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Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:31 pm

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -perth-ops

Interesting development. We'll see if it actually happens..
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:14 am

Virgin Atlantic to Perth and Virgin Australia code-share from PER to SYD, BNE and MEL. Will be a winning combo against QANTAS!
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:31 am

It's all well and good for Sir Richard to float a thought bubble, but what do the other shareholders - Delta and Air France-KLM - think about it? Given that Delta's guiding hand has really shrunk Virgin into a mostly transatlantic carrier, I can't see them really up for taking a risk on a 'marquee' route, especially with oil on the rise. As it is, VS has only just returned to the Australian market with an offline connection in HKG using VA's services to MEL and SYD.

Having said that, from a practical perspective, the two Virgins could offer seamless connections as VA's domestic services operate from next to the international terminal at PER. A bank of A330s with their super business class timed to connect to MEL and SYD could allow it to match QF's offerings.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:39 am

x1234 wrote:
Virgin Atlantic to Perth and Virgin Australia code-share from PER to SYD, BNE and MEL. Will be a winning combo against QANTAS!


As well as T1 being international you can walk into T1 domestic (virgin) and T2 regional (virgin)

Could be a win for virgin atlantic and australia
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:39 am

Theoretically possible and obvious great connection opportunities throughout the VA network. The potential issues are:

- VS has a higher density configuration on their 789s c.f. QF. (264 v 236) so they may have to block off some seats westbound at least.
- As stated DL may not want VS straying too far from its primary role as a trans-Atlantic carrier
- SQ and EY are both shareholders on VA and benefit from Velocity pax using them for one-stop services to LHR and Europe. What is in it for them having another competitor between AU and UK?
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:42 am

Well this is a blast from the past, lets see if it actually progresses this time.
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:25 am

If this proves prescient, it would be a nice kick in da nutz to BA....

It'll be interesting to see how/if the latter responds:
  • Try to get back in a j/v with QF and take advantage of its current nonstops?
  • Launch their own, being the only carrier to offer F on its 789s on the route?
  • Do neither of the above?
  • Do both of the above?
  • Other?

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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:13 am

VS could possibly operate this with the 789, but since their 789 have 30 extra seats, they would possibly have to reconfigure / block seats on the plane to travel the distance.

I could see the possibility of them operating the a35k instead as it offers more range and payload and is probably better suited on this type of route. The only issue with that is that they might not have enough plane capacity to add a new route like this as it would eat up almost two frames.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:14 am

Hmmmm with their A350-1000s coming, how about a potential up gauge to the A350-1000ULR if it becomes a firm thing, even though the top up placed by Qatar has been indicated as an A350-1000 long range variant :scratchchin:

Even a couple of low density 787s as stated but with larger aircraft becoming available such as the A350 ULR models and Boeing 777-8, they could pose a threat to Qantas by offering more capacity and economy.
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:24 am

LAX772LR wrote:
If this proves prescient, it would be a nice kick in da nutz to BA....

It'll be interesting to see how/if the latter responds:
  • Try to get back in a j/v with QF and take advantage of its current nonstops?
  • Launch their own, being the only carrier to offer F on its 789s on the route?
  • Do neither of the above?
  • Do both of the above?
  • Other?

#Possibilities

BA cannot re-enter JV with QF whilst QF has JSA with EK. Any attempt to do so would be rejected by AU government on competitive grounds.
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:30 am

EBT wrote:
...but what do the other shareholders - Delta and Air France-KLM - think about it?


Current ownership of VS: DL 49%, AF-KLM 31% and SRB 20%. What are the ownership percentages of VA?

Delta has a JV agreement (but not an equity investment) and could benefit by a stronger VA.
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:32 am

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BA cannot re-enter JV with QF whilst QF has JSA with EK.

And how did QF and EK get into a j/v again?
...by dropping their current partner for another one.

Isn't that much of a stretch, with QF moving away from DXB as its prime transit point, and back to SIN + now PER.
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:45 am

Not really.. the EK codeshare still takes a lot more passengers on 1-stop connections to Europe. BA can't offer that
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:01 am

questions wrote:
EBT wrote:
...but what do the other shareholders - Delta and Air France-KLM - think about it?


