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Re: Unconfirmed: Next SQ non-stop trans-Pacific destination...SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:26 am

For everyone who doubted it. Just like how they doubted CX coming to Seattle.

https://www.portseattle.org/news/singap ... ac-airport

SQ28 SIN-SEA 9:25am-9:05am
SQ27 SEA-SIN 10:40am-5:30pm+1
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Next SQ non-stop trans-Pacific destination...SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:57 am

Wonderful news! SQ will soon become one of the leaders of the transpacific market
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Re: Unconfirmed: Next SQ non-stop trans-Pacific destination...SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:22 am

Will they use an A350 ULR or the normal A350. Big threat for Emirates. I hope Qatar Airways launches the DOH-SEA soon.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Next SQ non-stop trans-Pacific destination...SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:40 am

Sayan777 wrote:
Will they use an A350 ULR or the normal A350. Big threat for Emirates. I hope Qatar Airways launches the DOH-SEA soon.


According to TPG, SIN-SEA will be on the "normal" 359.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Next SQ non-stop trans-Pacific destination...SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:45 am

I'm sure those at YVR won't be too happy with this... :duck:
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Next SQ non-stop trans-Pacific destination...SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:42 am

Good for SQ and good for Seattle. And also, where are all the people who said, "The only thing that keeps Delta from opening more international routes out of SEA is the congested international arrivals facility. Once the new IAF opens, Delta will finally be able to open up a bunch of new routes."? Seems other airlines are just fine opening new routes with SEA just as it is now.
 
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Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:03 am

https://www.portseattle.org/news/singap ... ac-airport

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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:05 am

So, a bit off topic, why not Canada? Was there bilateral limits?
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:31 am

Unless I'm missing something, that's a hella tight turn at Seattle.
Be a lot of fun to watch the crews flip the plane in that timespan.
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:37 am

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Unless I'm missing something, that's a hella tight turn at Seattle.
Be a lot of fun to watch the crews flip the plane in that timespan.

That is the departure from Singapore and the departure from Seattle. They haven’t said when the flights arrive.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:43 am

Uh.......

except for the part where...

Route Flight No. Departure Arrival
SIN to SEA SQ28 9:25 a.m. 9:05 a.m. (same day)
SEA to SIN SQ27 10:40 a.m. 5:30 p.m. (+1)

https://www.portseattle.org/news/singap ... ac-airport
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:58 am

stlgph wrote:
Uh.......

except for the part where...

Route Flight No. Departure Arrival
SIN to SEA SQ28 9:25 a.m. 9:05 a.m. (same day)
SEA to SIN SQ27 10:40 a.m. 5:30 p.m. (+1)

https://www.portseattle.org/news/singap ... ac-airport


95mins is hardly a tight turn... should be more than doable.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:59 am

Turnaround is tight (95 minutes) but doable. Only 161 seats to dress if they’re sending the ULR (253 on a normal A350), and fuelling would be thirty minutes tops. Longer flight time doesn’t mean longer turnaround, no extra mx required after a 15h flight as opposed to a 6h flight.
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:07 am

A350 doing wonders for them.
Old competitors 772er V 343
New competitors A359 V 789

Im sure that's debatable
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:07 am

cedarjet wrote:
Only 161 seats to dress if they’re sending the ULR (253 on a normal A350),

Clearly says they're sending the standard version...



cc2314 wrote:
New competitors A359 V 789
Im sure that's debatable

Indeed, as unlike the A343/77E, the 789/A359 tend to compliment each other more than compete; which is why so many airlines/groups have ordered both.
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:17 am

Qantas16 wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Uh.......

except for the part where...

Route Flight No. Departure Arrival
SIN to SEA SQ28 9:25 a.m. 9:05 a.m. (same day)
SEA to SIN SQ27 10:40 a.m. 5:30 p.m. (+1)

https://www.portseattle.org/news/singap ... ac-airport


95mins is hardly a tight turn... should be more than doable.


