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N777UA- How much longer does she have?

Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:22 am

I was at the MKE Layton Ave observation area when I looked in my rearview mirror when I saw something big coming in. I saw that it looked like it was coming in slow. I took a pic of it with my cell phone and lo and behold it was a UA 777!
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I looked at the arrival info from Flightaware.com and it was coming to take the Dodgers to Boston! I stuck around since I had the time and watched it taxi past me I took another pic and after I took it and looked up I noticed the registry number: N777UA, the very first production 777 delivered!
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It was a very sobering sight, but it made me think of the question- how much longer does this historic aircraft have left? According to Airfleets.net, She had her first flight on 4/25/95, and was delivered to UA on 5/15/95, making her current age 23.5 years. Anybody have any inside info on what the fate of this bird will be? Will she celebrate her 25th birthday still in service or somewhere (or as something) else?
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:27 am

The domestic 777’s have quite a bit of life left in them. They aren’t in danger of the scrapper any time soon. Will definitely see a 25th birthday and likely a 30th.
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:33 am

Not going anywhere soon, but I doubt she'll end up as a museum piece.
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:33 am

UA will probably fly the 772As until the wings start falling off. They have very little resale value, but they're still relatively modern aircraft that are perfect for stuffing as many seats as possible into them and flying them on 2-6 hour domestic flights. They'll probably be good for another five years or so before they go straight to the scrapper.
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:38 am

Have flown on her a few times when she was doing hops to LHR. Always was great to be on the "first one". Hope she hangs around for many years yet.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:37 pm

It's interesting to me we are having this conversation about the 777. I've been around these forums since 1997, 98 or so, and we used to have these threads about the DC-10.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:52 pm

Side question... Why do sports teams require such large aircraft? Is there that many occupants and/or cargo? Or is it just due to whatever aircraft said airline has available for use?

Seems wasteful to use something like a 777 if a 737 for example could be used, especially for such short hops.

In Cleveland last a week a Virgin A340 flew in to take a sports team over the pond... I mean, long haul would make more sense but domestic flights?
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:55 pm

Is this plan set up in United’s standard interior package or has the interior been fitted out the transport a professional sports teams. I can’t see the Dodger flying there players in a standard layout. If this plane has been transformed then it is not flying as much as it would with regular folk.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:56 pm

Time marches on... I vividly remember Air Canada retiring its Viscount, the first airplane I ever flew on, in 1969 when I was 11 years old; by 1974 they were all gone. Lots of hours on DC9s. Gone. Flew on DC8s, 727s, L1011s, DC10s, A300s, A310s, mostly all gone; Flew on AC 767s when they were only a few months old; 200s gone, 300s going fast, down to a half-dozen or so airframes on mainline. Last year I sold my Beech Sundowner, it was 36 years old when I sold it, with nearly 11,000 hours on the airframe.

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Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:18 pm

invertalon wrote:
Side question... Why do sports teams require such large aircraft? Is there that many occupants and/or cargo? Or is it just due to whatever aircraft said airline has available for use?

Seems wasteful to use something like a 777 if a 737 for example could be used, especially for such short hops.

In Cleveland last a week a Virgin A340 flew in to take a sports team over the pond... I mean, long haul would make more sense but domestic flights?

The plane that a given team uses can be a based on a mix of factors. Sports with bigger teams (NFL, for example) will take a larger plane based on necessary capacity. Come playoffs, many teams also upgauge to bring along more people than might come on a regular season road trip (family, additional staff).
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:22 pm

My first flight on a 777 was IAD-FRA on a UA 77A in April 1997. It was shiny, high-tech, had PTVs at every seat, even for us in the back in Economy. Oh, these were the times!

In the inbound flight to my holiday in Florida had been on a classic LH 747-200, which was cleary at the end of his life and and had a tight seatpitch mainly flying to sunny tourist destinations. It was an extreme contrast to the modern high-tech 777 back then. What added to the fun was that LH's inflight magazine ran a story about Star Alliance partner United's shiny new 777 fleet, how it was the first aircraft ever to be completely designed on a computer in CAD and how they soon would get the longer range 200ER subtype.

