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Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:51 pm

They needed to go well over a decade ago. They are consistently unreliable and have been for years. Every other airline retired them long ago. And AA has been saying for many years they are going to get rid of them. Why has it taken them so long?
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:59 pm

Bankruptcy, perhaps? As a fleet average, not individual experience, they’re reliable and cheap.

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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:30 pm

TriL1011Star wrote:
Every other airline retired them long ago. And AA has been saying for many years they are going to get rid of them. Why has it taken them so long?


Is DL still flying MD-80s? How about Allegiant?
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:08 pm

TriL1011Star wrote:
They needed to go well over a decade ago. They are consistently unreliable and have been for years. Every other airline retired them long ago. And AA has been saying for many years they are going to get rid of them. Why has it taken them so long?

AA at one point had ~350 of them. It takes a while to retire a fleet that large unless you want to slash and burn your network (like PMUA did with the 737s).
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:11 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
TriL1011Star wrote:
Every other airline retired them long ago. And AA has been saying for many years they are going to get rid of them. Why has it taken them so long?


Is DL still flying MD-80s? How about Allegiant?


DL invested a ton in the M88s. They certainly do not feel 30 years old inside. AA’s feel very, umm, 1987.
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:11 pm

Whats the best way to fly one? From ORD or DFW?
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:16 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Whats the best way to fly one? From ORD or DFW?

DFW. Except for a maybe a few remaining outliers that is only where they fly out of now.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:18 pm

Delta has a poopload of MD-80s left.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:29 pm

Polot wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Whats the best way to fly one? From ORD or DFW?

DFW. Except for a maybe a few remaining outliers that is only where they fly out of now.


Yes you're right. DFW. The only remaining MD-80 routes with AA that do not touch DFW are ORD to MSP, STL and RDU. I won't be surprised if ORD looses the MD-80 by the end of this year, because with a fleet of only 30 aircraft if not less (26 by the end of 2018/early 2019) it doesn't makes sense to keep two bases. However, there are rumors that once a week, on Saturdays only, DFW-ORD might see one MD-80 daily, then the airplane would fly to STL or TUL and then back home to DFW. That's one triangle trip, with three legs, that would occur once weekly. Again, that's just a rumor, it hasn't been officially announced. Other than that, no more MD-80 at ORD.

A handful of them might still be in the fleet by 2020, but definitely not 2021. By then the youngest MD-80 will be 20! And the retirement of the 738 will begin.
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:50 pm

ORD does in fact lose all MD80s in January. I’m sure the Mad Dog will make an appearance at ORD before all are in ROW.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:08 pm

They got them very very cheap. Made sense for them you wear them out
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:17 pm

To punish those poor souls who have to sit in the last and second to last rows with punishing engine noise, no view outside except the engine, and having the rear flight attendant sit in the aisle during takeoff and landing.

Absolutely the worst ride in aviation, hands down are the rear two aisles of an MD 80.

Weirdly enough, the front of the plane, especially on the 2 seat side is the quietest ride in aviation. Ha ha a tale of two cities in one single aisle aircraft.
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:25 pm

Why not, their paid for, fuel prices are low, they outlasted the 727's and they were built to last.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:38 pm

TriL1011Star wrote:
They needed to go well over a decade ago. They are consistently unreliable and have been for years. Every other airline retired them long ago. And AA has been saying for many years they are going to get rid of them. Why has it taken them so long?


just a question. How old are you? Just wondering not a jab at you,

AA had 350+ MD-80s and it takes time to replace them and it is expensive to do so. With oil falling after 2014, there was less reason for AA to used cash or go further into debt to buy new planes immediately.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:42 pm

One of the other factors in AA keeping these planes so long as that "patch jobs" were easier to handle than on Boeing aircraft. Remember Aloha 243? Douglas (and MD) aircraft were designed to be easier to patch, hence somewhat needing less time in repairs, and extending their lives.

