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Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:31 am

Did Delta fly SLC-NRT a few years ago?
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:50 am

 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:14 am

SLC-NRT was served from June 2009 to October 2011 and was summer seasonal for most or all of that time.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:18 am

Why was the route cut? Will it be relaunched anytime soon?
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:24 am

Yeah I could've swore they did. Guess I remembered right. Too bad DL doesn't have a Japanese partner. I would definitely not be surprised at all if KE pulled a KL and started ICN-SLC with a 789.
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:54 am

Yeah if SLC see any Asia service it will have to be via a Skyteam partner since DL decided to pass on the 787. Delta's wide-bodies capable of that mission have way too much capacity.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:16 am

Delta's A330 was severely weight restricted on the SLC-NRT. Delta didn't and still doesn't own the plane for the route. The 787-800 would be the plane for this route. It's printing cash for united on DEN-NRT.

SLC-ICN maybe would be the most likely with Korean Air as Delta's relationship seems to be improving. Delta doesn't own the 787 so Asia doesn't seem a priority.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:17 am

People are saying. Believe me.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:20 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
Yeah if SLC see any Asia service it will have to be via a Skyteam partner since DL decided to pass on the 787. Delta's wide-bodies capable of that mission have way too much capacity.

If it's from a SkyTeam partner, then it certainly won't be NRT. ICN would be more likely.

UA857 wrote:
Why was the route cut? Will it be relaunched anytime soon?

I think they ended up replacing SLC-NRT with PDX-NRT; likely due to weight and distance restrictions with the 767.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:42 am

FA9295 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Yeah if SLC see any Asia service it will have to be via a Skyteam partner since DL decided to pass on the 787. Delta's wide-bodies capable of that mission have way too much capacity.

If it's from a SkyTeam partner, then it certainly won't be NRT. ICN would be more likely.

UA857 wrote:
Why was the route cut? Will it be relaunched anytime soon?

I think they ended up replacing SLC-NRT with PDX-NRT; likely due to weight and distance restrictions with the 767.

SLC-NRT was a 332.

PDX-NRT came over from Northwest and had nothing to do with PDX-NRT.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:01 am

deltal1011man wrote:
PDX-NRT came over from Northwest and had nothing to do with PDX-NRT.

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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:04 am

deltal1011man wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Yeah if SLC see any Asia service it will have to be via a Skyteam partner since DL decided to pass on the 787. Delta's wide-bodies capable of that mission have way too much capacity.

If it's from a SkyTeam partner, then it certainly won't be NRT. ICN would be more likely.

UA857 wrote:
Why was the route cut? Will it be relaunched anytime soon?

I think they ended up replacing SLC-NRT with PDX-NRT; likely due to weight and distance restrictions with the 767.

SLC-NRT was a 332.

PDX-NRT came over from Northwest and had nothing to do with PDX-NRT.


NW started PDX-NRT about when they got their A330s, which was about 2005 IIRC. They started PDX-AMS a year or two later.

SLC-NRT came when DL took over NW later, as others noted.

I’m surprised that KE hasn’t started SLC given the JV and the apparent success of the SLC flights to Europe.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:25 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
If it's from a SkyTeam partner, then it certainly won't be NRT. ICN would be more likely.


I think they ended up replacing SLC-NRT with PDX-NRT; likely due to weight and distance restrictions with the 767.

SLC-NRT was a 332.

PDX-NRT came over from Northwest and had nothing to do with PDX-NRT.


NW started PDX-NRT about when they got their A330s, which was about 2005 IIRC. They started PDX-AMS a year or two later.

SLC-NRT came when DL took over NW later, as others noted.

I’m surprised that KE hasn’t started SLC given the JV and the apparent success of the SLC flights to Europe.


NW started PDX-NRT with a DC-10 in 2004 and then switched over to the A332 once NW received those. Delta then flew it with the A332 for a while and then switched it to the 763 which it has been for years.

