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Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:38 pm

I've heard through the grapevine that Delta will be putting the A339 on SEA-Asia to start in July. However, I thought I read a while back that it was going to be used for Europe? Either way what do you think are possible routes DL will send them on?
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:50 pm

I think they will have too many unless they are starting 772 retirements. The A330ceo's aren't old enough to be retired and the 339 is too big to replace the 767. Even some Asia routes can only support a 767.

I have an uncle that is a hoarder. He says he just can't pass up a good deal. DL is the same with old generation and lackluster aircraft. It's not a good deal if you can't use it. Putting an A330 on something like TPA-AMS or JFK-STR will jist kill the route all together.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:54 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
I think they will have too many unless they are starting 772 retirements. The A330ceo's aren't old enough to be retired and the 339 is too big to replace the 767. Even some Asia routes can only support a 767.

I have an uncle that is a hoarder. He says he just can't pass up a good deal. DL is the same with old generation and lackluster aircraft. It's not a good deal if you can't use it. Putting an A330 on something like TPA-AMS or JFK-STR will jist kill the route all together.


Lacklustre aircraft? Baseless and naive assertion.

Also premature to talk about a route that has yet to start, or which originates in a market that manages to sustain multiple transatlantic flights on aircraft of comparable size to the A330.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:12 pm

When does Delta receive their first A330-900?
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:13 pm

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When does Delta receive their first A330-900?


April 2019.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:21 pm

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When does Delta receive their first A330-900?


April 2019.

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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:22 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
I think they will have too many unless they are starting 772 retirements. The A330ceo's aren't old enough to be retired and the 339 is too big to replace the 767. Even some Asia routes can only support a 767.

I have an uncle that is a hoarder. He says he just can't pass up a good deal. DL is the same with old generation and lackluster aircraft. It's not a good deal if you can't use it. Putting an A330 on something like TPA-AMS or JFK-STR will jist kill the route all together.

The A339 was never meant as the sole 767 replacement at DL. Yes, it will replace some of the 767s as certain routes that can support more lift are upgauged, however I can't imagine that DL has any intention of placing these aircraft on TPA-AMS or ATL-STR. DL has been fairly vocal on the NMA, and if Boeing does indeed launch it (and it's unclear if/when that will happen), DL will certainly be one of the very first customers for the aircraft. If it's built, the NMA will most certainly be the replacement for the bulk of DLs 767 fleet (and UAs and AAs).

As to lackluster aircraft, yes the A333 is a previous generation aircraft, but it's certainly not lackluster. It's DLs lowest CASM widebody. DL wouldn't have ordered more A333s (or the A339) if the aircraft was lackluster.

PotatoPappas wrote:
I've heard through the grapevine that Delta will be putting the A339 on SEA-Asia to start in July. However, I thought I read a while back that it was going to be used for Europe? Either way what do you think are possible routes DL will send them on?

The press release announcing DLs A339 order noted that it would be used to fly some SEA-Asia services along with Europe services, so it's not really surprising to hear this. I'd imagine it would go on SEA-NRT or SEA-ICN to start. It might even end up on LAX-HND.
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:26 pm

The current plan is to make 85% of West Coast-Asia A330NEO, A350, B777. I do believe you'll see them in SEA first. DL's 330NEO's will only hold 281.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:30 pm

I would think they they could be used on any of the transoceanic routes currently using A333.
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:35 pm

The SEA-NRT/ICN/AMS flights are right in the 339's sweet spot for range, so the SEA rumor isn't a surprise. Long enough that the advantage over the 333 becomes relevant, not long enough that the 359 does better.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them operating from ATL, both to South America and deep into Europe.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:49 pm

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The SEA-NRT/ICN/AMS flights are right in the 339's sweet spot for range, so the SEA rumor isn't a surprise. Long enough that the advantage over the 333 becomes relevant, not long enough that the 359 does better.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them operating from ATL, both to South America and deep into Europe.

