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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:01 pm

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Yup but capacity wise it's still (all Y) a big 40 seat drop give or take.However - the profitability will go off the charts with a 321 NEO.The Sfc must be circa 35% less I would have thought. It maybe that they accept that loss in pax volume - dunno the load factors.What they really need for these uk/continental flights is a stretched 321 ;-)


Overall capacity is up significantly despite the withdrawal of B767. You might get lower revenue on an A320/A321 but that's offset by a higher revenue on all remaining services. Passenger wise there's very few routes requiring 259 seater.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:12 pm

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BA will have to increase frequencies on domestic 767 operated routes, I bet LHR-FCO and LHR-IST cannot be covered with A321s with 767 frequencies... but do BA still have some slots at LHR?


LHR slots are repossessed by the slot controlling authority if they aren't used on at least 80% of the occasions they could have been. So BA can't hold slots they never fly. But there are domestic flights effectively operated as slot-sitters, and there's also the option of only scheduling a flight to operate 4 days out of 5, thus keeping within the 80% rule, with a differently timed slot covering the 5th day for 4 different services.
I doubt if BA care that their A321s carry a maximum of 218 passengers while the 767s have a maximum of 259 - it just means that the 41 lowest-yielding seats no longer need to be sold, while operating costs are reduced.

Thanks for the explanation. Didn't know the slot tricks at LHR, I imagine all airports have rules like that.
I thought B763 had a denser configuration but according to SeatGuru the 763s are already all in one class configuration, with 33'' pitch, 259 seats as you said.
BA's "domestic" A321s have 205 seats, always according to SG.
Anyway they can get along - if they are not replacing B763s with something like a high density B788 obviously occupancy is not that high.
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BA will have to increase frequencies on domestic 767 operated routes, I bet LHR-FCO and LHR-IST cannot be covered with A321s with 767 frequencies... but do BA still have some slots at LHR?


LHR slots are repossessed by the slot controlling authority if they aren't used on at least 80% of the occasions they could have been. So BA can't hold slots they never fly. But there are domestic flights effectively operated as slot-sitters, and there's also the option of only scheduling a flight to operate 4 days out of 5, thus keeping within the 80% rule, with a differently timed slot covering the 5th day for 4 different services.
I doubt if BA care that their A321s carry a maximum of 218 passengers while the 767s have a maximum of 259 - it just means that the 41 lowest-yielding seats no longer need to be sold, while operating costs are reduced.

Thanks for the explanation. Didn't know the slot tricks at LHR, I imagine all airports have rules like that.
I thought B763 had a denser configuration but according to SeatGuru the 763s are already all in one class configuration, with 33'' pitch, 259 seats as you said.
BA's "domestic" A321s have 205 seats, always according to SG.
Anyway they can get along - if they are not replacing B763s with something like a high density B788 obviously occupancy is not that high.

All but four of BA's shorthaul A321s have already been upseated to 218, and of the four, one is out of service for the "densification" as BA calls it. Seat Guru, as is far from uncommon, has failed to keep up. Seat Guru also has never been able to understand the concept of European Business Class despite it being almost universal across legacy airlines in Europe, where the same seat on consecutive flights could be sold as economy or business, with middle seats in blocks of three deliberately unsold when the row is allocated as Business. The difference in classes is accounted for by lounge access, complimentary onboard meals and drinks, increased baggage allowance, and increased FF mileage earnings, not by onboard seating. All BA flights are at least 2-class.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:42 pm

So will all of BAs retired 767 go for scraps or will they find another buyer/lessor? There are still a lot of 763-users out there (Condor,TUI,Blue Panorama in Europe) and old-leased 763 might be for some airlines more economical to operate than new 787s (even if the engine-thing gets solved soon)
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:58 pm

All will be scrapped. The engines will be kept as they can be used on the 747 fleet.

There's a bonus MAD service tomorrow in place of the 777.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:02 pm

The BA B767 are some of the few with RR engines, just for starters.

Also apart from the 4 at St Athan, the only others left are the 7 at VCV.

