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Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:07 pm

According to ch.avaition DPRK seeks direct fly to Syria:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... ct-flights

Will Syrian Air fly A343 or Air Koryo Il-62?
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:09 pm

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Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:11 pm

It could only be the Syrian A340-300 or the Air Koryo Tu-204-300 - the Il-62 is domestic only now.

They have flown to Kuwait historically, Damascus is only 600-700km further, so long as the skies are friendly.
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:30 pm

The article is behind a paywall but I don’t need to subscribe to some Swiss spotter site to know this article is 100% BS
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:35 pm

What's next? direct flights between Kuwait and Israel?
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct fly

Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:37 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
It could only be the Syrian A340-300 or the Air Koryo Tu-204-300 - the Il-62 is domestic only now.

They have flown to Kuwait historically, Damascus is only 600-700km further, so long as the skies are friendly.


When I was in the DPRK, the IL-62 flew to Vladivostok on a schedule flight. Seems to be a regular one.
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct fly

Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:58 pm

Yes the Il-62M and Tu-154B-2 are once again allowed in Russian air space.

Most likely Tu-204-300/100B with a stop in Urumqi or Tehran would work well
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:52 pm

SR380 wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
It could only be the Syrian A340-300 or the Air Koryo Tu-204-300 - the Il-62 is domestic only now.

They have flown to Kuwait historically, Damascus is only 600-700km further, so long as the skies are friendly.


When I was in the DPRK, the IL-62 flew to Vladivostok on a schedule flight. Seems to be a regular one.


When Kim went to SIN earlier in the year, the II-62 was not enough aircraft to make the route w/o a fuel stop in China, something Kim wanted to avoid, which is why he ended up being loaned a CA 748 VIP. I think the II-62 went, but it carried non-important support staff & did make a fueling stop.

I am impressed you went to the DPRK, you are braver than I am. I stand out too much when traveling in Asia, I am considered good luck in places due to the red hair & beard. But I really dislike attention like that a 6"4 person gets, I could never be a celebrity, not that the chance ever arose, but a travel planner for them, that's different.

I think the Il-62 is used on regional flights, like Russia & China still.
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct fly

Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:37 pm

RWA380 wrote:
SR380 wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
It could only be the Syrian A340-300 or the Air Koryo Tu-204-300 - the Il-62 is domestic only now.

They have flown to Kuwait historically, Damascus is only 600-700km further, so long as the skies are friendly.


When I was in the DPRK, the IL-62 flew to Vladivostok on a schedule flight. Seems to be a regular one.


When Kim went to SIN earlier in the year, the II-62 was not enough aircraft to make the route w/o a fuel stop in China, something Kim wanted to avoid, which is why he ended up being loaned a CA 748 VIP. I think the II-62 went, but it carried non-important support staff & did make a fueling stop.

I am impressed you went to the DPRK, you are braver than I am. I stand out too much when traveling in Asia, I am considered good luck in places due to the red hair & beard. But I really dislike attention like that a 6"4 person gets, I could never be a celebrity, not that the chance ever arose, but a travel planner for them, that's different.

I think the Il-62 is used on regional flights, like Russia & China still.


I could be wrong but i think the -62 went direct, i have a screenshot of it when leaving SIN for FNJ from FR24 somewhere. The -62 is a capable long haul aircraft, flights upwards of 12 hours are easy work for those frames. A fuel stop on the way out would more likely be down to either a fuel shortage or picking someone up on the way, than a range issue.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:43 pm

RWA380 wrote:
SR380 wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
It could only be the Syrian A340-300 or the Air Koryo Tu-204-300 - the Il-62 is domestic only now.

They have flown to Kuwait historically, Damascus is only 600-700km further, so long as the skies are friendly.


When I was in the DPRK, the IL-62 flew to Vladivostok on a schedule flight. Seems to be a regular one.


