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Five persons were injured and rushed to hospital.

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United_fan wrote:Didn't their 767-300 hit something and was out of service for a while?
B757capt wrote:Dang, that’s an old American Trans Air bird....
lovebird wrote:Yes, their 767 was hit by Caribbean Airlines.
NYPECO wrote:lovebird wrote:Yes, their 767 was hit by Caribbean Airlines.
That's an unusual but effective way to get rid of competitors.
Richard28 wrote:
litz wrote:Richard28 wrote:
That's an odd position for that engine; like it was rotating around the front bolt or something ... (shrug)
at any rate, the wing damage, from what can be seen, looks minimal; it's all behind the fence line.
So it's going to boil down to what kind of hull/wing damage, and some better daylight pictures.
Is this leased or owned?
1989worstyear wrote:Is it just me, or does the 757 seem to have a lot of hydraulic issues, especially compared to an actual modern design like an A320 or 737NG?
rubberdogdo wrote:Considering the amount of fuel on board , one wonders the haste in conducting an emergency return if it was only one hydraulic system failure - if it was a dual system failure , no question about the return , just the completion of all QRH items to ensure what has happened , didn't . If it was a total (3) hydraulic system failure , then they're heroes. In other words , if it was 1 system out - Chief Pilot will be angry and the crew could possibly be dismissed , 2 systems out - good job but many questions about decision making , skill set and ability. 3 systems out - heroes. The investigation should be fairly straightforward - FDR and CVR will tell loads.
stlgph wrote:Half the fleet - damn, will be interesting to see how they survive, if they survive.
And if they do, will be interesting to see how the magic unfolds as the 757 let them be pushed off into the corner Gate 1 at T1 at JFK since there arent too many open gate spaces for a larger frame when they come and go.
BoeingGuy wrote:, why do you think there are questions about decision making? IIRC, the QRH says to land at the nearest suitable airport, which is what they did.
In fact, if one failed, why do you believe the crew should be dismissed? Do you think they should have continued to Toronto?
BoeingGuy wrote:rubberdogdo wrote:Considering the amount of fuel on board , one wonders the haste in conducting an emergency return if it was only one hydraulic system failure - if it was a dual system failure , no question about the return , just the completion of all QRH items to ensure what has happened , didn't . If it was a total (3) hydraulic system failure , then they're heroes. In other words , if it was 1 system out - Chief Pilot will be angry and the crew could possibly be dismissed , 2 systems out - good job but many questions about decision making , skill set and ability. 3 systems out - heroes. The investigation should be fairly straightforward - FDR and CVR will tell loads.
With all due respect, I'm guessing you don't know what you are talking about. First of all, the airplane would be uncontrollable with all three Hydraulic systems out.
If two Hydraulic Systems failed, why do you think there are questions about decision making? IIRC, the QRH says to land at the nearest suitable airport, which is what they did.
In fact, if one failed, why do you believe the crew should be dismissed? Do you think they should have continued to Toronto?
aemoreira1981 wrote:stlgph wrote:Half the fleet - damn, will be interesting to see how they survive, if they survive.
And if they do, will be interesting to see how the magic unfolds as the 757 let them be pushed off into the corner Gate 1 at T1 at JFK since there arent too many open gate spaces for a larger frame when they come and go.
The gate that can fit a small plane can fit a plane as large as a Boeing 767-300ER...OS uses that gate when they operate a 767 from VIE to JFK. The question now is from whom will OJ source a frame (the 767 they fly is owned by OJ).
rubberdogdo wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:rubberdogdo wrote:Considering the amount of fuel on board , one wonders the haste in conducting an emergency return if it was only one hydraulic system failure - if it was a dual system failure , no question about the return , just the completion of all QRH items to ensure what has happened , didn't . If it was a total (3) hydraulic system failure , then they're heroes. In other words , if it was 1 system out - Chief Pilot will be angry and the crew could possibly be dismissed , 2 systems out - good job but many questions about decision making , skill set and ability. 3 systems out - heroes. The investigation should be fairly straightforward - FDR and CVR will tell loads.
With all due respect, I'm guessing you don't know what you are talking about. First of all, the airplane would be uncontrollable with all three Hydraulic systems out.
If two Hydraulic Systems failed, why do you think there are questions about decision making? IIRC, the QRH says to land at the nearest suitable airport, which is what they did.
In fact, if one failed, why do you believe the crew should be dismissed? Do you think they should have continued to Toronto?
UAL 282 and DHL OO-DLL were both uncontrollable as well but each made it to a runway , sort of - hence the hero comment. With 2 systems out , nearest SUITABLE probably meant a more longer , suitable runway , as they did in fact over run. Hence the question about decision making. With one system out , there is no reason not to continue to Toronto. Oh , and by the way , I do know what I'm talking about Boeing ( wise ) guy.
1989worstyear wrote:Is it just me, or does the 757 seem to have a lot of hydraulic issues, especially compared to an actual modern design like an A320 or 737NG?
stlgph wrote:aemoreira1981 wrote:stlgph wrote:Half the fleet - damn, will be interesting to see how they survive, if they survive.
And if they do, will be interesting to see how the magic unfolds as the 757 let them be pushed off into the corner Gate 1 at T1 at JFK since there arent too many open gate spaces for a larger frame when they come and go.
The gate that can fit a small plane can fit a plane as large as a Boeing 767-300ER...OS uses that gate when they operate a 767 from VIE to JFK. The question now is from whom will OJ source a frame (the 767 they fly is owned by OJ).
Yes, good point, they *DO* have the 767 left in the fleet but I don't think I've ever seen it come through JFK. Could it be too much plane for the scope of their operations? Of course I could be wrong and it could have come through - anything is possible.
Of course, desperate times call for desperate measures and there probably are some leasing companies out there who would love the business.
Zidane wrote:Could she be repaired?
If so, is it worth it?
rubberdogdo wrote:Besides a few inoperable items , a single system failure is no drama except that it precludes autoland ability. As long as destination is above Cat 1 , truck on. The Captain is paid , trained and empowered to make both safety ( obvious priority #1 ) and commercial decisions , and I am saying there is nothing to preclude continuing to destination unless there are other mitigating circumstances to cause the crew to act otherwise. In this instance , the aircraft ended up in the weeds. Probably unnecessarily. I refer again to my previous statements.
Flyingdevil737 wrote:Is it a write off?.....
nine4nine wrote:Flyingdevil737 wrote:Is it a write off?.....
I’d say so. Engines, mains, and wings are shot. The repair would most likely far exceed the value of the aircraft.
Btw- what a crap livery, deff not a nice colorful representation of Jamaica or Caribbean for that matter. Looks like a livery from a stock aircraft on Microsoft Flight Sim 95’.
baje427 wrote:Happy to hear everyone is safe I have to say this is a huge blow for OJ sadly I suspect this is the end of the line for them.
litz wrote:Richard28 wrote:
That's an odd position for that engine; like it was rotating around the front bolt or something ... (shrug)
at any rate, the wing damage, from what can be seen, looks minimal; it's all behind the fence line.
So it's going to boil down to what kind of hull/wing damage, and some better daylight pictures.
Is this leased or owned?
rbavfan wrote:baje427 wrote:Happy to hear everyone is safe I have to say this is a huge blow for OJ sadly I suspect this is the end of the line for them.
1 crash does not mean it's the end for them. They have been fling from 2013 so that statement is rather short sighted from you.