I just don’t see the need for KE to start SLC with all of the connections available out of SEA, LAX in the west. But, I’m sure they will and it’ll work out great.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:41 am

deltal1011man wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Yeah if SLC see any Asia service it will have to be via a Skyteam partner since DL decided to pass on the 787. Delta's wide-bodies capable of that mission have way too much capacity.

If it's from a SkyTeam partner, then it certainly won't be NRT. ICN would be more likely.

UA857 wrote:
Why was the route cut? Will it be relaunched anytime soon?

I think they ended up replacing SLC-NRT with PDX-NRT; likely due to weight and distance restrictions with the 767.

SLC-NRT was a 332.

PDX-NRT came over from Northwest and had nothing to do with PDX-NRT.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: dammit

try this again. PDX-NRT came over from Northwest and had nothing to do with SLC-NRT.

BoeingGuy wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
If it's from a SkyTeam partner, then it certainly won't be NRT. ICN would be more likely.


I think they ended up replacing SLC-NRT with PDX-NRT; likely due to weight and distance restrictions with the 767.

SLC-NRT was a 332.

PDX-NRT came over from Northwest and had nothing to do with PDX-NRT.


NW started PDX-NRT about when they got their A330s, which was about 2005 IIRC. They started PDX-AMS a year or two later.

SLC-NRT came when DL took over NW later, as others noted.


I’m surprised that KE hasn’t started SLC given the JV and the apparent success of the SLC flights to Europe.

If i could type this was the point I was going for.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:45 am

flyoregon wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
SLC-NRT was a 332.

PDX-NRT came over from Northwest and had nothing to do with PDX-NRT.


NW started PDX-NRT about when they got their A330s, which was about 2005 IIRC. They started PDX-AMS a year or two later.

SLC-NRT came when DL took over NW later, as others noted.

I’m surprised that KE hasn’t started SLC given the JV and the apparent success of the SLC flights to Europe.


NW started PDX-NRT with a DC-10 in 2004 and then switched over to the A332 once NW received those. Delta then flew it with the A332 for a while and then switched it to the 763 which it has been for years.

I just don’t see the need for KE to start SLC with all of the connections available out of SEA, LAX in the west. But, I’m sure they will and it’ll work out great.

SLC is too small of a local market for ICN. Starting this would potentially harm yields at SEA and LAX.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:49 am

deltal1011man wrote:
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: dammit

try this again. PDX-NRT came over from Northwest and had nothing to do with SLC-NRT.


I guess I already knew that PDX-NRT was started by NW, but the SLC route I didn't know about, which is where I got confused... ;)
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:03 am

FA9295 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: dammit

try this again. PDX-NRT came over from Northwest and had nothing to do with SLC-NRT.


I guess I already knew that PDX-NRT was started by NW, but the SLC route I didn't know about, which is where I got confused... ;)



PDX was a directly inherited legacy NW route. SLC was launched by DL. The only link to NW was of course it was only launched with the addition of the NRT hub which did come from NW. Along with the 332 which also was from NW.


Clearly fate favored UA with a stronger hub at DEN a JV partner in NH and the more suitable a/c with CO 787s
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:18 am

I'm surprised no one has explained the draw down of the NRT hub yet.
Had the poster been aware that the NRT hub they inherited from NW has been cut dramatically in recent years, they would understand why it went away and won't be coming back.

Without a proper aircraft to serve it helps to explain why it didn't stick around.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:02 am

One more route for those 788s that Delta canceled. Or even the 338s it didn't order. TPAC out of SLC is best done with a smallish, high-field-performance aircraft. Although today SLC-ICN would probably be a better choice than SLC-NRT.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:32 am

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Delta's A330 was severely weight restricted on the SLC-NRT. Delta didn't and still doesn't own the plane for the route. The 787-800 would be the plane for this route. It's printing cash for united on DEN-NRT.

