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American orders 15 more E175 regional jets

Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:23 pm

Another top up order -

15 x E175 delivery commencing 2020 to be operated by Envoy Air.

Embraer and American Airlines Sign a New Contract for 15 E175s
https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug ... r-15-e175s

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This follows another order in May for 15 aircraft also.
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Re: American orders 15 more E175 regional jets

Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:25 pm

"Enjoy Air"...? Just kidding... :D (edit: post was fixed)

Anyhow, where are most Envoy E175s stationed at? DFW? I know Compass is at LAX, so probably not there...
 
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Re: American orders 15 more E175 regional jets

Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:26 pm

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Re: American orders 15 more E175 regional jets

Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:34 pm

Honestly, I prefer the ERJ-175s over all other regional jets. Do you thinks they'll replace ERJ-145 routes out of LGA and/or DCA?
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:43 pm

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Honestly, I prefer the ERJ-175s over all other regional jets. Do you thinks they'll replace ERJ-145 routes out of LGA and/or DCA?


Sometimes I prefer them over mainline jets. The 2 seats on each side are nice and it's fairly quiet inside. The smallish overheads are the main issue with the interior.
 
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Re: American orders 15 more E175 regional jets

Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:10 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Another top up order -

15 x E175 delivery commencing 2020 to be operated by Envoy Air.

Embraer and American Airlines Sign a New Contract for 15 E175s
https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug ... r-15-e175s

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This follows another order in May for 15 aircraft also.


Does AA have a cap on 2-class RJ count by non-mainline operators? If so, will these orders take it close to that cap?
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:32 pm

FA9295 wrote:
"Enjoy Air"...? Just kidding... :D (edit: post was fixed)

Anyhow, where are most Envoy E175s stationed at? DFW? I know Compass is at LAX, so probably not there...

DFW right now. The ones coming online starting this month to next year will probably be ORD to phase out the CRJs. This order is likely to increase capacity as the EMBs are going to stay online for a while.
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Re: American orders 15 more E175 regional jets

Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:36 pm

They're not so much fun in turbulence, but other than that, these are great airplanes from the passenger perspective. I am glad to be seeing more of them!
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:37 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:

Does AA have a cap on 2-class RJ count by non-mainline operators? If so, will these orders take it close to that cap?


The restriction is on 66-76 seat RJs but there is room that can be gained by either adding more Mainline NBs (since it is % based) or by re-configuring the OO CR7s from 6F/64Y down to 9F/56Y.
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:38 pm

SEA wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Honestly, I prefer the ERJ-175s over all other regional jets. Do you thinks they'll replace ERJ-145 routes out of LGA and/or DCA?


Sometimes I prefer them over mainline jets. The 2 seats on each side are nice and it's fairly quiet inside. The smallish overheads are the main issue with the interior.

I agree. I think they are very comfortable (all the E-Jets) and a nice ride. I just wish the windows were better aligned for the typical configuration.
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:11 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
SEA wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Honestly, I prefer the ERJ-175s over all other regional jets. Do you thinks they'll replace ERJ-145 routes out of LGA and/or DCA?


Sometimes I prefer them over mainline jets. The 2 seats on each side are nice and it's fairly quiet inside. The smallish overheads are the main issue with the interior.

I agree. I think they are very comfortable (all the E-Jets) and a nice ride. I just wish the windows were better aligned for the typical configuration.



Yeah. The windows are massive, but poorly aligned in Y.
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:56 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
LotsaRunway wrote:
SEA wrote:

Sometimes I prefer them over mainline jets. The 2 seats on each side are nice and it's fairly quiet inside. The smallish overheads are the main issue with the interior.

I agree. I think they are very comfortable (all the E-Jets) and a nice ride. I just wish the windows were better aligned for the typical configuration.



Yeah. The windows are massive, but poorly aligned in Y.


The seats can be spaced to customer needs. There is no window alignment problem.
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:28 pm

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They're not so much fun in turbulence, but other than that, these are great airplanes from the passenger perspective. I am glad to be seeing more of them!


Agreed.
I really like that airplane... until it hits a bump.
At which point, it bears a striking resemblance to the Beech 1900!!
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:48 pm

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I really like that airplane... until it hits a bump.
At which point, it bears a striking resemblance to the Beech 1900!!

Still won’t forget the one time when I was in Row 22 on the 175 and flew through the remnants of a tropical storm upon departing MHT for DCA. Yep, it was as fun as it sounds. :vomit:

But seriously though, good to see AA continue to take more of these comfortable planes. Now if only they could use these to upgrade a lot of routes from LGA that have been infested with 140s...
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:06 pm

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D L X wrote:
They're not so much fun in turbulence, but other than that, these are great airplanes from the passenger perspective. I am glad to be seeing more of them!


