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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:19 pm

aerohottie wrote:
kriskim wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:

It's unlikely to be FJ930/931 as the timings do not easily integrate with the A330 schedule and the current schedule does not facilitate onward connections to anywhere other than a couple of islands. The flight is therefore almost exclusively focussed on NAN-MEL O&D which is a smaller market than SYD and BNE.

The first priority is surely going to be to increase FJ921/920 to an A330 year round.


From April FJ will be introducing new morning flights from MEL:

FJ934 MEL 11:50 - 06:40 NAN 737 46
FJ935 NAN 07:00 - 10:50 MEL 737 46

Those timings can't be right, are they?

Maybe they're
FJ934 MEL 11:50 - 18:40 NAN 737 46
FJ935 NAN 07:00 - 10:50 MEL 737 46


Yes, was in a rush, forgot to change the 06:40PM to 18:40!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:25 pm

aerohottie wrote:
kriskim wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:

It's unlikely to be FJ930/931 as the timings do not easily integrate with the A330 schedule and the current schedule does not facilitate onward connections to anywhere other than a couple of islands. The flight is therefore almost exclusively focussed on NAN-MEL O&D which is a smaller market than SYD and BNE.

The first priority is surely going to be to increase FJ921/920 to an A330 year round.


From April FJ will be introducing new morning flights from MEL:

FJ934 MEL 11:50 - 06:40 NAN 737 46
FJ935 NAN 07:00 - 10:50 MEL 737 46

Those timings can't be right, are they?

Maybe they're
FJ934 MEL 11:50 - 18:40 NAN 737 46
FJ935 NAN 07:00 - 10:50 MEL 737 46

A 7AM departure from NAN will mean anyone staying on an island will need to spend their last night at an airport hotel near the airport and get up at 3:30AM. Those staying on the Coral Coast will need to be out of their room at around 3AM!!! VA still has the most social flight times.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:27 pm

kriskim wrote:
aerohottie wrote:
kriskim wrote:

From April FJ will be introducing new morning flights from MEL:

FJ934 MEL 11:50 - 06:40 NAN 737 46
FJ935 NAN 07:00 - 10:50 MEL 737 46

Those timings can't be right, are they?

Maybe they're
FJ934 MEL 11:50 - 18:40 NAN 737 46
FJ935 NAN 07:00 - 10:50 MEL 737 46


Yes, was in a rush, forgot to change the 06:40PM to 18:40!


Interesting. Days 4 and 6 are the two days that FJ920/921 NAN-BNE doesn't operate so that makes a daily schedule for one frame. Upgrading 5x BNE and 2x MEL to an A330 seems like a very logical/possible move. BNE is already an A330 seasonally, although I use the word seasonally in the losest possible sense as it seems to be completely random!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:41 pm

Domestic Growth at Perth Airport is really firing along up 4.6% in September and 5.5% in October, meanwhile International growth continues to decline at around 3.5% in both months.

https://www.perthairport.com.au/Home/co ... statistics
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:44 pm

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Jetstar Japan will take delivery of 3 A321neoLR's from 2020, these frames are on top of the 18 A321neoLR's JQ will be taking and are also likely from the 99 A320neo family order book under the QF Group

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 20-453960/


I thought Jetstar Japan already had plans in place to increase their fleet to thirty aircraft. I wonder if these aircraft are in addition to the previously planned fleet of thirty!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:45 pm

kriskim wrote:
aerohottie wrote:
kriskim wrote:

From April FJ will be introducing new morning flights from MEL:

FJ934 MEL 11:50 - 06:40 NAN 737 46
FJ935 NAN 07:00 - 10:50 MEL 737 46

Those timings can't be right, are they?

Maybe they're
FJ934 MEL 11:50 - 18:40 NAN 737 46
FJ935 NAN 07:00 - 10:50 MEL 737 46


Yes, was in a rush, forgot to change the 06:40PM to 18:40!


Are these flights in addition to FJ’s regular MEL schedule?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:51 pm

I really really hope NH to PER actually materialises. Working in tourism focused retail in MEL, I’ve seen the number of Japanese tourists absolutely skyrocket since JL and QF launched direct services.

I wonder if it would be worth teaming up with VA for connections to places like BME.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:12 am

QF742 wrote:
kriskim wrote:
aerohottie wrote:
Those timings can't be right, are they?