This obviously doesn't hold to true to electronics and other parts of the airplane, but it did extend their service life. But nothing lasts forever, and the gradual replacement of these birds is eventually go finish. I will miss the 2x3 seating!!
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:45 pm

Personally, I love em. Built like tanks, and if you’re in the exit row or forward, pretty quiet. I’ll be sad to see them go.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:49 pm

Most remaining frames at AA are under 22 years old; this is younger than many A320 and 737 still flying but with MD-80 higher cycle limits they could get cabin refresh and go on another decade.

They are being withdrawn due to a lack of OEM parts support and the higher fuel consumption of the JT8D, not due to fleet age.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:10 pm

Veigar wrote:
Delta has a poopload of MD-80s left.

No need to use such language here.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:17 pm

TriL1011Star wrote:
They needed to go well over a decade ago.

How can someone who uses the name TriL1011Star complain about real aircraft?

TriL1011Star wrote:
Every other airline retired them long ago.

Not true. Delta did not retire them.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:22 pm

TriL1011Star wrote:
They needed to go well over a decade ago. They are consistently unreliable and have been for years. Every other airline retired them long ago. And AA has been saying for many years they are going to get rid of them. Why has it taken them so long?

Delta Air Lines might not be an airline then...
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:41 pm

These are becoming the MW DC-9 threads.
1. These are not reliable. While they are still at 99% dispatch reliability, the market has moved on to expecting 99 3%. That means far more idle spares. Old standards do not meet today's expectations.
2. They burn more fuel than a 738 with winglets and the latest engine PIPs. About 25% more in fact. The MD-80 is static. The 738 has cut fuel burn 12% since EIS (more with scimitar winglets). The max burns 15% less.
3. The old school "I have a problem" maintenance costs twice what "I need a part replaced within 400 flights" maintenance. While predictive maintenance in the MAX didn't go as far as the NEO or A220, this still cuts maintenance costs per flight 25%+.

As low utilized spares or fly only on the busiest day aircraft (what DL uses them for), they work. But as soon as enough cheap used A319s can be bought (who G4 has been upgrading CEO predictive maintenance because the new avionics pay for themselves).

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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:44 pm

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To punish those poor souls who have to sit in the last and second to last rows with punishing engine noise, no view outside except the engine, and having the rear flight attendant sit in the aisle during takeoff and landing.

Absolutely the worst ride in aviation, hands down are the rear two aisles of an MD 80.

Weirdly enough, the front of the plane, especially on the 2 seat side is the quietest ride in aviation. Ha ha a tale of two cities in one single aisle aircraft.


I'm sure you know that there is an option, it's called Main Cabin Extra and it's not even expensive. I would take a MD80 over a 738 with 3-3 and its shitty modern seats any day.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:44 pm

It sure is a more comfortable aircraft than a 3-3-3 787 or 3-4-3 777.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:47 pm

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To punish those poor souls who have to sit in the last and second to last rows with punishing engine noise, no view outside except the engine, and having the rear flight attendant sit in the aisle during takeoff and landing.

Absolutely the worst ride in aviation, hands down are the rear two aisles of an MD 80.

Weirdly enough, the front of the plane, especially on the 2 seat side is the quietest ride in aviation. Ha ha a tale of two cities in one single aisle aircraft.



i've only flown in the back row of a maddog once and i'm pretty sure my hearing has never recovered
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:51 pm

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Most remaining frames at AA are under 22 years old; this is younger than many A320 and 737 still flying but with MD-80 higher cycle limits they could get cabin refresh and go on another decade.

They are being withdrawn due to a lack of OEM parts support and the higher fuel consumption of the JT8D, not due to fleet age.