SEA-NRT was originally scheduled for A359 service only from 3/1-3/31/19, then was quietly extended to the end of their schedule, so I'd be willing to bet that the A359 is just a placeholder and it'll be an early, if not the first DL A339 route. All other SEA/LAX intercontinental routes seem like fair game, and I wouldn't be surprised if they make their way to the East Coast eventually as well.
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:22 pm

I would definitely think a mixture of 764/76E routes, and a couple 77E routes, definitely on routes like LAX-CDG/AMS/etc.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:26 pm

It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian. Delta started service to some exotic places in Europe, the middle East, and Africa in 2006/2007. These days the only new service we see is to AMS, CDG. I guess the A330 fits the bill for hub to hub flying and the poor folks who now to double connect. Pathetic.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:29 pm

All four SEA-Asia routes (yes, there are only four) are currently operated with the 767 and some are not even daily so the 339 would be quite the increase in capacity. I'd be surprised if anything other than ICN could support a larger aircraft although NRT, of course, is being upgauged next year in order to better compete with the Japanese carriers. Will the 339's be equipped with the Delta One suites?
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:29 pm

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DL's 330NEO's will only hold 281.


So does this mean they will be getting D1 suites, Premium Select, Comfort Plus and regular coach? The initial press releases when the A339 was first ordered indicated the capacity would be around the same as the A333 at 293..and there have been rumblings that Comfort Plus will be coming back (in addition to PS)...
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:32 pm

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All four SEA-Asia routes (yes, there are only four) are currently operated with the 767


It will be back to five next April when SEA-KIX launches; DTW has only five Asia routes as well (NRT, NGO, ICN, PVG, and PEK).
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:47 pm

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It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian. Delta started service to some exotic places in Europe, the middle East, and Africa in 2006/2007. These days the only new service we see is to AMS, CDG. I guess the A330 fits the bill for hub to hub flying and the poor folks who now to double connect. Pathetic.


Double connecting - like pilot commuting - is a choice.

The idea that a 228-seat aircraft can only be replaced by a 228-seat aircraft is... dim.

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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:49 pm

I think theyll do DTW-NGO and GRU with the 339, because at least it can route something like ATL-GRU-DTW-NGO-DTW-GRU-ATL.
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:55 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
I think they will have too many unless they are starting 772 retirements. The A330ceo's aren't old enough to be retired and the 339 is too big to replace the 767. Even some Asia routes can only support a 767.

I have an uncle that is a hoarder. He says he just can't pass up a good deal. DL is the same with old generation and lackluster aircraft. It's not a good deal if you can't use it. Putting an A330 on something like TPA-AMS or JFK-STR will jist kill the route all together.



"Older and lackluster aircraft" that was the Anderson era (Not saying it was bad he did wonders for Delta). The Bastian era is much much different.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:57 pm

OA412 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
I think they will have too many unless they are starting 772 retirements. The A330ceo's aren't old enough to be retired and the 339 is too big to replace the 767. Even some Asia routes can only support a 767.

I have an uncle that is a hoarder. He says he just can't pass up a good deal. DL is the same with old generation and lackluster aircraft. It's not a good deal if you can't use it. Putting an A330 on something like TPA-AMS or JFK-STR will jist kill the route all together.

The A339 was never meant as the sole 767 replacement at DL. Yes, it will replace some of the 767s as certain routes that can support more lift are upgauged, however I can't imagine that DL has any intention of placing these aircraft on TPA-AMS or ATL-STR. DL has been fairly vocal on the NMA, and if Boeing does indeed launch it (and it's unclear if/when that will happen), DL will certainly be one of the very first customers for the aircraft. If it's built, the NMA will most certainly be the replacement for the bulk of DLs 767 fleet (and UAs and AAs).

As to lackluster aircraft, yes the A333 is a previous generation aircraft, but it's certainly not lackluster. It's DLs lowest CASM widebody. DL wouldn't have ordered more A333s (or the A339) if the aircraft was lackluster.

PotatoPappas wrote:
I've heard through the grapevine that Delta will be putting the A339 on SEA-Asia to start in July. However, I thought I read a while back that it was going to be used for Europe? Either way what do you think are possible routes DL will send them on?

The press release announcing DLs A339 order noted that it would be used to fly some SEA-Asia services along with Europe services, so it's not really surprising to hear this. I'd imagine it would go on SEA-NRT or SEA-ICN to start. It might even end up on LAX-HND.