I was 12 back then and sadly lost the inflight magazine, as well as the registrations I've flown on this trip.

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It's interesting to me we are having this conversation about the 777. I've been around these forums since 1997, 98 or so, and we used to have these threads about the DC-10.


Yeah, exactly my feelings. I started reading aNut in 2000 or 2001, joined in 2003 after getting my first credit card after having turned 18 in late 2002. Time sure has changed, but the 777 still doesn't feeld old to me. Back then we had countless threads on when NWA will retire their DC-9s and about Continental DC-10s and so many other classics that are all gone now. It's hard to realise that the 777 now is getting into "that age", too...
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:43 pm

There are some 28-year old 757s, 767s, and A320s remaining in passenger service with major North American carriers. Still, if you want to fly the first UA 777 I can't advise you to wait long.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:50 pm

Regarding your question about widebody aircraft for domestic sports charters. This has everything to do with it being the World Series / Playoffs. Teams expand the traveling party to include most of the front office, scouts and family etc. I was able to attend the 2016 World Series in Cleveland. In total there were 5 charters between Cleveland and Chicago between Game 2 and 3 all happened to be with United. Cubs had a 747 and 737; Cleveland had 2 737s and MLB had its own 737. They all left within less than an hour of one another after Game 2.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:15 pm

Beatyair wrote:
Is this plan set up in United’s standard interior package or has the interior been fitted out the transport a professional sports teams. I can’t see the Dodger flying there players in a standard layout. If this plane has been transformed then it is not flying as much as it would with regular folk.


There are no modifications to the aircraft it is a standard layout and United's charter team will provide the aircraft that the customer requests and pays for. The Dodgers organization over this post season have flown on UA's 739ERs, 763s, 764s, 789s, and domestic configured 772s. As a team advances in the post season their needs for ever larger aircraft and multiple aircraft grow, and once the team get to the World Series they might charter 1 or 2 large widebody (772HD, 772ER, 77W) or a midsize widebody (787, or 767 any variant) and the still may charter a narrowbody (793ER, or 738) it all depends on the needs of the organization. There are no seating modifications done and the aircraft returns to revenue service in most cases the same day the charter ends.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:20 pm

She spent a sizable chunk of her life doing Midwest/eastern US-Europe turns so she has plenty of life left. I managed to get a flight on her FRA-ORD. She had just gotten overhauled so she was immaculate.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:29 pm

invertalon wrote:
Side question... Why do sports teams require such large aircraft? Is there that many occupants and/or cargo? Or is it just due to whatever aircraft said airline has available for use?

Seems wasteful to use something like a 777 if a 737 for example could be used, especially for such short hops.

In Cleveland last a week a Virgin A340 flew in to take a sports team over the pond... I mean, long haul would make more sense but domestic flights?


For a World Series bound team, in addition to the full roster of players, there are the coaches, trainers, team doctors, P.R. and office staff, members of the press, promotions people, and even some friends and family. Add those up and you have several hundreds of people. Down in the holds you have promotion display set ups for the game, merchandise for sale, team equipment and of course everybody’s personal luggage. Big airplane needed.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:50 pm

I bet you guys up in Milwaukee have a hey day when a bunch of ORD international flights divert for wx ;)
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:50 pm

intotheair wrote:
UA will probably fly the 772As until the wings start falling off. They have very little resale value, but they're still relatively modern aircraft that are perfect for stuffing as many seats as possible into them and flying them on 2-6 hour domestic flights. They'll probably be good for another five years or so before they go straight to the scrapper.


The 77A is good for more than 2-6 hr flights. UA uses them daily to HNL from ORD and IAH. Both flights are often over the 8hr mark with ORD-HNL going over 9hrs at times during the winter.

