Well it looks like the airline and one of its employee's has some explaining to do after an off duty FA, in uniform, engaged in lavatory sex with a gay porno star and the "results' were posted online.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -star.html

Delta is starting to regain my respect. Maybe there could be an “ancillary fee” for such service.

Zones 1 and 2 are pretty self explanatory, it's Zones 3 through 7 that make you wonder....

I don't see the relevance of the fact that the participants were both men. This would've been equally unprofessional if it happened between a man and a woman, or between two women.

Nor do I think the identity or vocation of the passenger is particularly relevant.

The flight attendant WAS off duty, however he was in uniform and he was on a Delta flight. He was essentially representing his employer. His conduct impacts on the Delta brand and thus is not solely personal conduct. In addition, they occupied a lavatory that could've been used by other passengers and thus probably inconvenienced others.

Yes, Delta as an airline is very supportive of sexual minority causes. But the acceptability (or not) of this conduct has nothing to do with the gender/s of the participants involved.

Straight passengers who join the Mile High Club and get caught suffer consequences. The same applies when one of the participants is an employee. I don't see why this situation SHOULDN'T be treated any differently. Indeed, this particular situation is worse because the smutty clips went viral and the FA was in uniform. This damages a Delta asset, even if it was an accident.

What are you referring to as in ZONES?

Anyway at least the FA wasn't charged by Mr Wolff for his services who I personally don't find very attractive.

But nonetheless I feel totally gutted for him considering the flack he's going through and especially as it wasn't him who posted the video online.

But I fully appreciate and understand Deltas view on this and the appropriate actions are being dealt with, at the end of the day regardless of the fact that he was off duty he was still in company uniform in and in his working environment, someone would have seen him go into the lavatory with another man and remain there for that length of time, I know that I would.

But once this is all done and dusted and he can move on at least he can say he has actually joined the ''mile high club'' without anyone doubting him

And I'm pleased to admit that I am also a member of that elite club having joined in 1985 on a British Airways B741 flight from LHR to BOM and I was only 19yo at the time but a very confident and good looking 19yo

I know of at least four DL F/A that are retired adult actors. Having relations in a bathroom at your workplace is just trashy however, even if you are off duty.

StudiodeKadent wrote:

I don't see the relevance of the fact that the participants were both men. This would've been equally unprofessional if it happened between a man and a woman, or between two women.

Nor do I think the identity or vocation of the passenger is particularly relevant.

The flight attendant WAS off duty, however he was in uniform and he was on a Delta flight. He was essentially representing his employer. His conduct impacts on the Delta brand and thus is not solely personal conduct. In addition, they occupied a lavatory that could've been used by other passengers and thus probably inconvenienced others.

Yes, Delta as an airline is very supportive of sexual minority causes. But the acceptability (or not) of this conduct has nothing to do with the gender/s of the participants involved.

Straight passengers who join the Mile High Club and get caught suffer consequences. The same applies when one of the participants is an employee. I don't see why this situation SHOULDN'T be treated any differently. Indeed, this particular situation is worse because the smutty clips went viral and the FA was in uniform. This damages a Delta asset, even if it was an accident.

I feel very strongly what a person does in their own time is their business and should not be fireable; outside of felony level acts. Certainly political speech and personal sexual behavior should be protected as long as all participants are consenting.

BUT once you involve the company brand in the activity by wearing a uniform or being on company property I feel exactly the opposite. The company should be able to sue for damages to their brand if they can prove any. Firing is automatic.

That’s the clearest the line I would draw.

StudiodeKadent wrote:

I don't see the relevance of the fact that the participants were both men. This would've been equally unprofessional if it happened between a man and a woman, or between two women.

Nor do I think the identity or vocation of the passenger is particularly relevant.

The flight attendant WAS off duty, however he was in uniform and he was on a Delta flight. He was essentially representing his employer. His conduct impacts on the Delta brand and thus is not solely personal conduct. In addition, they occupied a lavatory that could've been used by other passengers and thus probably inconvenienced others.

Yes, Delta as an airline is very supportive of sexual minority causes. But the acceptability (or not) of this conduct has nothing to do with the gender/s of the participants involved.

Straight passengers who join the Mile High Club and get caught suffer consequences. The same applies when one of the participants is an employee. I don't see why this situation SHOULDN'T be treated any differently. Indeed, this particular situation is worse because the smutty clips went viral and the FA was in uniform. This damages a Delta asset, even if it was an accident.

This is an excellent post. Absolutely excellent.

The gender of participants involved does not matter. The off duty part doesnt either as one was in uniform.

StudiodeKadent wrote:

I don't see the relevance of the fact that the participants were both men. This would've been equally unprofessional if it happened between a man and a woman, or between two women.