I agree, I think it would do great on LAX-HND. Knowing Delta it didn't surprise me seeing SEA-Asia but it made me raise an eyebrow.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:59 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian. Delta started service to some exotic places in Europe, the middle East, and Africa in 2006/2007. These days the only new service we see is to AMS, CDG. I guess the A330 fits the bill for hub to hub flying and the poor folks who now to double connect. Pathetic.


Ugh. Delta...regressed...
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:02 pm

panamair wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
DL's 330NEO's will only hold 281.


So does this mean they will be getting D1 suites, Premium Select, Comfort Plus and regular coach? The initial press releases when the A339 was first ordered indicated the capacity would be around the same as the A333 at 293..and there have been rumblings that Comfort Plus will be coming back (in addition to PS)...



I'm positive the 330neos will have the suites. Bastian said in August he hopes (and this rather ambitious if you ask me) to have the entire widebody fleet minus the 763 flying with suites and PS by 2121, it didn't say anything about Comfort Plus.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:04 pm

PotatoPappas wrote:
panamair wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
DL's 330NEO's will only hold 281.


So does this mean they will be getting D1 suites, Premium Select, Comfort Plus and regular coach? The initial press releases when the A339 was first ordered indicated the capacity would be around the same as the A333 at 293..and there have been rumblings that Comfort Plus will be coming back (in addition to PS)...



I'm positive the 330neos will have the suites. Bastian said in August he hopes (and this rather ambitious if you ask me) to have the entire widebody fleet minus the 763 flying with suites and PS by 2121, it didn't say anything about Comfort Plus.


2121 is .... doable...
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:07 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian. Delta started service to some exotic places in Europe, the middle East, and Africa in 2006/2007. These days the only new service we see is to AMS, CDG. I guess the A330 fits the bill for hub to hub flying and the poor folks who now to double connect. Pathetic.



What's pathetic is this comment.... Yes... DL is the leading US airline and they went backward... Anderson saved Delta, and Bastian is taking them to the future. They will do what makes economic sense. Get your head out of the old days, they're done, look toward the future.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:08 pm

peanuts wrote:
PotatoPappas wrote:
panamair wrote:

So does this mean they will be getting D1 suites, Premium Select, Comfort Plus and regular coach? The initial press releases when the A339 was first ordered indicated the capacity would be around the same as the A333 at 293..and there have been rumblings that Comfort Plus will be coming back (in addition to PS)...



I'm positive the 330neos will have the suites. Bastian said in August he hopes (and this rather ambitious if you ask me) to have the entire widebody fleet minus the 763 flying with suites and PS by 2121, it didn't say anything about Comfort Plus.


2121 is .... doable...


2121 is going to be a stretch considering the size of their A330ceo fleet....
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:19 pm

PotatoPappas wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian. Delta started service to some exotic places in Europe, the middle East, and Africa in 2006/2007. These days the only new service we see is to AMS, CDG. I guess the A330 fits the bill for hub to hub flying and the poor folks who now to double connect. Pathetic.



What's pathetic is this comment.... Yes... DL is the leading US airline and they went backward... Anderson saved Delta, and Bastian is taking them to the future. They will do what makes economic sense. Get your head out of the old days, they're done, look toward the future.


While I think TTTiger's comment is melodramatic, I understand the underlying frustration with DL's international strategy. It is a bit sad to see UA and AA expand service to new and exciting destinations (PPT, AUK, DBV, MEL, TXL, BLQ, etc) while DL just adds more lift to JV partner hubs (AMS, CDG, LHR, ICN). I get that it is a sound strategy financially and has the airline making record profits. But you have to admit, it is quite boring and disappointing from an AV geeks perspective.
 
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:51 pm

I can see SEA-TL on a A339. Enough tech demand as well as tourism.
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:09 am

panamair wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
DL's 330NEO's will only hold 281.


So does this mean they will be getting D1 suites, Premium Select, Comfort Plus and regular coach? The initial press releases when the A339 was first ordered indicated the capacity would be around the same as the A333 at 293..and there have been rumblings that Comfort Plus will be coming back (in addition to PS)...