Current ownership of VS: DL 49%, AF-KLM 31% and SRB 20%. What are the ownership percentages of VA?

Delta has a JV agreement (but not an equity investment) and could benefit by a stronger VA.


Per VA's last annual report:
Etihad Aviation Group - 21%
Singapore Airlines - 20%
Nanshan Group - 19.9%
HNA Group - 19.9%
Virgin Group (not Atlantic) - 10.4%

DL would not get any benefit via VA from a LHR-PER nonstop, and would likely view this route as a major risk for VS with potentially little upside. Get two nonstop players on PER-LHR and watch the yields fall for both carriers, all the while the one-stops via Asia - such as on Singapore Airlines - continue to undercut the nonstop fares.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:03 am

It's not the only option. They could launch SYD-HEL on the 789 and use Finnair's network to reach several European markets and have customers fly solely on One World metal.
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:43 am

waoz1 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
Virgin Atlantic to Perth and Virgin Australia code-share from PER to SYD, BNE and MEL. Will be a winning combo against QANTAS!


As well as T1 being international you can walk into T1 domestic (virgin) and T2 regional (virgin)

Could be a win for virgin atlantic and australia


A good proportion of VA regional flights operate from T1, mostly its the FIFO charter flights that operate from T2
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:44 am

Pcoder wrote:
VS could possibly operate this with the 789, but since their 789 have 30 extra seats, they would possibly have to reconfigure / block seats on the plane to travel the distance.

I could see the possibility of them operating the a35k instead as it offers more range and payload and is probably better suited on this type of route. The only issue with that is that they might not have enough plane capacity to add a new route like this as it would eat up almost two frames.


PER-LHR requires 2.5 frames at a minimum
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:53 am

EBT wrote:
DL would not get any benefit via VA from a LHR-PER nonstop, and would likely view this route as a major risk for VS with potentially little upside. Get two nonstop players on PER-LHR and watch the yields fall for both carriers, all the while the one-stops via Asia - such as on Singapore Airlines - continue to undercut the nonstop fares.


I feel there is much market for 2x daily 789s between PER-LHR surely not? this service defiantly would depend on transferring traffic (which could end up being low yielding).

If they were todo it they would probably want todo the route as an joint venture with NZ, e.g NZ/VS both share an common J class which could help benfit capturing some of the AKL-(via PER)-LHR premium market.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:02 am

A few things. For starters, demand can’t be stiumlated, ULH takes more premium to work, but 787s and A350 are changing the game. DL et al, they should like VS to be going after the higher yielding traffic. This is exciting times no doubt.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:21 am

zkncj wrote:
EBT wrote:
DL would not get any benefit via VA from a LHR-PER nonstop, and would likely view this route as a major risk for VS with potentially little upside. Get two nonstop players on PER-LHR and watch the yields fall for both carriers, all the while the one-stops via Asia - such as on Singapore Airlines - continue to undercut the nonstop fares.


I feel there is much market for 2x daily 789s between PER-LHR surely not? this service defiantly would depend on transferring traffic (which could end up being low yielding).

If they were todo it they would probably want todo the route as an joint venture with NZ, e.g NZ/VS both share an common J class which could help benfit capturing some of the AKL-(via PER)-LHR premium market.


Its always down to the fear when QF can do Melbourne/Sydney none stop to London they will just drop Perth.
So if they can make a market especially with EY pulling out recently why not.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:29 am

airzona11 wrote:
For starters, demand can’t be stiumlated,

There's no evidence to suggest that.
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:25 am

They'd be better of restarting CPT service.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:18 am

PlymSpotter wrote:
Well this is a blast from the past, lets see if it actually progresses this time.


Indeed, I remember Perth being cited as one potential 787 destination in various media outlets when the order was first placed 11 years ago...