When Kim went to SIN earlier in the year, the II-62 was not enough aircraft to make the route w/o a fuel stop in China, something Kim wanted to avoid, which is why he ended up being loaned a CA 748 VIP. I think the II-62 went, but it carried non-important support staff & did make a fueling stop.


Pyongyang to Singapore is only about 5000 km. The Il-62M can fly MUCH further than that (10.000 km or more). Whatever the reason was, it had nothing to do with a fuel stop.
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:35 pm

Now there's a money making route if ever I saw one... :roll:

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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:38 am

United Aircraft Corporation has recently ferried multiple Il-96 from storage in DME. Some of those aircraft are really 30 years old now, but they made it fly again. Latest being RA-96006. Maybe that is going to go to Air Koryo, or the Korean People's Air Force as Chammae-1... (Let me dream)
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:39 am

Is this really all that different from a Caracas to Damascus route? That actually happened and certainly wasn’t intended to make money.
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct fly

Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:40 am

RWA380 wrote:
SR380 wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
It could only be the Syrian A340-300 or the Air Koryo Tu-204-300 - the Il-62 is domestic only now.

They have flown to Kuwait historically, Damascus is only 600-700km further, so long as the skies are friendly.


When I was in the DPRK, the IL-62 flew to Vladivostok on a schedule flight. Seems to be a regular one.


When Kim went to SIN earlier in the year, the II-62 was not enough aircraft to make the route w/o a fuel stop in China, something Kim wanted to avoid, which is why he ended up being loaned a CA 748 VIP. I think the II-62 went, but it carried non-important support staff & did make a fueling stop.

I am impressed you went to the DPRK, you are braver than I am. I stand out too much when traveling in Asia, I am considered good luck in places due to the red hair & beard. But I really dislike attention like that a 6"4 person gets, I could never be a celebrity, not that the chance ever arose, but a travel planner for them, that's different.

I think the Il-62 is used on regional flights, like Russia & China still.


It's a safe country from a tourist point of view. Just don't still any propaganda posters, don't disrespect the Leaders and you will be fine. It's a amazing experience to do. And as an Avgeek I love flying on Sir Koryo's Soviet type!
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:39 am

PlymSpotter wrote:
It could only be the Syrian A340-300 or the Air Koryo Tu-204-300 - the Il-62 is domestic only now.

They have flown to Kuwait historically, Damascus is only 600-700km further, so long as the skies are friendly.


It's not the skies I'd be worried about on that route.
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:24 am

Hey, all we need now is a direct route from FNJ to CCS, and there would be the first Round-The-World Terror flight! CCS-DAM-IKA-FNJ-XXX-CCS, and bingo! The tourists will line up for this fun festival!

Seriously, other than government traffic, who would be flying - and paying for the premium of a non-stop - the route of DAM-FNJ?
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:40 am

SR380 wrote:
According to ch.avaition DPRK seeks direct fly to Syria:


Well let me be the first to say it's about time this untapped, underserved route was addressed! The standby list for upgrades among the FF clientele alone will be ridiculous! :duck:
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:55 am

This sounds like a worse idea than Caracas-Damascus flight.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:42 am

This is one of those routes, along with DAM-CCS, IKA-CCS, IKA-DAM-CCS, or IKA-FNJ, that can only have nefarious intentions. I suspect that an Airbus A340-300 would be used for the FNJ-DAM route, and it would likely carry mostly munitions in the belly.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:06 am

SR380 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
SR380 wrote:

When I was in the DPRK, the IL-62 flew to Vladivostok on a schedule flight. Seems to be a regular one.


When Kim went to SIN earlier in the year, the II-62 was not enough aircraft to make the route w/o a fuel stop in China, something Kim wanted to avoid, which is why he ended up being loaned a CA 748 VIP. I think the II-62 went, but it carried non-important support staff & did make a fueling stop.

