tphuang wrote:stlgph wrote:What's being forgotten about in the BOS/LHR/Europe on JetBlue discussion is the fact they're being boxed into very narrow windows for Terminal E in Boston, thanks in part, to recent actions by Delta and their partners.
Korean Air - taking up at 1030 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. window.
KLM - taking up a 6:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. window.
Delta's new Edinburgh and Lisbon additions? Taking up 1:00 p.m. windows.
The goal for the opening of a second major Terminal E expansion is still what ... 2 1/2 years away?
They get more than just E1 actually. They also use E3 and E4 for departures during winter season. They also operate quite a few international flights out of BOS that would require E gate access on arrival, especially during winter season. And they've had no issues adding more international flights as we've seen in their recent announcement. They will probably start off with at most 2 flights to London and 1 flight to Dublin, E1 and E3 should be sufficient for that. All those money loosing flights out of ORH aren't done out of charity. The bigger issue is getting slots at London airports.jumbojet wrote:please enlighten me with facts on hpw Delta is losing money by the tonne in Boston. Remember, Q3 earnings, DL 1.6 BILLION, B6 90 million. Overall, and thats what matters here, DL makes a mockery of B6 financially.
As far as gates go at JFK, again, show me where it says B6 will wind up with more gates at JFK than DL. And, even if they do, good for them. Doesnt really mean a thing. Especially when every gate, if occupied by a B6 pplane will be nothing bigger than an A321
Yes, DL is a very profitable company. It makes a lot of money in its fortress hubs which allow it to engage in market share battles at NYC/SEA/BOS/LAX.
I've posted the BOS numbers on the JetBlue thread. It should be pretty obvious that DL is making money on limited routes out of BOS (I'm guessing DTW/RDU/IND/CVG/CMH is it). I don't know why this is such a surprise. They lost a lot of money building up JFK and still loose money on a lot of routes there. Same with SEA. There is no magic formula here. Building up new station costs money. B6 is seeing a lot of leisure markets (Florida + Carribbean) out of BOS with depressed yield since DL entrance. Keep in mind that B6 is still getting higher yield than DL to these market despite operating much lower cost and higher capacity aircraft.
I don't know what DL's loss tolerance is for routes it adds during build up phase, but the numbers to SFO/PIT/BUF are just really terrible. It's not a surprise to me that there is no more D1 on SFO. I don't see how that route last another year. Their new approach is to go with high density B757 with a single daily frequency (with no sunday flights) in winter time against 5 or 6 flights a day each from UA/B6 both with much better products. And the numbers for LAX and SEA are only mildly better.
Again, *read* what I write.
Again, let me repeat myself.
You are missing the point.
Yes, Terminal E has added flights recently - but by whom - Delta and its partners.
Never JetBlue was 100% locked out - I just made mention of the fact, which is true, that right now, the remaining prime time slots at TE in Boston are being gobbled up. KLM swooped up evening primetime, Korean is taking a prime day time day time block, and Delta came in and took two 1pm-ish windows with arrivals coming in from Lisbon and Edinburgh.
Hawaiian just got creative and took a morning spot.
Again, *WHAT* does this mean? Right now, your precious JB is getting *severely* limited and boxed in on being able to operate preferential arrival and departure times if they were to launch any type of European venture, outside of a pre-clearance city such as Dublin or Shannon, unless they want to sit out by a hangar and bring everyone in by bus, which I really, really doubt they have any interest in doing, as they'd rather make a nice impression for such a service.
This is all fact. But please keep coming up with whatever you need to tell yourself in order to survive.