UA will likely keep the 77A fleet until the oldest frames hit the 30 year mark at least. One reason is that there is no replacement aircraft for the unique role the 77A fills at UA. Many have posited that the 77E will replace the A model as the 359s come online.
While that is possible, if not probable, UA is currently reconfiguring the entire 77E fleet with the Polaris hard product and PE. I’m not sure how long it takes airlines to see an ROI on new hard product offerings but it doesn’t make much sense to buy and install all of those lie flats only to rip out nearly half to bring the 77Es up to similar seat counts as the current A model with in the next 5-8 years.

Additionally, I don’t see the 359s taking over for the 77A model. New build, latest generation aircraft are expensive, and UA will want those planes on routes that will give them the highest yields. That being said, in the fleet status thread some posters are discussing the possibility of the top up order of 78J frames. The compared to the 788/9 the 78J has only 171 orders. Perhaps within the next 5 years we see UA tap B for more 78Js that would be in a HD config “out of the box”. Given the added length of the 78J a 360 seat config shouldn’t be hard. Moreover, it’s range capabilities are more in line with the 77A than the 359 is. A plane capability of doing 16+ hr missions would be wasted on domestic flights like Hub-Hub/HI.

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Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:12 pm

Based on the flurry of the latest SDR reports, she had some decent work done on her about a year ago. At that time she had 90,497 hours and 15774 cycles on her. By the end of the year I'd expect the hours tally to be between 94-95k. Lots of life left, but I wouldn't be surprised to see her gone within 5 or so years, when hours approach 120,000
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:33 pm

Side question... Why do sports teams require such large aircraft? Is there that many occupants and/or cargo? Or is it just due to whatever aircraft said airline has available for use?


As mentioned earlier in the thread, the plane carries a lot more than just the passengers. I met a former major leaguer awhile back in physical therapy and he remains close with others that I know. Travel came up. Many teams allow the players to bring their families with them, and its a part of many MLB contracts. Figure each MLBer has a wife or girlfriend, maybe one or two kids, it all adds up. Toss in the managers and coaches, owners, trainers, their families and gear and there's your need for a big plane. The team's broadcasters will also likely need room, and sometimes members of the regular press fly along, too.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:11 pm

77H wrote:
intotheair wrote:
UA will likely keep the 77A fleet until the oldest frames hit the 30 year mark at least. One reason is that there is no replacement aircraft for the unique role the 77A fills at UA. Many have posited that the 77E will replace the A model as the 359s come online.


I think as the 787 program matures and Boeing steadily has more margin to play with, the price of incremental 787s for a customer like UA will come down (and the maintenance expenses for old 77As will rise) to the point where 787-10s make sense as a replacement for these aircraft. And I bet that in five years, give or take a couple of years, we'll see those 787-10s ordered. Right now, it just doesn't quite make financial sense.

From a capability perspective the 787-10 is perfect for this role.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:32 pm

When the time comes... repaint her in the original Battleship grey livery and send her to the Museum of Flight. That very aircraft changed the game in a serious way. The 767 tried, as did the A300 but not in the same way. It took a few years to gain traction and the -200ER version get out there but by the time the likes of Singapore, American, BA and even MAS got their first it was clear things were about to change. The issue was this was always intended to be a long range plane. The A330 fully fuelled and loaded weighs as much as the 772ER empty in a lot of configurations. But it certainly made a lot of things possible and all kind of new city pairs open up or go daily. And of course gave us the 77W. This particular plane needs to be preserved at the end of her life. She helped reshape the globe.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:14 pm

I agree. This particular plane is a piece of living history.
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:25 pm

I agree with the above two posters. I don’t understand why she wouldn’t end up in a museum, especially Museum of flight in Seattle, where she would be a perfect addition to the collection.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:52 pm

I doubt the Museum of Flight will add a 777 to the inventory. They are running out of room.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:09 pm

If the prototype didn't earn a spot in Boeing's museum, why would any other?
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:14 pm

Know someone that flew her recently:

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Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:18 pm

777 was a revolutionary program. Of course it belongs in a museum. It was a technological revolution. The 747 is the definition of "classic era widebody" and 777 is the definition of "modern widebody." Airbus products are equally good, but they were not quite as groundbreaking as 747 was in 1969 or 777 in 1995. Well. the A320 was as groundbreaking, in 1988.
 