The MD80s are older than all but a handful of the 737s and A320s at AA. They're a generation behind the A32x CEO/737NG and two generations behind the MAX and the eventual A32x NEOs. They simply aren't economical anymore.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:51 pm

I wish AA put as much effort into retiring the 763s. I'd rather fly the MD80 domestically(I fly mostly F) than fly the tattered 767s internationally. Those MD80 F seats are more comfortable than the current narrowbody F seats... excluding the 757L and A321T.
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:55 pm

DC9s were flown at DL up to about 40 years old. 100k+ cycle life allows for that. It also makes short hops cheaper (short hops burn out A320s and 737s more quickly). That's what DL figured out, then AA caught on.
Then came the issues with the flight instruments. The first gen glass cockpits are becoming unreliable, and need some expensive mods for future navigation requirements. DL was going to do an M8K upgrade, but that got sidetracked.
Finally, Pratt dropped support of the JT8D. That was the death knell for the MD80. AA and DL will park them all by the end of next year.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:58 pm

EricAY05 wrote:
texdravid wrote:
To punish those poor souls who have to sit in the last and second to last rows with punishing engine noise, no view outside except the engine, and having the rear flight attendant sit in the aisle during takeoff and landing.

Absolutely the worst ride in aviation, hands down are the rear two aisles of an MD 80.

Weirdly enough, the front of the plane, especially on the 2 seat side is the quietest ride in aviation. Ha ha a tale of two cities in one single aisle aircraft.


I'm sure you know that there is an option, it's called Main Cabin Extra and it's not even expensive. I would take a MD80 over a 738 with 3-3 and its shitty modern seats any day.


Yup a million times over. Give me an S80 seat any day of the week over pretty much any other AA domestic seat. Compared to AA's 7M8, the S80 is like CX F in comparison.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:59 pm

I for one will be incredibly sad when they depart the AA Network having completed 50-75 segments aboard them. To be honest, its all I knew when I began flying often for work and living in DFW in the early 2000's. I was excited when the brand new 737-800's and E175's arrived, but I quickly realized the MD80 was the better plane in some key areas.

They are vastly more stable in rough air, particularly when climbing away from departure. Not having a big vertical stabilizer helps!

The MD80 is one of the most comfortable First Class seats available domestically.

They are sturdily built.

The economy seating, being ancient by aviation standards, have much thicker seat cushions that newer planes.

I rode one a couple weeks ago and hope I can snag a couple more before they are gone :(

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Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:30 pm

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The MD80s are older than all but a handful of the 737s and A320s at AA. They're a generation behind the A32x CEO/737NG and two generations behind the MAX and the eventual A32x NEOs. They simply aren't economical anymore.


true. I was referring generally to the industry where older / similar aged 737 and 32x fleets are still operating or recently retired (like the vast majority of the AA 80s) such as at WN, DL, UA, AC etc.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:47 pm

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Pratt dropped support of the JT8D. That was the death knell for the MD80. AA and DL will park them all by the end of next year.

But wasn't that triggered by an Airworthiness Directive a few years ago? PW responded, asked major operators how many engines would be kept in service, so they could manufacture replacement parts, and were told none. Operators answered we will source from existing new and used spares.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:54 pm

The last of the AA MD-80s will be retired by early next year. The MD-80 simulators have not and will not be upgraded for the Extended Envelope Training required by the FAA in 2019. Good thing, because MD-80 pilots would be stunned to know what happens when an MD-80 actually stalls.

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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:57 pm

jagraham wrote:
Finally, Pratt dropped support of the JT8D. That was the death knell for the MD80. AA and DL will park them all by the end of next year.


My understanding was that the M88 would last into 2020 for DL, has that been accelerated?


I'll miss the AA MD-80s. I'm on the final G4 MD80 flight though, fortunately. After these three retire them the only place you'll be able to fly them will be in far flung parts of the world, and that's a strange thought after throwing bags into them for the last year.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:01 pm

smartplane wrote:
jagraham wrote:
Pratt dropped support of the JT8D. That was the death knell for the MD80. AA and DL will park them all by the end of next year.

