A lot of the A320’s on the refresh list are parked/stored. I found this on planespotters.net.

A new updated list
Phase 1; 20/20 100% Complete
646JB-Complete-Bravo Lima Uniform Echo
568JB-Complete-Blue Sapphire
570JB-Complete-Devil With A Blue Dress On
556JB-Complete-Betty Blue
571JB-Complete-Blue Monday
621JB-Complete-Do Be Do Be Blue
579JB-Complete-Can’t Stop Lovin’ Blue
580JB-Complete-Mo’ Better Blue
627JB-Complete-A Friend Like Blue
529JB-Complete-Ole Blue Eyes
632JB-Complete-Bear Force One (Boston Bruins)
629JB-Complete-Bright Light, Blue City
653JB-Complete-Breath of Fresh Blue
510JB-Complete-Out Of The Blue
595JB-Complete-Lucky Blue (Boston Celtics)
558JB-Complete-Song Sung Blue
641JB-Complete-Blue Come Back Now Ya Hear?
634JB-Complete-B*L*U*E
534JB-Complete-Bada Bing, Bada Blue
598JB-Complete-Bluemanity

Phase 2; 46/110 41% Complete
729JB-Complete-If You Can Read This, You’re Blue Close
763JB-Complete-What’s Old is Blue Again (Retrojet)
591JB-Complete-Tail Of Blue Cities
766JB-Complete-Etay Luebay
594JB-Complete-Whole Lotta Blue
760JB-Complete-The Blues Were Made For Flying
552JB-Complete-Blue Jay
605JB-Complete-Boston Red Sox
644JB-Complete-Blue Loves Ya Baby
527JL-Complete-Blue Bayou
564JB-Complete-Absolute Blue
768JB-Complete-Blue Crew
643JB-Complete-Blue Jersey
586JB-Complete-I <3 Blue York
607JB-Complete-Beantown Blue
561JB-Complete-La Vie En Blue
775JB-Complete-Vets in Blue
563JB-Complete-Blue Chip
606JB-Complete-Idlewild Blue
779JB-Complete-Bluericua
665JB-Complete-Something About Blue
583JB-Complete-Bluesville
585JB-Complete-I Got Blue Babe
636JB-Complete-All Wrapped Up In Blue
796JB-Complete-100% Blue
651JB-Complete-I’m Having A Blue Moment
649JB-Complete-Fancy Meeting Blue Here
827JB-Complete-It Takes Blue to Tango (Youngest 320 & WL)
705JB-Complete-Big Blue People Seater
612JB-Complete-Blue Look Maahvelous
652JB-Complete-Out With Old In With The Blue
531JL-Complete-Blue Finest (NYPD paint)
565JB-Complete-Bippity Boppity Blue
547JB-Complete-Forever Blue
608JB-Complete-...And Along Came Blue
615JB-Complete-Blue Bravest (NYFD paint)
805JB-Complete-You Had Me At Blue (WL)
569JB-Complete-Blues Brothers
648JB-Complete-Hasta La Vista (JB Vacations paint)
554JB-Complete-Sacre’ Bleu!
507JT-Complete-Blue Crew (Oldest 320 so far)
508JL-Complete-May The Force Be With Blue
587JB-Complete-Blue Kid In Town
618JB-Complete-Can’t Get Enough Of Blue
526JL-Complete-Blues Just Want To Have Fun
655JB-Complete-Blue 100
623JB-In Progress ferried MCO-SAL 02/29
708JB-In Progress ferried MCO-SAL 03/16
613JB-In Progress ferried MCO-SAL 03/20
Total Complete: 66/130 50%

Tails on the list for modification
537JB
588JB
589JB
590JB
592JB
625JB
706JB-WL
709JB-WL (Binary code paint)
715JB-WL
784JB
807JB-WL
828JB-WL

Due to the COVID situation I believe the retrofit program has been paused, if not significantly reduced.

I wonder if they will just go ahead and retire some of the older birds that have not been modified or park them more permanently until there is demand.

tphuang wrote:

I wonder if they will just go ahead and retire some of the older birds that have not been modified or park them more permanently until there is demand.

I suppose it’s possible. I don’t if Jetblue had any planes for aircraft retirement coming up since they couldn’t seem to get planes fast enough. I was going to try and make a list for the B6 network thread of active vs. stored aircraft. But so much is changing weekly I think it would be hard to get a accurate list.

