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RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:20 pm

Earlier this week an Airline Geeks writer posted on twitter that he heard

"A friend of mine heard through a friend of his that Lufthansa is ordering up to 15 A380neo aircraft. And by neo I mean plus. Just quoting my friend here." https://twitter.com/ShaquilleAKhan/status/1054881411554000897


I thought ok, this is just another rumor, which this very well could be.

However today LH news posted a picture of an A380 with the quote below. https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/status/1055835568972673026
"Big things are coming our way. Stay curious and enjoy the weekend. #HappyFriday"


Now in the past I believe LH group has publicly come out and said that they weren't interested in anymore A380s however with this turn of events, I thought that maybe it would be worthy of a debate.
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:23 pm

I find that highly unlikely. It would only make the slightest sense as replacement for their current A380s, but their ownership structure would render replacing them early very unattractive for Lufthansa with the A380 used market in the decrepit state it is in. An A380 top-up order would surprise me very much.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:24 pm

Says the first tweet has been deleted. :?
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:31 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Says the first tweet has been deleted. :?


He did replace it with this.

https://twitter.com/ShaquilleAKhan/stat ... 9266738176
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:31 pm

LH has 14 A380s in use. Not exactly 15, but absent of any further information, the best thing I can think of is that they are looking at updating/refurbishing their existing fleet and maybe retro-fitting them with those new winglets Airbus showed off some time ago.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:33 pm

Maybe after guidance from the network folks, fleet management people met with BA & EK colleagues, on a professional, NDA covered occasion. I hoped it is just a rumor, A380 good news might create some distress & confusion.
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:34 pm

I think we're reading (hoping) too much into this. Probably some minor news about some routes or concept, or not a new order
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:37 pm

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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:37 pm

Do they have an A380 in the new livery yet? Given the pathetic stuff that counts as "big news" or "breaking news" these days, it wouldn't surprise me if that was all it was.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:47 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Says the first tweet has been deleted. :?


Sorry about that, the hyperlink wasn't extended to include the last digit, it should be fixed now!
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:10 pm

Could only really see them being 747-400 replacements? And not exactly a fit with the 777X on order.
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:20 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Could only really see them being 747-400 replacements? And not exactly a fit with the 777X on order.


<mode="discordianism"> Dumping the 748 prematurely ? </mode> :-)

LH once quipped that they would not be adverse to a VLA beyond the A380-800 ( "we'd take a 1000 PAX plane" )
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:21 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Could only really see them being 747-400 replacements? And not exactly a fit with the 777X on order.


Sounds logical, replacing 744s with A38P and 77X..
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:01 pm

Erebus wrote:
the best thing I can think of is that they are looking at updating/refurbishing their existing fleet and maybe retro-fitting them with those new winglets...


Can the older generation A380s even be retrofitted with the new winglets? I've seen them I think they look awesome, but I only thought they would be used on the proposed A380plus.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:10 pm

A.net would go into full meltdown if true.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:18 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
A.net would go into full meltdown if true.


So would the aviation world.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:25 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
A.net would go into full meltdown if true.


thrown in some for BA and you can say pigs can fly!

Still a rumor, But I hope this one becomes a reality, A380 needs to be around till ultrafans.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:26 pm

Considering LH was the airline that reduced their original order from 17 to 14 - I'd be shocked if they found a need for more. Unless this is a replacement order for the aircraft they already have, which is decidedly un LH-like to replace such young aircraft so early.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:38 pm

hmm.....
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:43 pm

mullac30 wrote:
hmm.....
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I tease of the first LH A380 to rollout in their new livery?

I had heard rumor 1st 380 in new colors would debut in October
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:59 pm

Would be awesome with some more A380s :-)
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:03 pm

I doubt very much that Airbus is going to do the A380+ for just LH & EK, especially with the trouble they and EK are having with RR to get any improvements on the existing engine. They need some more carriers to be interested.
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:08 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
mullac30 wrote:
hmm.....
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I tease of the first LH A380 to rollout in their new livery?

I had heard rumor 1st 380 in new colors would debut in October



Although I hope on ordering more A380s, that would be awesome, I think you might be right. The first LH A380 in their new livery... What a disappointment that would be.
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:29 pm

I don’t know enough to comment on whether LH has need for additional 380s in their fleet...

But is it possible that this could be LH leasing some of Amedeo’s 380s that are on order?
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:33 pm

SEPilot wrote:
I doubt very much that Airbus is going to do the A380+ for just LH & EK, especially with the trouble they and EK are having with RR to get any improvements on the existing engine. They need some more carriers to be interested.


That depends. The Plus "upgrade" is rather minimal.
But this might be the needed push to certify the T7000. Especially if it, and the winglets can be redesigned so they can be retrofitted to current frames.
I think BA and SQ will be watching closely.

Theres been rumors that LH might cancel or cut the 777X order. The only way I see this happening, is if that happens IMO. But I think this is probably just the new livery.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:20 pm

Come on people, stop falling for this.
If there were any A380's in the pipeline, LH would have made a huge fuss before ordering.
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:37 pm

We're all here because we want it to be a crazy new order for a non-existent model. But deep in our hearts, I think we all know this is an announcement of the first A380 in LH's bland new livery.
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:48 pm

DominoxX wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Could only really see them being 747-400 replacements? And not exactly a fit with the 777X on order.


Sounds logical, replacing 744s with A38P and 77X..