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... eb5a421cd1

I'm guessing nothing will happen until the 787 engine issues are sorted, but it'll be interesting to see if anything comes out of it.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:24 am

This can't be ruled out, when they cut PER, they will left with a 22:30 slot time which would give them around 22:00 arrival in Perth exactly a day later, eariler deparure times could be had if they swap with JNB which leaves at around 8. Currently, their overnight departure with VA ex Perth to Sydney leaves at 22:55, BNE 22:30 and MEL 22:35, no same red-eye to ADL though. For return leg, the slot in LHR from DXB days is 15:55, which means the departure time is an unwelcome 6:20 with no connection, but if they re-shuffle some flights, say 1st SFO arrivals mid-morning to that slot, letting PER flights to use that slot, departing just passed midnight, the aircraft would only be away for 36-40 hours, return in time for PVG, US etc, is all about juggle with limited resources. Don't know how deep is their co-operation with VA but with both the 10 pound pom and the backpackers, along with corporate traffic from VA, the route should be viable
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:36 am

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PER-LHR requires 2.5 frames at a minimum


More like 1.5 frames, it's only a 36hr trip away from base with a 2hr turn at PER -

dep LHR 2000 arr PER 2100+1
dep PER 2300 arr LHR 0830+1

These timings would also work quite well with the rest of VS's schedule.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:01 am

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This can't be ruled out, when they cut PER, they will left with a 22:30 slot time which would give them around 22:00 arrival in Perth exactly a day later, eariler deparure times could be had if they swap with JNB which leaves at around 8. Currently, their overnight departure with VA ex Perth to Sydney leaves at 22:55, BNE 22:30 and MEL 22:35, no same red-eye to ADL though. For return leg, the slot in LHR from DXB days is 15:55, which means the departure time is an unwelcome 6:20 with no connection, but if they re-shuffle some flights, say 1st SFO arrivals mid-morning to that slot, letting PER flights to use that slot, departing just passed midnight, the aircraft would only be away for 36-40 hours, return in time for PVG, US etc, is all about juggle with limited resources. Don't know how deep is their co-operation with VA but with both the 10 pound pom and the backpackers, along with corporate traffic from VA, the route should be viable


Sorry, I mean when VS drop DXB next year, they would left with a 22:30 departure slot and 15:55 slot for return
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:46 am

anstar wrote:
They'd be better of restarting CPT service.

100% agree, but in the UK winter season only, and to YVR in the summer season only. Peak travel times for both cities.
I feel VS has missed the opportunity to start LHR-PER nonstop now that QF got in first and are established on the route.
Maybe one answer is once the A350-1000's are in, VS could lease say 3 or so 789 frames to VA, re-configure them with higher premium cabins and get VA to start PER - LHR and PER - FRA.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:20 am

I'll believe this when it happens.

SRB's wishes written in piss against a wall, and what Delta and AF/KLM might actually want, are two very different things. I cannot see DL/AF/KL going for this - for one thing, it would tie up too many aircraft, and VS could make more money funnelling people across the Atlantic to DL's hubs.
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:38 am

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BA cannot re-enter JV with QF whilst QF has JSA with EK. Any attempt to do so would be rejected by AU government on competitive grounds.

Actually I disagree with your certainty on the Aust governments response. It should be possible to frame an agreement that would be acceptable. With the introduction of the non stops EK would not be a real factor to the UK, even if CDG & FRA go non stop from the east coast there is still a role for EK. Not to say that the conditions imposed would be acceptable to QF, BA & EK, but you never know.

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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:42 am

SRB says a lot of stuff but a lot of it doesn't happen.

But - I think this is feasible, maybe even a no-brainer.

If QF are selling PER-LHR at a premium, which they are, then there is demand undercutting that. Personally I think there might be more additional demand to London than to some of the other European cities being touted. What does that say for QF's strategy of using ULH to get premium fares to Europe? Surely any the main carrier in any of those cities could just start their own competing flight.

I don't agree that it doesn't help Delta as these flights feed the TATL JV if timed correctly. It could be a late afternoon departure out of LHR too which are less sought after slots.

