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Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:23 am
by FARmd90
With the A320 refurbishment going on now at B6 I thought it would be a nice place to have a thread to be able to track what tails have gone through the mod and what ones are in it. The modification brings the total seats to 162 on the 320 up from 150 while completely gutting the interiors to match the 321s. Starting sometime in 2019 a phase 2 will start with the 320s by receiving a new seat, new TV system and WiFi. Jetblue expects to have about 20 320s done by years end completed with the phase 1 restyling before going to phase 2.

Current tails;
646JB
568JB
570JB
556JB
571JB
621JB

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:29 am
by bspc
Are these refurbishments happening at Mobile (BFM)? There seem to be a lot of A320 JetBlue Ferry Flights happening, unless they are actually just Revenue flights.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:31 am
by FARmd90
I honestly don’t know where the modification is done. Some might be done in BFM, others I think get done in GSO and with the case of 621 it might of been done in SAL as that plane came back into service on 10/22

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:37 am
by seabosdca
What is included in phase 1 other than more seats? Lavs, carpet, walls/ceilings, bins?

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:39 am
by FARmd90
seabosdca wrote:
What is included in phase 1 other than more seats? Lavs, carpet, walls/ceilings, bins?


Everything! New bins, window shades, mood lights, PSU, galley, carpet, in-seat power. They are literally taking everything out and replacing it. They look like brand new planes on the inside.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:45 am
by unusualattitude
They are all done with the GSO work. HAECO moved the retrofits down to the facility in LCQ. I think the BFM flights are paint, unrelated to the cabin retrofits.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:11 am
by impilot
Last I heard these 20 phase 1 planes are not planned to get the viasat2 flyfi, and therefore won’t ever get coverage in the Caribbean, as the phase 2 planes will. I sure hope the 321s and phase 1 planes end up getting it, or get used on lower 48 flights only...but I’m not optimistic. It’s a long flight as a passenger over the water with no WiFi. Also, while I like the look and durability of the 321’s and phase 1 seats, I don’t like the rubber feel and lack of breathability the faux leather offers. Transcons in those seats are brutal. The old beat up leather is a lot more comfortable. Maybe the phase 2 material will be nicer. Just my unsolicited $.02 on the restyling.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:12 am
by B6JFKH81
bspc wrote:
Are these refurbishments happening at Mobile (BFM)? There seem to be a lot of A320 JetBlue Ferry Flights happening, unless they are actually just Revenue flights.


No, BFM is where a paint line is. VT-MAE is not being used for this mod. HAECO LCQ and AEROMAN SAL are performing the mods

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:23 am
by B6JFKH81
seabosdca wrote:
What is included in phase 1 other than more seats? Lavs, carpet, walls/ceilings, bins?


Changing Weber or Recaro seats to B/E seats, installation of Spaceflex lav/galley in aft, new galley and service station in the forward section, refresh forward lav, all new ceiling panels, sidewall panels, overhead bins, cabin lighting, PSUs, upgrade from LiveTV 2 to LiveTV 4 (and soon the Avant system instead), basically we bring it down to a beer can on the inside and redo everything. We just released N621JB a few days ago from SAL, N580JB just came in last night, will be there for about a month. I should be down there to see her leave too. I'm on the mod team down there.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:26 am
by FARmd90
Will tail 503 be getting the mod done at some point?

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:33 am
by B6JFKH81
FARmd90 wrote:
Will tail 503 be getting the mod done at some point?


N503JB just had an HMV without the mod, N504JB and N505JB are in HMV now also without the mod so I'm really not sure. I doubt it though.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:25 am
by Moosefire
Any pics out there? Or is it effectively the same interior as the current 321s?

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:30 am
by jeffh747
Moosefire wrote:
Any pics out there? Or is it effectively the same interior as the current 321s?

http://thepointsguy.com/news/jetblue-un ... 0-restyle/
Hope this helps

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:42 am
by Super80Fan
Great going B6, this is WAY too complicated. So it sounds like there will be A320's/A321's flying around in with the old product, Phase 1, and Phase 2 all at the same time? Why not just wait for "Phase 2"?

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:07 am
by kearnet
I hope they get to N709JB fast, I flew on it last Nov. ('17) and it was is horrible shape: the seat had tears, the tray table arm was broken, and the arm rest could be moved an inch+ in either direction! Plus had the original card swipes which did not fit witht ht ehigh tech image of it's scheme.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:23 am
by mjgbtv
Super80Fan wrote:
Great going B6, this is WAY too complicated. So it sounds like there will be A320's/A321's flying around in with the old product, Phase 1, and Phase 2 all at the same time? Why not just wait for "Phase 2"?


it looks like waiting for Phase 2 would have meant a 9-month delay without the revenue from the extra seats.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:26 am
by FARmd90
kearnet wrote:
I hope they get to N709JB fast, I flew on it last Nov. ('17) and it was is horrible shape: the seat had tears, the tray table arm was broken, and the arm rest could be moved an inch+ in either direction! Plus had the original card swipes which did not fit witht ht ehigh tech image of it's scheme.


