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Alias1024 wrote:
The new uniforms are a perfect microcosm of AA a couple years ago. They took a chance to excite their frontline employees and deliver something stylish and unique, and instead delivered a boring gray outfit that makes people itchy. Stale, corporate, and aggravating. I guess that’s three more words.
fsx98 wrote:As a loyal AA fan and frequent AA flyer, it is sad to see this airline being dumbed down to where CS is on par with UA and even NK; some downfalls leading to this include uncomfortable seating on some planes, hit/miss delays in their major hubs in ORD and DFW, and hit/miss on friendliness of cabin crew. Despite having regained my confidence on AA on my ABQ trip after a terrible trip experience w/ AA on my return trip from MCO this past summer, I am starting to lean my preference on WN as the airline I would want to fly, although I won't rule out AA when it comes to which airline I will plan to fly in future trips that involves flying. My three words for AA: Please Do Better.
flyguy84 wrote:fsx98 wrote:As a loyal AA fan and frequent AA flyer, it is sad to see this airline being dumbed down to where CS is on par with UA and even NK; some downfalls leading to this include uncomfortable seating on some planes, hit/miss delays in their major hubs in ORD and DFW, and hit/miss on friendliness of cabin crew. Despite having regained my confidence on AA on my ABQ trip after a terrible trip experience w/ AA on my return trip from MCO this past summer, I am starting to lean my preference on WN as the airline I would want to fly, although I won't rule out AA when it comes to which airline I will plan to fly in future trips that involves flying. My three words for AA: Please Do Better.
If you’re worried about delays and cancellations, you certainly won’t find solace in WN. They are consistently at the bottom of the pack in on-time departures and completion.
lowfareair wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:The linked article is a little superficial.
More money was never going to make certain AA employee groups happy - they will always think they deserve yet more still. They've been conditioned - by AA/US/HP management, or by their union representation - to think reflexively that management is always screwing them.
The big issue with giving them more money was that nothing was asked for in exchange, and even looking at some of the more recent issues - like MCE having dedicated bins except FAs were told they don't have to enforce it, show that management is actively encouraging laziness. That is a huge issue IMO, and one they need to fix.
AA747123 wrote:First of all Parker and team are not going anywhere. All fairly young still plan on his team being around another 10 years at least. He needs to decide weather he wants to be a world class airline that offers premium service and can command that revenue, or go back to his HP roots and be bargain basement cheap catering to the vacation crowd that flies once a year. So far he has not been able to do both which is what he has been trying to do. He needs to get ahold of his spending, and start paying down debt. I really dont think he needed to spend 3 billion on his new HDQ complex that rivals GOOGLEs building.
Looking at Deltas new A220 its obvious they want to be a premium airline by offering a wonderful experience, the large personal TVs are a classy touch and the cabin looks roomy and spacious. AAs new 737 MAX is a horrible customer experience, even First Class is cramped and uncomfortable.
LUS took over AA thinking they could run it like they did HP and it isnt working.
L0VE2FLY wrote:The reason why I'm not a fan of AA is the fact that their future long haul fleet will be almost exclusively 787, my least favorite airliner ever, as a window seat fiend I'd tolerate everything, except the crew dimming my window against my will, that's why I always avoid the 787.
itchief wrote:SPREE34 wrote:AA is what it's going to be for a long time to come. The culture has to change, and the opportunity to do that during the merger process was squandered. The needed culture change will take time as the old flushes out and new that can promote the change filter in. DP didn't cause this. He is but one factor in many. AA was like this before DP, US as well.
Sorry but you are wrong. AA was a good airline before Doug Parker and his US Air buddies took over.
Varsity1 wrote:itchief wrote:SPREE34 wrote:AA is what it's going to be for a long time to come. The culture has to change, and the opportunity to do that during the merger process was squandered. The needed culture change will take time as the old flushes out and new that can promote the change filter in. DP didn't cause this. He is but one factor in many. AA was like this before DP, US as well.
Sorry but you are wrong. AA was a good airline before Doug Parker and his US Air buddies took over.
Good at what? Going bankrupt? In 2012 L-AA was bankrupt and on the ropes. US Air tied up their (profitable) company to turn the tide.