VS have connections on both ends and these flights could complement connections through HKG for east coast Australia.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:05 am

If it does happen I can see Perth becoming an increasingly attractive winter sun destination to U.K. Holidaymakers.Obviously there is the language commonality ( and Perth is a lovely city in itself) but the areas north,south and indeed east of Perth are full on interesting and different things to do and see.Perfect for a 2 week holiday.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:15 am

Can I just reiterate that the AF-KLM deal has still not been finalised or agreed yet, and with Brexit around the corner, and ownerships rights still not agreed, this deal could well fall thru.

As for the actual route, it seems logical with VS/VA and by my calculations our 787’s, even with a higher density, wouldn’t need to take a payload hit either.

Realistically, it won’t happen, we don’t have enough spare aircraft to make it work, as has been pointed out earlier, 2.5 aircraft would be required, which at this moment we haven’t got.

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Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:39 am

I hope they actually start this route. It would be great to see some competition to QF, and the VA ties would help them. However, like many have said, I'll believe it when I see it
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:45 am

Another factor worth considering is rising oil prices and the viability of being able to operate such a long route as a result, but 787's and premium pricing *may* help.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:56 am

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Can I just reiterate that the AF-KLM deal has still not been finalised or agreed yet, and with Brexit around the corner, and ownerships rights still not agreed, this deal could well fall thru.

As for the actual route, it seems logical with VS/VA and by my calculations our 787’s, even with a higher density, wouldn’t need to take a payload hit either.

Realistically, it won’t happen, we don’t have enough spare aircraft to make it work, as has been pointed out earlier, 2.5 aircraft would be required, which at this moment we haven’t got.

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VS could save about 12 hours on a 789 by operating the extra new JNB flight as a daylight flight back instead of leaving both aircraft sitting at JNB all day.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:24 pm

Virgin are all about the hype, believe when I see it ...
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:43 pm

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Virgin are all about the hype, believe when I see it ...

Indeed. Remember when they were adamant that their first flight to Australia would be on Concorde?
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:46 pm

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And how did QF and EK get into a j/v again?
...by dropping their current partner for another one.

Isn't that much of a stretch, with QF moving away from DXB as its prime transit point, and back to SIN + now PER.


If QF were to leave the EK JV (which I think is unlikely in the short and medium term), I don't think it would be for BA, but rather for a JV with CX. The JV with EK gives them a huge number, and capacity, of one-stop options from Australia, through DXB, to Europe, the Middle East and even parts of Africa. A JV with BA would give connections to some, but not all these same destinations, with two-stops and backtracking through LHR. QF have started to build a relationship with CX which would give them a lot more one-stop destinations from Australia to Europe than a BA JV.
 
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:04 pm

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a JV with CX.


Would never get approval due to a lack of competition between Australia and HKG.
 
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This can't be ruled out, when they cut PER, they will left with a 22:30 slot time which would give them around 22:00 arrival in Perth exactly a day later, eariler deparure times could be had if they swap with JNB which leaves at around 8. Currently, their overnight departure with VA ex Perth to Sydney leaves at 22:55, BNE 22:30 and MEL 22:35, no same red-eye to ADL though. For return leg, the slot in LHR from DXB days is 15:55, which means the departure time is an unwelcome 6:20 with no connection, but if they re-shuffle some flights, say 1st SFO arrivals mid-morning to that slot, letting PER flights to use that slot, departing just passed midnight, the aircraft would only be away for 36-40 hours, return in time for PVG, US etc, is all about juggle with limited resources. Don't know how deep is their co-operation with VA but with both the 10 pound pom and the backpackers, along with corporate traffic from VA, the route should be viable


