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The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:23 pm

Here's a short report about the loved/hated A310 and it's current status around the world. The "sequel" may never be as good as the "original", perhaps, but this one managed to find a place in airlines' fleets and to keep it for 30+ years. I still remember when aout two decades ago they were commonly used on domestic European routes where they were a bit overqualified I think.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2018/11/06/the ... o-history/
 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:47 pm

Thanks for the link, but why do you think it was "hated"?
 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:49 pm

Always loved the A310.
Remember the good old days at LHR. Cyprus, Lufthansa, Turkish, TAP, Kenya Airways, Air Jamaica,
Tarom and probably missing a few?
My personal favourite if anyone remembers them was Diamond Sakha!

Bo)am
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:52 pm

Not hated, just an awkward fit for a lot of missions. Its combination of barely enough wing and a whole lot of engine wasn't really ideal, unless the goal was spectacular takeoffs. Those engines were waiting to grow a bit more, and for the airframe to grow along with them, and that happened with the A330.

Over shorter ranges, it had a hard time competing with narrowbody economics. Over long range, the 767 with its superior wing and ~20 t heavier MTOW was the better product.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:06 pm

BojamDelta wrote:
Always loved the A310.
Remember the good old days at LHR. Cyprus, Lufthansa, Turkish, TAP, Kenya Airways, probably missing a few?
My personal favourite if anyone remembers them was Diamond Sakha!
Bo)am

Absolutely loved Diamond Sakha! They operated some Aeroflot sectors from Moscow that originated further east if I recall.

Also — MEA, Swissair, Royal Jordanian, Austrian, Biman, Aeroflot are all A310 operators I fondly recall from classic Heathrow days. I don’t recall this personally but Emirates must have served Heathrow with A310s when they got started...?
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:08 pm

It was a great plane. I remember my first flight on it. It was actually my first experience with foreign aircraft. I remember my first huge surprise. I was expecting the usual "pop" of the pressurization system on my ears and the roar of engines. And then suddenly the plane started to roll and it was SO quiet. I believe the A310 put the foundation of my huge respect to Airbus that continues to this day.
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:11 pm

cedarjet wrote:
BojamDelta wrote:
Always loved the A310.
Remember the good old days at LHR. Cyprus, Lufthansa, Turkish, TAP, Kenya Airways, probably missing a few?
My personal favourite if anyone remembers them was Diamond Sakha!
Bo)am

Absolutely loved Diamond Sakha! They operated some Aeroflot sectors from Moscow that originated further east if I recall.

Also — MEA, Swissair, Royal Jordanian, Austrian, Biman, Aeroflot are all A310 operators I fondly recall from classic Heathrow days. I don’t recall this personally but Emirates must have served Heathrow with A310s when they got started...?


Yeah forgot about Royal Jordanian, a beauty!
Edited a couple more into my last post Air Jamaica and Tarom.

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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:16 pm

BojamDelta wrote:
Always loved the A310.
Remember the good old days at LHR. Cyprus, Lufthansa, Turkish, TAP, Kenya Airways, probably missing a few?
My personal favourite if anyone remembers them was Diamond Sakha!

During a visit to LHR in 1997 all the airlines you mention were present with the A310, if my memory doesn't fail me. I had forgotten about Diamond Sakha Airlines, but I remember them now. I even might have a photo of their A310 somewhere.
 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:17 pm

im pretty sure both PIA and Air India operated the A310 into LHR on the odd occasion?

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Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:20 pm

Will this be the shortest widebody ever produced or will the 797 come in even shorter?
 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:29 pm

cedarjet wrote:
I don’t recall this personally but Emirates must have served Heathrow with A310s when they got started...?

I should look up my old photobooks. I believe I have seen one of the Emirates A310's at Heathrow. They only operated a handful of aircraft around that time. Didn't Uzbekistan Airways also serve LHR with the A310?

I also remember seeing a Delta A310 at Amsterdam.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:37 pm

Fun memories! Rocket-like performance with just a moderate to light load.
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:42 pm

BartSimpson wrote:
but why do you think it was "hated"?


