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Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:06 am
by asuflyer
Breaking News a Lion Air 737MAX8 PK-LQP has crashed operating JT610 from Jakarta to Pangal Pinang. Search and rescue has been initiated. The aircraft reportedly crashed into the sea approximately 13 minutes after takeoff.

https://ekonomi.kompas.com/read/2018/10 ... ang-kontak
( In Bahasa Indonesia)

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:08 am
by PA727
Per Reuters:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1056728047494332416

"BREAKING: Lion Air flight from Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang has crashed - Indonesia search and rescue official."

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:12 am
by PotatoPappas
asuflyer wrote:
Breaking News a Lion Air 737MAX8 PK-LQP has crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang. Links to follow

https://ekonomi.kompas.com/read/2018/10 ... ang-kontak
( In Bahasa Indonesia)


Anything in English?

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:14 am
by DexSwart
Oh no.

Looks like it’s mostly an overwater flight.

Thunderstorms around Jakarta as well.

Hopefully everyone gets out okay. Hopefully.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:15 am
by hongkongflyer
again....they always crash the new plane

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:17 am
by ikolkyo
Flight path is interesting climbs to about 5400ft and bounces around between 5400ft and 4900ft and then dips down to 4500, climbs up to 5500ft then suddenly dips down and contact is lost.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... /#1e5ff318

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:17 am
by A333MSPtoAMS
The only thing is this snippet from the Sydney Herald

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/lion- ... 50cmu.html

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:20 am
by l87e
ikolkyo wrote:
Flight path is interesting climbs to about 5400ft and bounces around between 5400ft and 4900ft and then dips down to 4500, climbs up to 5500ft then suddenly dips down and contact is lost.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... /#1e5ff318


And on Flightaware:
Time (EDT) Latitude Longitude Course kts mph feet Rate
Sun 07:31:50 PM -5.8221 107.1213 ↗ 34° 383 441 2,800 -7,688 Descending

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/PKL ... K/tracklog

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:22 am
by ikolkyo
l87e wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Flight path is interesting climbs to about 5400ft and bounces around between 5400ft and 4900ft and then dips down to 4500, climbs up to 5500ft then suddenly dips down and contact is lost.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... /#1e5ff318


And on Flightaware:
Time (EDT) Latitude Longitude Course kts mph feet Rate
Sun 07:31:50 PM -5.8221 107.1213 ↗ 34° 383 441 2,800 -7,688 Descending

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/PKL ... K/tracklog


Sheesh, I hope there are some survivors but this is not a good sign.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:35 am
by Aaron747
No good indications here - a seemingly unusual climb profile, and airspeed was on significant uptick when tracking was lost.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:36 am
by Kickert

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:40 am
by Newbiepilot
Aaron747 wrote:
No good indications here - a seemingly unusual climb profile, and airspeed was on significant uptick when tracking was lost.


7 minutes at 5,000ft and over 300 knots seems unusual.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:41 am
by haydenschool
Brand new aircraft gone bye bye...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:41 am
by Bradin
Assuming it is registry PK-LQP, it was delivered August 2018.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... s/98qgSk0O

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:42 am
by LUV737
ikolkyo wrote:
Flight path is interesting climbs to about 5400ft and bounces around between 5400ft and 4900ft and then dips down to 4500, climbs up to 5500ft then suddenly dips down and contact is lost.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... /#1e5ff318



Pitot covers missed on walk around?

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:45 am
by afterburner
In an Indonesian leading English newspaper website: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018 ... plane.html

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:45 am
by Zkpilot
A ship reportedly saw it falling from the sky. Would indicate either a catastrophic failure or something like a stall a la AF447 perhaps.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:46 am
by gia777
I am from Indonesia and Lion Air - Air Asia - both are on my BANNED list. I am reconsidering Batik Air as well since they belong to Lion Group. Soo sad 1 month plane and passengers now gone.
The problem with Indonesian pilots are their CRM training very poor. 3000ft is not that high... and the water is not that deep, maybe they can land the plane. I know those area.

and one thing that pissed me off is, they didn't put any update news on their website and never will

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:50 am
by SQ789
There safety record might have been always at risk and since around this year and before are always delays before the lost.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:55 am
by a320fan
Ouch sad to loose a max8 so soon after introduction. Here’s hoping there’s at least some survivors.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:57 am
by Jshank83
I’ve seen a few comments on it already but I just wanted to ask the question outright since I don’t know a ton about Asian carriers.

I’ve heard of lionair but I don’t know much about them. ULCC? Thoughts on their safety in general? If they are buying new planes that usually is good sign in my mind that they aren’t just buying old ones. Just some background from some of you that have flown them or know them better than me. Thanks.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:57 am
by flight152
It’s absolutely insane how bad the safety record is for this airline. Blows my mind anyone would step on one of their aircraft.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:57 am
by asuflyer
The relatives of the passenger are being taken to a waiting room. The authorities in PGK will be conducting a press conference.

https://www.facebook.com/bangkapos/videos/737145766672452/

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:59 am
by RetroRoo
A little baffled at some people above who seem to be sadder about a 737Max8 being destroyed than the people who were inside it...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:59 am
by ikolkyo
Jshank83 wrote:
I’ve seen a few comments on it already but I just wanted to ask the question outright since I don’t know a ton about Asian carriers.

I’ve heard of lionair but I don’t know much about them. ULCC? Thoughts on their safety in general? If they are buying new planes that usually is good sign in my mind that they aren’t just buying old ones. Just some background from some of you that have flown them or know them better than me. Thanks.