Nor do I think the identity or vocation of the passenger is particularly relevant.

The flight attendant WAS off duty, however he was in uniform and he was on a Delta flight. He was essentially representing his employer. His conduct impacts on the Delta brand and thus is not solely personal conduct. In addition, they occupied a lavatory that could've been used by other passengers and thus probably inconvenienced others.

Yes, Delta as an airline is very supportive of sexual minority causes. But the acceptability (or not) of this conduct has nothing to do with the gender/s of the participants involved.

Straight passengers who join the Mile High Club and get caught suffer consequences. The same applies when one of the participants is an employee. I don't see why this situation SHOULDN'T be treated any differently. Indeed, this particular situation is worse because the smutty clips went viral and the FA was in uniform. This damages a Delta asset, even if it was an accident.

Exactly. "Gay porno" isn't relevant at all. Who cares. "Delta employee in inappropriate adult video clip" would have been appropriate. Employee was fired, should have been fired. I know several females, should have been fired, were fired. This isn't a gay thing. Do something stupid at work, get fired.

Unfortunately, search 727's post history and it's easy to tell (not from a gay standpoint), he likes to stir the pot.

Where's the video? We have a right to draw our own, um, conclusions from it.

intotheair wrote:

Where's the video? We have a right to draw our own, um, conclusions from it.

You bring up a good point.

floridaflyboy wrote:

StudiodeKadent wrote:

I don't see the relevance of the fact that the participants were both men. This would've been equally unprofessional if it happened between a man and a woman, or between two women.

Nor do I think the identity or vocation of the passenger is particularly relevant.

The flight attendant WAS off duty, however he was in uniform and he was on a Delta flight. He was essentially representing his employer. His conduct impacts on the Delta brand and thus is not solely personal conduct. In addition, they occupied a lavatory that could've been used by other passengers and thus probably inconvenienced others.

Yes, Delta as an airline is very supportive of sexual minority causes. But the acceptability (or not) of this conduct has nothing to do with the gender/s of the participants involved.

Straight passengers who join the Mile High Club and get caught suffer consequences. The same applies when one of the participants is an employee. I don't see why this situation SHOULDN'T be treated any differently. Indeed, this particular situation is worse because the smutty clips went viral and the FA was in uniform. This damages a Delta asset, even if it was an accident.

Exactly. "Gay porno" isn't relevant at all. Who cares. "Delta employee in inappropriate adult video clip" would have been appropriate. Employee was fired, should have been fired. I know several females, should have been fired, were fired. This isn't a gay thing. Do something stupid at work, get fired.

Unfortunately, search 727's post history and it's easy to tell (not from a gay standpoint), he likes to stir the pot.

can't do any trolling if you do a sensible title like this.

Years ago Delta fired a flight attendant for taking seductive photos on the 767. But she was fully clothed. But that was a different company. Delta used to be a traditional airline. Since the merger with NWA they moved to an ultra-modern anything goes type of philosophy. It has gone to the heads of many of their employees.

TTailedTiger wrote:

Years ago Delta fired a flight attendant for taking seductive photos on the 767. But she was fully clothed. But that was a different company. Delta used to be a traditional airline. Since the merger with NWA they moved to an ultra-modern anything goes type of philosophy. It has gone to the heads of many of their employees.

Ultra modern is not anything goes. This is a terrible slippery slope analogy attempt.

My company offers flexibility to work remote etc. Totally different than anything goes. We have standards, we have expectations.. we just dont police dumb stuff, but again, that comes with the expectation that people can behave like adults, or else they can go elsewhere.

Oooooooooooooo I love it.

Northwest Airlines was ultra-modern and corrupted poor innocent Delta.

Let's see the flick.

Delta will probably give him an award

Yeah links please

Austin Wolff is so generic looking. I’m sure he exudes a sexy energy and all, but he definitely wouldn’t be my first choice, especially not it I had to risk a felony for it.

And this kids, is why you shouldn't wear your airline badge and lanyard while non-reving. Had this young bottom kept his ID in his bag (there's really NO reason to have that thing dangling from your neck -- the gate agents know you are staff, the flight attendants know you are staff..), this would have just been filed under #anotherhotMileHighClub experience. Instead, it cost him his job and shutting down the Twitter servers from everyone looking for the video.

And it seems that Mr. Austin wasn't accepting deposits in this video.

Not that I'd know, but (fill in blank) "Most magical place on earth" _____guy39 on one of the social media apps may or may not have part of the video available.

pornmd

that's all i'm saying.

Why would the porn guy share it without the other guys permission? What a world class jerk.

stlgph wrote:

pornmd

that's all i'm saying.