But wasn't that triggered by an Airworthiness Directive a few years ago? PW responded, asked major operators how many engines would be kept in service, so they could manufacture replacement parts, and were told none. Operators answered we will source from existing new and used spares.

Yea, support is harder to come by now but a large part of that is because AA made the decision to retire them. AA, DL, and G4 are the biggest operators of the type. AA has shed over 300 of them, DL is quickly retiring them (roughly 20 retired so far this year), and G4 is done with them at the end of this month.

The MD-80 is a great aircraft but as others has said it is 2 generations old now. It may be built like a tank, but just like a tank its fuel economy and upkeep costs are horrible. With roughly a bajillion 737NGs and A320s built there is no need for MD80s anymore both with the primary operators and for secondhand use.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:12 pm

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Polot wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Whats the best way to fly one? From ORD or DFW?

DFW. Except for a maybe a few remaining outliers that is only where they fly out of now.


Yes you're right. DFW. The only remaining MD-80 routes with AA that do not touch DFW are ORD to MSP, STL and RDU. I won't be surprised if ORD looses the MD-80 by the end of this year, because with a fleet of only 30 aircraft if not less (26 by the end of 2018/early 2019) it doesn't makes sense to keep two bases. However, there are rumors that once a week, on Saturdays only, DFW-ORD might see one MD-80 daily, then the airplane would fly to STL or TUL and then back home to DFW. That's one triangle trip, with three legs, that would occur once weekly. Again, that's just a rumor, it hasn't been officially announced. Other than that, no more MD-80 at ORD.

A handful of them might still be in the fleet by 2020, but definitely not 2021. By then the youngest MD-80 will be 20! And the retirement of the 738 will begin.


Thanks for that. Whats the best day trip route from DFW perhaps? Do they fly to IAH still from DFW?
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:26 pm

Byrdluvs747 wrote:
I wish AA put as much effort into retiring the 763s. I'd rather fly the MD80 domestically(I fly mostly F) than fly the tattered 767s internationally. Those MD80 F seats are more comfortable than the current narrowbody F seats... excluding the 757L and A321T.


AA is retiring the 763 as soon as the next batch of 788s come in. That's about as fast as they can do it. By 2023 all 763s will be gone.

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I for one will be incredibly sad when they depart the AA Network having completed 50-75 segments aboard them. To be honest, its all I knew when I began flying often for work and living in DFW in the early 2000's. I was excited when the brand new 737-800's and E175's arrived, but I quickly realized the MD80 was the better plane in some key areas.

They are vastly more stable in rough air, particularly when climbing away from departure. Not having a big vertical stabilizer helps!

The MD80 is one of the most comfortable First Class seats available domestically.

They are sturdily built.

The economy seating, being ancient by aviation standards, have much thicker seat cushions that newer planes.

I rode one a couple weeks ago and hope I can snag a couple more before they are gone :(

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You know, it's just so remarkable that we see the same thing in the long-haul motorcoach industry. We were excited and still get excited whenever we see the new designs hitting the market, but every time I go back to preferring the old 1990s 102D3 and 102DL3 models. Just like the MD-80, the old buses are more stable, last much longer, feature much more comfortable seats, and importantly for us, they actually burn less diesel than the latest and greatest (about 10% to 20% more efficient depending on the model, engine, and gear ratio).

So for us there is absolutely no reason to buy a newer model except when going into California, where pre-2011 buses are banned. If California enacted the same ban for airplanes, every MD-80 and most 738s. Sacramento really hates bus companies.

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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:54 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
TriL1011Star wrote:
They needed to go well over a decade ago. They are consistently unreliable and have been for years. Every other airline retired them long ago. And AA has been saying for many years they are going to get rid of them. Why has it taken them so long?


just a question. How old are you? Just wondering not a jab at you,

AA had 350+ MD-80s and it takes time to replace them and it is expensive to do so. With oil falling after 2014, there was less reason for AA to used cash or go further into debt to buy new planes immediately.