SLC-ICN maybe would be the most likely with Korean Air as Delta's relationship seems to be improving. Delta doesn't own the 787 so Asia doesn't seem a priority.



How is DTW-NGO flown with an A330 yet SLC-NRT was the same aircraft type, yet weight restricted? Not doubting or questioning you, just curious how that is? Was one flown the A330-200 and the other the A330-300 and they have that big of a difference of range??
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:06 am

SLC is over 4k elevation & DTW is what...a few feet?
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:29 pm

Draw-down of NRT hub and build-up of western international gateways to Asia at SEA and LAX.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:13 pm

The route made sense in 2009,2010. 2011. In 2018 not really as needed. NRT is not the focus for Delta it use to be.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:33 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
Yeah if SLC see any Asia service it will have to be via a Skyteam partner since DL decided to pass on the 787. Delta's wide-bodies capable of that mission have way too much capacity.

I wonder if Delta is regretting that decision now?
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:40 pm

Even when the route was running there were a lot of factors going against it. Weight restrictions, the economic downturn, swine flu and the 2011 earthquake and tsunami were not kind to it.

I flew it a couple of times (including the inaugural flight - which was maybe only 80% full) and it seemed the plane was only half full most of the time. O&D on the route is slightly higher than SLC-CDG, but without a partner on the other end and a couple extra hours flying time it'll be a tough sell to start again.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:00 am

What aircraft did DL fly on SLC-NRT?
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:04 am

UA857 wrote:
What aircraft did DL fly on SLC-NRT?


A330
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:24 am

UA857 wrote:
What aircraft did DL fly on SLC-NRT?


Was answered in at least two posts above.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:19 am

UA777EWRTLV wrote:
How is DTW-NGO flown with an A330 yet SLC-NRT was the same aircraft type, yet weight restricted? Not doubting or questioning you, just curious how that is? Was one flown the A330-200 and the other the A330-300 and they have that big of a difference of range??


Field elevation over 4200 feet and summer daytime temperatures that are often near or above 100F/40C mean the 332 was restricted. IIRC, SLC also had issues with power lines near the runway that put extra demands on climb performance. Can anyone confirm that?

DL's more capable aircraft at the time (77E, 77L, 744) were too big, or at least they were better deployed on other routes.

I'm curious how the 338 would do on SLC-ICN. That is one potential future route where DL might see value in converting a few of their 339 orders down to the 338.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:27 am

redzeppelin wrote:
UA777EWRTLV wrote:
How is DTW-NGO flown with an A330 yet SLC-NRT was the same aircraft type, yet weight restricted? Not doubting or questioning you, just curious how that is? Was one flown the A330-200 and the other the A330-300 and they have that big of a difference of range??


Field elevation over 4200 feet and summer daytime temperatures that are often near or above 100F/40C mean the 332 was restricted. IIRC, SLC also had issues with power lines near the runway that put extra demands on climb performance. Can anyone confirm that?

DL's more capable aircraft at the time (77E, 77L, 744) were too big, or at least they were better deployed on other routes.

I'm curious how the 338 would do on SLC-ICN. That is one potential future route where DL might see value in converting a few of their 339 orders down to the 338.


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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:24 pm

This constant drumbeat of how DL surely must be regretting their non 787 purchase is laughable at best. Another typical a.net folklore which makes zero sense.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:30 pm

UA857 wrote:
What aircraft did DL fly on SLC-NRT?

Do you even read the replies to the threads you start?
People are saying. Believe me.
 
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Re: Did DL ever fly SLC-NRT?

Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:33 pm

peanuts wrote:
This constant drumbeat of how DL surely must be regretting their non 787 purchase is laughable at best. Another typical a.net folklore which makes zero sense.

They canceled them because of the price. A secondary reason (excuse) was that they didn't want to have any "experimental" aircraft.
Of course that all went out the window once they got the deal they wanted on jets like the A220, A350.
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