Lufthansa have 14 ish 744’s remaining? There’s a proposed order of 15 A380’s + the 20 ish 777X that are also on order. Something doesn’t add up.
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:50 pm

Cancel the 77X, replace it with 15 additional A380 for fleet simplification. Change the 77X with Boeing to 787, and send those frames to Austrian or Swiss to meet their needs.

That’s what it sounds like to me.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:58 pm

chrisp390 wrote:
Cancel the 77X, replace it with 15 additional A380 for fleet simplification. Change the 77X with Boeing to 787, and send those frames to Austrian or Swiss to meet their needs.


I would think Boeing is unlikely to offer very favorable terms on a 77X-787 conversion, given that airlines are lining up to buy the latter and the former already has a smallish and riskier-than-average order book.

That said I don't think an additional A380 order is a completely ridiculous thought, if they see adding capacity as potentially profitable. 77X would become 346 replacements and the new A380s would replace the remaining 744s. Perhaps a way to take advantage of EK's capacity constraints at DXB, which now look like they are going to last for quite a long time. In this scenario the recently announced 787/A350 contest would be for 343 and perhaps eventually 333 replacement.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:28 pm

Lufthansa cancelling 777-9 would be silly and ordering more A380 makes even less sense. LH needs a large twin, larger then a A350, and the 777-9 fits the mission. LH ordering 77W for SWISS and 777F is no mistake, the 777 will play a larger part at the LH group. The current A380 fleet is the only one LH is ever going to have.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:15 pm

maybe a big A350 order?
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:23 pm

Folks, this isn't going to be an airplane order. At least nothing with implications on an A350 or 787 purchase.

They *just* put out an RFP. It will take a few months for the two manufacturers to put together a proposal, work out the details, get board approvals, sign contracts, etc. Do you seriously think they're going to change their minds and say "never mind, we're going to buy A380s and cancel 777Xs and order 787s or A350s instead" all within the span of a week?
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:31 pm

No way they are cancelling the 777X. They have already made plans for it, including Business Class seats and some crew training and network plans. Since they are in no financial trouble it would make no sense.

That said, an A380plus order (or anything for that matter) would be great, but I doubt it'll happen.
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:51 pm

So if they had used the A320 in the post would you think they were about to order more of them? LH is an airline. They are going to use an airplane in their photos on social media. They just happened to use a photo of their A380 in this one. It means nothing.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:01 pm

I think it will be A380 in new livery based on this conversation on twitter I had a few months ago:
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Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:10 pm

EChid wrote:
But deep in our hearts, I think we all know this is an announcement of the first A380 in LH's bland new livery.


Doubt it.

I just checked, and all of LHs 380 are operational in last 7 days, and I dont think that you can repaint 380 overnight. Does someone actually know how long?
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:22 pm

Must be another Halloween joke...... Or maybe Airbus is taking back Lufthansa's original A380s??? :old:
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:24 pm

kh1 wrote:
I think it will be A380 in new livery



Yeah i remember reading that the first A380 is due for repaint in October... So it's about time...
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:25 pm

It's inconceivable that a listed company would feed rumors of a possible order with such a tease.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:52 am

I wish this doesn’t turn out to be just a rumour, but at the same time Airbus isn’t going to produce an actual A380plus only for 15 LH order. The A38P is only a proposal after all.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:09 am

I don't see why LH would do this.

The A380 is a very nice jet but does LH need the extra capacity without increasing its frequencies? From what I know FRA is slot-restricted but not sure about MUC.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:45 am

One interesting point here is that LH has been moving some A380s from FRA to MUC. (For example, LAX-MUC is now on an A380, and SFO started a few days ago.) And yet I can't see how demand at FRA is ultimately declining, especially with Frankfurt gaining importance as a European financial center after Brexit. And of course FRA is highly slot-constrained and has a curfew. All of which might mean LH has concluded that while an A380 base at MUC is justified, it should not come at the expense of FRA; hence a new order. I don't think this possibility is quite so farfetched as some are making it out to be.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:55 am

Don’t hold your breaths! More A380 orders are highly unlikely. I think they’re just repainting their A380s to the new livery or just planning to put A380 on new routes and the news is just about that!
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:45 am

The only Logical Explanation for this would be that the third runway at MUC is stalled due to the state election in Bavaria . The coalition Partner for the leading Party will not agree to build this runway. Plus the state elections in Hesse tomorrow might have a result where the left extremists might be part of a coalition which would be a Desaster for FRA.
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:55 am

If true, may point to which engine the latest EK order will use. Good ploy, if EK were to bring another customer to the Airbus / GE / RR table. Harder to decline to quote competitively for engines.

What would it replace? Are LH going to exercise the 748i buyback?
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:04 am

An airline that is indicating that the 777X may be too big and thus considering reducing the order is going to order more whale jets? Seems totally plausible!
And if Airbus is going to do a neo on the A380, they're not going to do it for 15 more frames. The only way Airbus is doing a neo on the A380 is if EK orders an additional batch.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:19 am

Somebody misunderstood the LH tweet, which is only about the first A380 in the new livery.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:32 am

Perhaps things should be considered starting from the Airbus side. They are running out of A380s to deliver and there is no freighter version. But they can hope for enough sales to operate the line at 6 per year. Unfortunately they have time constraints. What if they went to the major u users and said put up or shut up? And took a bit of a loss? At 6 per year, LH, BA, EK, KE, and perhaps a Chinese consortium would only need to take one per year. The A380 could stay alive.
 
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Re: RUMOR: LH considering order of up to 15 A380 Plus

Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:22 am

seahawk wrote:
Somebody misunderstood the LH tweet, which is only about the first A380 in the new livery.

Probably!

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