I am impressed you went to the DPRK, you are braver than I am. I stand out too much when traveling in Asia, I am considered good luck in places due to the red hair & beard. But I really dislike attention like that a 6"4 person gets, I could never be a celebrity, not that the chance ever arose, but a travel planner for them, that's different.

I think the Il-62 is used on regional flights, like Russia & China still.


It's a safe country from a tourist point of view. Just don't still any propaganda posters, don't disrespect the Leaders and you will be fine. It's a amazing experience to do. And as an Avgeek I love flying on Sir Koryo's Soviet type!


I thought the difference in the DPRK is what passport one carries. I as an American passport holder, just don't trust the powers that be. But as an AVGeek, I've been tempted of course, a once in a lifetime opportunity to fly the types in that fleet of Air Koryo. I am too obvious to get away with anything, so I'd be a model guest.

I am happy that you have had those experiences, it's what defines who you are, the culmination of your experiences.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:10 am

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RWA380 wrote:
SR380 wrote:

When I was in the DPRK, the IL-62 flew to Vladivostok on a schedule flight. Seems to be a regular one.


When Kim went to SIN earlier in the year, the II-62 was not enough aircraft to make the route w/o a fuel stop in China, something Kim wanted to avoid, which is why he ended up being loaned a CA 748 VIP. I think the II-62 went, but it carried non-important support staff & did make a fueling stop.


Pyongyang to Singapore is only about 5000 km. The Il-62M can fly MUCH further than that (10.000 km or more). Whatever the reason was, it had nothing to do with a fuel stop.


This is what was on the news at the time this was news, it didn't make sense to me either. Maybe his Il-62 is heavier, but it's some level of VIP configuration I thought, it's hardly used. But if I am wrong, then all I can say is NBC duped me & I fell for it. It WAS the reason given, as to why he showed up on a CA 748i VIP on loan, very last minute.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:18 am

RWA380 wrote:

I thought the difference in the DPRK is what passport one carries. I as an American passport holder, just don't trust the powers that be. But as an AVGeek, I've been tempted of course, a once in a lifetime opportunity to fly the types in that fleet of Air Koryo. I am too obvious to get away with anything, so I'd be a model guest.

I am happy that you have had those experiences, it's what defines who you are, the culmination of your experiences.


American passport isn't a safety issue in DPRK, but you aren't allowed in the country by your own government so if they find out you went (assuming you could find a tour company that will take you) there is probably ramifications back home.

In general though, the country is absurdly safe, and because you have to travel on a guided tour it's one of the most touristy places I've ever been - there's a gift shop at every hotel, restaurant and attraction that you're ushered through.

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Seriously, other than government traffic, who would be flying - and paying for the premium of a non-stop - the route of DAM-FNJ?


Could be some Korea labourers sent abroad to earn foreign currency. I'd be willing to bet that the cargo on this route is why it needs to be operate though.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:22 am

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The article is behind a paywall but I don’t need to subscribe to some Swiss spotter site to know this article is 100% BS


Well, not quite, they are infact a widely respected provider of information in/to the industry globally, but anyway.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:34 am

Dictators often come up with amusing ways to waste fuel.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:40 am

Is this a joke?
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:11 am

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It's a safe country from a tourist point of view. Just don't still any propaganda posters, don't disrespect the Leaders and you will be fine.


In the case of Merrill Newman, apparently being an elderly Korean war veteran was sufficient to "disrespect the Leader." And in the case of Otto Warmbier, it's far from clear that he even "stilled" (or even stole) any propaganda posters. The so-called video they produced -- of someone tearing down a poster -- certainly didn't show Warmbier clearly, and in my view the person shown didn't have the same physique as Warmbier. In light of these events, it's ridiculous to call the country "safe for tourists."

I'm a fan of off-the-beaten track travel, and I don't doubt the aviation tour is amazing (I had a chance to fly an IL-62M in Russia a few years ago), but just because you returned safely doesn't mean the incidents above were flukes.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:17 am

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American passport isn't a safety issue in DPRK, but you aren't allowed in the country by your own government so if they find out you went (assuming you could find a tour company that will take you) there is probably ramifications back home.