Have to say, for such a sought after video, I can't find it anywhere. XD

PlanesNTrains wrote:

Why would the porn guy share it without the other guys permission? What a world class jerk.

Because he has an OnlyFans and wanted to make money off the video. The FA in question was hired in March.

Where is a330323x when we need his wit the most

Another reason I doubt the employee will be disciplined is because Delta doesn't want to ruffle any feathers in the wake of a union campaign.

TTailedTiger wrote:

Years ago Delta fired a flight attendant for taking seductive photos on the 767. But she was fully clothed. But that was a different company. Delta used to be a traditional airline. Since the merger with NWA they moved to an ultra-modern anything goes type of philosophy. It has gone to the heads of many of their employees.

What?

I'd love some example to back this point up. Yeah management is speaking out at times over some social issue (stupidly at times) but I have yet to hear of someone making a porn video, in uniform, that kept their jobs be it pre or post merger. (really at any US airline)

TTailedTiger wrote:

Another reason I doubt the employee will be disciplined is because Delta doesn't want to ruffle any feathers in the wake of a union campaign.

because a union would have saved his job? more importantly because the FAs are going to vote in a union so they can make porn videos in uniform?

you can't be serious (and no, no union in the US airline industry is saving anyones job on this one)

jetero wrote:

Oooooooooooooo I love it.

Northwest Airlines was ultra-modern and corrupted poor innocent Delta.

The NWA I worked wasn't ultra-modern. It was a dinosaur that made money.

usxguy wrote:

Had this young bottom kept his ID in his bag...

Where was this established? Have you seen the video??

A good video description would be "Delta flight attendant sticks the landing".

I wouldn't want someone working for me that had such a lack of self-control they would choose to have sex in an airplane bathroom. I have no problem like here the person with DL ID and uniform facing being fired, the other party needs to be put on a no-fly list for a few months too for their bad judgment. Just arrange to meet with each other at a local motel after the flight.

What kind of chaps my ass (no pun intended) is that I've put some effort in to getting hired as an F/A and have thusfar been unsuccessful. Then you have this guy who hasn't even been at the job long enough to be jaded about it throwing it away for what would otherwise be an unmemorable hook-up if it weren't for the fact that it was with an overrated porn actor. I suppose my next cover letter to Delta will be "Dear Delta, I promise to execute the job to the fullest of my abilities and I won't bang the customers while at work."

Part of me wants to feel badly for him, especially in light of the fact that he's stated he had no idea the video was going to be uploaded. If that's true, it makes the other guy not only mediocre at his 'acting' job but also a pretty gross human. On the other hand, he's a porn star. The F/A should know that many of these guys are megalomaniacs who feed off the validation and attention from fans. If it was being recorded, he should have known there would be a reasonable chance it would find its way to the internet

Once again, to the hiring managers at Delta, I recently heard about an impending vacancy at your esteemed organization. My qualifications are that I believe the best customer service takes place with clothing on and I WON'T BANG THE CUSTOMERS. Thank your for your time and consideration.

LH423

727200 wrote:

Delta Airlines off duty flight attendant faces the sack after inappropriate behavior onboard a flight

If he had done it in the sack, he wouldn't be facing the sack!

usxguy wrote:

Had this young bottom

TTailedTiger wrote:

A good video description would be "Delta flight attendant sticks the landing".

Reminds me of the old joke about why gay men make such great travelers...

LH423 wrote:

What kind of chaps my ass (no pun intended)

Right....

questions wrote:

usxguy wrote:

Had this young bottom kept his ID in his bag...

Where was this established? Have you seen the video??

Yes, there are 3 of them and I try to make some obvious hints as to how to find them...

Its clear as day, and you can even make out his name... its like 30 seconds in and you are staring at his ID for a good 10-15 seconds.

Man...that porn star is hot! What does the FA look like?

usxguy wrote:

And this kids, is why you shouldn't wear your airline badge and lanyard while non-reving. Had this young bottom kept his ID in his bag (there's really NO reason to have that thing dangling from your neck -- the gate agents know you are staff, the flight attendants know you are staff..), this would have just been filed under #anotherhotMileHighClub experience. Instead, it cost him his job and shutting down the Twitter servers from everyone looking for the video.

Exactly. The fatal flaw was wearing his ID -- and especially dangling it within camera view at the beginning of the video. It wasn't fully legible to me but you can definitely make out that it's a Delta crew ID. Had he removed it, there wouldn't have been any identifying marks.

usxguy wrote:

And this kids, is why you shouldn't wear your airline badge and lanyard while non-reving. Had this young bottom kept his ID in his bag (there's really NO reason to have that thing dangling from your neck -- the gate agents know you are staff, the flight attendants know you are staff..), this would have just been filed under #anotherhotMileHighClub experience. Instead, it cost him his job and shutting down the Twitter servers from everyone looking for the video.