Yes. Comfort+ is coming back. The final configuration was sent out in a memo to the Pilot group.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:13 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
I think they will have too many unless they are starting 772 retirements. The A330ceo's aren't old enough to be retired and the 339 is too big to replace the 767. Even some Asia routes can only support a 767.

I have an uncle that is a hoarder. He says he just can't pass up a good deal. DL is the same with old generation and lackluster aircraft. It's not a good deal if you can't use it. Putting an A330 on something like TPA-AMS or JFK-STR will jist kill the route all together.


This has to be one of the most ridiculous post/comparisons I've ever read. DL isn't stupid. Of course they aren't going to put a 339 on JFK-STR or TPA-AMS. There are ample current flights as well as expansion. Maybe your uncle know better I guess. Has he applied for the CEO job at DL?
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:35 am

PotatoPappas wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian. Delta started service to some exotic places in Europe, the middle East, and Africa in 2006/2007. These days the only new service we see is to AMS, CDG. I guess the A330 fits the bill for hub to hub flying and the poor folks who now to double connect. Pathetic.



What's pathetic is this comment.... Yes... DL is the leading US airline and they went backward... Anderson saved Delta, and Bastian is taking them to the future. They will do what makes economic sense. Get your head out of the old days, they're done, look toward the future.


There's no need to make things up. Gerald Grinstein is the CEO that got Delta through bankruptcy and back to profitability. Anderson came after Delta emerged. Stop revising history to fit your agenda.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:37 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
PotatoPappas wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian. Delta started service to some exotic places in Europe, the middle East, and Africa in 2006/2007. These days the only new service we see is to AMS, CDG. I guess the A330 fits the bill for hub to hub flying and the poor folks who now to double connect. Pathetic.



What's pathetic is this comment.... Yes... DL is the leading US airline and they went backward... Anderson saved Delta, and Bastian is taking them to the future. They will do what makes economic sense. Get your head out of the old days, they're done, look toward the future.


There's no need to make things up. Gerald Grinstein is the CEO that got Delta through bankruptcy and back to profitability. Anderson came after Delta emerged. Stop revising history to fit your agenda.
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:00 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian. Delta started service to some exotic places in Europe, the middle East, and Africa in 2006/2007. These days the only new service we see is to AMS, CDG. I guess the A330 fits the bill for hub to hub flying and the poor folks who now to double connect. Pathetic.

Welcome to a.net and we can do without your constant b.s. and trolling.
 
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PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian. Delta started service to some exotic places in Europe, the middle East, and Africa in 2006/2007. These days the only new service we see is to AMS, CDG. I guess the A330 fits the bill for hub to hub flying and the poor folks who now to double connect. Pathetic.

Welcome to a.net and we can do without your constant b.s. and trolling.


Why is sharing an opinion trolling? My grandmother worked for Chicago & Southern Airlines and then Delta after they merged. You couldn't get any more opposite than DL and NW. I was sick to my stomach the day the merger was announced and the bad feeling has never left. I still have my Keep Delta My Delta button. That turned to be out an effort in vain.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:15 am

flymco753 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
PotatoPappas wrote:


What's pathetic is this comment.... Yes... DL is the leading US airline and they went backward... Anderson saved Delta, and Bastian is taking them to the future. They will do what makes economic sense. Get your head out of the old days, they're done, look toward the future.


There's no need to make things up. Gerald Grinstein is the CEO that got Delta through bankruptcy and back to profitability. Anderson came after Delta emerged. Stop revising history to fit your agenda.
NW is what got DL out of bankruptcy...



Honest question...How? When NW was in bankruptcy at the same time?
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:21 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian. Delta started service to some exotic places in Europe, the middle East, and Africa in 2006/2007. These days the only new service we see is to AMS, CDG. I guess the A330 fits the bill for hub to hub flying and the poor folks who now to double connect. Pathetic.


I wonder if some major event occurred during 2006 and 2018.... maybe an economic crisis.... some merger of sort....

