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TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:39 pm

This is not the best written article, and we already knew that TAP was going to install lie-flat seats on their A321LR's but this is the first time that I'm seeing anything more specific about the seats.
https://airlinegeeks.com/2018/11/09/exc ... ess-class/
This is yet another sign that B6 and TP continue to move towards an ever closer relationship, IMO.
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:27 pm

With A321LRs being put into Trans-Atlantic routes by more and more airlines, lie-flat business class on A321LRs will become standard.

Note that AA and Aer Lingus also have lie-flat business class on A321/A321LRs, so it's not just a B6 thing.
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:54 pm

LIS-TLV has already been announced as the first route...a brand-new route for TP (with a RON at TLV). I'd expect EWR, JFK, or BOS to be next...and I have to wonder if TP will try to compete on NYC-TLV (via LIS) using the A321LR. The other thing is: this is introducing a true J seat in Europe short-to-mid-haul travel; might this force legacy European carriers to put in lie-flat seats on their most premium routes?
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:19 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
LIS-TLV has already been announced as the first route...a brand-new route for TP (with a RON at TLV). I'd expect EWR, JFK, or BOS to be next...and I have to wonder if TP will try to compete on NYC-TLV (via LIS) using the A321LR. The other thing is: this is introducing a true J seat in Europe short-to-mid-haul travel; might this force legacy European carriers to put in lie-flat seats on their most premium routes?


Was thinking the same thing, similar to what BMED did? From LHR what are those mid-range premium routes? Are there more from LIS?
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:21 pm

The article reads like TP are planning something radically different from other airlines. It isn’t. EI have already announced YUL and MSP from July next. They will have 16J (Thomson Vantage) and 170Y.

For sure it’s an interesting time for trans-Atlantic airlines and watchers.
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:30 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
The article reads like TP are planning something radically different from other airlines. It isn’t. EI have already announced YUL and MSP from July next. They will have 16J (Thomson Vantage) and 170Y.

For sure it’s an interesting time for trans-Atlantic airlines and watchers.


Within Europe (I know Israel is in another continent, but as far as the IATA is concerned, they're in the European region), this is odd though (not counting wide-body intra-European services such as MAD-TLV on UX, HEL-LHR on AY, or LHR-MAD on IB or BA). This might be the first route within the IATA Europe region (which counts Israel) that has an international J product (excluding the BA ex-BD A321s with Club World).
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:47 pm

raylee67 wrote:
Note that AA and Aer Lingus also have lie-flat business class on A321/A321LRs, so it's not just a B6 thing.

You missed the point entirely or I didn't make it clear. TP is installing the same exact hard product as B6 which is very unusual.
Most airlines operating narrowbodies with lie-flat have a 2-2 configuration. Only B6 has the throne/suite seat in J in a 1-1 configuration, and now TP will have that too.

BrianDromey wrote:
The article reads like TP are planning something radically different from other airlines. It isn’t. EI have already announced YUL and MSP from July next. They will have 16J (Thomson Vantage) and 170Y. "

I didn't get that from the article at all. In fact it points out that others are already flying TATL with the A321.
Where it attempts to single out TAP, is in its use of "suits" in J, similar to the B6 product. Will EI have rows with 1-1 seating in J?

"In a 16-seat configuration, TAP will likely offer two types of seats, paired couple seats and singular throne seats. The paired rows feature the standard 2-2 configuration while the throne rows feature a 1-1 configuration. Throne seats offer direct aisle access, are ideal for solo travelers and offer maximum privacy, especially on JetBlue since there is a door to make the seat into an enclosed suite."
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:48 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
This might be the first route within the IATA Europe region (which counts Israel) that has an international J product (excluding the BA ex-BD A321s with Club World).


IB also had/has a sub-fleet of Airbus 319 equipped with an improved business class. It was called Business Club and featured large 2+2 seats and a PSP for Personal IFE. It was used from MAD to DME (which I think it also counts as Europe for IATA) TLV and several Africa destinations.
It was not lie-flat as Business Plus on widebodies but a huge jump from the usual EuroJ with 3+3 with blocked middle seat.