Unfortunately the 7 series A320s (I believe tails 703 and up) will be among the last batch to get the modification.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:35 am
by impilot
Super80Fan wrote:
Great going B6, this is WAY too complicated. So it sounds like there will be A320's/A321's flying around in with the old product, Phase 1, and Phase 2 all at the same time? Why not just wait for "Phase 2"?


They had to do something. The phase 2 seat apparently wasn’t ready for rollout and they wanted to get cracking according to the COO. And, the current 321 fleet is outfitted with the same seat/IFE as the PH1 planes, so it’s not like the phase 1 seat is a unique/rare/inconsistent product for the fleet going forward. The 20 or so phase 1 320s (out of 130 total) will essentially match the current 321CEO fleet with regards to seats and IFE. The 321NEO fleet will match the 110 or so phase 2 fleet once completed (unless some of the older planes get parked/returned and never refurbished). So effectively at the end of this in a couple years there will be a very similar and refreshed interior amongst all the 320/321 fleet. Would have been nice if they decided to change out all the seats/IFE to the latest stuff, especially with the viasat 2 and WiFi out over the Caribbean. But the cost probably isn’t worth it with as similar as the two products are. Hopefully they try to keep Viasat2/phase2 planes on the Caribbean flights and ph1/viasat1 planes on domestic routes once there are enough PH2/NEOs in the system, until they decide to update the 321CEO (and 20 PH1 320s) with whatever IFE replaces this stuff when it gets outdated in a few years. But that’s probably wishful thinking with the B6 operation as it is. And we are talking about B6...not like there’s a real 5 year plan anyway.

The a220 seat and IFE is TBD supposedly, and I’ve heard they are looking at the tablet style modular IFE similar or the same as what DL was looking at for their 220s.

Product consistency? Who needs that. I’ll settle for “close enough” and be glad the POS 190s are going away. And I hope to see some of the older N5XX series planes added to the refresh list. Management has said the whole fleet is going to get refreshed, but the fact that the older planes haven’t been sent in for refresh leads me to think they are keeping an eye on the economy/business until they make the decision to dump money into them.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:15 am
by bspc
B6JFKH81 wrote:
bspc wrote:
Are these refurbishments happening at Mobile (BFM)? There seem to be a lot of A320 JetBlue Ferry Flights happening, unless they are actually just Revenue flights.


No, BFM is where a paint line is. VT-MAE is not being used for this mod. HAECO LCQ and AEROMAN SAL are performing the mods


Thank you!

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:27 pm
by tphuang
I would imagine by the end of this, everyone will be dreading going on those E90s. Which is sad, since E90s by space and comfort wise is in a class of its own. Too bad the cabin will continue to deteriorate.

I'm going to have to keep an eye on which one is refurbished for my future bookings.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:37 pm
by FARmd90
579JB has returned to service as of NOV. 4 with the new interior.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:55 pm
by BlueAvGeek
N580JB has returned into service with the new modifications on NOV 28. Certainly love the refreshed look!

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:05 pm
by PotatoPappas
As I look at the A320s with the new cabins, they seem to all be in BOS. Is this their plan? To start them all in BOS and then eventually filter to JFK?

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:54 pm
by jetbluefan1
PotatoPappas wrote:
As I look at the A320s with the new cabins, they seem to all be in BOS. Is this their plan? To start them all in BOS and then eventually filter to JFK?


I believe so, although I don't think they are exclusive to BOS (for example I think one rotates BOS-ATL-FLL-ATL-BOS). From what I can see B6 is mostly operating these on flights from BOS to ATL, MSP, TPA, BUR, and BDA. Not sure if this is intentional or just based on how the planes are rotated through the system.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:12 pm
by tphuang
jetbluefan1 wrote:
PotatoPappas wrote:
As I look at the A320s with the new cabins, they seem to all be in BOS. Is this their plan? To start them all in BOS and then eventually filter to JFK?


I believe so, although I don't think they are exclusive to BOS (for example I think one rotates BOS-ATL-FLL-ATL-BOS). From what I can see B6 is mostly operating these on flights from BOS to ATL, MSP, TPA, BUR, and BDA. Not sure if this is intentional or just based on how the planes are rotated through the system.

Interesting, putting them on some of their more challenging routes in the system.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:53 am
by FARmd90
The plan with the new 320s is to route them mostly through BOS/FLL due to those being some of the most competive markets.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:52 am
by FARmd90
Tail 627JB will now be returned to service as of Dec.7 it is excepted to operate the redeye turn on BOS-SDQ-BOS.