Given the state of the industry in 2012, there was a solid chance a bankruptcy judge would have approved a liquidation of AA just like PanAM- exactly what the creditors wanted.
DeltaPrince wrote:Varsity1 wrote:itchief wrote:
Sorry but you are wrong. AA was a good airline before Doug Parker and his US Air buddies took over.
Good at what? Going bankrupt? In 2012 L-AA was bankrupt and on the ropes. US Air tied up their (profitable) company to turn the tide.
Given the state of the industry in 2012, there was a solid chance a bankruptcy judge would have approved a liquidation of AA just like PanAM- exactly what the creditors wanted.
Bull----. AA entered BK with billions. The main motivators for BK were to abrogate employment contracts; turn pensions over to PBGC (didn't happen...they were frozen); get out of unfavorable leases; reduce debt and outsource a good percentage of labor. And, frankly, airlines now see BK as a competitive weapon.
Once UA and DL went, it was a foregone conclusion that AA would go eventually.
crazyplane1234 wrote:L0VE2FLY wrote:The reason why I'm not a fan of AA is the fact that their future long haul fleet will be almost exclusively 787, my least favorite airliner ever, as a window seat fiend I'd tolerate everything, except the crew dimming my window against my will, that's why I always avoid the 787.
That's an AA problem, not a 787 problem. Even if AA sold off all their 787s and bought 100 A350s, they would still tell you to close the shades.
L0VE2FLY wrote:The crew-override feature allows the crew to dim the windows any time they want, which they do very often, many airlines are abusing this feature. More sleeping pax = Less workload for the cabin crew and reduced expenses for the airline, less food and drinks consumed, etc..., I only close the shades when it's necessary to do so.
superjeff wrote:I'm Platinum Pro at AA. They have downgraded their soft product tremendously and it shows. Problem is I think Delta and United aren't noticeably better. As long as you have 30" pitch and no alternative, they can get away with it. I live in Dallas, so I'm stuck flying with them. and becoming more and more unhappy.
FSDan wrote:Having recently moved from Madison, WI to Tucson, AZ, I've flown AA more recently in the last month than any other airline. Definitely underwhelmed. Had a misconnect in PHX a few weeks ago where the gate agent for my second flight wouldn't hold the departure for 5 minutes to allow three connecting passengers from my delayed TUS-PHX flight to make it on board. I've had experiences on both DL and UA where the gate agents built some serious goodwill with me by holding a departure after a slightly delayed inbound arrival, but this AA agent was stone cold.
flyguy84 wrote:fsx98 wrote:As a loyal AA fan and frequent AA flyer, it is sad to see this airline being dumbed down to where CS is on par with UA and even NK; some downfalls leading to this include uncomfortable seating on some planes, hit/miss delays in their major hubs in ORD and DFW, and hit/miss on friendliness of cabin crew. Despite having regained my confidence on AA on my ABQ trip after a terrible trip experience w/ AA on my return trip from MCO this past summer, I am starting to lean my preference on WN as the airline I would want to fly, although I won't rule out AA when it comes to which airline I will plan to fly in future trips that involves flying. My three words for AA: Please Do Better.
If you’re worried about delays and cancellations, you certainly won’t find solace in WN. They are consistently at the bottom of the pack in on-time departures and completion.
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:Becoming Spirit Airlines
alasizon wrote:FSDan wrote:Having recently moved from Madison, WI to Tucson, AZ, I've flown AA more recently in the last month than any other airline. Definitely underwhelmed. Had a misconnect in PHX a few weeks ago where the gate agent for my second flight wouldn't hold the departure for 5 minutes to allow three connecting passengers from my delayed TUS-PHX flight to make it on board. I've had experiences on both DL and UA where the gate agents built some serious goodwill with me by holding a departure after a slightly delayed inbound arrival, but this AA agent was stone cold.