Not sure what happened to that subfleet, but some kind of better J cabin would fore sure be launched again on the 321NEO as the come in for those Central Africa destinations and the limited DME service.
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:56 pm

airbazar wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Note that AA and Aer Lingus also have lie-flat business class on A321/A321LRs, so it's not just a B6 thing.

You missed the point entirely or I didn't make it clear. TP is installing the same exact hard product as B6 which is very unusual.
Most airlines operating narrowbodies with lie-flat have a 2-2 configuration. Only B6 has the throne/suite seat in J in a 1-1 configuration, and now TP will have that too.

It's not unusual if you take into consideration TP's current J-class config in their widebodies. The most similar hard product they can put in is the one they're choosing, also coincidentally the one B6 chose. I think that's as far as you can read into the choice.
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:57 pm

I imagine these will be used on LIS-Moscow as well, no?

I believe they will use them as well to go daily on OPO-EWR (replace the pre-historic A330 currently doing it 3 times a week). Are there any other long-haul routes that TP flies less than daily in which this could be used to add frequency without necessarily changing capacity all that much? Perhaps something in the Northeast of Brazil or even Caracas? That would free up some A330s for new long-haul routes or increased frequency on existing ones.
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:59 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
LIS-TLV has already been announced as the first route...a brand-new route for TP (with a RON at TLV). I'd expect EWR, JFK, or BOS to be next...and I have to wonder if TP will try to compete on NYC-TLV (via LIS) using the A321LR. The other thing is: this is introducing a true J seat in Europe short-to-mid-haul travel; might this force legacy European carriers to put in lie-flat seats on their most premium routes?


Out of curiosity, why would you expect them to throw the A321LR on existing routes and not new ones? TP has been wanting to grow to other destinations for a while, and this is the perfect tool for growth to places like YUL. NYC will most likely stay as widebodies.
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:08 pm

EChid wrote:
airbazar wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Note that AA and Aer Lingus also have lie-flat business class on A321/A321LRs, so it's not just a B6 thing.

You missed the point entirely or I didn't make it clear. TP is installing the same exact hard product as B6 which is very unusual.
Most airlines operating narrowbodies with lie-flat have a 2-2 configuration. Only B6 has the throne/suite seat in J in a 1-1 configuration, and now TP will have that too.

It's not unusual if you take into consideration TP's current J-class config in their widebodies. The most similar hard product they can put in is the one they're choosing, also coincidentally the one B6 chose. I think that's as far as you can read into the choice.

I'm not sure what you mean? In fact I'm really confused. Which of TP's widebodies have suites in J?
TP has a wide range of J products across their widebodies as a result of many years of neglect (or lack of money). From SQ's A333's still with the original product to newly leased aircraft with flat beds they seem to have everything under the sun. They will consolidate their product with the arrival of the A330NEO's. So are you saying that the A321LRs will have the same product as the A333NEO's?
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:23 pm

I wonder if TP might try flying to BOS from OPO from using the A321LRs.
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:24 pm

EChid wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
LIS-TLV has already been announced as the first route...a brand-new route for TP (with a RON at TLV). I'd expect EWR, JFK, or BOS to be next...and I have to wonder if TP will try to compete on NYC-TLV (via LIS) using the A321LR. The other thing is: this is introducing a true J seat in Europe short-to-mid-haul travel; might this force legacy European carriers to put in lie-flat seats on their most premium routes?


Out of curiosity, why would you expect them to throw the A321LR on existing routes and not new ones? TP has been wanting to grow to other destinations for a while, and this is the perfect tool for growth to places like YUL. NYC will most likely stay as widebodies.


Fully agree, NYC is their largest long haul market outside of Brazil. I bet A330neo will be used. A321LR could be deployed to the likes of YUL, YYZ, IAD where they can rely on O/D plus Star feed. BOS gets in the picture as well.

Other A321LR candidates would be TLV, DME, IST, RAI, CAI and some rotations to major airports such as LHR, FRA, MUC, AMS. Not much more can be done with just 14 frames
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:26 pm

EChid wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
LIS-TLV has already been announced as the first route...a brand-new route for TP (with a RON at TLV). I'd expect EWR, JFK, or BOS to be next...and I have to wonder if TP will try to compete on NYC-TLV (via LIS) using the A321LR. The other thing is: this is introducing a true J seat in Europe short-to-mid-haul travel; might this force legacy European carriers to put in lie-flat seats on their most premium routes?