This now gives jetblue 9 320s with the new look with probably room for 1 more to be completed before years end. Starting in 2019 phase 2 of the restyling will start with a new improved IFE/WiFi and different seat. Their 321NEO is expected to also be delivered sometime in the spring of 2019.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:10 am
by CobaltScar
NT

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:11 am
by CobaltScar
FARmd90 wrote:
Tail 627JB has now be returned to service as of Dec.7 it is excepted to operate the redeye turn on BOS-SDQ-BOS.


lol, may the Lord have mercy on whoever has to work the back galley of this restyled 320 on that run.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:29 am
by Soxfan
I just flew on 627jb and the interior comparison is really night and day—it was hard to believe from the inside that the plane wasn’t brand new! I agree that the seats were generally comfortable (adjustable headrests are a big plus) but not as much as the old seats. Everything felt new and fresh. The one problem was that there was no IFE whatsoever (except the power ports did work). Are they returning the aircraft to service flying dark with the new IFE not yet activated, or was that just an issue with this particular aircraft?

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:40 pm
by Soxfan
One other very subtle difference: I’ve found that on the Airbii with the “new/refreshed” interior, the chimes are on the softer side (like the 777s) and there’s a delay between when, for example, the seat belt sign is turned off and the corresponding “ding” is heard about 2-3 seconds later. On this plane, the chimes were much louder and corresponded right when a sign was turned on or off, or when a passenger pressed the call button. Just something I noticed!

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:04 pm
by FARmd90
Jetblue’s 10th restyled A320 has returned to service. Tail 529JB was the lucky 10th one coming back on January 3rd. By Q2 B6 expects to be reconfiguring about 5 planes per month! About 5 320s are expexted to get the phase 1 (321 interior) done before the phase 2 starts with brand new WiFi, seats and IFE.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:37 pm
by B6JFKH81
FARmd90 wrote:
kearnet wrote:
I hope they get to N709JB fast, I flew on it last Nov. ('17) and it was is horrible shape: the seat had tears, the tray table arm was broken, and the arm rest could be moved an inch+ in either direction! Plus had the original card swipes which did not fit witht ht ehigh tech image of it's scheme.


Unfortunately the 7 series A320s (I believe tails 703 and up) will be among the last batch to get the modification.


Actually, the prototype a/c for the new IFE system which should be going in for the mod mid-January is an A320 Enhanced aircraft, and I see other 700 series a/c on the schedule for the mod this year as well so it's more about where they fall into the HMV line. Some of the 700 series a/c will require a "C6" HMV this year which already has it on the ground for 30 days so the interior might as well get swapped since the full interior is removed anyway for that check. The mod on the 700 and 800 series should be easier since they already have the newer style sidewalls, ceiling panels and overhead bins so less kitting is required to support those a/c.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:23 pm
by lightsaber
FARmd90 wrote:
Jetblue’s 10th restyled A320 has returned to service. Tail 529JB was the lucky 10th one coming back on January 3rd. By Q2 B6 expects to be reconfiguring about 5 planes per month! About 5 320s are expexted to get the phase 1 (321 interior) done before the phase 2 starts with brand new WiFi, seats and IFE.

5 per month is the needed rate.

Brought to you by Sharklets and engine PIPs.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:42 am
by justplanesmart
lightsaber wrote:
FARmd90 wrote:
Jetblue’s 10th restyled A320 has returned to service. Tail 529JB was the lucky 10th one coming back on January 3rd. By Q2 B6 expects to be reconfiguring about 5 planes per month! About 5 320s are expexted to get the phase 1 (321 interior) done before the phase 2 starts with brand new WiFi, seats and IFE.

5 per month is the needed rate.

Brought to you by Sharklets and engine PIPs.


On the subject of sharklets, what has happened with plan to refit much of the A320 fleet with them? A few were done in 2016, but nothing since, as best I can tell. Anybody know if there are still planes to do this?

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:53 am
by impilot
justplanesmart wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
FARmd90 wrote:
Jetblue’s 10th restyled A320 has returned to service. Tail 529JB was the lucky 10th one coming back on January 3rd. By Q2 B6 expects to be reconfiguring about 5 planes per month! About 5 320s are expexted to get the phase 1 (321 interior) done before the phase 2 starts with brand new WiFi, seats and IFE.

5 per month is the needed rate.

Brought to you by Sharklets and engine PIPs.


On the subject of sharklets, what has happened with plan to refit much of the A320 fleet with them? A few were done in 2016, but nothing since, as best I can tell. Anybody know if there are still planes to do this?