The latter have spent 4 years in the sun already and are probably stripped bare.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:44 pm

Such a shame. Flew on that particular aircraft to LCA and ATH a few years back.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:56 pm

FatCat wrote:
BA will have to increase frequencies on domestic 767 operated routes, I bet LHR-FCO and LHR-IST cannot be covered with A321s with 767 frequencies... but do BA still have some slots at LHR?


Not sure the domestics necessarily need to replace the capacity one for one. As has been mentioned already the densification of A321s will add seats to the market. It helps with simplicity too, if an aircraft change was required for any reason it's much easier having a huge fleet of A32X than juggling a small fleet of 767s.

LCA goes 3 daily soon as a result of losing the 767 so that'll be a big increase in capacity. That route has performed really well lately.

IST is currently 2x daily with an A320 - there's potential to upguage with the A321neo and I imaginr this kind of mission is exactly what the aircraft was ordered for, so capacity can be increased there. The daytime IST flight could also be flown by a widebody - after arriving early from somewhere BOM, DEL, EZE etc it could be turned to do LHR-IST-LHR beforr heading off to PVG, EZE or the like again. Loads of options, but old 767s were just becoming an issue rather than an asset.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:58 pm

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Leaving just BZHA and BZHB, a 50% fleet reduction in just a week !

Perhaps it is not the right time to say this but does anyone remember what happened on G-BZHA about 12 years ago?
Answer: Somebody tried to murder a Russian agent and put so much radioactive liquid it the first class toilet that the poor man looked as if he had aged thirty years in a short time. Finally he died. I have always wondered what happened next. Did they change panels and sink and toilet seat or did they just leave it as it was? Who can answer this one? Nobody can... This is for the X-files!
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:49 pm

Here is a bit about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... shairways1

I imagine if it were the toilet that would have been parted out, a simple job. And the aircraft flew to LCA today.
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:33 pm

So who will operate the last flight, BZHA or BZHB?
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Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:48 pm

ZHA according to an LHR group.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:43 pm

parapente wrote:
Yup but capacity wise it's still (all Y) a big 40 seat drop give or take.However - the profitability will go off the charts with a 321 NEO.The Sfc must be circa 35% less I would have thought. It maybe that they accept that loss in pax volume - dunno the load factors.What they really need for these uk/continental flights is a stretched 321 ;-)


The SFC difference is probably more than that and deffo more on a CASM basis.

Anyway, they can easily add more frequencies to make up the direct capacity difference and still come way out ahead. IINM, they do have some some slack to work with at LHR WRT slots.

I think it may actually go that way as BA make most of their living funneling PAX through LHR, so losing those 40Y per flight may hurt them even if they were to come out way ahead on operating costs for those particular former 763 flights. Time will tell I guess.
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:41 pm

Last flights tomorrow is it ? Sunday 25th LHR-LCA-LHR BA662/663 scheduled as G-BZHB.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:44 am

I found this info:

https://mobile.twitter.com/aston_adam/s ... airways%2F

It seems BZHB on Monday will operate the last flight...
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:00 am

I would like to share this good read on the BA 767s:

https://tim-the-pilot.co.uk
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:08 am

AlexA340B777 wrote:
I found this info:

https://mobile.twitter.com/aston_adam/s ... airways%2F

It seems BZHB on Monday will operate the last flight...


Interesting sentiments being expressed there. The flight itself seems to be the ferry flight to St Athan for scrapping. Last commercial flight today then.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:23 am

JannEejit wrote:
AlexA340B777 wrote:
I found this info:

https://mobile.twitter.com/aston_adam/s ... airways%2F

It seems BZHB on Monday will operate the last flight...


Interesting sentiments being expressed there. The flight itself seems to be the ferry flight to St Athan for scrapping. Last commercial flight today then.


Yes, I think you are right.

update: as per fr24, BZHA is scheduled for todays last flight...
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:23 am

Thanks very much for posting that link, what an enjoyable read that was very informative and greatly appreciated.

It's strange but it's a very sad day in the history of British Airways to finally see the final B763 leave the fleet, I can honestly say that I've enjoyed every flight that I have taken on those B763s and they will be greatly missed indeed and it was always a pleasure walking down the AirBridge and boarding them on those short haul Euro routes it really was, flying an Airbus is fine but they will never capture my heart as those B763s did, I don't think that I've ever felt the same about any other aircraft retiring from British Airways except for Concorde but that's totally different for many reasons.