Out of curiosity, why would you expect them to throw the A321LR on existing routes and not new ones? TP has been wanting to grow to other destinations for a while, and this is the perfect tool for growth to places like YUL. NYC will most likely stay as widebodies.


The idea is that a wide-body is too much plane for a TATL hop, especially when UA serves LIS year-round on a narrow-body 757 with Polaris seats. The idea is that wide-bodies would be freed up for longer hops. Keep in mind that in the TP fleet, the four A330-300s were only on a 2-year lease and will head to Air Canada soon...and of the 13 A330-200s currently in the fleet, they include 3 230t A332s on lease, 5 233t A332s fully owned, and 5 230t A332s fully owned---including the prototype (also add the 4 fully-owned A343s). I expect that only the five 233t A332s (CS-TOL/M/N/O/P) will remain in the fleet. As such, TP's fleet matrix would likely be 5 A332s and 19 A339s (5 on lease) for wide-bodies...a net increase of just 3 planes.

Also, another intriguing possibility could be BOS and JFK to PDL (Delta flies PDL to JFK seasonally, and S4 serves BOS year-round and PVD seasonally) on the A321LR with TP's Mint, competing with Delta One at JFK.
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:54 pm

airbazar wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Note that AA and Aer Lingus also have lie-flat business class on A321/A321LRs, so it's not just a B6 thing.

You missed the point entirely or I didn't make it clear. TP is installing the same exact hard product as B6 which is very unusual.
Most airlines operating narrowbodies with lie-flat have a 2-2 configuration. Only B6 has the throne/suite seat in J in a 1-1 configuration, and now TP will have that too.


Nope. Not unusual at all. British Airways has this configuration on it's long-haul A321s. Also, Aer Lingus leased 757s have this configuration. I'm sure there are others.
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:55 pm

airbazar wrote:
BrianDromey wrote:
The article reads like TP are planning something radically different from other airlines. It isn’t. EI have already announced YUL and MSP from July next. They will have 16J (Thomson Vantage) and 170Y. "

I didn't get that from the article at all. In fact it points out that others are already flying TATL with the A321.
Where it attempts to single out TAP, is in its use of "suits" in J, similar to the B6 product. Will EI have rows with 1-1 seating in J?

"In a 16-seat configuration, TAP will likely offer two types of seats, paired couple seats and singular throne seats. The paired rows feature the standard 2-2 configuration while the throne rows feature a 1-1 configuration. Throne seats offer direct aisle access, are ideal for solo travelers and offer maximum privacy, especially on JetBlue since there is a door to make the seat into an enclosed suite."


Aer Lingus already have a combination of 1+1, 2+2, 1+1, 2+2, on their 757 Transatlantic fleet, this will be replicated on the A321NeoLR in June but now with 16J seats instead of the 12J on the 757.
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:05 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
BrianDromey wrote:
The article reads like TP are planning something radically different from other airlines. It isn’t. EI have already announced YUL and MSP from July next. They will have 16J (Thomson Vantage) and 170Y.

For sure it’s an interesting time for trans-Atlantic airlines and watchers.


Within Europe (I know Israel is in another continent, but as far as the IATA is concerned, they're in the European region), this is odd though (not counting wide-body intra-European services such as MAD-TLV on UX, HEL-LHR on AY, or LHR-MAD on IB or BA). This might be the first route within the IATA Europe region (which counts Israel) that has an international J product (excluding the BA ex-BD A321s with Club World).


IB also uses 330 to Israel
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:15 pm

airbazar wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Note that AA and Aer Lingus also have lie-flat business class on A321/A321LRs, so it's not just a B6 thing.

You missed the point entirely or I didn't make it clear. TP is installing the same exact hard product as B6 which is very unusual.
Most airlines operating narrowbodies with lie-flat have a 2-2 configuration. Only B6 has the throne/suite seat in J in a 1-1 configuration, and now TP will have that too.

