure there is O&D on the route between 2 capitals, UA's MEX-IAD service has long been supplemented by offering connections to and from Europe.

I would imagine most/a fair amount of the O&D on the route would prefer to fly in/out of DCA and connect in ATL/IAH/DFW. Just not enough traffic for 2 carriers on the IAD-MEX route.
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:05 am

IAD-MEX surprises me (and to some extent BOS-MEX), but the others don't. Plenty of competition in SJC-GDL and LAS-MTY, and PDX-MEX seemed a bit out of left field to me when it was announced.
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:06 am

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jfklganyc wrote:
Bad week for IAD


Yes and no. They lost 2 tails and a few flights for a dozen plus new flights and a stronger hub carrier.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:27 am

jfklganyc wrote:
Bad week for IAD


PVD757 wrote:
Yes and no. They lost 2 tails and a few flights for a dozen plus new flights and a stronger hub carrier.


What is the other tail IAD lost?

There’s also another thread stating CX has already downgauged IAD to the A359 and it just started.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:32 am

JetBlue is pulling out of IAD in January
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:58 am

BOS-MEX on AM is a crap red-eye that arrives at 4 AM in MEX. Thanks, but no thanks. No wonder it’s cut.
I think B6 will do better with their daytime flights.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:17 am

Was AM out of slots at MEX that they scheduled a 4 am arrival? Or was BOS so short in gate space at international area that was only time that's available? Seems like a terrible scheduled flight. I'm sure they saw the advanced bookings and it wasn't doing great against B6 entrance.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:27 am

Dieuwer wrote:
BOS-MEX on AM is a crap red-eye that arrives at 4 AM in MEX. Thanks, but no thanks. No wonder it’s cut.
I think B6 will do better with their daytime flights.


That's a huge problem...the MEX-BOS flight can only really target VFR traffic in BOS which isn't much. By contrast, AM operates 4x daily to JFK, with better arrival times into JFK as a red-eye, noontime, afternoon, and midnight arrival into JFK, offering over 5,000 weekly seats on that pair (23x weekly B738 and 5x weekly B789). It would make more sense to route these customers from BOS via JFK.

IAD and PDX didn't really seem to make much sense either. At least MEX-SEA works to arrive in MEX for good connections there.

As for Y4, I have to wonder if they would try BOS with that slot, as it doesn't make sense with that arrival back into MEX. Y4 would have been terrible on JFK-MEX if it didn't get a slot that DL/AM had to divest for its JV.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:37 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Bad week for IAD


PVD757 wrote:
Yes and no. They lost 2 tails and a few flights for a dozen plus new flights and a stronger hub carrier.


What is the other tail IAD lost?

There’s also another thread stating CX has already downgauged IAD to the A359 and it just started.


JetBlue is closing IAD.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:36 am

lavalampluva wrote:
I would think things will improve once the new airport opens at MEX.

When is that supposed to be?
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:12 am

LAX772LR wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
I would think things will improve once the new airport opens at MEX.

When is that supposed to be?

October 2020
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Re: Aeromexico axes MEX-BOS/PDX/IAD + MTY-LAS + GDL-SJC

Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:24 am

At the very least the new MEX won't open before Q3 2022.

And in view of the current political SNAFU in Mexico maybe even 2030 as the president-elect wants to scrap the project to start again in a even worse location (Santa Lucia AFB), all that just so that his favorite contractor - José Riobóo - gets the main airport contracts after he lost the tenders for the project already underway. The cost of scrapping the current project will be around $6 Billion dollars, but I guess rewarding cronies is priceless.

And yes, Santa Lucia AFB (NLU) is a worse location as it has the same soil problems as the current airport under construction (as both sites are on the same dried lake-bed), but it has none of its airspace advantages.

The airport under construction is designed for relatively simple triple independent approaches, but the president-elect's team is proposing keeping the old MEX airport active and building new runways in NLU, resulting in this mess of airspace:

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Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:43 am

Could the recent Aeromexico connect crash have impacted this Q3 result? I mean, first of all, one frame less to cover, also the cost of a crash must be huge and finally, I wonder if less passengers have flown the airline after the crash.

Really don’t know the answers, but the two things could be related, don’t you think?
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:06 pm

AM internally announced they will withdraw 3 E170s and 2 B737-700s this winter. This on top of 5 other 737 were returned this summer.(offset by 4 737MAX arrivals).

Gregd75 wrote:
Really don’t know the answers, but the two things could be related, don’t you think?


No. AM Traffic and revenues are up. Its largely a cost issue as peso weakens vs USD, the rise in fuel cost(paid in USD), and ongoing yield weakness in the overall Mexican market (lots of competition).
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:12 pm

Dragonlionting wrote:
Wow... SJC international routes are dropping like flies at this point


Would be interesting to see SJC’s peak int’l seats compared with before the int’l expansion and again next winter/spring.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:32 pm

Feels like Daddy Delta is "helping" AM optimize their traffic.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:00 pm

LAXintl wrote:
AM internally announced they will withdraw 3 E170s and 2 B737-700s this winter. This on top of 5 other 737 were returned this summer.(offset by 4 737MAX arrivals)..


Some of those previously returned 5 737-800s are going to Sun Country and were being refitted at RFD.
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:35 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Feels like Daddy Delta is "helping" AM optimize their traffic.

:checkmark: Yes, exactly this.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:44 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Feels like Daddy Delta is "helping" AM optimize their traffic.


You will feed ATL for BOS and IAD muy pronto.

The flight to Boston basically flys over ATL and ATL is damn near exactly half way. Same for IAD, right over ATL.
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:10 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Feels like Daddy Delta is "helping" AM optimize their traffic.


You will feed ATL for BOS and IAD muy pronto.

The flight to Boston basically flys over ATL and ATL is damn near exactly half way. Same for IAD, right over ATL.


The entire East Coast basically flies over ATL on its way to MEX...
 
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:37 pm

Sensible network planning and financial necessity. Remember for non US carriers the oil spike combined with dollar strength is painful . Small european carriers are starting to fold. WW may be taking hard decisions similarly (not all confirmed yet)
 
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Re: Aeromexico axes MEX-BOS/PDX/IAD + MTY-LAS + GDL-SJC

Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:12 am

We all know why the Mexico flights are suffering. And I don’t appreciate my posts being deleted.
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:07 am

jbpdx wrote:
We all know why the Mexico flights are suffering. And I don’t appreciate my posts being deleted.


The bad MEX "connection experience"?
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:36 pm

So AM is withdrawing some Embraer's...Poor reliability, perhaps?
 
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Re: Aeromexico axes MEX-BOS/PDX/IAD + MTY-LAS + GDL-SJC

Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:33 pm

Long time reader (10+ years), first time poster. Could the recent fleet withdrawals/route cuts affect their LAX schedule? I was booked on an LAX-GDL red-eye in mid January, but was was rebooked onto an earlier flight. Any idea if AM is cutting frequencies as well?

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