We're all reminiscing and looking back with great fondness of the B763 with British Airways but can you imagine when the day finally comes when we're be witnessing the final flight of the B747 now that without any doubt whatsoever will be an extremely emotional day indeed after all those years it will be very strange not to see a B747 in the British Airways fleet as we've all grown up knowing that they are there.

Weird isn't it how individuals can get attached to what at the end of the day is just a chunk of metal but you get attached and you think of how many passengers they have safely flown over the decades.

My real passion is ships and I can assure you that in the past when my favourite liners have gone to scrap I have absolutely poured my eyes out with tears, I'm not quite like that with Aviation although I have to admit I was on the day of the final Concorde flights and I've got a funny feeling that I will probably be the same on the day of the final British Airways B747 flight, I better stop before I get too emotional.

See I do have a soft spot :-)
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:21 pm

Agreed, that link was a good read!

BZHA will forever be in our household as on a trip to London last year we stopped by LHR as my daughter (5yo) loves aircraft. We took a picture of her among the runway lights running along (trying to keep up) with her arms outstretched looking up at BZHA with a beaming smile as it flew over her. It was such a good picture that we had a large print made and stuck it in the living room.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:12 pm

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The BA B767 are some of the few with RR engines, just for starters.

Also apart from the 4 at St Athan, the only others left are the 7 at VCV.

The latter have spent 4 years in the sun already and are probably stripped bare.


And the only other operator of 767s with RR engines of scale is Eastern/Swift (plus one at Royal Flight in Russia); 4 with EA/Swift and 1 with Royal Flight. With only 34 RR B763s built, there was never a freighter conversion plan for them. (The RR-engined B763s at Eastern/Swift are all ex-QF). The pictures I have gotten of these frames were the one that went to OpenSkies to finish its life, and G-BNWT, both into EWR; the latter was just days before retirement.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:19 pm

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Didn’t (Dynamic, Eastern, Swift) take some ex BA 763’s for passenger service?


No those were former Qantas B763's and Dynamic acquired four of them.


Which means they were Rollers.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:25 pm

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Andy33 wrote:

According to the UK Civil Aviation Authority's G-INFO airframe information tool, EUPV is owned by BA and not subject to any lease or mortgage.


Well I stand corrected.


- EUPV is an owned frame (why retired is a mystery, not leased, not old, not a troublesome ex BMI/BMED).
- It is the second A319 to go after DBCI in March.
- No further A319 retirements planned until September 2019.


Maybe it's going to storage till it's needed as a replacement. Better to park an owned/payed for plane than a leased or loaned one.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:57 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
Here is a bit about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... shairways1

I imagine if it were the toilet that would have been parted out, a simple job. And the aircraft flew to LCA today.


Not a simple job when you have to wear special gear while doing it.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:01 pm

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bennett123 wrote:
The BA B767 are some of the few with RR engines, just for starters.

Also apart from the 4 at St Athan, the only others left are the 7 at VCV.

The latter have spent 4 years in the sun already and are probably stripped bare.


And the only other operator of 767s with RR engines of scale is Eastern/Swift (plus one at Royal Flight in Russia); 4 with EA/Swift and 1 with Royal Flight. With only 34 RR B763s built, there was never a freighter conversion plan for them. (The RR-engined B763s at Eastern/Swift are all ex-QF). The pictures I have gotten of these frames were the one that went to OpenSkies to finish its life, and G-BNWT, both into EWR; the latter was just days before retirement.


Sorry looks like HA has no rollers left int he 767's
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:35 pm

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JannEejit wrote:
G-BZHC to operate today's BA1484/BA1489 LHR/GLA/LHR which will be the last 767 Shuttle service in/out of GLA. Sad day and even though I'm still on crutches and can't drive, I'm packing my camera and getting the bus over to get a pic.


If you got any pictures, I hope you share them with us.


Here you go !

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 3 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 4 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 5 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 6 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr


Such great shots and that is just iconic BA 767.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:48 pm

airzona11 wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Bostrom wrote:

If you got any pictures, I hope you share them with us.


Here you go !

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 3 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 4 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 5 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 6 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr


Such great shots and that is just iconic BA 767.