What’s with 589?

623 had returned back to BOS this evening

JBcapecott wrote:

What’s with 589?

589 is currently parked in JFK

A new updated list
Phase 1; 20/20 100% Complete
646JB-Complete-Bravo Lima Uniform Echo
568JB-Complete-Blue Sapphire
570JB-Complete-Devil With A Blue Dress On
556JB-Complete-Betty Blue
571JB-Complete-Blue Monday
621JB-Complete-Do Be Do Be Blue
579JB-Complete-Can’t Stop Lovin’ Blue
580JB-Complete-Mo’ Better Blue
627JB-Complete-A Friend Like Blue
529JB-Complete-Ole Blue Eyes
632JB-Complete-Bear Force One (Boston Bruins)
629JB-Complete-Bright Light, Blue City
653JB-Complete-Breath of Fresh Blue
510JB-Complete-Out Of The Blue
595JB-Complete-Lucky Blue (Boston Celtics)
558JB-Complete-Song Sung Blue
641JB-Complete-Blue Come Back Now Ya Hear?
634JB-Complete-B*L*U*E
534JB-Complete-Bada Bing, Bada Blue
598JB-Complete-Bluemanity

Phase 2; 48/110 43% Complete
729JB-Complete-If You Can Read This, You’re Blue Close
763JB-Complete-What’s Old is Blue Again (Retrojet)
591JB-Complete-Tail Of Blue Cities
766JB-Complete-Etay Luebay
594JB-Complete-Whole Lotta Blue
760JB-Complete-The Blues Were Made For Flying
552JB-Complete-Blue Jay
605JB-Complete-Boston Red Sox
644JB-Complete-Blue Loves Ya Baby
527JL-Complete-Blue Bayou
564JB-Complete-Absolute Blue
768JB-Complete-Blue Crew
643JB-Complete-Blue Jersey
586JB-Complete-I <3 Blue York
607JB-Complete-Beantown Blue
561JB-Complete-La Vie En Blue
775JB-Complete-Vets in Blue
563JB-Complete-Blue Chip
606JB-Complete-Idlewild Blue
779JB-Complete-Bluericua
665JB-Complete-Something About Blue
583JB-Complete-Bluesville
585JB-Complete-I Got Blue Babe
636JB-Complete-All Wrapped Up In Blue
796JB-Complete-100% Blue
651JB-Complete-I’m Having A Blue Moment
649JB-Complete-Fancy Meeting Blue Here
827JB-Complete-It Takes Blue to Tango (Youngest 320 & WL)
705JB-Complete-Big Blue People Seater
612JB-Complete-Blue Look Maahvelous
652JB-Complete-Out With Old In With The Blue
531JL-Complete-Blue Finest (NYPD paint)
565JB-Complete-Bippity Boppity Blue
547JB-Complete-Forever Blue
608JB-Complete-...And Along Came Blue
615JB-Complete-Blue Bravest (NYFD paint)
805JB-Complete-You Had Me At Blue (WL)
569JB-Complete-Blues Brothers
648JB-Complete-Hasta La Vista (JB Vacations paint)
554JB-Complete-Sacre’ Bleu!
507JT-Complete-Blue Crew (Oldest 320 so far)
508JL-Complete-May The Force Be With Blue
587JB-Complete-Blue Kid In Town
618JB-Complete-Can’t Get Enough Of Blue
526JL-Complete-Blues Just Want To Have Fun
655JB-Complete-Blue 100
623JB-Complete-Playa-Way With Me (Vacations Special 1of2)
708JB-Complete-All That And A Bag Of Blue Chips (WL)
Total Complete: 68/130 52%

Tails on the list for modification
537JB
588JB
589JB
590JB
592JB
625JB
706JB-WL
709JB-WL (Binary code paint)
715JB-WL
784JB
807JB-WL
828JB-WL

So I guess no new A320s going to get modified for a while? They really are cutting all capex.

tphuang wrote:

So I guess no new A320s going to get modified for a while? They really are cutting all capex.

I honestly didn’t take the time to check to see if any new planes went in for it this time, because if you look at the last update before this most recent ones. Tails after 708 have been taken off the list because they were not updated with the new interior after returning to service.