Delta still runs routes like ATL-JNB. Give me a break, we don’t need another PanAm.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:31 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
PotatoPappas wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian. Delta started service to some exotic places in Europe, the middle East, and Africa in 2006/2007. These days the only new service we see is to AMS, CDG. I guess the A330 fits the bill for hub to hub flying and the poor folks who now to double connect. Pathetic.



What's pathetic is this comment.... Yes... DL is the leading US airline and they went backward... Anderson saved Delta, and Bastian is taking them to the future. They will do what makes economic sense. Get your head out of the old days, they're done, look toward the future.


There's no need to make things up. Gerald Grinstein is the CEO that got Delta through bankruptcy and back to profitability. Anderson came after Delta emerged. Stop revising history to fit your agenda.



My agenda? Who am I?? Trump? You're just another old man mad at the world because his airline was gobbled up. Anderson brought Delta to what it is today, the most profitable and best airline in the United States.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:38 am

PotatoPappas wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
PotatoPappas wrote:


What's pathetic is this comment.... Yes... DL is the leading US airline and they went backward... Anderson saved Delta, and Bastian is taking them to the future. They will do what makes economic sense. Get your head out of the old days, they're done, look toward the future.


There's no need to make things up. Gerald Grinstein is the CEO that got Delta through bankruptcy and back to profitability. Anderson came after Delta emerged. Stop revising history to fit your agenda.



My agenda? Who am I?? Trump? You're just another old man mad at the world because his airline was gobbled up. Anderson brought Delta to what it is today, the most profitable and best airline in the United States.


I'm not even 30. You said Anderson saved Delta. That isn't true no matter how you try and spin it.
 
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It's sad that Delta regressed so much under Anderson and Bastian.


I think they're doing just fine, lol.
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:19 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
PotatoPappas wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

There's no need to make things up. Gerald Grinstein is the CEO that got Delta through bankruptcy and back to profitability. Anderson came after Delta emerged. Stop revising history to fit your agenda.



My agenda? Who am I?? Trump? You're just another old man mad at the world because his airline was gobbled up. Anderson brought Delta to what it is today, the most profitable and best airline in the United States.


I'm not even 30. You said Anderson saved Delta. That isn't true no matter how you try and spin it.


IQ or age?

Lackluster aircraft...that commands a revenue premium over peers.

Regressed... into a successful, profitable airline with investment grade rating from S&P, Moodys etc...

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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:22 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
PotatoPappas wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

There's no need to make things up. Gerald Grinstein is the CEO that got Delta through bankruptcy and back to profitability. Anderson came after Delta emerged. Stop revising history to fit your agenda.



My agenda? Who am I?? Trump? You're just another old man mad at the world because his airline was gobbled up. Anderson brought Delta to what it is today, the most profitable and best airline in the United States.


I'm not even 30. You said Anderson saved Delta. That isn't true no matter how you try and spin it.


Ok take the old part out, you still come off as a man mad at the word. And I'm not talking about the 2004 era of Delta im talking 2007 and on, Anderson oversaw the turnaround at Delta and he was the perfect man for the job. He could've ran Delta right into the ground during the recession and a merger. He did the opposite and managed to make the airline profitable. So don`t sit there and say Anderson and Bastian are bad for Delta...
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:27 am

tlecam wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
PotatoPappas wrote:


My agenda? Who am I?? Trump? You're just another old man mad at the world because his airline was gobbled up. Anderson brought Delta to what it is today, the most profitable and best airline in the United States.


I'm not even 30. You said Anderson saved Delta. That isn't true no matter how you try and spin it.


IQ or age?

Lackluster aircraft...that commands a revenue premium over peers.

Regressed... into a successful, profitable airline with investment grade rating from S&P, Moodys etc...

I don’t think the words you’re using mean what you think they do.


I don't care about Delta's finances. I don't invest in airlines. The fact is that I no longer have as many non-stop international flights on Delta. I shouldn't have to connect in Europe. And many people now have to double connect. Previously you could fly something like MLB-ATL-AMM. Now you have to fly MLB-ATL-CDG-AMM. That is regressing in my opinion.

