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AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:48 pm

I just noticed on flightaware AF has been swapping the A380 and B77W for the LAX flights.
AF 66 has been operated by the B77W for a couple of days this week. The A380 has come in as AF 72 on the days AF 66 is operated by the 77W.
Is this a permanent change or is AF just trying out something new temporarily? Looks like they interchange equipment two days a week.
 
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:58 pm

Its just the way the schedule is.

AF69 uses 380 TuFr till Oct 26th. Been published to be like this since earlier in the year.

For winter schedule 380 solely on 65/66.
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:06 pm

Not really new, they've done similar before.

Also keep in mind in the last year, DL has (1) started and then later (2) increased service on LAX-CDG, so AF also has that to contend with in terms of scheduling/capacity as well as the competition: LAX ties with JFK as the only airport in the States that has 5 different airlines competing nonstop to CDG.
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:47 pm

They do this from time to time. Not sure if maintenance or the drop off in fall demand or a combination of the two. But both IAD-CDG have been 777 for the past few weeks.
 
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:26 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Not really new, they've done similar before.

Also keep in mind in the last year, DL has (1) started and then later (2) increased service on LAX-CDG, so AF also has that to contend with in terms of scheduling/capacity as well as the competition: LAX ties with JFK as the only airport in the States that has 5 different airlines competing nonstop to CDG.



DL and AF are JV partners on LAX-CDG, they are effectively one airline in terms of competition.
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:44 am

Sometime ago AF's CEO had said the A380 was indeed too large for their operation & the markets they serve. I have been wondeing if we will see AF downgauge flight # 065 & 066 to a 77W. As it is they have flights 068 & 069 which is operated with the 77W normally & then you have the flights that continue operate CDG-LAX-PPT-LAX-CDG with their 77Es. Even though DL is a joint venture partner & the nonstop they started this summer will continue through the off season & become daily, it is additional capacity. Then you have Air. Tahiti Nui & Norweigan.. That is a lot of capacity on this market. Obviously, it's not Heathrow in terms of number of flights, competition, it's a lot of seats.
Does anyone know what their load factors (AF as well as their competitors) are?
Also, has AF upgraded the hard product on the A380s to be consistent with their B777 & B787 fleets? I forums the 77W to have a nicer J product over the A380s. I know the A330s are receiving upgrades but isn't flown to LAX.

Wishing AF could replace the A380s with B748s.
 
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:39 am

Web500sjc wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Also keep in mind in the last year, DL has (1) started and then later (2) increased service on LAX-CDG, so AF also has that to contend with in terms of scheduling/capacity as well as the competition: LAX ties with JFK as the only airport in the States that has 5 different airlines competing nonstop to CDG.

DL and AF are JV partners on LAX-CDG, they are effectively one airline in terms of competition.

...well aware, but that point is moot: capacity is capacity-- whether knowingly added by a metal-neutral partner or unexpected by a competitor, it's still something AF has to adjust for.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:47 pm

laca773 wrote:
Wishing AF could replace the A380s with B748s.


And why would AF do that? Replace a superior plane, with a derivative of a 60s design? And one that only 3 pax carrying airlines bothered to order. The 380 may be a tad too large for AF's network but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and replace it with a plane that the market clearly has said no to.
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:15 pm

dcajet wrote:
laca773 wrote:
Wishing AF could replace the A380s with B748s.


And why would AF do that? Replace a superior plane, with a derivative of a 60s design? And one that only 3 pax carrying airlines bothered to order. The 380 may be a tad too large for AF's network but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and replace it with a plane that the market clearly has said no to.


Agree with you in someways. The other thing to is that Airbus is in many ways politically connected with the government in France same with Air France I do believe that some part of AF maintaining and choosing the A380 over 747-800 was due to the political connection between the governments and the large national symbolic corporations.
 
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:18 pm

gsg013 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
laca773 wrote:
Wishing AF could replace the A380s with B748s.


And why would AF do that? Replace a superior plane, with a derivative of a 60s design? And one that only 3 pax carrying airlines bothered to order. The 380 may be a tad too large for AF's network but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and replace it with a plane that the market clearly has said no to.


Agree with you in someways. The other thing to is that Airbus is in many ways politically connected with the government in France same with Air France I do believe that some part of AF maintaining and choosing the A380 over 747-800 was due to the political connection between the governments and the large national symbolic corporations.


I don't believe that is any longer the case. The fact that AF has one of the largest 777 fleets out there and have ordered the 787-9 shows that today's AF is not political when it comes to ordering planes. The 747-8 never had a chance at AF or at BA, independent from the fact that the A380 may not be ideal for AF.
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:47 am

gsg013 wrote:
The other thing to is that Airbus is in many ways politically connected with the government in France same with Air France I do believe that some part of AF maintaining and choosing the A380 over 747-800 was due to the political connection between the governments and the large national symbolic corporations.

Rightttt, that's why AF chose the 77E instead of increasing their already-existing A343 fleet, then chose the 77W over the A346, then chose the 789 instead of waiting for A330N despite already having A330s.

...makes perfect sense. :roll:
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:07 am

AF is losing market share right and left.
You can blame overcapacity on the A380 or you can blame it on the real culprit, ie incompetence.
 
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Re: AF swapping A380 and B77W for LAX flights

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:29 pm

I do love the AF product though just not the A380

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