Just sayin...since a couple of airlines struggle with under 90 minutes at T1 at JFK.
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:45 am

Here's the link for SQ's announcement:

https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/sg/m ... 718-181101
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:10 am

cedarjet wrote:
Turnaround is tight (95 minutes) but doable. Only 161 seats to dress if they’re sending the ULR (253 on a normal A350), and fuelling would be thirty minutes tops. Longer flight time doesn’t mean longer turnaround, no extra mx required after a 15h flight as opposed to a 6h flight.

I really don't get all the comments about 95 minutes being a tight turn. SQ, QF, BA among others have routinely turned B747s in 100 minutes for decades all over the world. Why would an A350 take longer in SEA?

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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:25 am

Another thing to consider regarding turn times is that ULH flights a) routinely arrive early due to padded block times, and b) can more easily make up time on the way back due to longer stage lengths, i.e. an hour's delay on departure is much less likely to cause a delay on arrival than on shorter flights.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Next SQ non-stop trans-Pacific destination...SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:47 am

For the people who only believes official news sources:

http://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/sg/me ... 718-181101

I wonder if this means SQ has the capacity to still launch another non-stop destination since it is only using the normal range A350s?
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:55 am

cedarjet wrote:
Turnaround is tight (95 minutes) but doable. Only 161 seats to dress if they’re sending the ULR (253 on a normal A350), and fuelling would be thirty minutes tops. Longer flight time doesn’t mean longer turnaround, no extra mx required after a 15h flight as opposed to a 6h flight.


Back in the late 90s thru mid 2000s, I routinely did 60 minute turns on 777s at ORD at T1, concourse C. Granted they were domestic turns going to IAD or SFO.
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:29 am

c933103 wrote:
So, a bit off topic, why not Canada? Was there bilateral limits?


No limits on non stop service whatsoever.

There are 5th freedom restrictions however.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/c ... 31361.html

The agreement is a modern framework for air services that permits any
number of air carriers from either country to operate non-stop passenger and
all-cargo scheduled air services as frequently as desired, between any city in
Canada and Singapore.
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:29 am

I wouldn't plan on arriving early, but I think at Seattle it's easier to hold your schedule than JFK where everything seems delayed. 95 minutes should be ok, but there would be little room for error. I'm not really much more than an aviation enthusiast but I'm surprised it only takes 30 minutes to fuel for a 15 hour flight. On nearly all of my CX flights leaving HKG or anywhere for that matter they always make the announcement that the aircraft is being refueled during boarding so keep your seatbelt unfastened.

Well done to SEA adding SQ and CX in 2019!
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:33 am

Congrats to SEA! The new partnership bewteen SQ & AS is no doubt the catalyst here. Wonder if DL will respond?
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:39 am

Pretty amazed at the growth of international service in Seattle. If only the IAF wasn't 11 months behind schedule, SQ's service start would have coincided with its opening.
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:40 am

Gemuser wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Turnaround is tight (95 minutes) but doable. Only 161 seats to dress if they’re sending the ULR (253 on a normal A350), and fuelling would be thirty minutes tops. Longer flight time doesn’t mean longer turnaround, no extra mx required after a 15h flight as opposed to a 6h flight.

I really don't get all the comments about 95 minutes being a tight turn. SQ, QF, BA among others have routinely turned B747s in 100 minutes for decades all over the world. Why would an A350 take longer in SEA?

Gemuser


A previous carrier I worked for we turned a long haul 77W in 80 mins, and they had a lot of cabin prep!! Was busy but achievable. At my current carrier min ground time for short haul 77W is 75mins, for long haul 90mins. 95 for a 350 is a piece of cake!

Interesting route for SQ! Is SIN slot constrained at all? I can see the 350s opening up a lot of interesting routes for them.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:48 am

Flight is timed just right for SQ’s India connection back like I thought it would be. Hopefully, SQ will make this daily eventually.

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Congrats to SEA! The new partnership bewteen SQ & AS is no doubt the catalyst here. Wonder if DL will respond?
i just do not see how AS is the catalyst for SQ. On the outbound flight what connections could AS provide that early in the morning.