BrianDromey wrote:
The article reads like TP are planning something radically different from other airlines. It isn’t. EI have already announced YUL and MSP from July next. They will have 16J (Thomson Vantage) and 170Y. "

I didn't get that from the article at all. In fact it points out that others are already flying TATL with the A321.
Where it attempts to single out TAP, is in its use of "suits" in J, similar to the B6 product. Will EI have rows with 1-1 seating in J?

"In a 16-seat configuration, TAP will likely offer two types of seats, paired couple seats and singular throne seats. The paired rows feature the standard 2-2 configuration while the throne rows feature a 1-1 configuration. Throne seats offer direct aisle access, are ideal for solo travelers and offer maximum privacy, especially on JetBlue since there is a door to make the seat into an enclosed suite."


AA has been doing 1-1 configuration on their 321T models for years now. JetBlue isn’t just not the only one, they’re not even first.
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:41 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Note that AA and Aer Lingus also have lie-flat business class on A321/A321LRs, so it's not just a B6 thing.

You missed the point entirely or I didn't make it clear. TP is installing the same exact hard product as B6 which is very unusual.
Most airlines operating narrowbodies with lie-flat have a 2-2 configuration. Only B6 has the throne/suite seat in J in a 1-1 configuration, and now TP will have that too.


Nope. Not unusual at all. British Airways has this configuration on it's long-haul A321s. Also, Aer Lingus leased 757s have this configuration. I'm sure there are others.


Fly Dubai has the same configuration on their 737-8s too
 
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:11 pm

I think OPO-BOS is a great candidate for the LR.
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:42 pm

airbazar wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Note that AA and Aer Lingus also have lie-flat business class on A321/A321LRs, so it's not just a B6 thing.

You missed the point entirely or I didn't make it clear. TP is installing the same exact hard product as B6 which is very unusual.
Most airlines operating narrowbodies with lie-flat have a 2-2 configuration. Only B6 has the throne/suite seat in J in a 1-1 configuration, and now TP will have that too.

...

Will EI have rows with 1-1 seating in J?

Yes. Aer Lingus has the same product as JetBlue, it's actually the same seat but without the additional customisation JetBlue opted for like the sliding door.

Aer Lingus have used this product since 2015 on both the A330 and 757 fleet.

Here it is on the 757:

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The A321LR will feature the same product, flights are already on sale in this configuration. It's a great seat, the 'throne' in particular is very popular.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:52 pm

The article is misleading, as they state that TP are the first to have a 2 class A321LR over the Atlantic and they imply that TP will have an "identical" product to Mint, but then mention throne seats, rather than suites.

airbazar wrote:
I didn't get that from the article at all. In fact it points out that others are already flying TATL with the A321.
Where it attempts to single out TAP, is in its use of "suits" in J, similar to the B6 product. Will EI have rows with 1-1 seating in J?


Aer Lingus already do have 1-1 seating in J on their 757s. EI use, and will fit the A321LR with the Thomson Vantage Seat. This is the seat that jetBlue use for their Mint cabin and what the article speculates TP will use too.
You can find photos of the 757 cabin here. The A321 will be very similar, but there will be an additional row of 2-2 seating. As you can see Aer Lingus don't have doors for the single seat, so its a throne more than a suite.
http://airsoc.com/articles/view/id/5716 ... e-they-fly

The article is right that this is a great seat, but wrong about almost everything else. EI and TP will be the first 'legacy' operators of the LR over the Atlantic which is why the configuration is different, other operators have been all Y or had Premium Y
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:16 pm

Kadish wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
BrianDromey wrote:
The article reads like TP are planning something radically different from other airlines. It isn’t. EI have already announced YUL and MSP from July next. They will have 16J (Thomson Vantage) and 170Y.

For sure it’s an interesting time for trans-Atlantic airlines and watchers.


Within Europe (I know Israel is in another continent, but as far as the IATA is concerned, they're in the European region), this is odd though (not counting wide-body intra-European services such as MAD-TLV on UX, HEL-LHR on AY, or LHR-MAD on IB or BA). This might be the first route within the IATA Europe region (which counts Israel) that has an international J product (excluding the BA ex-BD A321s with Club World).


