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Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:52 am

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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:59 am

Wow! DL is building quite the international network from BOS. Next summer DL will operate:
BOS-AMS
BOS-CDG
BOS-DUB
BOS-EDI
BOS-LHR
BOS-LIS.

Impressive.
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:15 am

how many daily/weekly TATL flights does EDI have now? (combined, not just on DL)
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:47 am

Keep it coming!
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:35 am

Why should one have to fly via JFK or some other airport to go to TATL destinations ? I suspect the significance financial services and tech businesses in Boston and the region means enough premium demand along with competitive pricing and not have to go through JFK/EWR for coach/economy means good yields makes them worth consider operating them.
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:40 am

Great news for EDI after a few route cancellations recently. But it sets me thinking that BOS would have worked better for Norwegian's EDI transatlantic flights rather than PVD.
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:45 am

Some more info here that states EDI-BOS will be seasonal: http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/ ... h-us-route

TC957 wrote:
Great news for EDI after a few route cancellations recently. But it sets me thinking that BOS would have worked better for Norwegian's EDI transatlantic flights rather than PVD.


It indirectly replaces Norwegian's service that's soon to end. We'll soon see if DL are able to make a bigger success of it than Norwegian were with PVD.
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:14 am

All routes I Imagined B6 on of they started Tatl ops.
A319, A320, A321, A330-200, A350-900, A380, 737-700, 737-800, 777-200ER, 777-300, 777-300ER, 787-8, Q300, Q400
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:18 am

Delta had said that Boston was of importance to them, the TATL can all start on the 757 & up-gauge as needed. Everything to the UK, is covered under their metal neutral JV with VS. DL & VS have done well with varying aircraft to better match each routes needs & demands. Another way for DL to beat B6 to the secondary TATL markets & get established on future B6 routes.
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:35 am

Oof, I'd guess every TATL add DL makes from BOS/JFK makes B6 entering Europe less likely for the time being. DL's BOS international network is now very impressive, especially considering their TATL JV with VS and AF/KLM and TPAC JV with KE also comes into play.
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:20 am

bhxdtw wrote:
how many daily/weekly TATL flights does EDI have now? (combined, not just on DL)


UA to EWR, ORD and IAD
AA to PHL
DL to JFK and BOS
AC (Rouge) to YYZ

JFK and EWR are pretty much year round, the rest are seasonal.
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:22 am

Not surprised. It seems like DL plan is to treat BOS like Seattle 2.0. A lot of similarities between the two. Plus DL can apply their lessons learned in SEA as they grow their presence in BOS.
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:26 am

The 757s will have D1 seats for this route. http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/ ... h-us-route
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:41 am

Delta has domestic F 757-200s with ETOPS with enough range for BOS-EDI. If paid front cabin loads aren't great I could imagine them dropping Delta One (lie flat) sales.
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:07 pm

I don't get why would DL adding seasonal flights to leisure destinations make it less likely for B6 to enter TATL. All along, B6 has said the market they need to enter is London and other business market. It's people on this forum who keeps assuming their goal is to enter secondary market.

either way, EDI seems like a good choice. There should be demand and it has no competition.

Not surprised. It seems like DL plan is to treat BOS like Seattle 2.0. A lot of similarities between the two. Plus DL can apply their lessons learned in SEA as they grow their presence in BOS.

what lessons are those outside of just adding flights that make sense to them?
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:13 pm

tphuang wrote:
I don't get why would DL adding seasonal flights to leisure destinations make it less likely for B6 to enter TATL. All along, B6 has said the market they need to enter is London and other business market. It's people on this forum who keeps assuming their goal is to enter secondary market.

either way, EDI seems like a good choice. There should be demand and it has no competition.

Not surprised. It seems like DL plan is to treat BOS like Seattle 2.0. A lot of similarities between the two. Plus DL can apply their lessons learned in SEA as they grow their presence in BOS.

what lessons are those outside of just adding flights that make sense to them?


I think DL would actually hurt B6. DL has the benefit of both frequent flyers on the BOS side plus Virgin's FF and holiday package sales on the EDI side. B6 is unknown on the UK side. I feel like the UK could be a bigger source for traffic than the US - look at MAN (I know EDI is more of a tourist place than MAN). But either way the EDI traffic source should not be discounted.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:16 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I don't get why would DL adding seasonal flights to leisure destinations make it less likely for B6 to enter TATL. All along, B6 has said the market they need to enter is London and other business market. It's people on this forum who keeps assuming their goal is to enter secondary market.

either way, EDI seems like a good choice. There should be demand and it has no competition.