Maybe they're
FJ934 MEL 11:50 - 18:40 NAN 737 46
FJ935 NAN 07:00 - 10:50 MEL 737 46


Yes, was in a rush, forgot to change the 06:40PM to 18:40!


Are these flights in addition to FJ’s regular MEL schedule?


Days 46 move to the new schedule, whilst the other days stay the same, there is no change in frequency.

FJ934/935: Days 46
FJ930/931: Days 12357

ben175 wrote:
I really really hope NH to PER actually materialises. Working in tourism focused retail in MEL, I’ve seen the number of Japanese tourists absolutely skyrocket since JL and QF launched direct services.

I wonder if it would be worth teaming up with VA for connections to places like BME.


The new flights have been a blessing for MEL, especially the sudden increase in flights between Melbourne and Japan. JALPAK has been pushing hard since launch to market Melbourne to the Japanese market and it has definitely paid off for JL's new services, which IMHO is the best way to fly to Japan.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:57 am

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Domestic Growth at Perth Airport is really firing along up 4.6% in September and 5.5% in October, meanwhile International growth continues to decline at around 3.5% in both months.

https://www.perthairport.com.au/Home/co ... statistics


Those figures are hardly surprising. On the domestic figures they are probably a little high when you take into account all the extra flights were put on between PER & MEL due to the AFL Grand Final. However saying that most of that domestic growth is from regional services, over the past few months I have noticed that there are more larger aircraft operating on routes such as PER-ZNE, PER-PHE, PER-KTA, PER-KGI and the BITRE figures have also shown that these routes have seen quite healthy increases in passenger numbers and LF on some of these routes are now nudging close to 70% which hasn't been seen for a long time. Of the total increase of roughly 45,000 passengers for October the new seasonal PER-HBA accounted for about 8-9% of those passenger numbers as well.

Regarding the international numbers for October I would think once you take into account that EY pulled out on the 1st October the numbers for October are not so bad. We have seen for November airlines trim schedules to adjust for the seasonal change, EK has reduced their 77W service to 4 weekly, MK has reduced from 3 weekly to 2 weekly, CX has cancelled at least 1 service a week and Batik Air has finally come to their senses and reduced double daily flights to a daily flight. It has only been probably in the past week or so that LF's out of PER have increased as we move towards the busy holiday period.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:03 am

TasFlyer wrote:
QF to increase HBA-SYD by three flights per week from April 1; seats go on sale Monday.

SYD-HBA 1345-1545 145
HBA-SYD 1625-???? 145

The services will provide better connections to the US and Asia.

No word yet on aircraft type, but given the announcement quotes 34,000 extra seats per year, a back-of-the-envelope calculation gives 34,000 seats per year divided by 52 weeks per year divided by 3 flights per week divided by 2 to account for inbound/outbound gives 109 seats per trip, so my guess is these services will be operated by 717s redeployed from DRW.


A slight correction to this: the equipment is confirmed as 717; and there is also a Sunday service which is actually a downguage from the present 73H service, but we're still well up on the deal with total seats per week. The schedule effective March 31 is as follows:

SYD-HBA QF1587 1355-1555 1..45.7
HBA-SYD QF1586 1635-1825 1..45.7

I was expecting to also see additional 717 services on SYD-MCY and MEL-MCY given these three routes have been the star performers for some time now in terms of growth for those routes not coming off a small base, but nothing has been loaded yet.

In time we'll see if these services are operated by 717s redeployed from DRW/CNS, or just a rejigged schedule with the existing East Coast subfleet.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:09 am

qf789 wrote:

Of the total increase of roughly 45,000 passengers for October the new seasonal PER-HBA accounted for about 8-9% of those passenger numbers as well.


PER-HBA is year-round, not seasonal.

It's good to see Tasmania is propping up Western Australia's economy ;)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:55 am

BNE has recently seen the arrival of PAE 757F to BNE which means international freight flights to China will start next month.
This is BNE'S 5th new airline this year.
Hevilift and Pionair (Fifo),Malaysia and Samoa(int pax) and PAE (Int freight)

Plus new airline and destination to hopefully be announced tomorrow or next few days!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:00 am

Last QF 744 service to LAX (ex BNE) operated yesterday and last 744 to HKG (ex SYD) will depart tomorrow. After this, LAX will be 388 and 789 only, and HKG will be a mix of 388, 333, 332 and 789.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:35 am

Re those PER domestic figures. Are the discounted fares QF provides on the WA regionals bearing fruit?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:41 am

TN486 wrote:
Re those PER domestic figures. Are the discounted fares QF provides on the WA regionals bearing fruit?