Agreed.
I really like that airplane... until it hits a bump.
At which point, it bears a striking resemblance to the Beech 1900!!


Can't be as bad as a Dash-8. Seen a F/A on the floor due to turbulence.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:59 am

Runway28L wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
I really like that airplane... until it hits a bump.
At which point, it bears a striking resemblance to the Beech 1900!!

Still won’t forget the one time when I was in Row 22 on the 175 and flew through the remnants of a tropical storm upon departing MHT for DCA. Yep, it was as fun as it sounds. :vomit:

But seriously though, good to see AA continue to take more of these comfortable planes. Now if only they could use these to upgrade a lot of routes from LGA that have been infested with 140s...


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Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:56 am

alasizon wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

Does AA have a cap on 2-class RJ count by non-mainline operators? If so, will these orders take it close to that cap?


The restriction is on 66-76 seat RJs but there is room that can be gained by either adding more Mainline NBs (since it is % based) or by re-configuring the OO CR7s from 6F/64Y down to 9F/56Y.


Which I would expect to happen. Take a couple seats out of the CR7's, make it a small RJ, where they aren't as close to being scoped out, and then add more 76 seaters. I wouldn't be surprised to see another 15 CR9's for PSA in the future as well. Also depending on how things play out, it's not out of the question to see YX end up with some 170's at 65 seats in the future for AA.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:46 am

Runway28L wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
I really like that airplane... until it hits a bump.
At which point, it bears a striking resemblance to the Beech 1900!!

Still won’t forget the one time when I was in Row 22 on the 175 and flew through the remnants of a tropical storm upon departing MHT for DCA. Yep, it was as fun as it sounds. :vomit:

But seriously though, good to see AA continue to take more of these comfortable planes. Now if only they could use these to upgrade a lot of routes from LGA that have been infested with 140s...


I flew a STL-MIA leg on one of them, and we flew through some pretty thick storm clouds over FLL. The plane dropped like a rock for about fifty feet, then lurched upwards again. Everyone sleeping woke up!
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:26 am

I'll take a 175 over a 145 or CRJ in turbulence any day of the week.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:57 am

It's E1?
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:51 am

I think it's very interesting to see how each legacy is finding different ways to "handle" scope

DL - E175SC (70 seat), CRJ900 (70 seat) + A220 is also helping
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:52 am

Will take these over any CRJ during turbulence any day!
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:08 am

maps4ltd wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
I really like that airplane... until it hits a bump.
At which point, it bears a striking resemblance to the Beech 1900!!

Still won’t forget the one time when I was in Row 22 on the 175 and flew through the remnants of a tropical storm upon departing MHT for DCA. Yep, it was as fun as it sounds. :vomit:

But seriously though, good to see AA continue to take more of these comfortable planes. Now if only they could use these to upgrade a lot of routes from LGA that have been infested with 140s...


I flew a STL-MIA leg on one of them, and we flew through some pretty thick storm clouds over FLL. The plane dropped like a rock for about fifty feet, then lurched upwards again. Everyone sleeping woke up!

50 feet, huh? Five stories? Did everybody live?
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:49 am

These are beautiful planes, that are awful in Y with AAs configuration.

The reason the windows are misaligned is because AA squeezed the Y seats nice and tight.

Flew LGA MCI...I’ve never been claustrophobic on a plane in my life...then I got that tight window seat without a window and the guy in front reclined. Wow!
 
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It's E1?


Yes, E1.

The E2 version of the 175 is scheduled to be certified in 2021, delivery of these 175s starts in 2020.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:46 pm

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These are beautiful planes, that are awful in Y with AAs configuration.

The reason the windows are misaligned is because AA squeezed the Y seats nice and tight.

Flew LGA MCI...I’ve never been claustrophobic on a plane in my life...then I got that tight window seat without a window and the guy in front reclined. Wow!


I'm wondering what AA version you flew. A 12F 64Y layout is common to AA/DL/UA/AS. That's a config that goes back fully a decade for Delta.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:58 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
These are beautiful planes, that are awful in Y with AAs configuration.

The reason the windows are misaligned is because AA squeezed the Y seats nice and tight.

Flew LGA MCI...I’ve never been claustrophobic on a plane in my life...then I got that tight window seat without a window and the guy in front reclined. Wow!


I'm wondering what AA version you flew. A 12F 64Y layout is common to AA/DL/UA/AS. That's a config that goes back fully a decade for Delta.


