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BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:11 pm

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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:12 pm

And The first 319, EUPV..
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:56 pm

It's a shame, I used to always like taking the 4pm BA flight on a 767 from Istanbul to London and I enjoyed the tea, coffee and good food. Now it's been replaced with a boring A320 and you have to pay even to breathe.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:25 pm

Why EUPV ? It's far from the oldest 319 in the fleet. Was a particularly troublesome hanger queen ?
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:05 pm

319 G-DBCI already left the BA fleet in May, so PV isn't the first 319 withdrawal?
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:10 pm

24 years service with BA. Bound to find another home as a freighter?
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:24 pm

garf25 wrote:
24 years service with BA. Bound to find another home as a freighter?


Not with RB211s.
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:33 pm

Didn’t (Dynamic, Eastern, Swift) take some ex BA 763’s for passenger service?
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:05 pm

TC957 wrote:
Why EUPV ? It's far from the oldest 319 in the fleet. Was a particularly troublesome hanger queen ?


Probably an expensive lease that wasn’t going to get renewed.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:09 pm

AV8AJET wrote:
Didn’t (Dynamic, Eastern, Swift) take some ex BA 763’s for passenger service?


No those were former Qantas B763's and Dynamic acquired four of them.
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:11 pm

AV8AJET wrote:
Didn’t (Dynamic, Eastern, Swift) take some ex BA 763’s for passenger service?

Not with Swift; Dynamic/Eastern has four but all came from Qantas whose RR 763s came from BA.

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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:14 pm

Arion640 wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Why EUPV ? It's far from the oldest 319 in the fleet. Was a particularly troublesome hanger queen ?


Probably an expensive lease that wasn’t going to get renewed.


EUPX has also been WFU and EUPW is expected to be WFU in January 2019.
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:15 pm

Cunard wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Why EUPV ? It's far from the oldest 319 in the fleet. Was a particularly troublesome hanger queen ?


Probably an expensive lease that wasn’t going to get renewed.


EUPX has also been WFU and EUPW is expected to be WFU in January 2019.


EUPW. My first and only BA A319.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:22 pm

nuke wrote:
garf25 wrote:
24 years service with BA. Bound to find another home as a freighter?


Not with RB211s.


It wil be parted out to support freighter fleets. The RB211's can be used as spares for BA's 747-436's.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:54 pm

AV8AJET wrote:
Didn’t (Dynamic, Eastern, Swift) take some ex BA 763’s for passenger service?


Those were ex-QF, but before that with BA for a short period. And we are talking 1 or 2. There is no market for these RR-powered 767s.
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:05 pm

Cunard wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Why EUPV ? It's far from the oldest 319 in the fleet. Was a particularly troublesome hanger queen ?


Probably an expensive lease that wasn’t going to get renewed.


EUPX has also been WFU and EUPW is expected to be WFU in January 2019.


You sure? EUPX flew to GVA this evening apparently on a scheduled service from LHR.
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:15 pm

Gingersnap wrote:
Cunard wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Probably an expensive lease that wasn’t going to get renewed.


EUPX has also been WFU and EUPW is expected to be WFU in January 2019.


You sure? EUPX flew to GVA this evening apparently on a scheduled service from LHR.


It’s also off to HAM and TLS tomorrow.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:24 am

According to jethros.org (aviation site) EUPX was going to be WFU at the end of October 2018, it's either a mistake or the aircraft is to remain in service for the foreseeable future as noted by other posters.
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:15 pm

G-BZHC to operate today's BA1484/BA1489 LHR/GLA/LHR which will be the last 767 Shuttle service in/out of GLA. Sad day and even though I'm still on crutches and can't drive, I'm packing my camera and getting the bus over to get a pic.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:22 pm

Loved the BA 767's will be very sorry to see them go.A a321 is a good commercial replacement yes, but thoroughly boring.
Still think that Boeing gave up too quickly on the 787-3.With all the EIS issues for the 787 it was understandable but they perhaps could have revisited it,it was a bigger idea (with a little more range) than just the Japanese market.Have to wait for the 797!
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:57 pm

Goodbye BA 767. Some time ago it used to visit my home airport Detroit.
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:34 pm

Arion640 wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Why EUPV ? It's far from the oldest 319 in the fleet. Was a particularly troublesome hanger queen ?


Probably an expensive lease that wasn’t going to get renewed.


According to the UK Civil Aviation Authority's G-INFO airframe information tool, EUPV is owned by BA and not subject to any lease or mortgage.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:22 pm

Andy33 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Why EUPV ? It's far from the oldest 319 in the fleet. Was a particularly troublesome hanger queen ?