Not surprised. It seems like DL plan is to treat BOS like Seattle 2.0. A lot of similarities between the two. Plus DL can apply their lessons learned in SEA as they grow their presence in BOS.

what lessons are those outside of just adding flights that make sense to them?


I think DL would actually hurt B6. DL has the benefit of both frequent flyers on the BOS side plus Virgin's FF and holiday package sales on the EDI side. B6 is unknown on the UK side. I feel like the UK could be a bigger source for traffic than the US - look at MAN (I know EDI is more of a tourist place than MAN). But either way the EDI traffic source should not be discounted.


B6 has no interest in going to EDI at the moment. Their interest is London and then Dublin.
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:18 pm

This is exactly how SEA was hubbed. They progressively added international destinations and then had several rounds of domestic adds. Soon enough they will offer a decent amount of connections, including TPA, RDU, MCO, PHL, AUS, PBI, RIC, IND, BNA... among others. Although, I don’t know the schedule of these destinations to see if they’re conveniently timed. More competition is always better for the consumer! May the best one win.
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:24 pm

I wonder how many international destinations DL needs to have from BOS before Massport seriously considers FIS in Terminal A? Hello additional service to ORH?

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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:28 pm

DL122 departs BOS at 22:15, arrives EDI at 09:25 (next day)
DL123 departs EDI at 10:55, arrives BOS at 13:02
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:32 pm

TC957 wrote:
Great news for EDI after a few route cancellations recently. But it sets me thinking that BOS would have worked better for Norwegian's EDI transatlantic flights rather than PVD.

Norwegian's entire operation closed earlier this month and one big reason cited by the Scotsman was the 75£ tax on flights from EDI which drove leisure passengers to other airports in the UK to save money. The problem appears to be on the Scotland end and not really anything wrong at PVD as that service operated until the end and did quite well. Perhaps a different passenger makeup for DL, the homogenization of the fee into DL fares for cities beyond BOS or a possible repeal of the tax may work in its favor.
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:41 pm

so how do DL-DL connections work in BOS? Do all their internationals flights arr/dep Term E. or do they depart from DL terminal and arrive at E? and how is connection if terminal split. does one have to go outside ?

thanks
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:42 pm

That 9-11am block on the apron and in terminal at EDI high summer is going to be mayhem, extension or not.
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:44 pm

DL International flights at BOS arrive in E and depart from A. You do have to go "outside" to go from E to A. You can either take a shuttle bus or walk through covered (but not enclosed) walkways.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:48 pm

RJNUT wrote:
so how do DL-DL connections work in BOS? Do all their internationals flights arr/dep Term E. or do they depart from DL terminal and arrive at E? and how is connection if terminal split. does one have to go outside ?

thanks

DL operated international flights depart from A (e.g. LHR, DUB etc.). DL codeshare flights on VS, AF and now soon to be KL, KE from E with the exception of WS. All international arrivals are always E.

International pax transiting from TATL destinations have to walk back from E to A for DL or WS domestic flights and redo security after international immigrations/customs.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:51 pm

The PVD-EDI flights are ending due to a failed promise to lower the APD tax when departing EDI, not for poor performance at PVD.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:54 pm

by738 wrote:
That 9-11am block on the apron and in terminal at EDI high summer is going to be mayhem, extension or not.


D8 won’t be there next year with their arrival from the US so the new DL flight from BOS effectively replaces that. The extension and additional stands should help a lot next year.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:56 pm

PVD757 wrote:
The PVD-EDI flights are ending due to a failed promise to lower the APD tax when departing EDI, not for poor performance at PVD.


Towards the end there, both routes from EDI to PVD and SWF appeared to be operating quite well with decent loads.

You are right though, a reduction in APD was promised but has not been delivered yet which put EDI at a disadvantage somewhat when comparing against the likes of DUB.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:57 pm

RJNUT wrote:
so how do DL-DL connections work in BOS? Do all their internationals flights arr/dep Term E. or do they depart from DL terminal and arrive at E? and how is connection if terminal split. does one have to go outside ?

thanks

It is really simple to make DL intl connections in BOS. Outbound both flight are in A. Inbound, you have to transfer from E to A, but it is super simple a security is usually pretty quick at BOS. It is way easier than trying to deal with the mess that is NYC. I hope DL continue to expand intl connecting options out of BOS.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:20 pm

Delta is making every move possible to become the international carrier for BOS before B6 ever even has the chance
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:35 pm

B6 talks a good game. They talk and talk and talk.