Doubt they are having that much impact your talking about 60,000 more pax each month, more a big pick up in Mining traffic - mining downturn has finally bottomed out and picking up again with BHP, Rio and Fortescue all announcing new Iron Ore mines in the last 12 months along with a big increase in Lithium mining.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:49 pm

TN486 wrote:
Re those PER domestic figures. Are the discounted fares QF provides on the WA regionals bearing fruit?


Actually, yes. QF has extended the discount to other regional centres. Significant increases on PER-BME, to name one.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:54 am

I see the PM is in Argentina and arrived on the RAAF 737. When will the new VIP A330 be ready? Surely the 737 would have had to have made a few stops to make that trip.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:36 am

Alliance Air operated an F70 CBR-GLT as QQ562. Had this been CBR-ROK I would have immediately assumed Defence charter, but can anyone shed any light on purpose of this flight?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:41 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
Alliance Air operated an F70 CBR-GLT as QQ562. Had this been CBR-ROK I would have immediately assumed Defence charter, but can anyone shed any light on purpose of this flight?


Probably taking some fire fighters up to help with the bush fires in that area.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:53 am

jupiter2 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Alliance Air operated an F70 CBR-GLT as QQ562. Had this been CBR-ROK I would have immediately assumed Defence charter, but can anyone shed any light on purpose of this flight?


Probably taking some fire fighters up to help with the bush fires in that area.


Source: https://www.crookwellgazette.com.au/sto ... oy-to-qld/

Yes, this is right. From the article: “This morning, 33 volunteer firefighters from our neighbouring district (Lake George Zone) departed Canberra airport bound for Gladstone, QLD to assist with the firefighting effort over the next few days,” Mr Osborne said. Currently there are a total of 208 personnel, 24 appliances and vehicles and 8 aircraft deployed from NSW and ACT to Queensland.”

I also saw dozens of firies at SYD earlier in the week departing for interstate to assist in the firefighting efforts in Queensland. :thumbsup:
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:12 am

Hi everyone,

My boss is travelling in the next couple of days on the PER-MEL leg of QF10 and he's raised a question which my Friday afternoon brain just cannot give an answer to.

Hypothetical situation is that his mate who looks very similar to him, boards QF10 in London having passed through immigration. UK is quite happy to see him leave, but he's the sort of person who wouldn't pass immigration/security in Melbourne.

This gentleman lands in Perth, waits in transit then boards again for the domestic leg. Meanwhile, my boss simply shows a boarding pass and drivers licence or other photo ID and also boards as a purely domestic passenger. No record is kept of the drivers licence details.

The hypothetical question is: what stops them swapping passport/licence and boarding passes while on the plane? Ie, the person who wouldn't pass security in Melbourne will simply show the drivers licence, as if they've only come from Perth. The person who actually came from Perth shows the other person's licence (rather than passport) and exits as if they've only done the domestic leg too. Obviously the number of people scanned in and out won't match, but by the time this is noticed, both men are long gone.

My first impression is that those people arriving on QF10 LHR-PER would have to pass immigration in Perth, before they have the chance to meet on the plane again. However, he's swearing that no immigration is done in PER on this flight.

Can anyone provide the answer? I'm sorry for the guaranteed rolling of eyes this is going to trigger for some readers. I know I'm missing something, just not sure what it is.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:22 am

Not sure if already posted, but another TT A320 has made the jump to VARA - this time it's VH-VNP.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:47 am

VapourTrails wrote:
jupiter2 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Alliance Air operated an F70 CBR-GLT as QQ562. Had this been CBR-ROK I would have immediately assumed Defence charter, but can anyone shed any light on purpose of this flight?


Probably taking some fire fighters up to help with the bush fires in that area.


Source: https://www.crookwellgazette.com.au/sto ... oy-to-qld/

Yes, this is right. From the article: “This morning, 33 volunteer firefighters from our neighbouring district (Lake George Zone) departed Canberra airport bound for Gladstone, QLD to assist with the firefighting effort over the next few days,” Mr Osborne said. Currently there are a total of 208 personnel, 24 appliances and vehicles and 8 aircraft deployed from NSW and ACT to Queensland.”