DL cannot respond. They dropped HKG which is a bigger market from SEA.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:54 am

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i just do not see how AS is the catalyst for SQ. On the outbound flight what connections could AS provide that early in the morning.


A lot... Far more than they can offer CX which will arrive at 9PM...
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:56 am

BA wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
i just do not see how AS is the catalyst for SQ. On the outbound flight what connections could AS provide that early in the morning.


A lot... Far more than they can offer CX which will arrive at 9PM...
sorry I guess I meant the Inbound flight, so SEA-SIN will be hard for connections by AS.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:02 pm

Fantastic news...this flight will be packed I'm sure. And 95 minutes is plenty of time for a turn...unless they hold passengers on board due to overcrowding in the SEA FIS.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:08 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
BA wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
i just do not see how AS is the catalyst for SQ. On the outbound flight what connections could AS provide that early in the morning.


A lot... Far more than they can offer CX which will arrive at 9PM...
sorry I guess I meant the Inbound flight, so SEA-SIN will be hard for connections by AS.


Not really. I checked today's schedule and all major airports in California, Phoenix, and Nevada make the connection comfortably. These include SAN, LAX, ONT, PHX, LAS, SLC, FAT, SMF, and even DEN. And they just get easier and more comfortable the closer you get to Seattle geographically.

BUR and SNA would be a bit tight at around +/- 60 minutes. The airports I noticed that don't make the connection are TUS and PSP but it's not too much of a drive to PHX or ONT, respectively, if necessary.
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:09 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
Fantastic news...this flight will be packed I'm sure. And 95 minutes is plenty of time for a turn...unless they hold passengers on board due to overcrowding in the SEA FIS.
There is not much, if any at all, activity in FIS when the SQ flight arrives.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:02 pm

A 1040am departure may be needed due to gate availability. Peak arrivals at SEA are 11am-2pm.

These flight also connec to all the Indian departures unlike CXs new schedule for SEA.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:11 pm

Totally surprised, although the SQ-AS relationship that just started not long ago is probably a hint. The introduction of A350 and 787 is truly opening new opportunities for SEA.

Newbiepilot wrote:
A 1040am departure may be needed due to gate availability. Peak arrivals at SEA are 11am-2pm.

These flight also connec to all the Indian departures unlike CXs new schedule for SEA.


CX's schedule seems to be more tailored for SEA-HKG-SE Asia/China connections.

I don't see any possibilities of connecting to an AS flight on the same night if you are in bound from HKG on a CX flight. A passenger will not be able to get thru immigration, pick up the luggage and pass customs until 10pm the earliest, and then he/she needs to check in again. I did a connection at BOS once on a CX in bound, but the connection is on early morning the next day.
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:15 pm

Congrats to SEA, and amazing how much non-stop capacity there is on SIN-North America. There is probably enough traffic for 4x week, if there are onward connections to India and SE Asia on the SIN side.

I assume this really puts pressure on DL though--I don't give that NRT-SIN leg that much longer to live.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:52 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
BA wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
i just do not see how AS is the catalyst for SQ. On the outbound flight what connections could AS provide that early in the morning.


A lot... Far more than they can offer CX which will arrive at 9PM...
sorry I guess I meant the Inbound flight, so SEA-SIN will be hard for connections by AS.


Huh? SEA-SIN on SQ27 departs at 10:40am. How is that going to be hard to funnel connections with a late morning departure like that? AS has flights as far away as ORD that arrive as early as 8:50am (AS 27). Furthermore, there's almost a year between now and the start date. AS could easily tweak schedules to optimize for connections. Do you still not see how AS is the catalyst for SQ?
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:04 pm

International travel is booming at SEA.
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:16 pm

Gemuser wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Turnaround is tight (95 minutes) but doable. Only 161 seats to dress if they’re sending the ULR (253 on a normal A350), and fuelling would be thirty minutes tops. Longer flight time doesn’t mean longer turnaround, no extra mx required after a 15h flight as opposed to a 6h flight.