Delta must have thought, not a bad idea!
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:44 pm

a320fan wrote:
All routes I Imagined B6 on of they started Tatl ops.


Why do you think Delta’s doing it? They want to be “Boston’s #1 international airline,” so they’re gonna use their superior resources to get a head start and dig in before B6 tries any funny business.
 
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:47 pm

tphuang wrote:
I don't get why would DL adding seasonal flights to leisure destinations make it less likely for B6 to enter TATL. All along, B6 has said the market they need to enter is London and other business market. It's people on this forum who keeps assuming their goal is to enter secondary market.


Want to compare CASM of a Mint 321LR to a 787-9 or 77W? The frequency offered by BA JFK/BOS-LHR compared to what AA/BA offer? I don't think so. The use of 321s TATL by B6 would inherently limit destinations they can make work. Then there are 2nd-order effects: some thin routes than can support one carrier can't support two. Delta preempts some plausible B6 routes.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:51 pm

Official announcement:

https://news.delta.com/delta-continues- ... s-scotland

Also looks like BOS-DUB will be upgauged to the 763ER, thus freeing up the 75S for BOS-EDI.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:09 pm

N766UA wrote:
a320fan wrote:
All routes I Imagined B6 on of they started Tatl ops.


Why do you think Delta’s doing it? They want to be “Boston’s #1 international airline,” so they’re gonna use their superior resources to get a head start and dig in before B6 tries any funny business.


Not sure why B6 wants TATL (other than maybe London). There's a ton of capacity over the pond and not all are going to make it. Primera and cuts by WW are examples. B6 should wait out on some more discontinued flights. There will be some, just a matter of time.
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:28 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
N766UA wrote:
a320fan wrote:
All routes I Imagined B6 on of they started Tatl ops.


Why do you think Delta’s doing it? They want to be “Boston’s #1 international airline,” so they’re gonna use their superior resources to get a head start and dig in before B6 tries any funny business.


Not sure why B6 wants TATL (other than maybe London). There's a ton of capacity over the pond and not all are going to make it. Primera and cuts by WW are examples. B6 should wait out on some more discontinued flights. There will be some, just a matter of time.


I guess DL counts "international" as # of European countries served rather than # of countries served. I think this is a good add for Delta on a route that has a lot of potential. They have the ability to shift resources around in summer time to provide these flights that will probably not work year around. B6 doesn't have that luxury. They are going to have to fly to London because it's a year round market that their customers demand.

MIflyer12 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I don't get why would DL adding seasonal flights to leisure destinations make it less likely for B6 to enter TATL. All along, B6 has said the market they need to enter is London and other business market. It's people on this forum who keeps assuming their goal is to enter secondary market.


Want to compare CASM of a Mint 321LR to a 787-9 or 77W? The frequency offered by BA JFK/BOS-LHR compared to what AA/BA offer? I don't think so. The use of 321s TATL by B6 would inherently limit destinations they can make work. Then there are 2nd-order effects: some thin routes than can support one carrier can't support two. Delta preempts some plausible B6 routes.


Right, so they are limited by A321LR to London and Dublin, which is what their corporate clients are requesting for. And once they get comfortable and we all know how slow B6 management does anything, they can try more markets.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:29 pm

panamair wrote:
Official announcement:

https://news.delta.com/delta-continues- ... s-scotland

Also looks like BOS-DUB will be upgauged to the 763ER, thus freeing up the 75S for BOS-EDI.


Seems odd that they're putting 75S equipment on the EDI flight but not on the LIS flight. Are premium loads to LIS really that bad?
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:45 pm

As far as B6, I just think this add by delta is just them trying to get some premium yield before B6 enters, this whole notion that "well now delta is there, B6 is late", well with that notion they should've never entered in premium transcontinental and would've never made money on it like they currently do. B6 knows Delta would've been probably making first run being they already have the 757's/767's to do it. But with over 80+ or so A321neo' on order with as many of those they want to convert to LR/XLR's they will have plenty to bolster a decent TATL network from Boston to help prop up its already better network over DL in Boston. They are stimulating traffic and B6 will have no issues of the "late to the game" idea some here think. Especially transatlantic to N America. Whoever thinks B6 or anyone would just start a TATL service and monopolize it and print money is smoking something serious, that never exist in this industry especially when it comes to International service. Its just historically been that way.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:05 pm

Victorville wrote:
panamair wrote:
Official announcement:

https://news.delta.com/delta-continues- ... s-scotland

Also looks like BOS-DUB will be upgauged to the 763ER, thus freeing up the 75S for BOS-EDI.


