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Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:06 am

I've mentioned that many guest airlines in ZRH on the narrowbodies (incl. Aeroflot, UIA) use the satellite E Gates + also Edelweiss even on the A320s while Swiss doesn't. What's the problem to park the aircraft at gate E if the flight comes from London and goes to Moscow or Belgrade, for example?
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:49 am

I don't know if LX has that many non-Schengen-ZRH-non-Schengen Rotations. Using B/D is more useful, as they are double usage gates.
 
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:02 am

DUSZRH wrote:
I don't know if LX has that many non-Schengen-ZRH-non-Schengen Rotations. Using B/D is more useful, as they are double usage gates.


Because the E gates are further of.. and I guess that most of LX European non schengen flight connecting passengers connect on LX’s schengen European flights? Making it much easier to connect..
Besides many pax on the LONDOn flights are alo O/D to Zurich .. they want to be out of the terminal as fast as possible.. a lot of business and leisure pac between ZRH and London ..
 
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:02 am

Non-Schengen potential A32x family routes currently are:
- LHR
- DUB
- MAN
- TLV
- CAI
- DME
- LED
- KBP
- BEG
- OTP
- ZAG

compared to all Schengen flights/destinations, this is certainly not a high-number and even less from rotation point of view. therefore, B/D combination makes the most sense.
 
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:17 pm

It's probably a combination of those narrowbodies from other airlines often find themselves situated in between waves of the heavies towards the afternoon once the US departures have taken place.

Also given that majority of the shopping (although it's getting better) is situated between A/B/D, that might give preference to concourse 1...

And of course Schengen flights as others have mentioned.
 
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:12 pm

Many of the UK non Schengen and soon none EU flights including those to Heathrow ultise those Canadian Airbuses and rather like Frankfurt and Lisbon often end up remotely parked; it’s a thing you see the UK passengers seem to rather like roughing it with Ukrainians and ex Yugoslavs for some reason I can’t quite understand .

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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:45 pm

stylo777 wrote:
Non-Schengen potential A32x family routes currently are:
- LHR
- DUB
- MAN
- TLV
- CAI
- DME
- LED
- KBP
- BEG
- OTP
- ZAG

compared to all Schengen flights/destinations, this is certainly not a high-number and even less from rotation point of view. therefore, B/D combination makes the most sense.

But it can make sense to put flights which are neither Schengen nor EU to E Gates. It looks more prestigious. Edelweiss puts flights like RAK, SPU, LCA to E Gates, what's the problem with Swiss?
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:56 pm

A321Lufthansa wrote:
But it can make sense to put flights which are neither Schengen nor EU to E Gates. It looks more prestigious. Edelweiss puts flights like RAK, SPU, LCA to E Gates, what's the problem with Swiss?


Prestigious? are you really serious?

These days airline's business is to fly people from one point to the other safely and at the lowest cost = highest profit.

Prior replies have provided enouhg reasons why it doesn't make "business" sense to operate NB's in E gates.
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:19 pm

And quite honestly, I would consider the E pier more prestigious than A/B/D unless you are entitled to the great Senator lounge with direct runway view terrace.
More shops and restaurants available in the central part of the terminal and location-wise closer to B/D.
 
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:23 pm

I find D much more convenient, and I have no clue what makes E more prestigious. Do you miss taking the train with the ringing cow bells?
 
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:52 pm

I've been on delayed LX327s before (scheduled arrival from LHR 21:30), that have gone to E gates to enable transfers on the departures around 22:40 to SIN, GRU, BKK, HKG and TLV - with the 23:00 curfew, transiting from D Gates would have been pushing it time wise, otherwise.

But with the inbound Aircraft then staying overnight, presumably it was moved away from the E gates for morning departures.
 
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:44 pm

A321Lufthansa wrote:
But it can make sense to put flights which are neither Schengen nor EU to E Gates. It looks more prestigious. Edelweiss puts flights like RAK, SPU, LCA to E Gates, what's the problem with Swiss?


I'm not quite sure where you are taking this prestigious thing from? There is nothing prestigious about losing time and going through the extra hassle of taking that underground train to E.
As a business traveler who is going to London for the day without any luggage, I'd much rather prefer the quick walk to D.
 
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:41 pm

A321Lufthansa wrote:
I've mentioned that many guest airlines in ZRH on the narrowbodies (incl. Aeroflot, UIA) use the satellite E Gates + also Edelweiss even on the A320s while Swiss doesn't. What's the problem to park the aircraft at gate E if the flight comes from London and goes to Moscow or Belgrade, for example?


Swiss uses the E-Gates for long haul. So do other airlines. Once those birds are gone the gates can be filled by other carriers. Not really sure why you see it as a ‘problem’ that there is a 2nd non Schengen area. B/D is actually nicer too I think.
 
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:37 pm

DUSZRH wrote:
I find D much more convenient, and I have no clue what makes E more prestigious. Do you miss taking the train with the ringing cow bells?

Well, that's not the only reason I like it. Also I really appreciate the quality of lounges there - having their own terraces is a really nice thing. I've been not long ago to Primeclass Lounge.
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Re: Why does Swiss not use E Gates in ZRH for narrowbodies?

Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:17 pm

Bhoy wrote:
I've been on delayed LX327s before (scheduled arrival from LHR 21:30), that have gone to E gates to enable transfers on the departures around 22:40 to SIN, GRU, BKK, HKG and TLV - with the 23:00 curfew, transiting from D Gates would have been pushing it time wise, otherwise.

But with the inbound Aircraft then staying overnight, presumably it was moved away from the E gates for morning departures.


This kind of flexibility is what makes Zurich Airport / Swiss a more reliable place for connections. Can you imagine this kind of flexibility being used in places like Heathrow T5? No, they would have put you to the next flight already (automatically). The key purpose of an airline is to transport people effectively and efficiently to their destination as quick as possible - I personally experienced the ZRH flexibility from the LX381 from Manchester connecting to HKG.
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