IB also uses 330 to Israel


Swiss also flies the A330.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:35 pm

airbazar wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Note that AA and Aer Lingus also have lie-flat business class on A321/A321LRs, so it's not just a B6 thing.

You missed the point entirely or I didn't make it clear. TP is installing the same exact hard product as B6 which is very unusual.
Most airlines operating narrowbodies with lie-flat have a 2-2 configuration. Only B6 has the throne/suite seat in J in a 1-1 configuration, and now TP will have that too.


Not really, its not a seat just for B6. They have a couple added customization's, but its just a Thompson Vantage seat. Multiple airlines use it, all with their own added touches as I'm sure TP will add. Saying its the exact same product is a bit misleading, EI has the same seat in a narrowbody on transatlantic flights.

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AA has been doing 1-1 configuration on their 321T models for years now. JetBlue isn’t just not the only one, they’re not even first.

Isn't that 1-1 config only in First ? The J config is 2-2 B/E Diamond (ala UA) IIRC.
 
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ABEguy wrote:

AA has been doing 1-1 configuration on their 321T models for years now. JetBlue isn’t just not the only one, they’re not even first.

Isn't that 1-1 config only in First ? The J config is 2-2 B/E Diamond (ala UA) IIRC.


Yes, it is First Class on AA. But those are the exact same seats AA uses on its business class on a 77W. So it's just the name.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:46 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Note that AA and Aer Lingus also have lie-flat business class on A321/A321LRs, so it's not just a B6 thing.

You missed the point entirely or I didn't make it clear. TP is installing the same exact hard product as B6 which is very unusual.
Most airlines operating narrowbodies with lie-flat have a 2-2 configuration. Only B6 has the throne/suite seat in J in a 1-1 configuration, and now TP will have that too.


Nope. Not unusual at all. British Airways has this configuration on it's long-haul A321s. Also, Aer Lingus leased 757s have this configuration. I'm sure there are others.


So you don't think that only 3 or 4 airlines around the world doing it, qualifies as unusual?
 
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airbazar wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
You missed the point entirely or I didn't make it clear. TP is installing the same exact hard product as B6 which is very unusual.
Most airlines operating narrowbodies with lie-flat have a 2-2 configuration. Only B6 has the throne/suite seat in J in a 1-1 configuration, and now TP will have that too.


Nope. Not unusual at all. British Airways has this configuration on it's long-haul A321s. Also, Aer Lingus leased 757s have this configuration. I'm sure there are others.


So you don't think that only 3 or 4 airlines around the world doing it, qualifies as unusual?

When people are trying to imply a closer tie-up between B6 and TP based on the seat choice, it's not unusual enough to justify the implication. That's just not how airlines work. TP is thinking about consistency on their own product.
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Re: TAP going "MINT" on the A321LR

Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:08 pm

airbazar wrote:
EChid wrote:
airbazar wrote:
You missed the point entirely or I didn't make it clear. TP is installing the same exact hard product as B6 which is very unusual.
Most airlines operating narrowbodies with lie-flat have a 2-2 configuration. Only B6 has the throne/suite seat in J in a 1-1 configuration, and now TP will have that too.

It's not unusual if you take into consideration TP's current J-class config in their widebodies. The most similar hard product they can put in is the one they're choosing, also coincidentally the one B6 chose. I think that's as far as you can read into the choice.

I'm not sure what you mean? In fact I'm really confused. Which of TP's widebodies have suites in J?
TP has a wide range of J products across their widebodies as a result of many years of neglect (or lack of money). From SQ's A333's still with the original product to newly leased aircraft with flat beds they seem to have everything under the sun. They will consolidate their product with the arrival of the A330NEO's. So are you saying that the A321LRs will have the same product as the A333NEO's?

I'm not sure why you're saying 'suites' - the article referenced at the top of the thread is poorly worded. TP is, to my knowledge, planning on having the same *configuration* as B6, not the same customization and details. In other words, they will have the same basic product and seating layout, but not the customized doors and such that B6 added. I think that's where the confusion is coming from.

B6's product is a really standard configuration that they've customized, like a standard grocery store angel food cake with some custom message in icing on top. TP is taking the same cake, but not likely the same icing.
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