Not by me, on the contrary, but I've heard people or even read on this site that it is ugly, too fat, too short, etc.


seabosdca wrote:
Its combination of barely enough wing and a whole lot of engine wasn't really ideal, unless the goal was spectacular takeoffs. Those engines were waiting to grow a bit more


Exactly. I remember that often, when a Swissair's A312s were takeing off with their Pratts, they sounded like a heavy 747-200, except it was airborne in no time. A bit like the MD-11 some years later.

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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:44 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
I don’t recall this personally but Emirates must have served Heathrow with A310s when they got started...?

I should look up my old photobooks. I believe I have seen one of the Emirates A310's at Heathrow. They only operated a handful of aircraft around that time. Didn't Uzbekistan Airways also serve LHR with the A310?

I also remember seeing a Delta A310 at Amsterdam.


Yes Uzbekistan was another one before the Boeing’s took over.
On the subject of Delta isn’t there a picture on a.net of a nice line up of DL A310s at DUB or SNN?

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Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:48 pm

AR operated the A310-300 on the EZE-JFK route which was at the limit of the aircraft's range. Supplemental tanks had to be installed in order to reach JFK with a full payload. A few diversions to ORF en route to JFK were called for until the supplemental tanks were installed.
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:54 pm

Got to nonrev on PA A310s when I was a kid, and jumpseated on one of the same A310s at Fedex 12-13 years later! wonderful plane!

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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:37 am

seabosdca wrote:
Not hated, just an awkward fit for a lot of missions. Its combination of barely enough wing and a whole lot of engine wasn't really ideal, unless the goal was spectacular takeoffs. Those engines were waiting to grow a bit more, and for the airframe to grow along with them, and that happened with the A330.

Over shorter ranges, it had a hard time competing with narrowbody economics. Over long range, the 767 with its superior wing and ~20 t heavier MTOW was the better product.


The same size 767-200/200ER sold slightly fewer frames. The A310-300 offered slightly more payload than the 767-200ER, but less range.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:07 am

BojamDelta wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
BojamDelta wrote:
Always loved the A310.
Remember the good old days at LHR. Cyprus, Lufthansa, Turkish, TAP, Kenya Airways, probably missing a few?
My personal favourite if anyone remembers them was Diamond Sakha!
Bo)am

Absolutely loved Diamond Sakha! They operated some Aeroflot sectors from Moscow that originated further east if I recall.

Also — MEA, Swissair, Royal Jordanian, Austrian, Biman, Aeroflot are all A310 operators I fondly recall from classic Heathrow days. I don’t recall this personally but Emirates must have served Heathrow with A310s when they got started...?


Yeah forgot about Royal Jordanian, a beauty!
Edited a couple more into my last post Air Jamaica and Tarom.

Bo)am


A full list of the Airlines that have served LHR over the years on a regular basis with the Airbus A310,

Aeroflot
Air France
Air India
Air Jamaica
Air Malta (2 examples on short leases)
Air Transat
Austrian Airlines
Bangladesh Biman
CSA Czech Airlines
Cyprus Airways
Delta
Emirates
Iran Air
Kenya Airways
KLM
Kuwait Airways
Lufthansa
Middle East Airlines
Nigerian Airways
Oman Air
Pakistan International
Pan Am
Qatar Airways
Royal Jordanian Airlines
Sabena
Sudan Airways
Swissair
TAP Air Portugal
Tarom
Turkish Airlines
Uzbekistan Airways
Yemenia
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:38 am

Cunard wrote:
BojamDelta wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Absolutely loved Diamond Sakha! They operated some Aeroflot sectors from Moscow that originated further east if I recall.

Also — MEA, Swissair, Royal Jordanian, Austrian, Biman, Aeroflot are all A310 operators I fondly recall from classic Heathrow days. I don’t recall this personally but Emirates must have served Heathrow with A310s when they got started...?