Probably an expensive lease that wasn’t going to get renewed.


According to the UK Civil Aviation Authority's G-INFO airframe information tool, EUPV is owned by BA and not subject to any lease or mortgage.


Well I stand corrected.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:50 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Andy33 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Probably an expensive lease that wasn’t going to get renewed.


According to the UK Civil Aviation Authority's G-INFO airframe information tool, EUPV is owned by BA and not subject to any lease or mortgage.


Well I stand corrected.


- EUPV is an owned frame (why retired is a mystery, not leased, not old, not a troublesome ex BMI/BMED).
- It is the second A319 to go after DBCI in March.
- No further A319 retirements planned until September 2019.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:02 pm

george77300 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Andy33 wrote:

According to the UK Civil Aviation Authority's G-INFO airframe information tool, EUPV is owned by BA and not subject to any lease or mortgage.


Well I stand corrected.


- EUPV is an owned frame (why retired is a mystery, not leased, not old, not a troublesome ex BMI/BMED).
- It is the second A319 to go after DBCI in March.
- No further A319 retirements planned until September 2019.


I can only think it’s getting a bit high on cycles, but not being the oldest nor can it be any more worked than the rest of the A319 fleet that age, it is a mystery.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:16 pm

Mystery indeed - hopefully someone in BA's engineering can say. According to FR24, EUPV was in service up the last evening before being flown to St Athan. Hardly time for any decommissioning work at LHR.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:56 pm

JannEejit wrote:
G-BZHC to operate today's BA1484/BA1489 LHR/GLA/LHR which will be the last 767 Shuttle service in/out of GLA. Sad day and even though I'm still on crutches and can't drive, I'm packing my camera and getting the bus over to get a pic.


If you got any pictures, I hope you share them with us.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:58 pm

Bostrom wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
G-BZHC to operate today's BA1484/BA1489 LHR/GLA/LHR which will be the last 767 Shuttle service in/out of GLA. Sad day and even though I'm still on crutches and can't drive, I'm packing my camera and getting the bus over to get a pic.


If you got any pictures, I hope you share them with us.


Here you go !

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 3 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 4 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

ImageBZHC GLA NOV 2 18 5 by Allen McLaughlin, on Flickr

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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:19 am

Arion640 wrote:
george77300 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Well I stand corrected.


- EUPV is an owned frame (why retired is a mystery, not leased, not old, not a troublesome ex BMI/BMED).
- It is the second A319 to go after DBCI in March.
- No further A319 retirements planned until September 2019.


I can only think it’s getting a bit high on cycles, but not being the oldest nor can it be any more worked than the rest of the A319 fleet that age, it is a mystery.

Only 40,000 hours on it as of last January. Options are either it's just going for maintenance, storage before being sold, has some sudden severe corrosion, or a scrapper offered them a really good price for parting it out.
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:05 am

Have any of the new G-NEOx series A321’s arrived yet to replace the short-haul B767’s?
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:47 am

airsmiles wrote:
Have any of the new G-NEOx series A321’s arrived yet to replace the short-haul B767’s?

No, but the first ones are due pretty soon now, the first completed frames have been seen at XFW.
Re EUPV, I can't see sudden corrosion as a reason to scrap her as it was in service right up to the evening before being sent away.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:44 am

Just saw a BA 767 Taxi out in AMS. When is the final flight ?
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Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:43 am

Delta777Jet wrote:
Just saw a BA 767 Taxi out in AMS. When is the final flight ?


Last AMS is 6th Nov I believe.

Then just 1 x daily LCA rotation. (BA662/663) with final BA flight BA663/662 on 25th November.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:52 am

george77300 wrote:

Last AMS is 6th Nov I believe.



Indeed, switch-over from B763 to A320 is on November 6 / November 7 accompanied with a slight schedule change:

- 06 Nov 2018 LHR 06.30 - AMS 09.00 BA428 B763 daily
- 07 Nov 2018 LHR 06.45 - AMS 09.15 BA428 A320 daily
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:18 am

Looks like the last LHR-FCO 767 service is today.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:53 pm

G-BZHC has now also gone to St Athan, via a CWL diversion, today.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:38 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
G-BZHC to operate today's BA1484/BA1489 LHR/GLA/LHR which will be the last 767 Shuttle service in/out of GLA. Sad day and even though I'm still on crutches and can't drive, I'm packing my camera and getting the bus over to get a pic.


If you got any pictures, I hope you share them with us.


Here you go !