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:30 pm

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UA will likely keep the 77A fleet until the oldest frames hit the 30 year mark at least. One reason is that there is no replacement aircraft for the unique role the 77A fills at UA. Many have posited that the 77E will replace the A model as the 359s come online.


I think as the 787 program matures and Boeing steadily has more margin to play with, the price of incremental 787s for a customer like UA will come down (and the maintenance expenses for old 77As will rise) to the point where 787-10s make sense as a replacement for these aircraft. And I bet that in five years, give or take a couple of years, we'll see those 787-10s ordered. Right now, it just doesn't quite make financial sense.

From a capability perspective the 787-10 is perfect for this role.


Agreed. Exactly what I was thinking. UA has time on their side with the 77A and I think 5 years is a decent time frame for an order to be placed for approximately 20 78Js in an HD configuration with deliveries staggered a few years behind that? I am not sure how pricing negotiations are done but could UA get a bigger discount if they were to place a firm order but essentially put themselves in the back of the line for deliveries? Assuming there is still a back log and high demand for the 787.

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Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:52 pm

I think in late June the National Air and Space Museum near KIAD and saw this plane on display outside.
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Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:52 pm

How is the 77A such a groundbreaking aircraft? Sure, it was the first full CAD/CAM design out there, but from a performance standpoint it wasn't that exciting. The 200ER was certainly a home run, had Boeing (more like GE/PW/RR) not done that, the 77A would not have sold many more units.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:49 am

77H wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
77H wrote:


I think as the 787 program matures and Boeing steadily has more margin to play with, the price of incremental 787s for a customer like UA will come down (and the maintenance expenses for old 77As will rise) to the point where 787-10s make sense as a replacement for these aircraft. And I bet that in five years, give or take a couple of years, we'll see those 787-10s ordered. Right now, it just doesn't quite make financial sense.

From a capability perspective the 787-10 is perfect for this role.


Agreed. Exactly what I was thinking. UA has time on their side with the 77A and I think 5 years is a decent time frame for an order to be placed for approximately 20 78Js in an HD configuration with deliveries staggered a few years behind that? I am not sure how pricing negotiations are done but could UA get a bigger discount if they were to place a firm order but essentially put themselves in the back of the line for deliveries? Assuming there is still a back log and high demand for the 787.

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very good 77A replacement but they’re not cheap



I think in the near term it’s more likely
UA Will replace them by reconfiguring the oldest P &W 77E models to a domestic configuration as the A359’s arrive


This would allow them to get a few more years use out of an asset that’s already
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:10 am

The UA77A really should be considered an iconic aircraft, that now holds just 10 folks less than the 747 with 2 less engines. The Seattle MOF didn't get the first built aircraft and Pima picked it up. The first delivered bird (N777UA) really should go into a United Museum, along with one of the 15 747's sitting in VCV, and a DC-8 (in LA), a DC-3 (also in LA) a 757 (in GYR) and maybe an older craft or two, if available. A UA museum would be an investment in UA pride, history, legacy and spirit. With all the UA outsourcing, there should be space at a UA hangar somewhere.
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:16 am

Max Q wrote:
The 787-10 could eventually make a very good 77A replacement but they’re not cheap

I think in the near term it’s more likely UA Will replace them by reconfiguring the oldest P &W 77E models to a domestic configuration as the A359’s arrive

This would allow them to get a few more years use out of an asset that’s already paid for


I'm not convinced it would save a lot of money to substitute high-hour, medium-cycle 77Es for medium-hour, high-cycle 77As that are only a bit older.

I tend to think the reconfigured 77Es will serve out their remaining lives with their new international configuration, although they will be increasingly confined to TATL and South America as 789s and 359s take over the most fuel-intensive long routes.

Boeing has been offering incredible deals on 789s as it tries to fill 14 monthly slots. Once North Charleston is capable of putting a 787-10 in every slot, the deals on 787-10s will start appearing too. That's when it will start to look attractive to replace 77As with 787-10s.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:39 am

invertalon wrote:
Side question... Why do sports teams require such large aircraft? Is there that many occupants and/or cargo? Or is it just due to whatever aircraft said airline has available for use?

