QF157 didn't make it very far this evening!

SCFlyer wrote:

If OOL needs the extra capacity, the all Y A321neo with the LCC BoB service may suffice.

And if OOL-AKL really needs extra seats - theres nothing to stop JQ upgrading OOL-AKL to an A321.

If say in an years time you had NZ,VA,JQ all operating the below daily -
NZ A321NEO - 214Y
JQ A221 - 220U
VA 738 - 8J, 148Y

That would be 582 daily seats in Y, surely that would be more than enough to cover OOL-AKL-AKL daily demand?

Currently an average OOL-AKL Day is.
NZ A320CEO - 168Y
JQ A320CEO - 177Y
VA 738 - 8J, 148Y
DZ 12J, 365Y

Currently 858 Y seats on average between OOL-AKL, although some of those AKL-OOL seats will be used by passengers onwards to KUL.

I make no comment with the exception that the attached link is interesting figures on tourism throughout Australia https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-10/ ... s/10482502
.

TN486 wrote:

I make no comment with the exception that the attached link is interesting figures on tourism throughout Australia https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-10/ ... s/10482502
.

Seems some figures are all over the shop depending how you see them, however I understand the visitor spend is down. With a heap of new hotels coming online hotel prices have drop a lot which would contribute to that. During boom times hotels were charging an arm and a leg for rooms where now you can get bargains, which could account for that.

Plus international student numbers are down too which doesn't help but I will give WA gov points for trying to turn things around.

ZNG has had another test flight



https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/10 ... 7897241600

In VA's latest cadet program 56% of the intake are women, the airline had originally set a target of 50%

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/1 ... lf-female/

I have just read a very interesting article about a flight on REX (ZL) from Brisbane to Mount Isa. Was tempted to put it on Trip Reports but didnt dare. See attached.
http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/1 ... l-element/

Perth Airport reveals expansion plan which will be done in 2 phases

The first will include an addition of 3 gates to the International Terminal Pier along with a new domestic terminal for QF and completion planned for late 2024

The time frame for the second phase will be determined at a future date and is dependent on passenger growth and airline requirements

https://thewest.com.au/news/aviation/pe ... 881013601z

I'm not sure if it has already been mentioned but the other day (08/11) RW 01/19 at YBBN/BNE got redesignated RW 01R/19L in preparation for the parallel runway.

ATSB says a wind change led to a tail strike on a VA aircraft at AKL back in January

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/1 ... ailstrike/

Qantas16 wrote:

Looks like PX has leased an Icelandair 757 (likely to cover maintenance on its 767 fleet or the 737 that crashed)... TF-LLX currently operating PX1 POM-SYD.

Its covering for the crashed 737, here are some photos of it in SYD

https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/1 ... 4013432832

TN486 wrote:

I have just read a very interesting article about a flight on REX (ZL) from Brisbane to Mount Isa. Was tempted to put it on Trip Reports but didnt dare. See attached.
http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/1 ... l-element/

I recall reading an outstanding trip report on this website from maybe 5 years ago when Skytrans operated this route. A search should bring it up, it's well worth reading if you are interested.

qf789 wrote:

Perth Airport reveals expansion plan which will be done in 2 phases

The first will include an addition of 3 gates to the International Terminal Pier along with a new domestic terminal for QF and completion planned for late 2024

The time frame for the second phase will be determined at a future date and is dependent on passenger growth and airline requirements

https://thewest.com.au/news/aviation/pe ... 881013601z

Three extra gates
Talk about scaling back each time

Next one im expecting undercover walk way

Perth announcement not exactly surprising.
Qantas wouldn't have spent the money on domestic business and international lounge if only lasting a few years

qf789 wrote:

Qantas16 wrote:

Looks like PX has leased an Icelandair 757 (likely to cover maintenance on its 767 fleet or the 737 that crashed)... TF-LLX currently operating PX1 POM-SYD.