I really don't get all the comments about 95 minutes being a tight turn. SQ, QF, BA among others have routinely turned B747s in 100 minutes for decades all over the world. Why would an A350 take longer in SEA?

Gemuser


Fuel!! Planes only take on so much fuel so fast. 747's can be fueled from both wings at the same time "if needed". SEA-SIN is roughly 17-18 hours of fuel going on when including reserve and alternate fuel. Those fuelers better be ready to go the minute it blocks in. At my previous company on a 95 min 777 turn going SFO-Europe the fueler was almost always the last off, Asia was very tight due to the high loads and fueler was always the last off, unless a bag pull was in progress.
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:16 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
BA wrote:

A lot... Far more than they can offer CX which will arrive at 9PM...
sorry I guess I meant the Inbound flight, so SEA-SIN will be hard for connections by AS.


Huh? SEA-SIN on SQ27 departs at 10:40am. How is that going to be hard to funnel connections with a late morning departure like that? AS has flights as far away as ORD that arrive as early as 8:50am (AS 27). Furthermore, there's almost a year between now and the start date. AS could easily tweak schedules to optimize for connections. Do you still not see how AS is the catalyst for SQ?
That whole statement that AS is the catalyst seems incredibly naive. Do you really think the boys in Singapore sit around and discuss how AS is going to make their airline or even this single route better? They do not. This is not some JV partnership trying to fill multiple flights a day. It is a single 4 times weekly flight.

SQ does not rely on connections from partners in the US at any of their stations to make their flights work. It is all based off O&D or XXX-SIN-USA/USA-SIN-XXX traffic.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:21 pm

Great flight timings. Connects well with Indian flights out and into Singapore. The CX flight out of SEA had long layover at HKG for flights to India.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Next SQ non-stop trans-Pacific destination...SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:23 pm

FA9295 wrote:
I'm sure those at YVR won't be too happy with this... :duck:


Heh, I don't think anyone actually thought YVR would be their next route. 'Small city that's already massively overserved and that we unsuccessfully served before and is not growingly nearly as quickly as this neighbouring city' does not sound great.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Next SQ non-stop trans-Pacific destination...SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:34 pm

EChid wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
I'm sure those at YVR won't be too happy with this... :duck:


Heh, I don't think anyone actually thought YVR would be their next route. 'Small city that's already massively overserved and that we unsuccessfully served before and is not growingly nearly as quickly as this neighbouring city' does not sound great.

Ah, I actually didn't know that SQ previously flew to YVR. Would make sense for them to try SEA now instead...
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:41 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
sorry I guess I meant the Inbound flight, so SEA-SIN will be hard for connections by AS.


Huh? SEA-SIN on SQ27 departs at 10:40am. How is that going to be hard to funnel connections with a late morning departure like that? AS has flights as far away as ORD that arrive as early as 8:50am (AS 27). Furthermore, there's almost a year between now and the start date. AS could easily tweak schedules to optimize for connections. Do you still not see how AS is the catalyst for SQ?
That whole statement that AS is the catalyst seems incredibly naive. Do you really think the boys in Singapore sit around and discuss how AS is going to make their airline or even this single route better? They do not. This is not some JV partnership trying to fill multiple flights a day. It is a single 4 times weekly flight.

SQ does not rely on connections from partners in the US at any of their stations to make their flights work. It is all based off O&D or XXX-SIN-USA/USA-SIN-XXX traffic.


You're really just clueless. The fact you even say "Do you really think the boys in Singapore sit around" just shows the lack of awareness you have. SQ has many females that work there, but you clearly are living on another planet.

SQ would not have started this route without the AS partnership. SEA doesn't have the O&D alone to support it.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:55 pm

as739x wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Turnaround is tight (95 minutes) but doable. Only 161 seats to dress if they’re sending the ULR (253 on a normal A350), and fuelling would be thirty minutes tops. Longer flight time doesn’t mean longer turnaround, no extra mx required after a 15h flight as opposed to a 6h flight.