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, but JetBlue officially said today that the cabin restyling program is "paused" after completing over half the fleet.

I saw a media report that B6 is gonna start refurbishing their A320’s again. So, will the same birds that were on the list will go back on the list and will 613 and 589 go back to SAL?

I’m glad that the MODS are starting again!

JBcapecott wrote:

I saw a media report that B6 is gonna start refurbishing their A320’s again. So, will the same birds that were on the list will go back on the list and will 613 and 589 go back to SAL?

I’m glad that the MODS are starting again!

Any link to it?

https://www.aviationtoday.com/2020/05/2 ... Q_2STbiXgM

Is this the article in question? It doesn’t really say or give a specific date as to when the mods will restart just that, they will continue even during the COVID era.

atlflyer wrote:

JBcapecott wrote:

I saw a media report that B6 is gonna start refurbishing their A320’s again. So, will the same birds that were on the list will go back on the list and will 613 and 589 go back to SAL?

I’m glad that the MODS are starting again!

Any link to it?

It’s from robin hayes interview with Washington post. He wasn’t saying it will necessarily start now but when demand picks up and he expects them to all be refreshed in 2 years. So my guess is that this program starts up again late this year or early next, depending on how much traffic recovers.

https://simpleflying.com/jet-blue-airbus-a220-delivery/

In this article, it says: "The other older aircraft are the airline’s A320-200s, some of which are around 20 years of age. The oldest of these will begin to leave as the airline’s A321s arrive." So, I don't think it would make sense to update the older A320's with Ph 2 and then retire them. Is that the case?

Thanks.

Anyone knows what's happening with the ex-monarch A321s? I still see them as leased to JetBlue and stored. The last one just arrived in June. Are they planning to take these A321s now?

It looks like some B6 A320s came in and out of SAL today. Is the refurbishment program back in session, or is it for something else?
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N625JB
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU ... /KMCO/MSLP

Iggy500 wrote:

It looks like some B6 A320s came in and out of SAL today. Is the refurbishment program back in session, or is it for something else?
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N625JB
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU ... /KMCO/MSLP

No, there are no interior refurbishments being accomplished at this time. It is possible, based on the current heavy maintenance and modification schedule, that we might re-start the mod end of August or early September.

I saw 605JB (Red Sox livery) escape Marana last night to FLL...that was nice to see from this born/raised Massachusetts boy!

Flying on N657JB tomorrow, is it modified?

Nicknuzzii wrote:

Flying on N657JB tomorrow, is it modified?

Negative

JoseSalazar wrote:

Nicknuzzii wrote:

Flying on N657JB tomorrow, is it modified?

Negative

Thanks. Same story for N659JB?

Nicknuzzii wrote:

JoseSalazar wrote:

Nicknuzzii wrote:

Flying on N657JB tomorrow, is it modified?

Negative

Thanks. Same story for N659JB?

Same. It is not modified.

Nicknuzzii wrote:

JoseSalazar wrote:

Nicknuzzii wrote:

Flying on N657JB tomorrow, is it modified?

Negative

Thanks. Same story for N659JB?

Correct, not yet refurbed

So based on the latest schedule, it looks like the Interior Refresh will re-start in late August with N789JB, arriving at SAL on 8/31. Of course that is subject to change based on the ever-changing landscape of the industry.

Just thought I would share, hope everyone is staying safe during these crazy times!

B6JFKH81 wrote:

So based on the latest schedule, it looks like the Interior Refresh will re-start in late August with N789JB, arriving at SAL on 8/31. Of course that is subject to change based on the ever-changing landscape of the industry.

Just thought I would share, hope everyone is staying safe during these crazy times!

Some great info, thanks for sharing it!!! Let’s hope that it restarts around this time.

Thanks, that's great info. Another proof that JetBlue is really just not worried about their cash situation right now.

fyi, if you are looking to see which A320 is refurbished, you can just check planespotter and which ones show Y162 https://www.planespotters.net/airline/JetBlue-Airways

tphuang wrote:

Thanks, that's great info. Another proof that JetBlue is really just not worried about their cash situation right now.