Due primarily to lower fuel costs, the plan was shelved. Not worth the cost of the mod, the opportunity cost of the down time (ended up taking longer than expected iirc), etc.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:45 pm
by B6JFKH81
FARmd90 wrote:
Will tail 503 be getting the mod done at some point?


I guess the older birds are going to get the new interior, I have 2000-delivered a/c coming to me right now here in SAL! That was a surprise to me! LOL!

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:49 pm
by impilot
B6JFKH81 wrote:
FARmd90 wrote:
Will tail 503 be getting the mod done at some point?


I guess the older birds are going to get the new interior, I have 2000-delivered a/c coming to me right now here in SAL! That was a surprise to me! LOL!


Good news...hopefully the rest of the 500s see you soon.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:01 pm
by FARmd90
B6JFKH81 wrote:
FARmd90 wrote:
Will tail 503 be getting the mod done at some point?


I guess the older birds are going to get the new interior, I have 2000-delivered a/c coming to me right now here in SAL! That was a surprise to me! LOL!


That’s good to hear some of the oldest 320s will be getting the face lift!

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:52 pm
by FARmd90
Does anyone have a list of the next few 320s that are scheduled to go in for the refurb or about how often they go in/come out? Right now there doesn’t look to be any rhym or reason as to when they will come out.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:57 pm
by viasa
If I'm correct, the following ten had been converted:

N529JB
N556JB
N568JB
N570JB
N571JB
N579JB
N580JB
N621JB
N627JB
N646JB

What's about ...?
- N505JB (was in SAL between October 12 and November 20)
- N506JB (was in LCQ between November 24 and December 20)
- N592JB (was in LCQ between October 27 and November 10)
- N624JB (was in SAL between October 29 and November 17)
- N632JB (is in LCQ since November 28)

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:05 am
by FARmd90
Here is an updated list;
PHASE 1
N646JB-In Service
N568JB-In Service
N570JB-In Service
N556JB-In Service
N571JB-In Service
N621JB-In Service
N579JB-In Service
N580JB-In Service
N627JB-In Service
N529JB-In Service
N632JB-In Service
*N629JB-In Progress
*N653JB-In Progress
*N510JB-In Progress

PHASE 2
*N729JB-In Progress

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:36 pm
by FARmd90
So I did some digging and tail 629 flew down to LCQ on Dec. 7th to get the mod done. It’s been roughly 6 weeks which seems a little long to do this. Is the govt shut down having an effect with completing the mods? i.e. FAA can’t sign off on the final check list or does it really take this long??

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:55 pm
by jfklganyc
Very odd Lav/FA Jumpseat in rear of aircraft.

Never saw this anywhere else

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:05 pm
by FARmd90
jfklganyc wrote:
Very odd Lav/FA Jumpseat in rear of aircraft.

Never saw this anywhere else



I can’t speak for other airlines but that jumpseat is only used for take off and landing, is think it would be same at other airlines. F9, NK, and DL have that set up in the back now as well.

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:47 pm
by jfklganyc
It is awful. Looks like a speak easy entrance...you would never know it is a lav door at quick glance!

Rest of cabin is very nice.

B6 finally has a wall between front galley and first row...which is nice!

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:35 pm
by Fixinthe757
All the JetBlue's are getting painted here at BFM. MAAS is the paint shop

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:53 pm
by JAAlbert
B6JFKH81 wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
What is included in phase 1 other than more seats? Lavs, carpet, walls/ceilings, bins?


Changing Weber or Recaro seats to B/E seats, installation of Spaceflex lav/galley in aft, new galley and service station in the forward section, refresh forward lav, all new ceiling panels, sidewall panels, overhead bins, cabin lighting, PSUs, upgrade from LiveTV 2 to LiveTV 4 (and soon the Avant system instead), basically we bring it down to a beer can on the inside and redo everything. We just released N621JB a few days ago from SAL, N580JB just came in last night, will be there for about a month. I should be down there to see her leave too. I'm on the mod team down there.


Wow, how much does all that cost? Airplane interiors don't come cheap!

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:54 pm
by b6bos143
jfklganyc wrote:
It is awful. Looks like a speak easy entrance...you would never know it is a lav door at quick glance!

Rest of cabin is very nice.

B6 finally has a wall between front galley and first row...which is nice!


B6 has always had a wall between the front row and the forward galley. Here’s a photo of rows 1-2, aircraft right, from way back in 2001:

Re: Jetblue A320 refurbish thread.

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:56 pm
by B6JFKH81
JAAlbert wrote:
Wow, how much does all that cost? Airplane interiors don't come cheap!


It costs a lot between the kits, aircraft down time, installation, etc. However, it is an investment which will pay for itself (hopefully) through increased revenue and higher number of return customers. Current survey results show a great improvement in customer satisfaction for aircraft with the new interior, so that's a positive sign this early in the program.