Let me put my captain obvious. My arms are waving. Let's say you vigorously replace a fleet. 2 new jets arrive MONTHLY. This is quite fast. Well, it takes a mere 14.6 years to complete that fleet renewal. That is the scale we are talking about.

It just takes a while, and there is nothing that makes a properly maintained MD-80 either dangerous or prohibitively expensive for an airline to fly. It was a correct decision to use up these airplanes. They ran the numbers.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:43 pm

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To punish those poor souls who have to sit in the last and second to last rows with punishing engine noise, no view outside except the engine, and having the rear flight attendant sit in the aisle during takeoff and landing.

Absolutely the worst ride in aviation, hands down are the rear two aisles of an MD 80.

Weirdly enough, the front of the plane, especially on the 2 seat side is the quietest ride in aviation. Ha ha a tale of two cities in one single aisle aircraft.


Your opinion. I don't mind the last few rows on an MD-80, drowns out the noise of screaming children and drunken loudmouths. :mrgreen:
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:00 pm

The AA 763's didn't have to be as rough as they are, they are just fairly early builds compared to other carriers and AA waited way to long to invest in them due to the bankruptcy. Austrian did a great job upgrading their equally old 763's, as did Delta. The AA 763's are fine in biz class (I've done MIA-LIM-MIA), but terrible in Y. They do however let AA continue to serve some far-flung destinations, ill be on one to MVD in January. I hope that route can hang on with the 788, along with COR.

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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:28 pm

texdravid wrote:
To punish those poor souls who have to sit in the last and second to last rows with punishing engine noise, no view outside except the engine, and having the rear flight attendant sit in the aisle during takeoff and landing.

Absolutely the worst ride in aviation, hands down are the rear two aisles of an MD 80.

Weirdly enough, the front of the plane, especially on the 2 seat side is the quietest ride in aviation. Ha ha a tale of two cities in one single aisle aircraft.


I wouldn't mind sitting near the back of the S80 to hear the loud engines, since I'm an airplane nut; I flew an AA S80 (Super 80, an alternative naming to the MD-80) for the very first time on my trip to ABQ this past August and the flight was about 90% full when I booked the flight; the back seats were so filled that I had to sit in a seat that I had to cough up a few extra bucks on to avoid the DMS (Dreaded Middle Seat); unfortunately, I couldn't hear the roaring engines well (since I was sitting in the middle section of the cabin). Other than that, the interior cabin was maintained fairly well, the seat (despite its age) was slightly above average (more comfortable than AA's B738 and its LUS B752 fleet), and the strangest but more interesting thing: a deadheading co-pilot was my seat mate! Overall, not a bad experience on the MD-80; I would fly those again, but to try sitting in the back to hear those loud engines! :)
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:12 am

As a youngster I travelled from London to Hong Kong in the rear most row of a VC10

Between four engines !


And numerous stops, that was noisy, but what an adventure it was
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:26 am

Many Mad Dog trips. Great airplanes.

Yeah, the "shrapnel" seats are a bit loud, but those foam earplugs do wonders. Not any louder than the front of an L-188 or a -580.
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:34 am

There are 737s/A320s flying that aren’t any younger. AA operated the MDs at a scale no other airline operated them at, with their economies of scale, they have gotten longer shelf life out of them. AA would not be flying them if they weren’t making money.
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:42 am

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jagraham wrote:
Pratt dropped support of the JT8D. That was the death knell for the MD80. AA and DL will park them all by the end of next year.

But wasn't that triggered by an Airworthiness Directive a few years ago? PW responded, asked major operators how many engines would be kept in service, so they could manufacture replacement parts, and were told none. Operators answered we will source from existing new and used spares.