Well, yes and no on the cash burn...they are heavily monitoring and worried about it (as all airlines should be). At the peak, B6 was running 6 parallel lines of this modification. Once this line starts on 8/31 (IF it starts), you are looking at 1, maybe 2 for a short time, lines going through the end of the year. It's an issue of manpower costs to perform the modification. The installation kits are in stock in SAL and paid for so that's not really an issue. Based on what I am seeing on this schedule, however, the aircraft on the docket for mod through the end of the year are all going in for official heavy checks (not bridge checks or mid-phase checks) which require the entire interior to be removed anyway so there is justification to install the new interior since the old one is already out. There are still structural, electrical and plumbing modifications that need to be performed which increases the amount of manhours and therefore costs, but if you already took out the current interior as part of the check, you already have the access to perform those modifications which would cost additional manhours on a shorter non-heavy check. It's a very calculated and delicate balance when being reviewed for financial justification. Saying that JetBlue is not worried about their cash situation is definitely not accurate though, they are watching and questioning every dollar spent, they're not "making it rain" by any means LOL.

Tail 789 flew into SAL yesterday, can it be confirmed that it’s there for the refurbish or is it there for standard maintenance? It left late from MCO for SAL and the delay was saying it was waiting approval from MZJ for departure.

FARmd90 wrote:

B6JFKH81 wrote:

So based on the latest schedule, it looks like the Interior Refresh will re-start in late August with N789JB, arriving at SAL on 8/31. Of course that is subject to change based on the ever-changing landscape of the industry.

Just thought I would share, hope everyone is staying safe during these crazy times!

Some great info, thanks for sharing it!!! Let’s hope that it restarts around this time.

Great news. These are crazy times. Just keeping up on maintenance (instead of parking aircraft or the engines) is a step forward. To see interior refresh is a huge leap of faith!

Sorta on topic, how many leased A320s is JetBlue returning instead of refurbishing? Does anyone have any information?

Lightsaber

FARmd90 wrote:

Tail 789 flew into SAL yesterday, can it be confirmed that it’s there for the refurbish or is it there for standard maintenance? It left late from MCO for SAL and the delay was saying it was waiting approval from MZJ for departure.

Yes, I believe that plane was the one going in for new interior and a heavy check, I know it was a 700 series tail#. I do not have the schedule in front of me at the moment, I will be back at work on Tuesday and can check oh, but I am 99% sure it was this aircraft that restarts the modification line.

Now that the line has re-started with N789JB, I thought I would provide the current list in order for y'all since nearly 70 have been accomplished and it was getting hard to keep track through the thread of 13 pages LOL:

N507JT
N508JL
N510JB
N526JL
N527JL
N529JB
N531JL
N534JB
N547JB
N552JB
N554JB
N556JB
N558JB
N561JB
N563JB
N564JB
N565JB
N568JB
N569JB
N570JB
N571JB
N579JB
N580JB
N583JB
N585JB
N586JB
N587JB
N591JB
N594JB
N595JB
N598JB
N605JB
N606JB
N607JB
N608JB
N612JB
N615JB
N618JB
N621JB
N623JB
N627JB
N629JB
N632JB
N634JB
N636JB
N641JB
N643JB
N644JB
N646JB
N648JB
N649JB
N651JB
N652JB
N653JB
N655JB
N665JB
N705JB
N708JB
N729JB
N760JB
N763JB
N766JB
N768JB
N775JB
N779JB
N796JB
N805JB
N827JB

lightsaber wrote:

FARmd90 wrote:

B6JFKH81 wrote:

So based on the latest schedule, it looks like the Interior Refresh will re-start in late August with N789JB, arriving at SAL on 8/31. Of course that is subject to change based on the ever-changing landscape of the industry.

Just thought I would share, hope everyone is staying safe during these crazy times!

Some great info, thanks for sharing it!!! Let’s hope that it restarts around this time.

Great news. These are crazy times. Just keeping up on maintenance (instead of parking aircraft or the engines) is a step forward. To see interior refresh is a huge leap of faith!

Sorta on topic, how many leased A320s is JetBlue returning instead of refurbishing? Does anyone have any information?

Lightsaber

If I recall correctly, there are 9 aircraft that will not be modified, they are the really old birds at the end of life (N503-N506, and a few after that are not on the list in my last post). The rest of the fleet will get it based on what I have seen.....unless COVID-19 messes up travel longer than current predictions.