Its covering for the crashed 737, here are some photos of it in SYD

https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/1 ... 4013432832

B747 'Jumbo', A380 'Whale' - I've always thought the 757 should be known as the 'Goanna' with a chin like that.

Wet-lease crew must be loving the Port Moresby warmth. Night life reputation, not so much.

moa999 wrote:

Perth announcement not exactly surprising.
Qantas wouldn't have spent the money on domestic business and international lounge if only lasting a few years

Hope we finally see some common sense following this announcement and PER-JNB goes ahead once the 737 pilot issues release a few 330 frames back.

RyanairGuru wrote:

TN486 wrote:

I have just read a very interesting article about a flight on REX (ZL) from Brisbane to Mount Isa. Was tempted to put it on Trip Reports but didnt dare. See attached.
http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/1 ... l-element/

I recall reading an outstanding trip report on this website from maybe 5 years ago when Skytrans operated this route. A search should bring it up, it's well worth reading if you are interested.

Thank you, I found it. Was a top notch TR. Those floods were something. cheers

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Perth Airport reveals expansion plan which will be done in 2 phases

The first will include an addition of 3 gates to the International Terminal Pier along with a new domestic terminal for QF and completion planned for late 2024

The time frame for the second phase will be determined at a future date and is dependent on passenger growth and airline requirements

https://thewest.com.au/news/aviation/pe ... 881013601z

Three extra gates
Talk about scaling back each time

Next one im expecting undercover walk way

3 gates is probably all they need to add for the the moment, with 6 gates 50-55 now with bridges adding another 3 grows international by 50%. In the master plan they were planning on taking out gate 55 to start a satellite terminal dubbed T5 which was suppose to take the number of widebody gates to 14 but this was expected to be by around 2030 at the earliest. They may have also left an option where the QF domestic terminal will be built that they include 2 or 3 swing gates closest to the International pier so that may add some more potential capacity

CX plans to operate A359 to SYD once daily from 27 Oct 19

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 2444208129

qf789 wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Perth Airport reveals expansion plan which will be done in 2 phases

The first will include an addition of 3 gates to the International Terminal Pier along with a new domestic terminal for QF and completion planned for late 2024

The time frame for the second phase will be determined at a future date and is dependent on passenger growth and airline requirements

https://thewest.com.au/news/aviation/pe ... 881013601z

Three extra gates
Talk about scaling back each time

Next one im expecting undercover walk way

3 gates is probably all they need to add for the the moment, with 6 gates 50-55 now with bridges adding another 3 grows international by 50%. In the master plan they were planning on taking out gate 55 to start a satellite terminal dubbed T5 which was suppose to take the number of widebody gates to 14 but this was expected to be by around 2030 at the earliest. They may have also left an option where the QF domestic terminal will be built that they include 2 or 3 swing gates closest to the International pier so that may add some more potential capacity

Only thing i did notice was along those gates 50-55, there seems to be boxes on the outside. Could it be we finally get rid of those damn stairs down to aircraft? With a angled walkway?

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

Three extra gates
Talk about scaling back each time

Next one im expecting undercover walk way

3 gates is probably all they need to add for the the moment, with 6 gates 50-55 now with bridges adding another 3 grows international by 50%. In the master plan they were planning on taking out gate 55 to start a satellite terminal dubbed T5 which was suppose to take the number of widebody gates to 14 but this was expected to be by around 2030 at the earliest. They may have also left an option where the QF domestic terminal will be built that they include 2 or 3 swing gates closest to the International pier so that may add some more potential capacity

Only thing i did notice was along those gates 50-55, there seems to be boxes on the outside. Could it be we finally get rid of those damn stairs down to aircraft? With a angled walkway?