Yeah forgot about Royal Jordanian, a beauty!
Edited a couple more into my last post Air Jamaica and Tarom.

Bo)am


A full list of the Airlines that have served LHR over the years on a regular basis with the Airbus A310,

Aeroflot
Air France
Air India
Air Jamaica
Air Malta (2 examples on short leases)
Air Transat
Austrian Airlines
Bangladesh Biman
CSA Czech Airlines
Cyprus Airways
Delta
Emirates
Iran Air
Kenya Airways
KLM
Kuwait Airways
Lufthansa
Middle East Airlines
Nigerian Airways
Oman Air
Pakistan International
Pan Am
Qatar Airways
Royal Jordanian Airlines
Sabena
Sudan Airways
Swissair
TAP Air Portugal
Tarom
Turkish Airlines
Uzbekistan Airways
Yemenia


I wasn't aware that Delta operated the A310 to LHR. Delta got Pan Am's A310's in the purchase but Pan Am had sold its LHR slots to United before the Delta buyout. When did Delta operate the A310 to LHR?
 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:47 am

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The same size 767-200/200ER sold slightly fewer frames. The A310-300 offered slightly more payload than the 767-200ER, but less range.


The problem was that the A310 ended up competing with the 767-300ER, not the -200ER, over range longer than the A300 could fly. Once the -300ER entered service in 1988, it was curtains for both the A310 and the 767-200ER.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:50 am

TTailed Tiger

Your absolutely correct regarding Delta and it's A310, it was a mistake on my part as they were obviously not used at LHR but they were seen at LGW after they had got the former Pan Am aircraft.

Cool username btw, perhaps you should open a thread about Flying Tiger Airlines if I'm assuming correctly regarding your username.

Now that would make for an interesting topic to discuss and especially as it would involve the merger with Seaboard World Airlines, two former airlines that aren't really discussed here on a.net :-)
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:03 am

Still see them at YUL often with Air Transat. Won't be much longer I suppose.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:17 am

seabosdca wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
The same size 767-200/200ER sold slightly fewer frames. The A310-300 offered slightly more payload than the 767-200ER, but less range.


The problem was that the A310 ended up competing with the 767-300ER, not the -200ER, over range longer than the A300 could fly. Once the -300ER entered service in 1988, it was curtains for both the A310 and the 767-200ER.


The A310 was not competing with the 767-300ER, it was competing with the 767-200/200ER, A310 255 frames, 767-200/200ER 249 frames.

The competition to the 767-300 EIS 1986 was the A300-600 EIS 1983, both in size and range. A300-600 about 310 frames, 767-300 104 frames.
There were about 250 frames build of the earlier A300 models, B1, B2 and B4, they had no competition at that time.

The A300-600R could not match the 767-300ER, so Airbus brought the A330.
 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:52 am

Flown all 3 of KU's A310s more times than I care to count, as well as AI's and EK's over the years.

Loved the plane - they don't make them like that anymore!
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:18 am

The problem for the A310 really was that it was too wide and too short, especially once the Boeing 767-200 got stretched and had much greater range despite being only 7-abreast that took much of its market segment. Only 5 years after the A310 entered service, the A330 and A340 began design to compete with the 767 and provide something in between the Boeing 747-300/400 and Boeing 767-300ER. The Boeing 767-300ER, despite being generally 7-abreast, has a greater exit-door limit. The final death knell for the A310 was the A321-200, which entered service in 1997. After that, no new A310 orders came (although the program wasn't officially canceled until the A300 was discontinued) and the last new A310 was built in 1998; the A300-600R surviving a bit longer thanks to FX and 5X (today consisting of more than half of the total A300s flying), and TS is the last major operator outside of Iran flying them, but the A321LR means those planes' days are numbered. (The only operator of scale after TS for passenger A310s is Mahan Air.)