I wonder what the 4 thomas cook leased aircraft have been doing all this time. I suppose just sitting around. Very bad timing, covid hit when the ink was still wet. They would of been a nightmare to fly in anyways and really cheapened the brand.

CobaltScar wrote:

I wonder what the 4 thomas cook leased aircraft have been doing all this time. I suppose just sitting around. Very bad timing, covid hit when the ink was still wet. They would of been a nightmare to fly in anyways and really cheapened the brand.

They were never formally acquired by JetBlue thus they are not on the hook - they were letter of intents. They are not joining the fleet.

B6JFKH81 wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

FARmd90 wrote:

Some great info, thanks for sharing it!!! Let’s hope that it restarts around this time.

Great news. These are crazy times. Just keeping up on maintenance (instead of parking aircraft or the engines) is a step forward. To see interior refresh is a huge leap of faith!

Sorta on topic, how many leased A320s is JetBlue returning instead of refurbishing? Does anyone have any information?

Lightsaber

If I recall correctly, there are 9 aircraft that will not be modified, they are the really old birds at the end of life (N503-N506, and a few after that are not on the list in my last post). The rest of the fleet will get it based on what I have seen.....unless COVID-19 messes up travel longer than current predictions.

Any plans to put the new large bins the new NEOs are getting into the future phase 2 planes?

JoseSalazar wrote:

B6JFKH81 wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Great news. These are crazy times. Just keeping up on maintenance (instead of parking aircraft or the engines) is a step forward. To see interior refresh is a huge leap of faith!

Sorta on topic, how many leased A320s is JetBlue returning instead of refurbishing? Does anyone have any information?

Lightsaber

If I recall correctly, there are 9 aircraft that will not be modified, they are the really old birds at the end of life (N503-N506, and a few after that are not on the list in my last post). The rest of the fleet will get it based on what I have seen.....unless COVID-19 messes up travel longer than current predictions.

Any plans to put the new large bins the new NEOs are getting into the future phase 2 planes?

Not to my knowledge, no.

B6JFKH81 wrote:

JoseSalazar wrote:

B6JFKH81 wrote:

If I recall correctly, there are 9 aircraft that will not be modified, they are the really old birds at the end of life (N503-N506, and a few after that are not on the list in my last post). The rest of the fleet will get it based on what I have seen.....unless COVID-19 messes up travel longer than current predictions.

Any plans to put the new large bins the new NEOs are getting into the future phase 2 planes?

Not to my knowledge, no.

That’s too bad. Not an issue now obviously, but pre-covid, full 162 seaters, especially to/from the islands, created such a boarding issue with too many gate checked bags. I saw many delays because of it. The large bins would basically negate that problem. I also saw it a fair amount on the 200 seat 321s.

I sure hope at some point they put the 200 seat 321s through a mod line to bring them up to phase 2/NEO seat/IFE/viasat2 standards, and at the same time put large bins in. It’s not as big of an issue on the mint planes...which...I hope they bring up to the phase 2 & NEO seat/IFE/viasat2 standard as well, as well as the mint 2.0 standard up front once that’s out.

JoseSalazar wrote:

B6JFKH81 wrote:

JoseSalazar wrote:

Any plans to put the new large bins the new NEOs are getting into the future phase 2 planes?

Not to my knowledge, no.

That’s too bad. Not an issue now obviously, but pre-covid, full 162 seaters, especially to/from the islands, created such a boarding issue with too many gate checked bags. I saw many delays because of it. The large bins would basically negate that problem. I also saw it a fair amount on the 200 seat 321s.

I sure hope at some point they put the 200 seat 321s through a mod line to bring them up to phase 2/NEO seat/IFE/viasat2 standards, and at the same time put large bins in. It’s not as big of an issue on the mint planes...which...I hope they bring up to the phase 2 & NEO seat/IFE/viasat2 standard as well, as well as the mint 2.0 standard up front once that’s out.

The solution is to start charging for carry on bags after the first small personal bag. Would bring in a ton of revenue and vastly speed up boarding and turn times.

JoseSalazar wrote:

B6JFKH81 wrote:

JoseSalazar wrote:

Any plans to put the new large bins the new NEOs are getting into the future phase 2 planes?

Not to my knowledge, no.

