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lightmac
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How hub-centric are the big Western airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:32 pm

Is it true that the big three European airline groups (IAG, LHG and AFKLM) have abandoned ALL non-hub flying? I believe Lufthansa was the only major airline that sill flew a considerable amount of domestic and non-domestic non-hub routes before they are all given to Eurowings. The US-BIG3 airlines, while also hub-centered still have more non-hub routes, but of course the "focus city" concept in North America (which I believe is largely unknown to European airlines) delutes this assessment, does it? So I guess the question is: Do the US3 have many NON-hub and NON-focus city routes left in comparison to their European peers?
 
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Re: How hub-centric are the big Western airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:36 pm

Take a look at some route maps. That will help you
 
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Re: How hub-centric are the big Western airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:54 pm

lightmac wrote:
Is it true that the big three European airline groups (IAG, LHG and AFKLM) have abandoned ALL non-hub flying? I believe Lufthansa was the only major airline that sill flew a considerable amount of domestic and non-domestic non-hub routes before they are all given to Eurowings. The US-BIG3 airlines, while also hub-centered still have more non-hub routes, but of course the "focus city" concept in North America (which I believe is largely unknown to European airlines) delutes this assessment, does it? So I guess the question is: Do the US3 have many NON-hub and NON-focus city routes left in comparison to their European peers?


The one that comes to mind is the seasonal PDX-LHR route, but that goes to the hub of effective DL subsidiary VS.
 
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Re: How hub-centric are the big Western airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:07 pm

For AF - does those HOP! flights out of LYS count? Although you can argue, to certain extent, that LYS (along with the likes of TLS or MRS, etc.) are somewhat "focus city" for AF.

Also, while US3 does have some non-hub/non-focus cities routes, those are getting somewhat rare, also. There are those DL/AA/UA seasonal flights to/from CUN, and a fair amount of flights (both seasonal and year-round) on DL to/from MCO to cities like IND or GRU (Ending) or AMS, although MCO is not really a hub/focus city for DL (but a large base). The amount of P2P routes are definitely not large, though, especially compare to, for example, PRC where CZ/CA/MU all have random P2P routes from secondary cities.
 
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Re: How hub-centric are the big Western airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:50 pm

In Europe subsidiaries operate under a differentiated brand (Level, Eurowings, Hop, Eldeweiss, Air Nostrum, etc) while in the US they don't (GoJet, American Eagle, etc) but P2P and non-hub flights are somehow limited on both sides.

Air Nostrum and EW seem to be less hub focused than their other european counterparts
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Re: How hub-centric are the big Western airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:58 pm

UA does not, but DL has some P2P routes from cities that are focus cities-lite or lower- PDX IND MKE PIT. AA only has some legacy regional routes out of BOS that get whittled down every year as B6 & DL chase them out.
 
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Re: How hub-centric are the big Western airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:05 pm

Maybe not the largest European airline, but SAS has a number of non-hub operations out of Göteborg and Bergen and possibly some other smaller airports as well. Their hubs are Oslo, Stockholm and Copenhagen.
 
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Re: How hub-centric are the big Western airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:14 pm

BobbyPSP wrote:
Take a look at some route maps. That will help you


If route maps showed seats per day - as with line thickness, for example - the degree of hub concentration would be even more dramatically evident. A single Delta Connection E75 BOS-JAX doesn't mean Delta isn't dramatically concentrated out of ATL in the Southeast.
 
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Re: How hub-centric are the big Western airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:15 pm

AA has a daily 772 from its former RDU hub to LHR.
 
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Re: How hub-centric are the big Western airlines?

Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:24 pm

BobbyPSP wrote:
Take a look at some route maps. That will help you


It's a bit harder now that UA has gone the AA route and removed the flight lines from their domestic flight map in the Hemispheres magazine.

Still have it for the International page at least.
 
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Re: How hub-centric are the big Western airlines?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:02 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Maybe not the largest European airline, but SAS has a number of non-hub operations out of Göteborg and Bergen and possibly some other smaller airports as well. Their hubs are Oslo, Stockholm and Copenhagen.


SAS is weird in that they have some short regional hops that are P2P out of necessity as it's much longer to drive than to fly. They have an extensive regional network within Scandinavia.

Also, airBaltic has some P2P routes outside of the Baltic regions.

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