By contrast, 5X and possibly FX could keep their A300 freighters flying another 17 years because they're large enough to carry a reasonable payload.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:14 am

It was designed for a different era. Oil prices hadn't gone through the roof, the a310 looked good for shortfall compared with
things like the trident, it was used on crazily short routes at times like LHR-AMS, todays level of frequency was not expected,
nobody dared use the 757 transatlantic and there was no such thing as the Eurostar and friends. Most Euro carriers were state owned
and their was pressure to buy the local product, and it could make it to NYC which at the time was still the main Atlantic gateway. DFW and
co where only just getting started. Then Enter the 767-300 that could easily make it from New York to Athens, Sydney to Hong Kong, DFW to Buenos Aires or LAX to Paris. Considering Airbus was still a newcomer at the time.... I'd still say it was a reasonable success.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:31 am

mjoelnir wrote:
The A310 was not competing with the 767-300ER, it was competing with the 767-200/200ER, A310 255 frames, 767-200/200ER 249 frames.

The competition to the 767-300 EIS 1986 was the A300-600 EIS 1983, both in size and range. A300-600 about 310 frames, 767-300 104 frames.
There were about 250 frames build of the earlier A300 models, B1, B2 and B4, they had no competition at that time.

The A300-600R could not match the 767-300ER, so Airbus brought the A330.


This is a blinkered view of how competition between airliners works. Start from the mission, not from the aircraft's capacity and range.

The A300 pre-600 was intended for high-capacity short-haul continental missions. Contra your statement, it had direct competition on those missions: the short-range variants of the trijets (DC-10-10, L-1011-1). It was a bit smaller than they were, but a lot more economical.

But then ETOPS began to be widely explored, and the A300's range was too short for typical ETOPS missions. The A310 was the result for Airbus, and the 767-200 was Boeing's response to the same demand. They initially seemed well-matched. But then each got more range a couple years later: A310-300 and 767-200ER. The -200ER was a warning sign because it showed that Boeing's wing would support higher weights and was more economical for long-range missions. But the coup de grace was the -300ER, intended to fly the same missions, but with much more payload range. Airbus's wing was too small to respond immediately. The best it could do was the A300-600, which was a better match for the 767-300A than the ER.

Then, of course, Airbus developed a new, much bigger, much better wing, and the manufacturers developed more powerful variants of their engines, and the A330 was the result. Once its IGW variant came out, the A330 did pretty much the same thing to the 767 that the 767 had done to the A300 and A310.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:31 am

A big ‘selling point’ for the A310 that turned out to be moot was its fuselage
diameter which allowed LD3 containers
to be carried side by side


This was thought to be a big advantage for
airlines operating DC10/ L1011 and B747
aircraft as it would allow the convenience
of interlining these containers between fleets



For some European airlines this may
have been a factor and a real advantage


But it wasn’t a consideration on the other
side of the Atlantic, in fact the narrower
fuselage of the 767 (and bigger wing)
significantly lowered drag and improved its
aerodynamics so much that it just blew
away the A310 on range and of course, sales
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:58 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
I wasn't aware that Delta operated the A310 to LHR. Delta got Pan Am's A310's in the purchase but Pan Am had sold its LHR slots to United before the Delta buyout. When did Delta operate the A310 to LHR?


Delta also got nine brand new A313s sometimes in 1992/93. The rego is the hint that let you distinct those from Pan Am's.

 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:14 am

BojamDelta wrote:
Always loved the A310.
Remember the good old days at LHR. Cyprus, Lufthansa, Turkish, TAP, Kenya Airways, Air Jamaica,
Tarom and probably missing a few?
My personal favourite if anyone remembers them was Diamond Sakha!

Bo)am


MEA too. Flew on theirs a few times out of LHR.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:30 am

I still remember the sight of a British Caledonian example on finals into Glasgow for a staff/PR visit, circa April 1984. At the time it was joining the ranks of the modern era of new jetliners, including the 757 and 767. I must say I thought I'd see it more often than that one time, B-Cal of course only had two and they really didn't fit into their operation as planned, soon to be moved on. Years later the Air Transat A310 appears on a fairly regular basis at GLA, but as said, even those days are numbered. I really must make the effort to try and catch a flight on this most endangered of species before it's too late.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:59 pm

Loved seeing the Air Transat ones in FLL going to Quebec City last year.
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:59 am

Armodeen wrote:
BojamDelta wrote:
Always loved the A310.
Remember the good old days at LHR. Cyprus, Lufthansa, Turkish, TAP, Kenya Airways, Air Jamaica,
Tarom and probably missing a few?
My personal favourite if anyone remembers them was Diamond Sakha!