I also saw dozens of firies at SYD earlier in the week departing for interstate to assist in the firefighting efforts in Queensland. :thumbsup:


You can add Victorian CFA Volunteers to that as well, flew up on Qantas I believe, RFS NSW has been using the same F70 aswell.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:53 am

D7A330 wrote:
Not sure if already posted, but another TT A320 has made the jump to VARA - this time it's VH-VNP.


The A320 is the creeping F100 replacement in the WA mining sector. What is its key attributes that make it a better candidate for this role than 73H?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:07 am

It's (A320) performance is better in hot and high conditions on short runways.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:28 am

qf744fan wrote:
Hi everyone,

My boss is travelling in the next couple of days on the PER-MEL leg of QF10 and he's raised a question which my Friday afternoon brain just cannot give an answer to.

Hypothetical situation is that his mate who looks very similar to him, boards QF10 in London having passed through immigration. UK is quite happy to see him leave, but he's the sort of person who wouldn't pass immigration/security in Melbourne.

This gentleman lands in Perth, waits in transit then boards again for the domestic leg. Meanwhile, my boss simply shows a boarding pass and drivers licence or other photo ID and also boards as a purely domestic passenger. No record is kept of the drivers licence details.

The hypothetical question is: what stops them swapping passport/licence and boarding passes while on the plane? Ie, the person who wouldn't pass security in Melbourne will simply show the drivers licence, as if they've only come from Perth. The person who actually came from Perth shows the other person's licence (rather than passport) and exits as if they've only done the domestic leg too. Obviously the number of people scanned in and out won't match, but by the time this is noticed, both men are long gone.

My first impression is that those people arriving on QF10 LHR-PER would have to pass immigration in Perth, before they have the chance to meet on the plane again. However, he's swearing that no immigration is done in PER on this flight.

Can anyone provide the answer? I'm sorry for the guaranteed rolling of eyes this is going to trigger for some readers. I know I'm missing something, just not sure what it is.


The domestic leg of the QF10 is still considered an international flight and you are considered to be in “transit”. Domestic only passengers will have boarding passes clearly identified that they’re domestic only travellers when they’re arriving in Melbourne to clear immigration.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:25 am

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/1 ... australia/

A very interesting article relative to Embraer's history in Australia. Masling Snr and Jnr were instrumental in getting "the bandit" into this country as it was seen as a good fit. A part of Australia's aviation history at its best.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:36 am

Rolling of the eyes!! Nah, us Aussies can roll with the punches. I had a school principal many years ago tell me that "inquisitiveness", however strange the question may seem, should be actively encouraged to ensure the clear workings of the mind and the brain. It has worked for me (I think!!). Was your comment really hypothetical or should we be calling the troops out to watch for an errant Englishman!!!!!!!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:46 pm

tullamarine wrote:
D7A330 wrote:
Not sure if already posted, but another TT A320 has made the jump to VARA - this time it's VH-VNP.


The A320 is the creeping F100 replacement in the WA mining sector. What is its key attributes that make it a better candidate for this role than 73H?


I’d guess supply of cheap unwanted aircraft.

Unwanted by virgin and Jetstar.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:22 pm

TN486 wrote:
Rolling of the eyes!! Nah, us Aussies can roll with the punches. I had a school principal many years ago tell me that "inquisitiveness", however strange the question may seem, should be actively encouraged to ensure the clear workings of the mind and the brain. It has worked for me (I think!!). Was your comment really hypothetical or should we be calling the troops out to watch for an errant Englishman!!!!!!!


More a paranoid boss not trusting potential loopholes on security. He apparently does have a mate who looks similar, while he himself has a couple of passports. Boarding passes are labelled, but they'd be swapped onboard, along with ID docs
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:56 pm

Sorry to offend our more jingoistic antipodean friends as I know how much it irks you when we English dare to ask questions as can be seen above, but I'm looking at another Australia trip in February and want to do some travelling around. A shame how a vocal few insecure people spoil it for the rest of you can give you a bad rep.

Can anyone confirm which airlines still have a 2 person in the cockpit rule? It's not the most reassuring that no IDs are checked on domestics and all liquids are allowed but I'm hoping they at least have a two person rule at the airlines.