Great shots! Thank you so much for sharing them!
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:14 pm

I still can’t get my head around these B767’s being withdrawn. Apart from BNWA/BNWB, the others weren’t especially old. With engine commonality with the B747’s and fully paid for aircraft, continuing operations with them couldn’t have been too onerous. They do seem to be losing a fair bit of operational flexibility by retiring them though. What am I missing?
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:24 pm

Indeed a shame to see them go, the BZH ones are only just over 20 years old.

Flew them extensively with BA, always full on the domestic runs, are least on the flights I took. Much as I like the A321, it’s no 763 replacement.
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:54 pm

airsmiles wrote:
I still can’t get my head around these B767’s being withdrawn. Apart from BNWA/BNWB, the others weren’t especially old. With engine commonality with the B747’s and fully paid for aircraft, continuing operations with them couldn’t have been too onerous. They do seem to be losing a fair bit of operational flexibility by retiring them though. What am I missing?

I can only assume it's the size of the Pilot pool; BA would have had a large pool of type rated Pilots when they operated the 757, too, but with just the 767 left, presumably they've been focusing on moving Pilots to the 787/380 fleets (both started since 757 retired), and thus the 767 ratings are no longer current?
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:03 pm

BNWZ is due to join BNWX & BZHC at St. Athan tomorrow.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:46 am

CarbonFibre wrote:
BNWZ is due to join BNWX & BZHC at St. Athan tomorrow.


Leaving just BZHA and BZHB, a 50% fleet reduction in just a week !
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:47 am

Bostrom wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Bostrom wrote:

If you got any pictures, I hope you share them with us.


Here you go !


Great shots! Thank you so much for sharing them!


You're welcome, and that will be my last glimpse of a BA 767 as well... :( :wave: :weeping:
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:04 am

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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:20 am

BA will have to increase frequencies on domestic 767 operated routes, I bet LHR-FCO and LHR-IST cannot be covered with A321s with 767 frequencies... but do BA still have some slots at LHR?
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:27 am

BNWZ just flew over my house, low and slow. Still sounded lovely.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:46 am

Bhoy wrote:
airsmiles wrote:
I still can’t get my head around these B767’s being withdrawn. Apart from BNWA/BNWB, the others weren’t especially old. With engine commonality with the B747’s and fully paid for aircraft, continuing operations with them couldn’t have been too onerous. They do seem to be losing a fair bit of operational flexibility by retiring them though. What am I missing?

I can only assume it's the size of the Pilot pool; BA would have had a large pool of type rated Pilots when they operated the 757, too, but with just the 767 left, presumably they've been focusing on moving Pilots to the 787/380 fleets (both started since 757 retired), and thus the 767 ratings are no longer current?

It isn't just the pilot pool. These were shorthaul 767s. crewed by FAs from the LHR Eurofleet pool. It's a large pool, though nobody has been added to it since the BMI takeover in 2012. The cost of maintaining currency for the whole pool when there were only seven 767 aircraft compared to the 106 shorthaul A319/A320/A321 family based at LHR would be substantial.
There might have been an option to change the cabin crew to those from the Mixed Fleet pool, which does have sub-pools of differently qualified crew members, but under UK CAA rules cabin crew can only be current on 3 aircraft families at a time, and Mixed Fleet use this to the full. As a result anyone who became trained on 767s (which would have cost BA money anyway) would have had to stop flying on one of the other types they were qualified for. This scarcely adds operational flexibility.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:50 am

Capacity is increased directly by the densification of the existing fleet and A319 replacement with larger NEOs. Capacity is also increased indirectly by AA launching more direct routes between Europe and the USA, traffic which otherwise would have gone via LHR.
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:16 pm

Yup but capacity wise it's still (all Y) a big 40 seat drop give or take.However - the profitability will go off the charts with a 321 NEO.The Sfc must be circa 35% less I would have thought. It maybe that they accept that loss in pax volume - dunno the load factors.What they really need for these uk/continental flights is a stretched 321 ;-)
 
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Re: BA 767 off to the scrapper 1st Nov

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:55 pm

FatCat wrote:
BA will have to increase frequencies on domestic 767 operated routes, I bet LHR-FCO and LHR-IST cannot be covered with A321s with 767 frequencies... but do BA still have some slots at LHR?


LHR slots are repossessed by the slot controlling authority if they aren't used on at least 80% of the occasions they could have been. So BA can't hold slots they never fly. But there are domestic flights effectively operated as slot-sitters, and there's also the option of only scheduling a flight to operate 4 days out of 5, thus keeping within the 80% rule, with a differently timed slot covering the 5th day for 4 different services.
I doubt if BA care that their A321s carry a maximum of 218 passengers while the 767s have a maximum of 259 - it just means that the 41 lowest-yielding seats no longer need to be sold, while operating costs are reduced.

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