That’s too bad. Not an issue now obviously, but pre-covid, full 162 seaters, especially to/from the islands, created such a boarding issue with too many gate checked bags. I saw many delays because of it. The large bins would basically negate that problem. I also saw it a fair amount on the 200 seat 321s.

I sure hope at some point they put the 200 seat 321s through a mod line to bring them up to phase 2/NEO seat/IFE/viasat2 standards, and at the same time put large bins in. It’s not as big of an issue on the mint planes...which...I hope they bring up to the phase 2 & NEO seat/IFE/viasat2 standard as well, as well as the mint 2.0 standard up front once that’s out.

While it would be nice, it adds too much complexity to the system. We will already have 3 A320 configurations at the end of this modification:
> A320 Classics - those aircraft that will not be modified as they are reaching the end of their life here. These have 150 Weber seats, smallest bins, LiveTV2, old LAV/Galley configuration (G5 and LAV D/E). These will exit the fleet soon enough and become beer cans LOL.
> A320 Modified (Phase 1) - 162 Pinnacle seats, LTV4, larger/newer bins like the A321CEOs, new G4, S1 and G2 and LAV B/F configuration
> A320 Modified (Phase 2) - 162 Meridian seats, Avant, larger/newer bins like the A321CEOs, new G4, S1 and G2 and LAV B/F configuration

Adding different overhead bins would only create another "sub fleet" which increases technical and material complexity which increases cost. The focus of the A320 refresh was to bring the A320s to the A321CEO standards.

Modifying the IFE (KA/KU systems) on the A321s wouldn't be too difficult to do. It does require some structural changes as the LRUs move from a hanging rack in aft avionics to the 80VU, removal of some wiring, etc., so it is going to cost a bit on man hours and down time of the aircraft, and whatever costs associated with the kits/LRUs from Thales and Viasat. The overhead bins being modified/upgraded would cause issues mentioned before where you are adding complexity and cost through differing product but who knows, it could happen. Right now cash is king, and modifications cost big bucks any way you slice it along with a lot of work in the background....and lets face it, airlines are conserving cash right now as much as possible and with the voluntary opt out packages accepted industry wide, there are less people available in the airlines to plan out an entire modification line, it takes a devoted crew. Right now, you are looking at need to have vs. nice to have....nice to have doesn't put on the back burner or garbage right now as airlines are in dire survival mode.

TheLunchbox wrote:

CobaltScar wrote:

I wonder what the 4 thomas cook leased aircraft have been doing all this time. I suppose just sitting around. Very bad timing, covid hit when the ink was still wet. They would of been a nightmare to fly in anyways and really cheapened the brand.

They were never formally acquired by JetBlue thus they are not on the hook - they were letter of intents. They are not joining the fleet.

A321 N902JT is scheduled to ferry TPA-GYR this morning around 0900 local, barring any delays or cancellations. Just FYI

FloridaMark wrote:

TheLunchbox wrote:

CobaltScar wrote:

I wonder what the 4 thomas cook leased aircraft have been doing all this time. I suppose just sitting around. Very bad timing, covid hit when the ink was still wet. They would of been a nightmare to fly in anyways and really cheapened the brand.

They were never formally acquired by JetBlue thus they are not on the hook - they were letter of intents. They are not joining the fleet.

A321 N902JT is scheduled to ferry TPA-GYR this morning around 0900 local, barring any delays or cancellations. Just FYI

Is GYR the storage location of choice for Aviation Capital Group? I wonder if this means there's no chance of this jet ever joining the JB fleet in the future.

B6JFKH81 wrote:

JoseSalazar wrote:

B6JFKH81 wrote:

Not to my knowledge, no.

That’s too bad. Not an issue now obviously, but pre-covid, full 162 seaters, especially to/from the islands, created such a boarding issue with too many gate checked bags. I saw many delays because of it. The large bins would basically negate that problem. I also saw it a fair amount on the 200 seat 321s.

I sure hope at some point they put the 200 seat 321s through a mod line to bring them up to phase 2/NEO seat/IFE/viasat2 standards, and at the same time put large bins in. It’s not as big of an issue on the mint planes...which...I hope they bring up to the phase 2 & NEO seat/IFE/viasat2 standard as well, as well as the mint 2.0 standard up front once that’s out.