Regardless of the version, any E70 or E75 with F will have some window spacing issues. The windows are uniformly 32 inches apart, which is great for all-Y configurations (the original configuration for many if not most E70s) but causes problems once you add F.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:43 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
These are beautiful planes, that are awful in Y with AAs configuration.

The reason the windows are misaligned is because AA squeezed the Y seats nice and tight.

Flew LGA MCI...I’ve never been claustrophobic on a plane in my life...then I got that tight window seat without a window and the guy in front reclined. Wow!


I'm wondering what AA version you flew. A 12F 64Y layout is common to AA/DL/UA/AS. That's a config that goes back fully a decade for Delta.


It is the premium Y that causes it to be bad in back in Y
 
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It's E1?


Yes, E1.

The E2 version of the 175 is scheduled to be certified in 2021, delivery of these 175s starts in 2020.


Not to any carrier that flies in the US for AA/UA/DL. It's not scope compliant and never will be.
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Cubsrule wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
These are beautiful planes, that are awful in Y with AAs configuration.

The reason the windows are misaligned is because AA squeezed the Y seats nice and tight.

Flew LGA MCI...I’ve never been claustrophobic on a plane in my life...then I got that tight window seat without a window and the guy in front reclined. Wow!


I'm wondering what AA version you flew. A 12F 64Y layout is common to AA/DL/UA/AS. That's a config that goes back fully a decade for Delta.


Regardless of the version, any E70 or E75 with F will have some window spacing issues. The windows are uniformly 32 inches apart, which is great for all-Y configurations (the original configuration for many if not most E70s) but causes problems once you add F.

I feel like the severity of the issue regarding the windows on the 170/175/190 really depends on where you sit (and of course, the configuration of the cabin).

I had three flights on B6’s and AA’s E190s this past summer. The windows on my B6 flight and second AA flight were too far forward (seat 10A on B6, seat 9A on AA). Whereas the first flight on AA, the window was just fine (seat 13F).

Also had a flight last year on a B6 E190 from seat 4A and the window there was also way too far forward.
 
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E2 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
It's E1?


Yes, E1.

The E2 version of the 175 is scheduled to be certified in 2021, delivery of these 175s starts in 2020.


Not to any carrier that flies in the US for AA/UA/DL. It's not scope compliant and never will be.


Yeah, as far as seeing a 175 being flown by the US3, it's effectively DOA for the USA.
 
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Runway28L wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

I'm wondering what AA version you flew. A 12F 64Y layout is common to AA/DL/UA/AS. That's a config that goes back fully a decade for Delta.


Regardless of the version, any E70 or E75 with F will have some window spacing issues. The windows are uniformly 32 inches apart, which is great for all-Y configurations (the original configuration for many if not most E70s) but causes problems once you add F.

I feel like the severity of the issue regarding the windows on the 170/175/190 really depends on where you sit (and of course, the configuration of the cabin).

I had three flights on B6’s and AA’s E190s this past summer. The windows on my B6 flight and second AA flight were too far forward (seat 10A on B6, seat 9A on AA). Whereas the first flight on AA, the window was just fine (seat 13F).

Also had a flight last year on a B6 E190 from seat 4A and the window there was also way too far forward.


I believe that on both AA and B6 E90s, all windows aft of the exit row are well-aligned.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:44 pm

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The restriction is on 66-76 seat RJs but there is room that can be gained by either adding more Mainline NBs (since it is % based) or by re-configuring the OO CR7s from 6F/64Y down to 9F/56Y.


Which I would expect to happen. Take a couple seats out of the CR7's, make it a small RJ, where they aren't as close to being scoped out, and then add more 76 seaters. I wouldn't be surprised to see another 15 CR9's for PSA in the future as well. Also depending on how things play out, it's not out of the question to see YX end up with some 170's at 65 seats in the future for AA.


I agree on the additional CR9s but what I think would be quite interesting is if OO & AA partnered up with some new E170s to replace all of the existing west coast lift. There is no reason why a 60-70 plane fleet of E70s couldn't replace the existing OO CR7s and YV CR9s from LAX & PHX. Better pax experience combined with it being all "small RJs". Frequencies would need to go up in a few markets to adjust to the lost seats per flight but it would allow more 76 seaters back east where the difference in seats is truly needed to replace the CR2s/E145s.
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alasizon wrote:
The restriction is on 66-76 seat RJs but there is room that can be gained by either adding more Mainline NBs (since it is % based) or by re-configuring the OO CR7s from 6F/64Y down to 9F/56Y.