Not excusing the stone cold behavior, but unfortunately the reality is that flights in PHX aren't held unless there is no protection for you. With the 25 minute minimum connect time it is a big struggle for a lot of people to connect. The agents don't have the power to hold and no sup wants to be responsible for the delay given it gets coded straight to them.
stlgph wrote:alasizon wrote:FSDan wrote:Having recently moved from Madison, WI to Tucson, AZ, I've flown AA more recently in the last month than any other airline. Definitely underwhelmed. Had a misconnect in PHX a few weeks ago where the gate agent for my second flight wouldn't hold the departure for 5 minutes to allow three connecting passengers from my delayed TUS-PHX flight to make it on board. I've had experiences on both DL and UA where the gate agents built some serious goodwill with me by holding a departure after a slightly delayed inbound arrival, but this AA agent was stone cold.
Not excusing the stone cold behavior, but unfortunately the reality is that flights in PHX aren't held unless there is no protection for you. With the 25 minute minimum connect time it is a big struggle for a lot of people to connect. The agents don't have the power to hold and no sup wants to be responsible for the delay given it gets coded straight to them.
It's like that throughout the entire AA system and it's a ridiculous policy that needs to be changed, especially if it is American's fault for the misconnect. There were a few near riots in PHL at the customer service counters....not that I didn't help kind of egg it or anything.
DeltaXNA wrote:It is sad that AA is going down hill instead of going for great. This article states that American Airlines asked it's employees to describe the airline in 3 words.
https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/am ... d-sad.html
AA needs to improve the customer experience. United has improved, Southwest and Delta have as far as I know always been consistently good. What does AA need to do to improve? Removing a row of seats from each plane would be a good start?
gunsontheroof wrote:Livery still weird.
nomorerjs wrote:Rain means cancellations
jumbojet wrote:stlgph wrote:alasizon wrote:
Not excusing the stone cold behavior, but unfortunately the reality is that flights in PHX aren't held unless there is no protection for you. With the 25 minute minimum connect time it is a big struggle for a lot of people to connect. The agents don't have the power to hold and no sup wants to be responsible for the delay given it gets coded straight to them.
It's like that throughout the entire AA system and it's a ridiculous policy that needs to be changed, especially if it is American's fault for the misconnect. There were a few near riots in PHL at the customer service counters....not that I didn't help kind of egg it or anything.
There are always choices when flying. Sometimes folks make bad decisions while others make the right decisions.
Remember this? Happened in Phoenix too.
Delta Air Lines pilot turned plane around and returned to gate to pick up family so they wouldn't miss their father's funeral after seeing distraught son through window
The Short family arrived late due to a delay on the first leg of their journey
Plane was pulling away from the gate at Minneapolis-St Paul airport
Airline staff told the family the tower wouldn't allow the plane to return
Pilot made the call to turn around after seeing distraught family members
They made it to Memphis on time and were able to attend the funeral
N62NA wrote:I am squarely in the minority here.
Consistently good service.
I am just about to make Platinum for this year (tomorrow's flight) so I have flown with them more than just a handful of times. I have found the flight attendants to range from good to excellent (usually the MIA based ones have been the most friendly).
The food in F is good / very good, I more often than not end up on a 763 or 757 which has the bed seat which is much appreciated on a domestic flight.
International, the 772 / 77W / 788 / 789 are great in J (though still not a fan of the backwards / forwards seating, but I'm getting used to it).
I never fly Y, so maybe all the complaining has to do with the Y experience. But up front, they're very good.
DeltaXNA wrote:United has improved, Southwest and Delta have as far as I know always been consistently good. What does AA need to do to improve?
N649DL wrote:DeltaXNA wrote:United has improved, Southwest and Delta have as far as I know always been consistently good. What does AA need to do to improve?
Better. Than. United.
UA still needs lots of improvement. I personally don't find anything too offensive these days with AA in comparison.
LHUSA wrote:N649DL wrote:DeltaXNA wrote:United has improved, Southwest and Delta have as far as I know always been consistently good. What does AA need to do to improve?
Better. Than. United.
UA still needs lots of improvement. I personally don't find anything too offensive these days with AA in comparison.
Sounds like the words of a loyal AA flier, whom I doubt ever steps foot on a UA aircraft. No way AA is better than UA at the moment. Nothing against AA, they're just in a downturn. They'll come out. Every airline goes through it.