Thanks, light was grim but I was determined to see off 'an old friend' I did the same with the final BA 757 rotation at GLA in 2010 too.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:50 pm

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george77300 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Well I stand corrected.


- EUPV is an owned frame (why retired is a mystery, not leased, not old, not a troublesome ex BMI/BMED).
- It is the second A319 to go after DBCI in March.
- No further A319 retirements planned until September 2019.


Maybe it's going to storage till it's needed as a replacement. Better to park an owned/payed for plane than a leased or loaned one.


Won't that require keeping suitably type rated crew as well though ? According to the article linked above some of the pilots are hanging up their headsets too.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:07 pm

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Cunard wrote:
AV8AJET wrote:
Didn’t (Dynamic, Eastern, Swift) take some ex BA 763’s for passenger service?


No those were former Qantas B763's and Dynamic acquired four of them.


Which means they were Rollers.


Which I'm totally aware of as are you but if you had read my post correctly rather than trying to be pedantic I was referring too where Dynamic acquired those four aircraft from.

Considering that the aircraft came from Qantas I think that it's absolutely obvious to everyone that they were ''Rollers''!
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rbavfan wrote:
Cunard wrote:
AV8AJET wrote:
Didn’t (Dynamic, Eastern, Swift) take some ex BA 763’s for passenger service?


No those were former Qantas B763's and Dynamic acquired four of them.


Which means they were Rollers.


Which I'm totally aware of as are you but if you had read my post correctly rather than trying to be pedantic I was referring too where Dynamic acquired those four aircraft from.

Considering that the aircraft came from Qantas I think that it's absolutely obvious to everyone that they were ''Rollers''!

Accidentally double posted but at least it was worth it my good friend rbavfan!
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:53 pm

Why did ba not do a retro colour scheme like the 757 ?
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:58 pm

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Why did ba not do a retro colour scheme like the 757 ?


Mostly to do with cost, as the paint shop at LHR is now closed.
It’s a real shame they didn’t.
Hopefully they will do something for the 747 in 2024?
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G-BZHA as BA663 has just departed Larnaca bound for Heathrow on the last ever commercial service of the type in BA service. I wonder if they'll hand out final flight certificates like they did with the final 757 service ?
 
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Cunard wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
Cunard wrote:

No those were former Qantas B763's and Dynamic acquired four of them.


Which means they were Rollers.


Which I'm totally aware of as are you but if you had read my post correctly rather than trying to be pedantic I was referring too where Dynamic acquired those four aircraft from.

Considering that the aircraft came from Qantas I think that it's absolutely obvious to everyone that they were ''Rollers''!


2D acquired them from Qantas as those were the oddballs. They have access to one more B763 from that batch, currently operated by Jet Asia Airways, which shares a co-owner with 2D. (The B763s that QF ordered itself were GE-powered - 4 went to WestJet and many of the others got converted to freighters.) Two others were sold to AerSale for parts. The ones now operated by Eastern (2D) are ex-VH-ZXC/D/E/G, respectively ex-G-BNWG/J/K/P. They are still QF-configured aircraft.
 
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G-BZHA as BA663 has just departed Larnaca bound for Heathrow on the last ever commercial service of the type in BA service. I wonder if they'll hand out final flight certificates like they did with the final 757 service ?


Did the captain on that final B757 flight make an emotional farewell speech from the cockpit if so I do hope that the final B767 gets a similar emotional farewell speech and hopefully most of the passengers onboard were aware that it was the final British Airways B767 flight.

I'll say it again but the B767 in the British Airways fleet will be greatly missed and with happy memories of flying on them over the years it's rather sad that the final flight has become a reality :-(
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:29 pm

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I would like to share this good read on the BA 767s:

https://tim-the-pilot.co.uk

Thanks for the link. That was an interesting read and it shows that that the 767-336ER was definitely a good for for BA. Particularly interesting about the reason for MAN-LAX ending being needing a frame to launch flights to AMM, BEY and DAM. I've wondered if BA might have been better off fitting some 757s out in a two-class layout for those flights. which they did with two ex-KT examples for use on BHX-JFK and GLA-JFK.