Airline is a joke, their Safety record is a complete disaster.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:01 am
by YellowJ
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:01 am
by smileymilo
Zkpilot wrote:
A ship reportedly saw it falling from the sky. Would indicate either a catastrophic failure or something like a stall a la AF447 perhaps.

Looking at FR24 radar the speed was good throughout but certainly had control issues as was deviating +/- 800ft and last report shows 2,800ft and 383 knots with a down velocity of + 7,000ft per minute. Not good.
Hopefully a miracle. Must open the question to sabotage as well as maintenance should be fine on a 2 month aircraft.

Fingers crossed for everyone on board.

Regards

Miles

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:02 am
by Zone1
Bloomberg reporting 178 pax, 3 children, and 7 crew on board.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:03 am
by musman9853
haydenschool wrote:
Brand new aircraft gone bye bye...



Screw the plane, just hope there are survivors

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:03 am
by hongkongflyer
smileymilo wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
A ship reportedly saw it falling from the sky. Would indicate either a catastrophic failure or something like a stall a la AF447 perhaps.

Looking at FR24 radar the speed was good throughout but certainly had control issues as was deviating +/- 800ft and last report shows 2,800ft and 383 knots with a down velocity of + 7,000ft per minute. Not good.
Hopefully a miracle. Must open the question to sabotage as well as maintenance should be fine on a 2 month aircraft.

Fingers crossed for everyone on board.

Regards

Miles


Not the first time they crashed a brand new 2 months plane

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:04 am
by PlanesNTrains
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?


The GOL crash was a three week old frame, and I know there have been others that were younger.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:05 am
by KICT
This airline needs to be shut down. They are out of control.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:06 am
by Veigar
Yeesh, this is really horrific... then again, Lion Air's safety record is hot garbage, so I'm going to call this one out on pilot error as my gut says.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:06 am
by PlanesNTrains
KICT wrote:
This airline needs to be shut down. They are out of control.


And I’m sorry but what caused this crash?

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:07 am
by Planeyguy
Let's hope its not the problem with the 737MAX...

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:07 am
by musman9853
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?



Even China Airlines 605 lasted 3 months.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:07 am
by gia777
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?


Most probably yes and I remembered they did it before with their brand new 737-800 crashed just short of the runway in Bali (everyone survived)

Lion Air has becoming a joke in my country and they always always always screw up on many things... the problem is...they are cheap to fly so most below avarage ppl take Lion.

I am no rich but I always travel with Garuda no matter what. sometimes by train too. less trouble. damn I am flying in 3 days.... lol

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:08 am
by PlanesNTrains
Planeyguy wrote:
Let's hope its not the problem with the 737MAX...


I’m assuming you don’t work for LionAir because I guarantee you they want it to be the MAX. They have a lousy record as a carrier but things happen that surprise us sometimes.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:08 am
by ikolkyo
musman9853 wrote:
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?



Even China Airlines 605 lasted 3 months.


I think I remember reading about a 707 on delivery flight that crashed.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:09 am
by afterburner
I'm disappointed, though not surprised, reading the negative comments about this airline. Lion Air was one of the first few Indonesian airlines that were removed from the EU airline blacklist.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:10 am
by SQ789
gia777 wrote:
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?


Most probably yes and I remembered they did it before with their brand new 737-800 crashed just short of the runway in Bali (everyone survived)

Lion Air has becoming a joke in my country and they always always always screw up on many things... the problem is...they are cheap to fly so most below avarage ppl take Lion.

I am no rich but I always travel with Garuda no matter what. sometimes by train too. less trouble. damn I am flying in 3 days.... lol

They are, even before the crash it appears their safety record are kind of at risk. They always blame customers for delays, cancellation, no complimentary food etc. So I hope this airline will ceased flying soon no matter what happen. P.S if everyone dies in this flight and the airline will file for bankruptcy soon I would appreciate this.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:12 am
by KICT
afterburner wrote:
Lion Air was one of the first few Indonesian airlines that were removed from the EU airline blacklist.

Who did they pay off under the table to achieve that goal?

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:13 am
by SQ789
Update: Pertamina says the plane crash near offshore of the gas station according to source in Bahasa.

http://www.tribunnews.com/nasional/2018 ... silitasnya

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:14 am
by afterburner
ikolkyo wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?



Even China Airlines 605 lasted 3 months.


I think I remember reading about a 707 on delivery flight that crashed.

How about British Midland flight 92 that crashed in Kegworth, Leicestershire, UK? The 737-400 was less than four months old.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:14 am
by 727LOVER
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?


Google N7071....I think it has that honor as it had not even been delivered.

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Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:16 am
by SQ789
afterburner wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
musman9853 wrote:


Even China Airlines 605 lasted 3 months.


I think I remember reading about a 707 on delivery flight that crashed.

How about British Midland flight 92 that crashed in Kegworth, Leicestershire, UK? The 737-400 was less than four months old.

That's something similar, but this crash might killed everyone against just some passengers on board.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:16 am
by musman9853
Reuters reporting debris has been found.

Check out @Reuters’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1056 ... 82497?s=09

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:18 am
by edu2703
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?


An Etihad A340-600 crashed during a ground test before its first flight

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20071115-0

Also, an EMB-120 Brasilia crashed on its delivery flight, minutes after takeoff

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 19860919-1

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:18 am
by KPDX
Very sad news. How in the hell has this airline not been shut down by the government? Atrocious.

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:20 am
by zakuivcustom
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?


Gol Flight 1907, 3 weeks after delivery, should be up there as a “new plane”.

As for the flight, hoping for the best but things are certainly not looking good. And this is with Lion at least improving their safety record somewhat compare to the “one incident per month” a few years back.