Yes that is what is stated in the article

“There will also be new airline lounges which have better views and are closer to boarding gates.”
“Our aim is to provide smoother movement of passengers from kerbside to flight gate. We’ll be looking at the latest biometrics technology to help create this seamless passenger experience.
“It’s also a great opportunity to fix some of the issues with the current international terminal layout including bringing the lounges and retail areas together for a better customer experience and doing away with the need for passengers to traverse multiple flights of stairs to reach their flight.”

https://thewest.com.au/news/aviation/pe ... 881013601z

Going off the pictures included Gates 51-55 will still remain as a single bridge while the new 3 gates will be dual bridge. I am pretty sure that gate 50 you dont have to walk down stairs to get to the aircraft

Re PER, two questions.
- As many of you will know, PER international doesn't really have walled off gates with designating separate seating /security (what you would see in the middle east or se asia). Is this the case in other australian international terminals?
- On another WA forum, someone has suggested that the upper departures level could be made into lounge space / observation deck or something (though there already is an observation deck higher up). Departures could be brought down to the same level as arrivals on level 1. This would eliminate the need for angled walkways. This sort of change sounds pretty significant - does anyone here think it is likely? Would be better than having angled walkways.

Way too expensive with Australia labour rates due to the need for security at every gate. Even the new Singapore T4 has separate arrivals/departures and centralised security.

TN486 wrote:

I have just read a very interesting article about a flight on REX (ZL) from Brisbane to Mount Isa. Was tempted to put it on Trip Reports but didnt dare. See attached.
http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/1 ... l-element/

Fantastic article - thanks for posting here (I would have otherwise missed it).

Interestingly it says that the Saabs have 10-15 more years at REX, so no plans to replace soon. I wonder how long they can keep a turboprop going? If a MD80 can go for 50+ years could a turboprop? It will of course come down to MX cost vs CX replacement and given REX seems to be run (safely) on tight margins id expect them to keep them as long as the MX lets them?

Samoa Airways have started APW-BNE today as OL843/844 and is expected to arrive in BNE around an hour early with their 738. Good luck to BNE and OL and hopefully it is a success!

Qantas has today announced some substantial changes to their NT operations, including:

* new 2x weekly services for AYQ-ADL and AYQ-DRW;
* ASP-DRW services upgauging to B737;
* reduction of PER-ASP to 2x weekly;
* QantasLink CNS-DRW and CNS-ASP services ceasing;
* JQ to serve CNS-DRW daily in peak periods; and
* PER-DRW to be served daily year-round, i.e. no more peak period QF800/801.

All changes come into effect at the end of March 2019.

Alice Springs will also be added to QF's residents' discounted fare program, for flights to DRW only.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... k-changes/

Given the recent theme on this thread of celebrating anniversaries, I thought I'd mention that Tomorrow, 14 November, marks one year since JQ recommenced HBA-ADL. It's a pity the service remains at three per week only and does not operate for the anniversary.

DeltaB717 wrote:

Qantas has today announced some substantial changes to their NT operations, including:

* new 2x weekly services for AYQ-ADL and AYQ-DRW;
* ASP-DRW services upgauging to B737;
* reduction of PER-ASP to 2x weekly;
* QantasLink CNS-DRW and CNS-ASP services ceasing;
* JQ to serve CNS-DRW daily in peak periods; and
* PER-DRW to be served daily year-round, i.e. no more peak period QF800/801.

All changes come into effect at the end of March 2019.

Alice Springs will also be added to QF's residents' discounted fare program, for flights to DRW only.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... k-changes/

Very interesting, thanks DeltaB717. The 737 pilot issue would appear to be resolved by NS2019. Where the 717s get redeployed will also be interesting.

It looks like the delivery of ZNG has been pushed back 7 days, though this is subject to change

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19

TasFlyer wrote:

DeltaB717 wrote:

Qantas has today announced some substantial changes to their NT operations, including:

* new 2x weekly services for AYQ-ADL and AYQ-DRW;
* ASP-DRW services upgauging to B737;
* reduction of PER-ASP to 2x weekly;
* QantasLink CNS-DRW and CNS-ASP services ceasing;
* JQ to serve CNS-DRW daily in peak periods; and
* PER-DRW to be served daily year-round, i.e. no more peak period QF800/801.

All changes come into effect at the end of March 2019.