RR powered 767-338ERs would have been a good fit for QF, with their RR powered 747s, but I think they already had GE engined examples on order by the time BA made its order (their 767-238ERs were PW powered, so I believe QF are the only airline to have operated the 767 with all three engine types once you add in the ex-BA RR examples).

NZ would also have been a good fit for RR 767-319ERs, but again I think they went GE for commonality with their GE powered 767-219ERs.
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george77300 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Well I stand corrected.


- EUPV is an owned frame (why retired is a mystery, not leased, not old, not a troublesome ex BMI/BMED).
- It is the second A319 to go after DBCI in March.
- No further A319 retirements planned until September 2019.


Maybe it's going to storage till it's needed as a replacement. Better to park an owned/payed for plane than a leased or loaned one.


I actually drove past St Athan last week. It looked like it was on the eCube Apron for scrapping along with 2 other BA 767’s.
 
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Thanks very much for posting that link, what an enjoyable read that was very informative and greatly appreciated.

It's strange but it's a very sad day in the history of British Airways to finally see the final B763 leave the fleet, I can honestly say that I've enjoyed every flight that I have taken on those B763s and they will be greatly missed indeed and it was always a pleasure walking down the AirBridge and boarding them on those short haul Euro routes it really was, flying an Airbus is fine but they will never capture my heart as those B763s did, I don't think that I've ever felt the same about any other aircraft retiring from British Airways except for Concorde but that's totally different for many reasons.

We're all reminiscing and looking back with great fondness of the B763 with British Airways but can you imagine when the day finally comes when we're be witnessing the final flight of the B747 now that without any doubt whatsoever will be an extremely emotional day indeed after all those years it will be very strange not to see a B747 in the British Airways fleet as we've all grown up knowing that they are there.
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Weird isn't it how individuals can get attached to what at the end of the day is just a chunk of metal but you get attached and you think of how many passengers they have safely flown over the decades.

My real passion is ships and I can assure you that in the past when my favourite liners have gone to scrap I have absolutely poured my eyes out with tears, I'm not quite like that with Aviation although I have to admit I was on the day of the final Concorde flights and I've got a funny feeling that I will probably be the same on the day of the final British Airways B747 flight, I better stop before I get too emotional.

See I do have a soft spot :-)


A very well written piece and so very true.

I took day off work two weeks ago just to fly down to Madrid one last time on a BA 767 and it was sad landing in Madrid knowing it was the last time, even patting the plane on the way of like saying goodbye to an old friend. I'm not looking forward to A321s replacing them. As for the 747s can't and don't want to even imagine that yet.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:12 pm

Cunard wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
G-BZHA as BA663 has just departed Larnaca bound for Heathrow on the last ever commercial service of the type in BA service. I wonder if they'll hand out final flight certificates like they did with the final 757 service ?


Did the captain on that final B757 flight make an emotional farewell speech from the cockpit if so I do hope that the final B767 gets a similar emotional farewell speech and hopefully most of the passengers onboard were aware that it was the final British Airways B767 flight.

I'll say it again but the B767 in the British Airways fleet will be greatly missed and with happy memories of flying on them over the years it's rather sad that the final flight has become a reality :-(


There were many inflight comments over the tannoy, not overly emotive but well hidden behind that stoic, stiff upper lipped, pragmatic way you might expect from a seasoned BA crew. They did hang around for well over an hour after landing, talking to the passengers, answering questions, signing certificates and generally being very decent about it all. I captured some video that day, which I'll share later once I'm on my desk top.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:34 pm

The Capt is getting lots of kind messages from other aircraft.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:54 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
The Capt is getting lots of kind messages from other aircraft.


Oh that's beautiful and I'm really pleased to know that, I really admire stuff like that :-)
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:54 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Cunard wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
G-BZHA as BA663 has just departed Larnaca bound for Heathrow on the last ever commercial service of the type in BA service. I wonder if they'll hand out final flight certificates like they did with the final 757 service ?


Did the captain on that final B757 flight make an emotional farewell speech from the cockpit if so I do hope that the final B767 gets a similar emotional farewell speech and hopefully most of the passengers onboard were aware that it was the final British Airways B767 flight.