What happened is AA dropped support. Only DL paid prior to AA dropping support. So Pratt was committed to one more year of support at not much profit. Delta used that year to buy up enough parts from vendors at the prior rates to keep running their MD-80 fleet (AA had a huge stockpile).

Everyone else is scrounging. With their huge retired fleet, AA has no trouble finding parts.

Pratt had no choice but to shutdown the vendor network for otherwise they would have to pay huge fees. Almost all vendors made 3 to 12 extra engine sets to sell at 3X the prior prices when they made the batches of parts for DL. Most will make a batch (usual industrial minimum is 25) if someone is willing to buy 5 to 10 (at 3X prior prices which is the batch is paid for and a few more to sell). But... no one is buying. Everyone is scrounging. Except AA. They are selling a few parts opportunistically while they debate how long to keep the fleet operating.

Because there is no vendor chain, I'm not understanding the freight conversions. Scrounging works until that one parts becomes as rare as unicorn horn. Then, assuming the vendor can still supply that part, they sell at a steep price. We're not there yet.

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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:10 am

What are you talking about? AA doesn't even have 30 MD80s left.

Delta still has hundreds of MD80s and MD90s.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:44 am

Arion640 wrote:
American 767 wrote:
Polot wrote:
DFW. Except for a maybe a few remaining outliers that is only where they fly out of now.


Yes you're right. DFW. The only remaining MD-80 routes with AA that do not touch DFW are ORD to MSP, STL and RDU. I won't be surprised if ORD looses the MD-80 by the end of this year, because with a fleet of only 30 aircraft if not less (26 by the end of 2018/early 2019) it doesn't makes sense to keep two bases. However, there are rumors that once a week, on Saturdays only, DFW-ORD might see one MD-80 daily, then the airplane would fly to STL or TUL and then back home to DFW. That's one triangle trip, with three legs, that would occur once weekly. Again, that's just a rumor, it hasn't been officially announced. Other than that, no more MD-80 at ORD.

A handful of them might still be in the fleet by 2020, but definitely not 2021. By then the youngest MD-80 will be 20! And the retirement of the 738 will begin.


Thanks for that. Whats the best day trip route from DFW perhaps? Do they fly to IAH still from DFW?


You are welcome. I'm not sure they still fly it to IAH. I would think, for a day trip out of DFW, pick ELP, ABQ, STL, MSY or OKC. There are other destinations where they still fly the MD-80s to, RDU, CMH and CLE for example, again from DFW, but they are too far out if you want a roundtrip itinerary same day. I mention the destinations reachable on an MD-80 within 2 hours or less from DFW, as far as I know. I hope you will find the right trip that suits you.
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:07 am

I believe AA still flies some of the TWA inherited -80s? Some of those were the last off the production line in the late 1990s. I think 1998? Not any older than some of their first 737s and 757s. If 1998 built is old, somebody's likely college age or younger and can't remember twenty years ago. Essentially a liftetime when youre still wet behind the ears,

DL was taking new deliveries until 1994ish.

Personally, I'll take an MD-80 over any thing else still flying in this country when I have the option. A real jet that sounds like a jet, is loud and makes smoke. All the other real planes I grew up with are gone. Nothing interesting about A320, 737, or RJ's. They don't even sound like jets are suppose to sound.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:24 am

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
I believe AA still flies some of the TWA inherited -80s? Some of those were the last off the production line in the late 1990s. I think 1998? Not any older than some of their first 737s and 757s. If 1998 built is old, somebody's likely college age or younger and can't remember twenty years ago. Essentially a liftetime when youre still wet behind the ears,

28 of the 30 MDs are from TWA. These are at least 10 years younger than the two (almost 30 years old) that American took factory fresh.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:26 am

My AA A321 AUS-DFW was taken out of service last night and replaced with an MD80. Seat 5F - comfy and quiet. Gonna miss them.
 
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Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:47 am

My longest flight ever was not SYD-DFW but ORD-SAN on an AA MD80 back in the early 2000s.
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