I really don't get all the comments about 95 minutes being a tight turn. SQ, QF, BA among others have routinely turned B747s in 100 minutes for decades all over the world. Why would an A350 take longer in SEA?

Gemuser


Fuel!! Planes only take on so much fuel so fast. 747's can be fueled from both wings at the same time "if needed". SEA-SIN is roughly 17-18 hours of fuel going on when including reserve and alternate fuel. Those fuelers better be ready to go the minute it blocks in. At my previous company on a 95 min 777 turn going SFO-Europe the fueler was almost always the last off, Asia was very tight due to the high loads and fueler was always the last off, unless a bag pull was in progress.


Let see, CX830/831 HKG-JFK-HKG is a 100mins turnaround at JFK. HKG-JFK is more or less the same flight stage length as SIN-SEA.

Granted, CX turnaround time for their long-hauls to/from East Coast US is usually around 4 hours (The only other shorter turnaround would be CX806/807 HKG-ORD-HKG, which is also a 100mins turn), but doesn't mean it's impossible. Those CX flights are on a larger 77W's also, which seats 275 pax (294 eventually once CX put 3-4-3 on all their 77W's. Unless there's such a large difference between 77W and 359 in terms of fueling time, I just don't see how it's an issue.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:06 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
You're really just clueless. The fact you even say "Do you really think the boys in Singapore sit around" just shows the lack of awareness you have. SQ has many females that work there, but you clearly are living on another planet.

SQ would not have started this route without the AS partnership. SEA doesn't have the O&D alone to support it.
Sigh... #1 "boys" is just expression. Obviously, a group of 10-year-old males are not making the decisions at SQ. Besides, you will not see a lot of Mrs listed here https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/us/a ... rate-data/.

#2, It is just like EK does not need AS to make DXB-SEA work. That is not the game EK is playing nor is it the game SQ is playing. They are taking people on their own metal to other places they fly on their own metal. However, if you want to continue that absurd stance that AS is somehow the driving force then so be it.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Next SQ non-stop trans-Pacific destination...SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:07 pm

FA9295 wrote:
EChid wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
I'm sure those at YVR won't be too happy with this... :duck:


Heh, I don't think anyone actually thought YVR would be their next route. 'Small city that's already massively overserved and that we unsuccessfully served before and is not growingly nearly as quickly as this neighbouring city' does not sound great.

Ah, I actually didn't know that SQ previously flew to YVR. Would make sense for them to try SEA now instead...


To be fair, they flew one-stop not direct to YVR. And they actually tried to expand to more days of the week but were refused by Canada. They now have the ability to fly non-stop, for which there are no restrictions, but there are clearly more profitable cities to fly to.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:11 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
That whole statement that AS is the catalyst seems incredibly naive. Do you really think the boys in Singapore sit around and discuss how AS is going to make their airline or even this single route better? They do not. This is not some JV partnership trying to fill multiple flights a day. It is a single 4 times weekly flight.

SQ does not rely on connections from partners in the US at any of their stations to make their flights work. It is all based off O&D or XXX-SIN-USA/USA-SIN-XXX traffic.


Of course they think about those things. You don't have a clue as to how airlines work to feed each other when they have code-share agreements, joint ventures, etc.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:15 pm

They should get feed for this flight. Sounds like a good Add.
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:22 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
SQ would not have started this route without the AS partnership. SEA doesn't have the O&D alone to support it.

I don't believe that for even a second. Any AS connection on the SEA side will be gravy but they're sure as hell not the main reason for the route.
First and foremost, the A350 which is a heck of a lot more economic than anything else in SQ's fleet until now.
Second, higher yield O&D.
Third, conx beyond SIN on its own metal.
Low yield conx from AS would be a distant 4th in this list.
Ask yourself, which relevant market does AS serve from SEA that is not already served by UA from SFO or LAX?
 
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Re: Official: Singapore Announces SIN-SEA

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:51 pm

Just wonder why they don't consider opening YVR

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