And it seems that Mr. Austin wasn't accepting deposits in this video.

Not that I'd know, but (fill in blank) "Most magical place on earth" _____guy39 on one of the social media apps may or may not have part of the video available.

Wasn’t he in uniform? If so the lanyard doesn’t matter.

usxguy wrote:

And this kids, is why you shouldn't wear your airline badge and lanyard while non-reving. Had this young bottom kept his ID in his bag (there's really NO reason to have that thing dangling from your neck -- the gate agents know you are staff, the flight attendants know you are staff..), this would have just been filed under #anotherhotMileHighClub experience. Instead, it cost him his job and shutting down the Twitter servers from everyone looking for the video.

And it seems that Mr. Austin wasn't accepting deposits in this video.

Not that I'd know, but (fill in blank) "Most magical place on earth" _____guy39 on one of the social media apps may or may not have part of the video available.

You guys get all offended that the OP specified that the encounter was homosexual in his original post, but then you'll post overly graphic stuff like this. You don't get to pick and choose when you want to be shy.

The guy should be fired for being stupid enough to pull a stunt like this in his work uniform. What a dolt.

intotheair wrote:

Where's the video? We have a right to draw our own, um, conclusions from it.

Uggghhhh. Last thing in the world I’d want to see is that video. I’m straight and don’t even find woman on woman to be hot, let alone two dudes going at it. I sure hope that whoever was the dominant one wore a “party hat”.

I can't think of many industries where sex in the work place or on company property is tolerated. Further, sex while in uniform, with paying customers in the vicinity is simply wrong.

TTailedTiger wrote:

Years ago Delta fired a flight attendant for taking seductive photos on the 767. But she was fully clothed. But that was a different company. Delta used to be a traditional airline. Since the merger with NWA they moved to an ultra-modern anything goes type of philosophy. It has gone to the heads of many of their employees.

All those NWA folks pushing that gay agenda /s

questions wrote:

usxguy wrote:

Had this young bottom kept his ID in his bag...

Where was this established? Have you seen the video??

In the videos... which really aren’t that exciting.

PlanesNTrains wrote:

Why would the porn guy share it without the other guys permission? What a world class jerk.

Because, by all accounts, that's exactly what he is. Everything I've ever read about Austin Wolff indicates he's a pretty awful person.

My understanding is he was still on probation, so his career is over. Friend of mine knows a DL FA who told us this.

There is a 1985 film called "Night Flight" with a lavatory scene in a mock-up interior of a 707. In those days models did not look like hired professionals but that's all folks, I cannot risk losing my membership for the Vintage Gay Mile Higher Club. Certainly not!

fwiw, the Twitter account with the videos was taken down.

And regarding my deposits post, well, Mr. Austin has a 'business' of spending time with people, but you have to pay him a deposit.

I worked for a Hawaiian airline for almost 11 years, and I learned on my 2nd trip to stop wearing anything with our logo on it, or tell people what I do for a living. I'd then become a Fodors Guide for the next 6-11 hours. Talk about miserable. The moment your seatmates find out you work for an airline, you either have to become wikipedia or accept blame for every little failure that's happened to them in 20+ years of flying. When I non-rev, I blend in. No ID, no lanyard, no visor, no polo.

ckfred wrote:

I can't think of many industries where sex in the work place or on company property is tolerated. Further, sex while in uniform, with paying customers in the vicinity is simply wrong.

Absolutely. Anyone trying to defend this is way off base. The FA should be fired. End of story, DL moves on and the former FA finds work elsewhere.

mcdu wrote:

ckfred wrote:

I can't think of many industries where sex in the work place or on company property is tolerated. Further, sex while in uniform, with paying customers in the vicinity is simply wrong.

Absolutely. Anyone trying to defend this is way off base. The FA should be fired. End of story, DL moves on and the former FA finds work elsewhere.

I’ve heard that people have been fired at my company for this too. A man and woman go find some deserted conference room in a deserted area, they thought. They get caught getting it on. The company gets them on right out the door.

You have to be pretty stupid and desperate to do what the Delta guy did. I certainly wouldn’t want to be with a woman who was so loose that she picked up on a stranger on a flight and got it going in the lav.

Wow, that really requires a special kind of stupid to get yourself involved in a mess like that. Very unprofessional behavior by both men.

No doubt it has happened before and will happen again.
This is what happens when whats in your pants takes over whats in your head.
Thank God, I'm no longer in my 20's
Nobody was hurt in the making of the video.
He just needs a new job in another industry, prehaps the porn guy could give him a reference, lol