Bo)am


MEA too. Flew on theirs a few times out of LHR.


I suggest that you read through this thread and back to my earlier post (18) where I have given a full list of airlines that flew the A310 to LHR where I have clearly listed MEA as being one of them.
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Cunard wrote:
BojamDelta wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Absolutely loved Diamond Sakha! They operated some Aeroflot sectors from Moscow that originated further east if I recall.

Also — MEA, Swissair, Royal Jordanian, Austrian, Biman, Aeroflot are all A310 operators I fondly recall from classic Heathrow days. I don’t recall this personally but Emirates must have served Heathrow with A310s when they got started...?


Yeah forgot about Royal Jordanian, a beauty!
Edited a couple more into my last post Air Jamaica and Tarom.

Bo)am


A full list of the Airlines that have served LHR over the years on a regular basis with the Airbus A310,

Air India


Air-India certainly had a sizebale A310 fleet but did not fly it on a regular basis to LHR....maybe the odd flight here and there......LHR was always served by the 747 in those days......AI used to fly the A310 into Birmingham and Manchester as I recall.....
 
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JannEejit wrote:
I still remember the sight of a British Caledonian example on finals into Glasgow for a staff/PR visit, circa April 1984. At the time it was joining the ranks of the modern era of new jetliners, including the 757 and 767. I must say I thought I'd see it more often than that one time, B-Cal of course only had two and they really didn't fit into their operation as planned, soon to be moved on. Years later the Air Transat A310 appears on a fairly regular basis at GLA, but as said, even those days are numbered. I really must make the effort to try and catch a flight on this most endangered of species before it's too late.


In my opinion those two British Caledonian Airways A310 were the best looking examples flying and for far too short a period, I was very upset at the time when BCAL sold them after only about 18 months service with the airline.

There are some great photos on Flickr of the two BCAL A310s side by side at LGW, being a BCAL fan I just love it when this once proud airlines name is ever brought up and just to read the airlines name as British Caledonian Airways brings a small to my face :-)
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:15 am

Gr8Circle wrote:
Cunard wrote:
BojamDelta wrote:

Yeah forgot about Royal Jordanian, a beauty!
Edited a couple more into my last post Air Jamaica and Tarom.

Bo)am


A full list of the Airlines that have served LHR over the years on a regular basis with the Airbus A310,

Air India


Air-India certainly had a sizebale A310 fleet but did not fly it on a regular basis to LHR....maybe the odd flight here and there......LHR was always served by the 747 in those days......AI used to fly the A310 into Birmingham and Manchester as I recall.....


I can't recall the years but Air India definitely used the A310 into LHR for a full season or two along with their B747, both were common site at LHR.

Also at some point the airline and I can't remember the time period but Air India also had a couple of leased L1011 that were also used to LHR.

You are correct that Air India used the A310 to both BHX and MAN and many years before they had reinstated BHX with the A310 the airline had previously served the the airport with the B707.
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:18 am

IMHO - the best looking Airbus
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:32 am

Air India did use A310s to Heathrow on a route from Madras (as it was then) I seem to remember twice a week including a saturday however they where leased ones, V2-LEC etc. This was a new route so was in addition to the 747s. Air India’s own A310s only went to Manchester on multihops via Rome and the gulf.

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Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:43 am

Got denied a chance to fly on one three years ago on RO from BRU-OTP when they subbed it for...wait for it...a 737-700 (Hell of a downgauge).