Which I would expect to happen. Take a couple seats out of the CR7's, make it a small RJ, where they aren't as close to being scoped out, and then add more 76 seaters. I wouldn't be surprised to see another 15 CR9's for PSA in the future as well. Also depending on how things play out, it's not out of the question to see YX end up with some 170's at 65 seats in the future for AA.


I agree on the additional CR9s but what I think would be quite interesting is if OO & AA partnered up with some new E170s to replace all of the existing west coast lift. There is no reason why a 60-70 plane fleet of E70s couldn't replace the existing OO CR7s and YV CR9s from LAX & PHX. Better pax experience combined with it being all "small RJs". Frequencies would need to go up in a few markets to adjust to the lost seats per flight but it would allow more 76 seaters back east where the difference in seats is truly needed to replace the CR2s/E145s.


Sooner or later those YV 900's are going to need to be replaced, as they're the oldest out there and have been ridden quite hard. I would without a doubt say those end up being 175's, its just a matter of who operates them. I wouldn't count on OO CR7's going away quickly, a big chunk of them just came over to AA from Delta paint. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me to see OO move more former DL CR7's over to AA, as they take delivery of the CR9SC.
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Which I would expect to happen. Take a couple seats out of the CR7's, make it a small RJ, where they aren't as close to being scoped out, and then add more 76 seaters. I wouldn't be surprised to see another 15 CR9's for PSA in the future as well. Also depending on how things play out, it's not out of the question to see YX end up with some 170's at 65 seats in the future for AA.


I agree on the additional CR9s but what I think would be quite interesting is if OO & AA partnered up with some new E170s to replace all of the existing west coast lift. There is no reason why a 60-70 plane fleet of E70s couldn't replace the existing OO CR7s and YV CR9s from LAX & PHX. Better pax experience combined with it being all "small RJs". Frequencies would need to go up in a few markets to adjust to the lost seats per flight but it would allow more 76 seaters back east where the difference in seats is truly needed to replace the CR2s/E145s.


Sooner or later those YV 900's are going to need to be replaced, as they're the oldest out there and have been ridden quite hard. I would without a doubt say those end up being 175's, its just a matter of who operates them. I wouldn't count on OO CR7's going away quickly, a big chunk of them just came over to AA from Delta paint. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me to see OO move more former DL CR7's over to AA, as they take delivery of the CR9SC.


I give the YV CR9s another 1-2 years before they need to start being replaced, but right now the philosophy of E175s in PHX doesn't work very well with the current gate spacing (you would need to lose another gate or two in order to make the existing gates E175 capable due to the wingspan). Even then, I would guess they would start working with replacing DFW based flights first.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:02 pm

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Sooner or later those YV 900's are going to need to be replaced, as they're the oldest out there and have been ridden quite hard. I would without a doubt say those end up being 175's, its just a matter of who operates them. I wouldn't count on OO CR7's going away quickly, a big chunk of them just came over to AA from Delta paint. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me to see OO move more former DL CR7's over to AA, as they take delivery of the CR9SC.


I will love when that happens. When I connect in DFW to my hometown of EVV, I get the YV 900s, and they are ratty inside (I had about 4 flights on them on my last trip to the US last Christmas and it was this way on every plane). Interior looks dated, seats have seen better days and tray tables are a mess. Would love for a swap of the 900s to the E175.
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E175 N269NN is en route SJK-MAO-FLL-ABI for delivery. 50 x E175 on property now at Envoy.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N269NN
 
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E175 N269NN is en route SJK-MAO-FLL-ABI for delivery. 50 x E175 on property now at Envoy.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N269NN

Why ABI...? Is that where the plane will be prepped for revenue service?
 
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E175 N269NN is en route SJK-MAO-FLL-ABI for delivery. 50 x E175 on property now at Envoy.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N269NN

Why ABI...? Is that where the plane will be prepped for revenue service?


ABI is one of our biggest maintenance bases and where all of the 175’s do their acceptance checks before hitting the line.
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Still won’t forget the one time when I was in Row 22 on the 175 and flew through the remnants of a tropical storm upon departing MHT for DCA. Yep, it was as fun as it sounds. :vomit:

But seriously though, good to see AA continue to take more of these comfortable planes. Now if only they could use these to upgrade a lot of routes from LGA that have been infested with 140s...


I flew a STL-MIA leg on one of them, and we flew through some pretty thick storm clouds over FLL. The plane dropped like a rock for about fifty feet, then lurched upwards again. Everyone sleeping woke up!

50 feet, huh? Five stories? Did everybody live?

DLX, you do realize wings are sized to provide a peak 1.5G of lift, right? There are rules on the design to prevent a shock. Wings have structural (flex) means designed in to dampen g-forces and aerodynamic features to spill excess lift to prevent grandma from getting crushed.