Seems odd that they're putting 75S equipment on the EDI flight but not on the LIS flight. Are premium loads to LIS really that bad?


Much less competition to LIS. They are putting the premium product where the competition is.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:15 pm

drdisque wrote:
DL International flights at BOS arrive in E and depart from A. You do have to go "outside" to go from E to A. You can either take a shuttle bus or walk through covered (but not enclosed) walkways.

uh? The walk from terminal E to terminal A is fully enclosed.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:22 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
Not sure why B6 wants TATL (other than maybe London).


Because they're looking at what they get for fares with Mint to the West Coast and comparing that with transatlantic J fares which are often several times more for a flight that might be an hour or two longer. I think they see an opportunity to disrupt the pricing structure there, although I think they'll face some difficulty given the unavailability/cost of slots at LHR; I expect that selling Mint to business customers to LGW/STN/LTN might be more challenging.

tphuang wrote:
Right, so they are limited by A321LR to London and Dublin, which is what their corporate clients are requesting for. And once they get comfortable and we all know how slow B6 management does anything, they can try more markets.


You have to wonder if it's worthwhile for them to go to DUB, though; I'd think that would instantly torpedo the EI relationship since DUB-BOS/NYC are EI's two biggest transatlantic markets. Of course, starting LON might end the relationship anyway due to the shared ownership between BA & EI.

Victorville wrote:
Seems odd that they're putting 75S equipment on the EDI flight but not on the LIS flight. Are premium loads to LIS really that bad?


At one time I would have expected a fair amount of corporate traffic to EDI as a result of RBS owning Citizens Financial Group (HQ'd in Providence) but RBS sold off the last of its stake in Citizens three years ago. Edinburgh is still ranked quite a bit higher among global financial centers than Lisbon, though, and BOS-LIS is going to be virtually all VFR & tourism.
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:29 pm

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Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:42 pm

kavok wrote:
Victorville wrote:
Seems odd that they're putting 75S equipment on the EDI flight but not on the LIS flight. Are premium loads to LIS really that bad?


Much less competition to LIS. They are putting the premium product where the competition is.


What do you mean EDI has more competition? EDI has no competition while LIS will now have 2 airlines flying it, 3 if you count the one stop S4 flight.
 
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:36 pm

avi8 wrote:
This is exactly how SEA was hubbed. They progressively added international destinations and then had several rounds of domestic adds. Soon enough they will offer a decent amount of connections, including TPA, RDU, MCO, PHL, AUS, PBI, RIC, IND, BNA... among others. Although, I don’t know the schedule of these destinations to see if they’re conveniently timed. More competition is always better for the consumer! May the best one win.


AUS - BOS daily has already been in place since early summer 2018. Started on a 738. Now a 320.
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:02 pm

I would have thought that DL would fly EDI-ATL before BOS. I suppose they are filling in the gap from DY.
 
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Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:45 am

Breathe wrote:
I would have thought that DL would fly EDI-ATL before BOS. I suppose they are filling in the gap from DY.



I would have thought they would have tried DTW-MAN first. Why would they try ATL-EDI when they ended ATL-LIS in favor of BOS-LIS.
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:18 am

klm617 wrote:
Why would they try ATL-EDI when they ended ATL-LIS in favor of BOS-LIS.


Perhaps because Boston has the largest concentration of Portuguese descendants in the USA? Or is that over your head to understand?
 
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jordanh wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Why would they try ATL-EDI when they ended ATL-LIS in favor of BOS-LIS.


Perhaps because Boston has the largest concentration of Portuguese descendants in the USA? Or is that over your head to understand?


This type of snarky comment adds nothing to the conversation (they also didn't ask why DL added BOS-LIS, but go off).

Anyway, I guess BOS-EDI makes more sense on an 752 than using up a 763 or other bigger aircraft that would be needed to reach EDI from ATL.
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Re: Delta add daily EDI-BOS

Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:25 am

I believe DL used to operate ATL-SNN with the 752's, wouldn't ATL-EDI be capable with the 752's also?
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