Seems wasteful to use something like a 777 if a 737 for example could be used, especially for such short hops.

In Cleveland last a week a Virgin A340 flew in to take a sports team over the pond... I mean, long haul would make more sense but domestic flights?



25 players+ Coaches+Staff+Trainers+Equipment Staff plus they fly with all their uniforms balls, bats, personal luggage plus these guys are mostly 6ft plus so they can sit 3 abreast in coach and not be hurting or tired. I’ve seen the Yankees Fly on a 737 Charter and the players were pissed it was a narrow body jet. Delta keeps a fleet of 757’s with 72 business class seats now that is the perfect set up.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:01 am

For the playoffs and world series games they're probably using the bigger planes because they're bringing family members and media along.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:33 am

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If the prototype didn't earn a spot in Boeing's museum, why would any other?


The MoF doesn't have a 757 or 767, either. As noted above, the covered "airpark" is completely full, so the only alternative would be parking it outdoors. They've already got several other aircraft in open-air, including a Super Connie, but the 772 would take up a lot more space. I'd love to see the 'first edition" of every Boeing jet there, but I don't see how it could be done. They're also in the process of restoring a Comet 4C, and I have no idea where they're going to put that when completed.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:34 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
There are some 28-year old 757s, 767s, and A320s remaining in passenger service with major North American carriers. Still, if you want to fly the first UA 777 I can't advise you to wait long.


Its ironic as some airlines outside of North America, tend of think 10-12 years is old an time to replace.

Although one would think with most North American domestic flights not requiring ETOPS e.g. flights are mostly overland, it would be it possible to older airframes in service for longer.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:10 am

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Although one would think with most North American domestic flights not requiring ETOPS e.g. flights are mostly overland, it would be it possible to older airframes in service for longer.


ETOPS and airframe age don't have anything to do with each other.

The highest-hour frames now flying for a U.S. airline are Delta's 767-300ERs, certified for ETOPS 180. It wasn't so long ago that a decent chunk of Delta's Hawaii service was flown by ex-Singapore 757s, also ETOPS 180, that were over 30 years old.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:34 am

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Based on the flurry of the latest SDR reports, she had some decent work done on her about a year ago. At that time she had 90,497 hours and 15774 cycles on her. By the end of the year I'd expect the hours tally to be between 94-95k. Lots of life left, but I wouldn't be surprised to see her gone within 5 or so years, when hours approach 120,000


The anticipated Limit Of Validity (LOV) for the 777-200/300 series (except the 777F) is 160.000 hrs and/or 60.000 cycles, so the aircraft is at approx 60% of her technical live (flight hours limiting)

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Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:46 am

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The MoF doesn't have a 757 or 767, either.

That's because B757 L/N 1 is a prototype and B767 L/N 1 was already scrapped.
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:24 am

The 77As are now operating from EWR and have been for some time, on select EWR-SFO and EWR-LAX turns, as well as daily to DUB, BCN, and MAD. I don't see these aircraft types being retired any time soon.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:34 am

When is the next heavy check/HMV due? That will probably define how much longer she flies.
 
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Re: N777UA- How much longer does she have?

Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:20 pm

Replacing the 77As with 77Es would only be a stopgap solution. They need to be replaced at some point with a modern replacement, and the most logical candidate is the 78J.
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Re: N777UA- How much longer does she have?

Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:16 pm

rj777 wrote:
For the playoffs and world series games they're probably using the bigger planes because they're bringing family members and media along.


I believe that to be true, when the Broncos went to the Super Bowl a few years ago, might be quite a few more years before they go again :( the team flew on a 767-400 and a 747-400 was brought in for family to take them to and from SFO.
 
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Re: N777UA- How much longer does she have?

Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:12 pm

747classic wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Based on the flurry of the latest SDR reports, she had some decent work done on her about a year ago. At that time she had 90,497 hours and 15774 cycles on her. By the end of the year I'd expect the hours tally to be between 94-95k. Lots of life left, but I wouldn't be surprised to see her gone within 5 or so years, when hours approach 120,000


The anticipated Limit Of Validity (LOV) for the 777-200/300 series (except the 777F) is 160.000 hrs and/or 60.000 cycles, so the aircraft is at approx 60% of her technical live (flight hours limiting)

See figure 6 at : https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aerom ... ticle2.pdf


Counterpoint: just how many times have we seen western airframes hit LOV limits? A fraction of 1 percent of all ever built? Upkeep gets way too expensive prior to that, and even at 60% now, it'll never get close to the limits before it's scrapped.
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Re: N777UA- How much longer does she have?

Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:34 pm

beechnut wrote:
Time marches on... I vividly remember Air Canada retiring its Viscount, the first airplane I ever flew on, in 1969 when I was 11 years old; by 1974 they were all gone. Lots of hours on DC9s. Gone. Flew on DC8s, 727s, L1011s, DC10s, A300s, A310s, mostly all gone; Flew on AC 767s when they were only a few months old; 200s gone, 300s going fast, down to a half-dozen or so airframes on mainline. Last year I sold my Beech Sundowner, it was 36 years old when I sold it, with nearly 11,000 hours on the airframe.

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Well, Rouge has some 763s left, and i can't think of a replacement for them that they are ordering, but i could be wrong. Flew on one last year to go to Las Vegas. Nice plane.
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Re: N777UA- How much longer does she have?

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:52 pm

intotheair wrote:
UA will probably fly the 772As until the wings start falling off. They have very little resale value, but they're still relatively modern aircraft that are perfect for stuffing as many seats as possible into them and flying them on 2-6 hour domestic flights. They'll probably be good for another five years or so before they go straight to the scrapper.


77As also fly to HNL as noted above. Also the HNL - NRT - GUM triangle. 77As are the best CASM planes in UA's fleet. Even though engines on 77Es are more efficient they generate over 30% more thrust, so trip fuel consumption is higher. And domestic 77As provide capacity into constrained airports like SFO, LAX, and EWR. Finally, they're paid for, and the composite floor makes freight conversion much more expensive. It looks to me like UA will fly the wings off as in about 30 years of service.
 
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Re: N777UA- How much longer does she have?

Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:42 am

rj777 wrote:
I was at the MKE Layton Ave observation area when I looked in my rearview mirror when I saw something big coming in. I saw that it looked like it was coming in slow. I took a pic of it with my cell phone and lo and behold it was a UA 777!
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I looked at the arrival info from Flightaware.com and it was coming to take the Dodgers to Boston! I stuck around since I had the time and watched it taxi past me I took another pic and after I took it and looked up I noticed the registry number: N777UA, the very first production 777 delivered!
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It was a very sobering sight, but it made me think of the question- how much longer does this historic aircraft have left? According to Airfleets.net, She had her first flight on 4/25/95, and was delivered to UA on 5/15/95, making her current age 23.5 years. Anybody have any inside info on what the fate of this bird will be? Will she celebrate her 25th birthday still in service or somewhere (or as something) else?


UA took delivery of N777UA in PDX, Gate E5 on 5/15/95...I was there!!!! It first did a mail delivery in YVR, then down to PDX. I got to walk around it as well. My Dad worked for UA in PDX at the time. A nice college graduation present for me; my graduation was the day before. Two great days in a row!
 
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Re: N777UA- How much longer does she have?

Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:02 am

NWNightfly wrote:
KICT wrote:
If the prototype didn't earn a spot in Boeing's museum, why would any other?


The MoF doesn't have a 757 or 767, either. As noted above, the covered "airpark" is completely full, so the only alternative would be parking it outdoors. They've already got several other aircraft in open-air, including a Super Connie, but the 772 would take up a lot more space. I'd love to see the 'first edition" of every Boeing jet there, but I don't see how it could be done. They're also in the process of restoring a Comet 4C, and I have no idea where they're going to put that when completed.

There’s likely more than just MOF and Pima as options to put it on display. Either way this is moot since it is not near near retirement. If it is ever on display it needs to be in Battleship Livery.

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