While it would be nice, it adds too much complexity to the system. We will already have 3 A320 configurations at the end of this modification:
> A320 Classics - those aircraft that will not be modified as they are reaching the end of their life here. These have 150 Weber seats, smallest bins, LiveTV2, old LAV/Galley configuration (G5 and LAV D/E). These will exit the fleet soon enough and become beer cans LOL.
> A320 Modified (Phase 1) - 162 Pinnacle seats, LTV4, larger/newer bins like the A321CEOs, new G4, S1 and G2 and LAV B/F configuration
> A320 Modified (Phase 2) - 162 Meridian seats, Avant, larger/newer bins like the A321CEOs, new G4, S1 and G2 and LAV B/F configuration

Adding different overhead bins would only create another "sub fleet" which increases technical and material complexity which increases cost. The focus of the A320 refresh was to bring the A320s to the A321CEO standards.

Modifying the IFE (KA/KU systems) on the A321s wouldn't be too difficult to do. It does require some structural changes as the LRUs move from a hanging rack in aft avionics to the 80VU, removal of some wiring, etc., so it is going to cost a bit on man hours and down time of the aircraft, and whatever costs associated with the kits/LRUs from Thales and Viasat. The overhead bins being modified/upgraded would cause issues mentioned before where you are adding complexity and cost through differing product but who knows, it could happen. Right now cash is king, and modifications cost big bucks any way you slice it along with a lot of work in the background....and lets face it, airlines are conserving cash right now as much as possible and with the voluntary opt out packages accepted industry wide, there are less people available in the airlines to plan out an entire modification line, it takes a devoted crew. Right now, you are looking at need to have vs. nice to have....nice to have doesn't put on the back burner or garbage right now as airlines are in dire survival mode.

Good writeup. Thanks. Any timeline for the 9 320s not getting refurbed to exit the fleet? And yeah, my hopes were more a 3-5 years from now type of thing to start it, maybe later depending on how long it takes to dig out of this hole we are in. Guessing a lot of the N5XXJBs wouldn’t have enough life left to make it worth any further investment beyond whatever refreshes are already done or will be done shortly. But perhaps some of the newer ones and the CEOs would. Really, I just think once all the 320s are refreshed or retired, and no more mods are ongoing, and there is cash to support it, standardizing the phase 1 320s and 321CEOs to the phase 2/NEO standard (Meridian, Avant, viasat2), and possibly switching the Mint 1.0 seats to Mint 2.0, would be good for the fleet from a product standpoint and a maintenance standpoint. And maybe converting as many higher density planes (162/200 seaters) to the extra large bins, if/when it was economically viable. But I don’t see that happening for quite some time, unfortunately.

JoseSalazar wrote:

B6JFKH81 wrote:

JoseSalazar wrote:

That’s too bad. Not an issue now obviously, but pre-covid, full 162 seaters, especially to/from the islands, created such a boarding issue with too many gate checked bags. I saw many delays because of it. The large bins would basically negate that problem. I also saw it a fair amount on the 200 seat 321s.

I sure hope at some point they put the 200 seat 321s through a mod line to bring them up to phase 2/NEO seat/IFE/viasat2 standards, and at the same time put large bins in. It’s not as big of an issue on the mint planes...which...I hope they bring up to the phase 2 & NEO seat/IFE/viasat2 standard as well, as well as the mint 2.0 standard up front once that’s out.

While it would be nice, it adds too much complexity to the system. We will already have 3 A320 configurations at the end of this modification:
> A320 Classics - those aircraft that will not be modified as they are reaching the end of their life here. These have 150 Weber seats, smallest bins, LiveTV2, old LAV/Galley configuration (G5 and LAV D/E). These will exit the fleet soon enough and become beer cans LOL.
> A320 Modified (Phase 1) - 162 Pinnacle seats, LTV4, larger/newer bins like the A321CEOs, new G4, S1 and G2 and LAV B/F configuration
> A320 Modified (Phase 2) - 162 Meridian seats, Avant, larger/newer bins like the A321CEOs, new G4, S1 and G2 and LAV B/F configuration

Adding different overhead bins would only create another "sub fleet" which increases technical and material complexity which increases cost. The focus of the A320 refresh was to bring the A320s to the A321CEO standards.