Hoping that my AirTransat flight from LGW to YUL next June doesn't change equipment...
 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:29 am

LH used their 313 in their last operating Time only on very short but much frequented routes like HAM-FRA or TXL-FRA. As far as I know LH never flew TATL with their 313.
 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:19 am

Cunard wrote:
Armodeen wrote:
BojamDelta wrote:
Always loved the A310.
Remember the good old days at LHR. Cyprus, Lufthansa, Turkish, TAP, Kenya Airways, Air Jamaica,
Tarom and probably missing a few?
My personal favourite if anyone remembers them was Diamond Sakha!

Bo)am


MEA too. Flew on theirs a few times out of LHR.


I suggest that you read through this thread and back to my earlier post (18) where I have given a full list of airlines that flew the A310 to LHR where I have clearly listed MEA as being one of them.


Yes thank you. I had not read that far when I replied, of course.
 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:22 am

Stubby little A310!

While it has some success in Europe, it never really took off in Asia IMO (not counting those currently in Iran), apart from a handful in Air India, Biman, Thailand and a trickle in China. The largest user was Singapore Airlines with 23 frames (6 -200s and 17 -300s), proudly marketed as 3TEN. -200 was introduced in 1984 with B757 as test bed which was more suitable for their heavy trunk regional routes. The 757's long and single aisle made boarding and de-boarding a lengthy process hence in the end, SQ dropped all four and sold to DL. More A310, including -300 joined the fleet at later date. Two -200s was also leased out to MI for regional leisure driven route but it was short lived. It played very important role in SQ history allowing them to open new Asian routes without using B777 Jubilee. During early 2000s, SQ started to lease out 310 to other airlines signalling its end. Their route was taken over by B777.

The last -300 was WFU in 2005 making 21 years of continuous services. For a short period, SQ operated all Boeing fleet after A310 removal until the arrival of A345Leadership. Those retired -300 went on to join few airlines with Air India taking most (11 out of total 17 operated by SQ), 1 each for Biman and Air Plus Comet, 2 to Air Paradise Int'l, 2 scrapped after leaving fleet. Source: airfleet.com

For -200s, of six operated, 3 went to MEA, one to Hapag Lloyd, two to Belgian Air Force. Source: airfleet.com
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:59 am

I might be wrong, but i remember EgyptAir did have A 310
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:13 am

BojamDelta wrote:
Always loved the A310.
My personal favourite if anyone remembers them was Diamond Sakha!
Bo)am

Hell yeah ... I flew HEL-SVO-PEK-SVO-HEL with SU back in 1996 and the SVO-PEK legs was operated by Diamond Sakha's A310. Oh man those were the flights to remember....
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:24 am

SOBHI51 wrote:
I might be wrong, but i remember EgyptAir did have A 310


They did not. On the African continent, Libyan Arab, Air Algérie, Nigeria Airways, Kenya Airways, Air Afrique did receive new A310s. Then several second-hand operators also use the type, such as Air Djibouti, Khaliffa Airways, Sudan Airways (which may have had a new one), Somali Airlines.
 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:43 am

SOBHI51 wrote:
I might be wrong, but i remember EgyptAir did have A 310

I think you mean Midwest Airlines of Egypt. One is still stored derelict at Cairo, another is now active with Iran Air as EP-IBK
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:55 am

All this chatter about Diamond Sakha but no pic. Tststs



Another remarkable colour scheme on the A310 was Balair’s with the yellow wings:

 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:01 pm

I remember Emirates, Austrian, Air India and Air Afrique to Johannesburg in the 90's.
 
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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:12 pm

AirbusOnly wrote:
LH used their 313 in their last operating Time only on very short but much frequented routes like HAM-FRA or TXL-FRA. As far as I know LH never flew TATL with their 313.


Lufthansa flew the A310 on HAM-EWR and DUS-EWR in the 90s. I think - but Im not sure - they even operated CGN-NYC for a short time with the A310.

This is a 1992 Hamburg Airport schedule:

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Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:16 pm

What was nice about this plane was if you could sit right at the front, the first few windows actually looked forwards a bit as the front of the fuselage starts to curve before it gets to the cockpit.

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