And the A330neo is a lackluster aircraft. The order book is dry and the lessors are spooked. Even Hawaiian who had pretty much kicked Boeing to the curb had to say enough is enough. It's the same thing that happens with the 757-300 and A340-500/600.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:39 am

PotatoPappas wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
PotatoPappas wrote:


My agenda? Who am I?? Trump? You're just another old man mad at the world because his airline was gobbled up. Anderson brought Delta to what it is today, the most profitable and best airline in the United States.


I'm not even 30. You said Anderson saved Delta. That isn't true no matter how you try and spin it.


Ok take the old part out, you still come off as a man mad at the word. And I'm not talking about the 2004 era of Delta im talking 2007 and on, Anderson oversaw the turnaround at Delta and he was the perfect man for the job. He could've ran Delta right into the ground during the recession and a merger. He did the opposite and managed to make the airline profitable. So don`t sit there and say Anderson and Bastian are bad for Delta...


There are photos of Gerald Grinstein ringing the bell at the NYSE the Delta emerged. I was in Atlanta the day Delta emerged from bankruptcy. I watched the 757 painted in the new colors make it's debut. It was all Grinstein and company. Anderson did not turn Delta around. He had no part in it. He merged two airline. That's it. He didn't have to bargain with employees and creditors. And he didn't have to fight off a hostile takeover. The Delta pilots came very close to going on strike in 2006. I was on the phone with an agent in tears because she thought that would be the end. Grinstein made a deal with the pilots and they made it through Ch 11. If you want to give credit to Anderson for the merger then that's fine but without Grinstein and Whitehust there would be no Delta. They did the hard work that was needed to turn Delta around. To try and revise history is a slap in the face to the people who worked so hard for two years.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:12 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
tlecam wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

I'm not even 30. You said Anderson saved Delta. That isn't true no matter how you try and spin it.


IQ or age?

Lackluster aircraft...that commands a revenue premium over peers.

Regressed... into a successful, profitable airline with investment grade rating from S&P, Moodys etc...

I don’t think the words you’re using mean what you think they do.


I don't care about Delta's finances. I don't invest in airlines. The fact is that I no longer have as many non-stop international flights on Delta. I shouldn't have to connect in Europe. And many people now have to double connect. Previously you could fly something like MLB-ATL-AMM. Now you have to fly MLB-ATL-CDG-AMM. That is regressing in my opinion.

And the A330neo is a lackluster aircraft. The order book is dry and the lessors are spooked. Even Hawaiian who had pretty much kicked Boeing to the curb had to say enough is enough. It's the same thing that happens with the 757-300 and A340-500/600.


Delta Air Lines, Inc. (NYSE: DAL) is a company, which means it exists to make profits. As a publicly traded company, CEO of Delta Air Lines, Inc. (hereinafter referred to as "DL") has foduciary duty to maximize profits. Current DL is making profits - and Anderson is duly performing his fiduciary duty to DL shareholders. Whether one (potential) passenger wishing to travel from one tiny obscure airport to another small obscure airport six thousands miles away can travel with only one connection is not part of fiduciary duty of a CEO of a publicly traded company.

Btw, by using TTailedTiger's logic, DL is obliged to fly CJJ(Cheongju, South Korea) to DTW and DTW to PDL routes and because I want to travel between CJJ and PDL and currently, only way between CJJ and PDL(Azores, Portugal) by using SkyTeam carriers is make six connections CJJ-CJU-NRT-DTW-JFK-CDG-LIS-PDL.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:13 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
tlecam wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

I'm not even 30. You said Anderson saved Delta. That isn't true no matter how you try and spin it.


IQ or age?

Lackluster aircraft...that commands a revenue premium over peers.

Regressed... into a successful, profitable airline with investment grade rating from S&P, Moodys etc...

I don’t think the words you’re using mean what you think they do.


I don't care about Delta's finances. I don't invest in airlines. The fact is that I no longer have as many non-stop international flights on Delta. I shouldn't have to connect in Europe. And many people now have to double connect. Previously you could fly something like MLB-ATL-AMM. Now you have to fly MLB-ATL-CDG-AMM. That is regressing in my opinion.

And the A330neo is a lackluster aircraft. The order book is dry and the lessors are spooked. Even Hawaiian who had pretty much kicked Boeing to the curb had to say enough is enough. It's the same thing that happens with the 757-300 and A340-500/600.