Modifying the IFE (KA/KU systems) on the A321s wouldn't be too difficult to do. It does require some structural changes as the LRUs move from a hanging rack in aft avionics to the 80VU, removal of some wiring, etc., so it is going to cost a bit on man hours and down time of the aircraft, and whatever costs associated with the kits/LRUs from Thales and Viasat. The overhead bins being modified/upgraded would cause issues mentioned before where you are adding complexity and cost through differing product but who knows, it could happen. Right now cash is king, and modifications cost big bucks any way you slice it along with a lot of work in the background....and lets face it, airlines are conserving cash right now as much as possible and with the voluntary opt out packages accepted industry wide, there are less people available in the airlines to plan out an entire modification line, it takes a devoted crew. Right now, you are looking at need to have vs. nice to have....nice to have doesn't put on the back burner or garbage right now as airlines are in dire survival mode.

Good writeup. Thanks. Any timeline for the 9 320s not getting refurbed to exit the fleet? And yeah, my hopes were more a 3-5 years from now type of thing to start it, maybe later depending on how long it takes to dig out of this hole we are in. Guessing a lot of the N5XXJBs wouldn’t have enough life left to make it worth any further investment beyond whatever refreshes are already done or will be done shortly. But perhaps some of the newer ones and the CEOs would. Really, I just think once all the 320s are refreshed or retired, and no more mods are ongoing, and there is cash to support it, standardizing the phase 1 320s and 321CEOs to the phase 2/NEO standard (Meridian, Avant, viasat2), and possibly switching the Mint 1.0 seats to Mint 2.0, would be good for the fleet from a product standpoint and a maintenance standpoint. And maybe converting as many higher density planes (162/200 seaters) to the extra large bins, if/when it was economically viable. But I don’t see that happening for quite some time, unfortunately.

I definitely agree that after the 320 refit project is done it would be great to see Jetblue take the time to redo the 321CEO core/mint fleet and upgrade it to the phase 2 fleet with airspace bins that are now coming with the latest NEOs and the mint 2.0 product. And then doing the phase 1 320s and OHBs for the phase 2 320s. However with how long jetblue held onto the original interiors the 320s had from day 1 I don’t think that will be likely, maybe we can be surprised though!

At minimum I believe Jetblue should update all wifi planes to the Via Sat system for the better coverage/latest speeds and redo the seat covers/carpet on the 321s/P1 320s to match the AVANT interior.

I have a couple questions about the new A321's:

- What will be the difference between the MINT on the NEO's that are rolling out and the current MINT?
- Will the layout be different on the MINT NEO's than the CEO's?

I am not asking about the LR's, but there are going to be regular NEO's with MINT - https://paxex.aero/2020/09/jetblues-fir ... aks-cover/.

JBcapecott wrote:

I have a couple questions about the new A321's:

- What will be the difference between the MINT on the NEO's that are rolling out and the current MINT?
- Will the layout be different on the MINT NEO's than the CEO's?

I am not asking about the LR's, but there are going to be regular NEO's with MINT - https://paxex.aero/2020/09/jetblues-fir ... aks-cover/.

That info is being held close and hasn’t been released yet, but I would say the new Mint 2.0 config is a safe bet, but with fewer mint seats than the LR/XLR will have. What is Mint 2.0? Someone on here said the thompson vantage solo would be the seat. I have no idea if that’s accurate. Lots of speculation on that. And the Thompson vantage solo website says “coming soon.” So, I guess we will see soon enough.
https://www.thompsonaero.com/seating-range/vantagesolo/
https://onemileatatime.com/vantagesolo-airplane-seat/

Also, it could be part of the airbus airspace cabin launch referenced below.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/airbus ... pace-a320/
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... -cabi.html

Hey is there anyway to know if the flight you booked is on a rennovated a320 or an old a320. I thought it would be as easy as looking into how many seats they have but like every plane i look at the a320's on any route it shows the old configuration which is not possible.

vtimmy13 wrote:

Hey is there anyway to know if the flight you booked is on a rennovated a320 or an old a320. I thought it would be as easy as looking into how many seats they have but like every plane i look at the a320's on any route it shows the old configuration which is not possible.

Plenty of routes show 27 rows (reconfigured). Whether it’s a phase 1 vs phase 2 reconfigure is a bit harder. But if it shows 25 rows in the seat map, it’s on old one.

789JB has just came back from SAL with the new cabin.