Alice Springs will also be added to QF's residents' discounted fare program, for flights to DRW only.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... k-changes/

Very interesting, thanks DeltaB717. The 737 pilot issue would appear to be resolved by NS2019. Where the 717s get redeployed will also be interesting.

Or they could start repainting them, going off the 717's out of PER the current paint on them looks just very tired and worn to say the least

qf789 wrote:

It looks like the delivery of ZNG has been pushed back 7 days, though this is subject to change

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19

Going by the schedules it doesnt look like ZNG is required for international service until 1st December so delivery is probably not urgent.

After that it looks like ZNH needs to be ready for service by 13th December.

DeltaB717 wrote:

Qantas has today announced some substantial changes to their NT operations, including:

* new 2x weekly services for AYQ-ADL and AYQ-DRW;
* ASP-DRW services upgauging to B737;
* reduction of PER-ASP to 2x weekly;
* QantasLink CNS-DRW and CNS-ASP services ceasing;
* JQ to serve CNS-DRW daily in peak periods; and
* PER-DRW to be served daily year-round, i.e. no more peak period QF800/801.

All changes come into effect at the end of March 2019.

Alice Springs will also be added to QF's residents' discounted fare program, for flights to DRW only.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... k-changes/

Seems that these changes are related to the need to free up some 717s to cover the increase in FIFO charters/flights out of perth.

qf789 wrote:

TasFlyer wrote:

DeltaB717 wrote:

Qantas has today announced some substantial changes to their NT operations, including:

* new 2x weekly services for AYQ-ADL and AYQ-DRW;
* ASP-DRW services upgauging to B737;
* reduction of PER-ASP to 2x weekly;
* QantasLink CNS-DRW and CNS-ASP services ceasing;
* JQ to serve CNS-DRW daily in peak periods; and
* PER-DRW to be served daily year-round, i.e. no more peak period QF800/801.

All changes come into effect at the end of March 2019.

Alice Springs will also be added to QF's residents' discounted fare program, for flights to DRW only.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... k-changes/

Very interesting, thanks DeltaB717. The 737 pilot issue would appear to be resolved by NS2019. Where the 717s get redeployed will also be interesting.

Or they could start repainting them, going off the 717's out of PER the current paint on them looks just very tired and worn to say the least

Getting them in for repaints would be more than welcome at this point NXK, NXL & NXM aren’t the prettiest sights at the moment!

This frees up two full lines of flying - one at the CNS base and one at the DRW base - and a bit less than half a line at the PER base. What QF does with all that capacity remains to be seen, though my gut feel is some of the 125Y aircraft will come over to the east coast and be reconfigured to 12J/98Y. I think NXH will give us more of a clue when it finally comes back from mx in CBR (2.5 months now and counting!).

qf789 wrote:

It looks like the delivery of ZNG has been pushed back 7 days, though this is subject to change

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19

does this reflect any "problem" with ZNG?

TN486 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

It looks like the delivery of ZNG has been pushed back 7 days, though this is subject to change

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19

does this reflect any "problem" with ZNG?

Ultimately no, I believe the dates of that site are just estimates and are not the actual delivery dates set between the airline and Boeing.

Don't get me wrong, it is still a very good site with a ton of useful information.

VHZNE wrote:

TN486 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

It looks like the delivery of ZNG has been pushed back 7 days, though this is subject to change

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19

does this reflect any "problem" with ZNG?

Ultimately no, I believe the dates of that site are just estimates and are not the actual delivery dates set between the airline and Boeing.

Don't get me wrong, it is still a very good site with a ton of useful information.