I've gone through data on 200 foot drops to verify an Airframe and engines were still structurally sound. I had a friend on the flight. The event happened during beverage service and oh was he passed his new white dress shirt was soaked with the red wine of multiple passengers. :( He described their glasses 'bouncing off the ceiling into my lap'. And how he grabbed the FA's hand (and she his) and a passenger had a hand on the beverage cart, yet the cart still had air under the wheels and air under the fa's shoes. He was also glad he decided to drink instead of taking out the laptop.

He received wine the rest of the flight 'promptly' (free in international business) and a bottle was mailed to his home as an airline mea culpa (he joked with the fa that the least the airline could do was send him one as a momento ). That friend accumulated 2 million more FF miles on that airline too..

Non-event for the Airframe. ;). (Below 1.5G maximum).
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Re: American orders 15 more E175 regional jets

Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:55 pm

lightsaber wrote:
D L X wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:

I flew a STL-MIA leg on one of them, and we flew through some pretty thick storm clouds over FLL. The plane dropped like a rock for about fifty feet, then lurched upwards again. Everyone sleeping woke up!

50 feet, huh? Five stories? Did everybody live?

DLX, you do realize wings are sized to provide a peak 1.5G of lift, right? There are rules on the design to prevent a shock. Wings have structural (flex) means designed in to dampen g-forces and aerodynamic features to spill excess lift to prevent grandma from getting crushed.

I've gone through data on 200 foot drops to verify an Airframe and engines were still structurally sound. I had a friend on the flight. The event happened during beverage service and oh was he passed his new white dress shirt was soaked with the red wine of multiple passengers. :( He described their glasses 'bouncing off the ceiling into my lap'. And how he grabbed the FA's hand (and she his) and a passenger had a hand on the beverage cart, yet the cart still had air under the wheels and air under the fa's shoes. He was also glad he decided to drink instead of taking out the laptop.

He received wine the rest of the flight 'promptly' (free in international business) and a bottle was mailed to his home as an airline mea culpa (he joked with the fa that the least the airline could do was send him one as a momento ). That friend accumulated 2 million more FF miles on that airline too..

Non-event for the Airframe. ;). (Below 1.5G maximum).


1.5G is not maximum. A transport category aircraft is designed for -1 through +2.5 or even +3.8 G's depending on MTOW. A wing must pass a test which requires it to fail no sooner than 4 seconds after reaching 150% of its max certified G load. So at 2.5 max G's, a wing should not fail until it has a sustained loading of 3.75G's for 4 seconds or more.

I've hit severe turbulence in the 175 where we peaked at around 2.2ish Gs and then went to .2ish G's in a matter of a half second. Our max Cruise speeds at a given altitude are based off of providing a 1.3 or 1.5 G buffer margin. 1.5 G really isn't that much.
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Re: American orders 15 more E175 regional jets

Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:39 am

lightsaber wrote:
D L X wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:

I flew a STL-MIA leg on one of them, and we flew through some pretty thick storm clouds over FLL. The plane dropped like a rock for about fifty feet, then lurched upwards again. Everyone sleeping woke up!

50 feet, huh? Five stories? Did everybody live?

DLX, you do realize wings are sized to provide a peak 1.5G of lift, right? There are rules on the design to prevent a shock. Wings have structural (flex) means designed in to dampen g-forces and aerodynamic features to spill excess lift to prevent grandma from getting crushed.

I've gone through data on 200 foot drops to verify an Airframe and engines were still structurally sound. I had a friend on the flight. The event happened during beverage service and oh was he passed his new white dress shirt was soaked with the red wine of multiple passengers. :( He described their glasses 'bouncing off the ceiling into my lap'. And how he grabbed the FA's hand (and she his) and a passenger had a hand on the beverage cart, yet the cart still had air under the wheels and air under the fa's shoes. He was also glad he decided to drink instead of taking out the laptop.

He received wine the rest of the flight 'promptly' (free in international business) and a bottle was mailed to his home as an airline mea culpa (he joked with the fa that the least the airline could do was send him one as a momento ). That friend accumulated 2 million more FF miles on that airline too..

Non-event for the Airframe. ;). (Below 1.5G maximum).

The point was if you fall “like a rock” for 50 feet, you probably didn’t survive. That’s a five story fall. The truth is, Passengers have no idea how far they fell or climbed in turbulence. A 50 foot freefall is a 1G drop lasting almost two complete seconds. In all likelihood, the drop this passenger experienced was significantly less than 50 feet.
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