I'll say it again but the B767 in the British Airways fleet will be greatly missed and with happy memories of flying on them over the years it's rather sad that the final flight has become a reality :-(


There were many inflight comments over the tannoy, not overly emotive but well hidden behind that stoic, stiff upper lipped, pragmatic way you might expect from a seasoned BA crew. They did hang around for well over an hour after landing, talking to the passengers, answering questions, signing certificates and generally being very decent about it all. I captured some video that day, which I'll share later once I'm on my desk top.
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:25 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Cunard wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
G-BZHA as BA663 has just departed Larnaca bound for Heathrow on the last ever commercial service of the type in BA service. I wonder if they'll hand out final flight certificates like they did with the final 757 service ?


Did the captain on that final B757 flight make an emotional farewell speech from the cockpit if so I do hope that the final B767 gets a similar emotional farewell speech and hopefully most of the passengers onboard were aware that it was the final British Airways B767 flight.

I'll say it again but the B767 in the British Airways fleet will be greatly missed and with happy memories of flying on them over the years it's rather sad that the final flight has become a reality :-(


There were many inflight comments over the tannoy, not overly emotive but well hidden behind that stoic, stiff upper lipped, pragmatic way you might expect from a seasoned BA crew. They did hang around for well over an hour after landing, talking to the passengers, answering questions, signing certificates and generally being very decent about it all. I captured some video that day, which I'll share later once I'm on my desk top.


I'm really pleased to have read that and I assumed that might have been the case :-)

In my earlier post I had mentioned that shipping is my main hobby and the previous poster mentioned that he patted the B767 upon leaving the aircraft in Madrid in a similar way I can totally relate to that as I did a similar thing when.........my beloved CUNARD liner the former RMS Queen Elizabeth 2 departed her home port of Southampton (my home too) after 39 years in service with the company for the very last time just over ten years ago on the 11/11/08 bound for her final destination in Dubai where she has eventually opened as full time hotel, an hour before her final departure that day at 19.00 I walked off the ship for the final time and feeling extremely emotional and I kissed her hull and it was a rather long kiss considering but I'm so glad that I had done and the Captains final announcements were very upper lipped as usual but they we're extremely poignant and she had an absolutely fantastic farewell and it seemed as if the entire population of Southampton had come to bid her farewell for the very last time and to hear her horn blast for the very last time in her home port oh I could have done with more hankies that dark cold November evening as I remember the tears were literally dripping of my chin. (I actually felt the same on the day of the final Concorde flights)

I had a close relationship with that ship from my late grandfather who used to work onboard her along with myself who joined the CUNARD LINE just over 35 years ago when I was a mere 18yo lad, my grandfather was with Cunard for 51 years and I've been involved with the company for 35 years it's in my blood and although I'm digressing and it's not aviation related but the emotional side in me and with the discussion regarding the final British Airways B767 flight it made me rather reminiscent, some people would say that we are crazy it's just a lump of metal and they can't understand what the big deal is but some get carried away with a rare antique or an historic vehicle but we all have our passions ''well hopefully'' and those that don't understand or appreciate that obviously don't have any real passions in life except for there own vanity.

I hope those that read this don't think that I've totally gone off on a tangent and way off topic but I think that the two are very similar and quite relevant, at least I can visit Dubai and stay onboard the HotelQE2 but none of us will ever get the opportunity again to board and fly on a British Airways B767 EVER again and that's rather sad and I find it heartening that so many others feel exactly the same way :-)

We all know that there are still many B767s in service with many airlines throughout the world still flying on a daily basis but this isn't any old B767 this is a British Airways B767 and that makes all the difference doesn't it!

To the final British Airways B767s RIP you did us proud and the likes of you will never grace our skies again :-(
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:03 am

CarbonFibre wrote:
The Capt is getting lots of kind messages from other aircraft.


A similar thing happens on the last Concorde departure from JFK. ATC tapes are on youtube.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:47 am

Yeah I've heard those on YouTube as well as the LHR ones on their final landings all good stuff and I personally couldn't imagine what it would be like without YouTube and all those amazing people that put themselves out by uploading them :-)
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:23 am

Flight Global did a quick write up on BA's 767 retirement.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ys-453883/

Those B767-336ER in Landor livery looks so elegant and regal.
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Have a few photos of G-BZHA this morning but no idea how to upload them on my phone.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

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