There have been some production delays, such as engines (RR though this doesnt effect QF) and other supllier issues, FWIW ZNG spent a few days longer in final assembly compared to other 787's

QF2/12 November Diverted to BKK (scheduled to arrive into SIN 13Nov) diverted to BKK due medical.

qf789 wrote:

It looks like the delivery of ZNG has been pushed back 7 days, though this is subject to change

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19

ZNG currently en route PAE-MEL QF6026 due Thursday NOV 15 approx 1AM

VH-ZNG departing PAE on delivery to MEL, named Jillaroo, this name was not on the top 8 names previously announced last year





https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/10 ... 7514635264

Qantas has dialed back on the expectations of the Project Sunrise aircraft, being either the A350-1000 or 777X, citing that the previous statements that the aircraft needed to carry 300 passengers over 4 classes have now been changed to saying the flights will remain commercially viable but will not operate with a full passenger and cargo payload

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-ceo-dia ... pectations

qf789 wrote:

Qantas has dialed back on the expectations of the Project Sunrise aircraft, being either the A350-1000 or 777X, citing that the previous statements that the aircraft needed to carry 300 passengers over 4 classes have now been changed to saying the flights will remain commercially viable but will not operate with a full passenger and cargo payload

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-ceo-dia ... pectations

Wonder if they have crunched the numbers and gone, not going to make as much as we thought?

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Qantas has dialed back on the expectations of the Project Sunrise aircraft, being either the A350-1000 or 777X, citing that the previous statements that the aircraft needed to carry 300 passengers over 4 classes have now been changed to saying the flights will remain commercially viable but will not operate with a full passenger and cargo payload

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-ceo-dia ... pectations

Wonder if they have crunched the numbers and gone, not going to make as much as we thought?

More likely is that Airbus and Boeing said they don't have the current technology to fly so many pax so far and aren't prepared to spend the development dollars necessary to do so given small ULR market. I think we can safely say dreams of in-flight gyms etc are also now in the waste-bin.

If you cant get new services might as well change your logo

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/per ... 6696457001

Seems like half of Melbourne is covered in Virgin AUS -> NZ advertisements promoting their trans-tasman all inclusive offering.

Article re VA's commitment to SWZ.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/11/virgin-australia-committed-to-western-sydney-airport/

No surprises regarding VA's sentiment, but the article itself gives a neat summary of the airport's development progress / timeline for anyone that may be interested. I think some local plane spotters may turn 'dozer spotters for a bit.

The article mentions the runway length, at 3700m. I read somewhere recently that this will be the second longest runway in the country, behind SYD's 34L / 16R. Is that correct?

ben175 wrote:

Seems like half of Melbourne is covered in Virgin AUS -> NZ advertisements promoting their trans-tasman all inclusive offering.

Sydney as well. In saying that there's a few marketing campaigns going at the moment, namely NZ, EY and UA however not as prominent as VA, especially with that ugly font they use.

getluv wrote:

ben175 wrote:

Seems like half of Melbourne is covered in Virgin AUS -> NZ advertisements promoting their trans-tasman all inclusive offering.

Sydney as well. In saying that there's a few marketing campaigns going at the moment, namely NZ, EY and UA however not as prominent as VA, especially with that ugly font they use.

Even Auckland is covered in VA promotional campaigns - with the NZ > AUS all inclusive offering promo, its like on the side of every second bus in Auckland and even the screens in the work lift are playing the VA adds.

This Tasman rebuild campaign must not be coming in cheap, hope it pays off for them.

Interesting article on Newcastle Airports international service.

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5759 ... 73#slide=3

waoz1 wrote:

If you cant get new services might as well change your logo

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/per ... 6696457001

What are you trying to get at? I think its a good move, they have just released something more concrete on the airport expansion plans plus there has been quite a bit of focus on Perth Airport on being the hub for WA and with the launch of PER-LHR there has been more of a focus on visitors visiting regional areas of which the new logo represents.

qf789 wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

If you cant get new services might as well change your logo

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/per ... 6696457001

What are you trying to get at? I think its a good move, they have just released something more concrete on the airport expansion plans plus there has been quite a bit of focus on Perth Airport on being the hub for WA and with the launch of PER-LHR there has been more of a focus on visitors visiting regional areas of which the new logo represent

Plan has changed how many times and we ever had anything done on time? Changing a logo doesnt really achieve anything, people honestly wouldnt care.

I got to the point i believe it when i see it.