Cons anyone confirm which airlines to take?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:57 pm

qf744fan wrote:
TN486 wrote:
Rolling of the eyes!! Nah, us Aussies can roll with the punches. I had a school principal many years ago tell me that "inquisitiveness", however strange the question may seem, should be actively encouraged to ensure the clear workings of the mind and the brain. It has worked for me (I think!!). Was your comment really hypothetical or should we be calling the troops out to watch for an errant Englishman!!!!!!!


More a paranoid boss not trusting potential loopholes on security. He apparently does have a mate who looks similar, while he himself has a couple of passports. Boarding passes are labelled, but they'd be swapped onboard, along with ID docs


Don't tell him that they rarely check ID on domestics and allow liquids unrestricted onboard and that not all airport staff with access to airside are security searched to get into work like every day in addition to needing a security pass as they are here in the UK.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:05 pm

qf744fan wrote:
TN486 wrote:
Rolling of the eyes!! Nah, us Aussies can roll with the punches. I had a school principal many years ago tell me that "inquisitiveness", however strange the question may seem, should be actively encouraged to ensure the clear workings of the mind and the brain. It has worked for me (I think!!). Was your comment really hypothetical or should we be calling the troops out to watch for an errant Englishman!!!!!!!


More a paranoid boss not trusting potential loopholes on security. He apparently does have a mate who looks similar, while he himself has a couple of passports. Boarding passes are labelled, but they'd be swapped onboard, along with ID docs


When his mate goes through SmartGate, and gets knocked back because his iris isn't similar, then I'm sure they can be inquisitive about being deported together in immigration detention.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:10 pm

sevenair wrote:
Sorry to offend our more jingoistic antipodean friends as I know how much it irks you when we English dare to ask questions as can be seen above, but I'm looking at another Australia trip in February and want to do some travelling around. A shame how a vocal few insecure people spoil it for the rest of you can give you a bad rep.

Can anyone confirm which airlines still have a 2 person in the cockpit rule? It's not the most reassuring that no IDs are checked on domestics and all liquids are allowed but I'm hoping they at least have a two person rule at the airlines.

Cons anyone confirm which airlines to take?


I'm not sure about some regionals, but all the major airlines have a two person cockpit rule.

IDs are not checked on domestics because you're still going to land in Australia at the other end of the flight.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:36 pm

getluv wrote:
IDs are not checked on domestics because you're still going to land in Australia at the other end of the flight.


ID's are not checked for domestic flights, buses or trains in Australia. I don't understand countries where domestic air travel is treaded like an international/cross border flight.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:50 pm

We like to make sure that the person on the ticket is the person who is boarding the aircraft. Passengers are checked against no fly lists and internal airline specific no fly lists. If I'm on a terror watch list all I need to do is book, or get someone to book in a random name and fly. It may no be a national requirement but all major airlines check for ID on domestics as a whole or they check your ID if you've checked in a bag. Knowing who exactly on your aircraft is a step in the right direction.

For example if I'm an idiot who travels as part of a stag do UK domestic and I misbehave on the outbound, we will happily cancel the return and ban the passenger. All said idiot has to do is buy a new ticket under a new name and travel back home on the Sunday night with the rest of his group.

Checking IDs is an absolute winner. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:08 pm

qf744fan wrote:
The hypothetical question is: what stops them swapping passport/licence and boarding passes while on the plane?


I don’t quite understand, one of your two passengers is still travelling on the troublesome British identity and won’t be able to cross the border at MEL.

Also what you are describing is people smuggling and harbouring a non-citizen, both very serious offences punishable by 10+ years prison. If you are that desperate to get somebody into the country then there are easier ways (ie coming in by sea where immigration controls are basically based on a trust system).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:14 pm

qf002 wrote:
qf744fan wrote:
The hypothetical question is: what stops them swapping passport/licence and boarding passes while on the plane?


I don’t quite understand, one of your two passengers is still travelling on the troublesome British identity and won’t be able to cross the border at MEL.

Also what you are describing is people smuggling and harbouring a non-citizen, both very serious offences punishable by 10+ years prison. If you are that desperate to get somebody into the country then there are easier ways (ie coming in by sea where immigration controls are basically based on a trust system).


Also APP meant that person wouldn’t have been check in in LHR to start with.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:01 pm

Please continue discussion in December thread

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