A 2200 arrival into PER will not work. Firstly the arrival at the time there is no way passengers will be able to connect to the redeyes particularly BNE and MEL which start boarding around 2200. On top of that VA does not operate redeyes to SYD, MEL and BNE on a daily basis, for example last night the only redeye was to SYD. Additionally it will not be very appealing to passengers staying awake all day prior to departure from LHR flying for 16 hours and then flying a redeye and arriving into the east coast at 5 or 6 in the morning. Ultimately for the route to go ahead and be successful it will need to offer as many connections as possible, by that I mean including ADL, the new HBA seasonal service (this would likely need to be retimed) and regional ports such as KGI, PHE, KTA, BME, ZNE. Essentially the flight will need to be timed similar to QF to offer those connections, so a lunchtime arrival or near to that as the regional services, the last departures to those are normally around 1500/1600. It would also connect to flights to the east coast offering an evening arrival into those ports. Going back to LHR again similar departure from PER to QF, one of the reasons QF pursued an early arrival into LHR is to minimise hold times. It is my understanding currently QF PER-LHR is arriving into LHR with enough fuel for about 1 hour at cruise plus reserves
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:36 pm

With the prices QF are charging in J, I think there's significant demand for VS to jump on the route. This will also strengthen VA's position, especially as they've been expanding out of PER recently. With increased feed, CBR and OOL could potentially go year-round and HBA 5-7 x weekly.

VS could also advertise PER-LHR-JFK if timed correctly.

What about an early morning arrival into PER around 8am, departing back for LHR at 10:30am?
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:39 pm

Utter pie in the sky, SRB has almost nothing to do with VS, who recently stopped serving SYD via HKG. Fundamentally a B789 could have 1.5 US legs flown by the time it flies on PER leg, Delta would, rightly, not be happy. Pure clickbait.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:03 pm

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Utter pie in the sky, SRB has almost nothing to do with VS, who recently stopped serving SYD via HKG. Fundamentally a B789 could have 1.5 US legs flown by the time it flies on PER leg, Delta would, rightly, not be happy. Pure clickbait.

Exactly.

There is also the issue of drift, VS and VA have drifted quite far from each other so where is the tight cooperation needed to make this work?

VS is virtually in Skyteam and VA looks equally like a Star carrier. There has also been some animosity in the past between VA and Virgin Group (actually the previous owners of VA) so that could linger in the management.

It's just a non-starter with Sir Beard being a little naughty. Think O'Leary and charging for Ryanair toilets. How many column inches did that generate for FR? All publicity is good publicity.....
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:36 pm

Don't see it anytime soon, but if they do would they change the cabin layout? Qantas have 42 and Virgin 31 J class going head to head, could they move the premium back back some and reduce Y ?
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:35 pm

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airzona11 wrote:
For starters, demand can’t be stiumlated,

There's no evidence to suggest that.

That was a typo, can***
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:07 pm

Great, they could use B787-9 or/and A350-1000. And undercutting economy class fares would help them fill up the Sub-human Cabin.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:40 pm

Surely SRB is waiting on the arrival of the VS A380 fleet to launch this route :stirthepot:
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:12 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Utter pie in the sky, SRB has almost nothing to do with VS, who recently stopped serving SYD via HKG. Fundamentally a B789 could have 1.5 US legs flown by the time it flies on PER leg, Delta would, rightly, not be happy. Pure clickbait.


Exactly this.

And you’d need 3 ish aircraft to run this at least. So many more return trips to the US in that time.

Unless VS really think there’s room for them on the PER-LHR niche...They’d know better than I would though!
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:35 pm

Just like Branson cancelling 1.2bn in Saudi investments last week. He just can’t say no to a microphone.
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Re: Virgin Atlantic eyes non-stop Perth

Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:48 pm

x1234 wrote:
Virgin Atlantic to Perth and Virgin Australia code-share from PER to SYD, BNE and MEL. Will be a winning combo against QANTAS!

And Virgin Atlantic + Quantas will be competition against ME3 giving a run for their money on at least the LHR - PER - SYD/MEL/ADL/BNE route. Depends on if there is enough premium traffic to sustain both players, make money AND compete against ME3 given that ME3 still have an edge over the other 2 offering more one stop city pairs on EDI/BHX/GLA/MAN/NCL - DXB/DOH/AUH - BNE/SYD/PER/MEL/ADL.

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