And you were probably paying double for that MLB-ATL-AMM than you are for that MLB-ATL-CDG-AMM flight. And do AA/UA fly to AMM since you're using that example? The A339 being lackluster is a matter of opinion, not fact.
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:31 am

yikes, and I thought klm617 was bad.

Remember when the mods would have either start deleting posts or locked this thread down and the troll booted a several posts ago? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
PotatoPappas wrote:
I've heard through the grapevine that Delta will be putting the A339 on SEA-Asia to start in July. However, I thought I read a while back that it was going to be used for Europe? Either way what do you think are possible routes DL will send them on?

solid prediction and that is what has been rumored. (Also hinted heavily why the 330 pilot base at SEA is still around)
It will be interesting to see if the IAF turning into a cluster will prevent it from happening or not.

seabosdca wrote:
The SEA-NRT/ICN/AMS flights are right in the 339's sweet spot for range, so the SEA rumor isn't a surprise. Long enough that the advantage over the 333 becomes relevant, not long enough that the 359 does better.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them operating from ATL, both to South America and deep into Europe.

I would think PVG and PEK would also do fine on the 339.
PotatoPappas wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
I think they will have too many unless they are starting 772 retirements. The A330ceo's aren't old enough to be retired and the 339 is too big to replace the 767. Even some Asia routes can only support a 767.

I have an uncle that is a hoarder. He says he just can't pass up a good deal. DL is the same with old generation and lackluster aircraft. It's not a good deal if you can't use it. Putting an A330 on something like TPA-AMS or JFK-STR will jist kill the route all together.



"Older and lackluster aircraft" that was the Anderson era (Not saying it was bad he did wonders for Delta). The Bastian era is much much different.

eh yes and no. I think we will see more focus on growing the international operation under Ed and Glen then we did with Richard but I don't think the 339/350 order would have gone any different had Ed been CEO.

for the first ~20-25 763s being replace the 339 will be a fine replacement. They can replace the 767s in Asia (or replace 333s to replace 767s in Asia, talking more beach flying) and replace some 764 flying which can then trickle down to replace 763 flying. It also goes along with the general upgauging plan the management team has been talking about. All of that, alone with US hub to CDG/AMS/LHR/FCO will give the 339s plenty of work to do while the 764/763 will continue to do thinner hub to spoke and new route flying.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:57 am

panamair wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
DL's 330NEO's will only hold 281.
So does this mean they will be getting D1 suites, Premium Select, Comfort Plus and regular coach?

IINM, aircraft with Premium Select won't feature Y+
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:27 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
I'm not even 30.


That much is clear to everyone in the forum.
There's a fine line between being technically correct and being a jerk.
Welcome to my ignored users list.
Happy posting!
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:39 am

n2dru wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

There's no need to make things up. Gerald Grinstein is the CEO that got Delta through bankruptcy and back to profitability. Anderson came after Delta emerged. Stop revising history to fit your agenda.
NW is what got DL out of bankruptcy...



Honest question...How? When NW was in bankruptcy at the same time?
Well, if you go to DTW & MSP theyll tell you one thing. ATL & SLC will say the other. At that point it's a measuring contest.
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:40 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
Previously you could fly something like MLB-ATL-AMM. Now you have to fly MLB-ATL-CDG-AMM. That is regressing in my opinion.


BTW, you may want to find another example, since you were never able to fly MLB-ATL-AMM. AMM was served out of JFK when DL flew it and there was certainly no nonstop on Delta from MLB to JFK...

Delta's 'exotic' cities across the Atlantic are/were flown mostly out of JFK, and JFK only has nonstop connections to just 40-50 other US cities, so many other US origin points still required a double-connect anyway.
 
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Re: Delta A330-900 routes

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:42 am

flymco753 wrote:
I think theyll do DTW-NGO and GRU with the 339, because at least it can route something like ATL-GRU-DTW-NGO-DTW-GRU-ATL.


Agreed.
Actually I understand DL has now upgauged it's JFK-GRU service from 763 to A333 having now 2 daily A333 services in/out GRU so I also think it's just a matter of time before seeing the A339 around GRU.

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