The US government instituted its ban on travel to North Korea after the Warmbier incident, not before. And indeed Juche Travel decided that it was unsafe for US citizens to participate on its tours before the travel ban as well. That's of course not to say that every US tourist in North Korea was in imminent danger, but two long-term detentions, one of which ended in death, out of perhaps a couple hundred visitors each year (to say nothing of some Korean-American tourists who have also detained) is not an acceptable loss ratio.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:21 am

SurlyBonds wrote:
dredgy wrote:
American passport isn't a safety issue in DPRK, but you aren't allowed in the country by your own government so if they find out you went (assuming you could find a tour company that will take you) there is probably ramifications back home.


The US government instituted its ban on travel to North Korea after the Warmbier incident, not before. And indeed Juche Travel decided that it was unsafe for US citizens to participate on its tours before the travel ban as well. That's of course not to say that every US tourist in North Korea was in imminent danger, but two long-term detentions, one of which ended in death, out of perhaps a couple hundred visitors each year (to say nothing of some Korean-American tourists who have also detained) is not an acceptable loss ratio.


Yup, this is exactly it. While 99% chance I'd be fine, but I hit that 1% more than I'd like to in life. Too many people & one cat, depend on me to be part of their lives. I should have done it when I was in Korea & China in the 00's.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:37 am

RWA380 wrote:
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When Kim went to SIN earlier in the year, the II-62 was not enough aircraft to make the route w/o a fuel stop in China, something Kim wanted to avoid, which is why he ended up being loaned a CA 748 VIP. I think the II-62 went, but it carried non-important support staff & did make a fueling stop.

I am impressed you went to the DPRK, you are braver than I am.

Gosh where do people get their information from? First of all it did go direct. Secondly an Il-62M has a 5,000 mile range. And lastly, why do you need to be brave to go to the DPRK?
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Is this a joke?

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Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:47 am

Unserved route of the week. This would be the ultimate trip report.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:52 am

I think China wants to export weapons to Syria to not leave Russia with that huge market (an active war needs a lot of weapons). So they use Air Koryo to handle the weapons over to Syria via NK.

I guess the reason ain't that ol' Kim wants to bath on the Syrian beaches...
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:32 am

Very good news that the Il-62 is international again. In 2019 - very cool.

LupineChemist wrote:
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It could only be the Syrian A340-300 or the Air Koryo Tu-204-300 - the Il-62 is domestic only now.

They have flown to Kuwait historically, Damascus is only 600-700km further, so long as the skies are friendly.


It's not the skies I'd be worried about on that route.


It should be. There's nothing to fear from Air Koryo or Syrian, same goes for the countries and peoples at both ends.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:00 am

PlymSpotter wrote:
Very good news that the Il-62 is international again. In 2019 - very cool.

LupineChemist wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
It could only be the Syrian A340-300 or the Air Koryo Tu-204-300 - the Il-62 is domestic only now.

They have flown to Kuwait historically, Damascus is only 600-700km further, so long as the skies are friendly.


It's not the skies I'd be worried about on that route.


It should be. There's nothing to fear from Air Koryo or Syrian, same goes for the countries and peoples at both ends.

There’s nothing to fear in Syria? It’s an active war zone. Also im an American Jew. Will I be welcomed?
 
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there would be the first Round-The-World Terror flight!

Nah, that's JFK-LHR.
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This is what was on the news at the time this was news, it didn't make sense to me either.


It was lauded as complete nonsense/propaganda at the time.

A heavier than commercial VIP outfit won't explain it either. Yeltsin went to Washington in 1994 in his VIP outfitted Il-62, a flight of a few thousand kilometers more.

Looking at aircraft accidents with the Il-62, many of these list the flights operated by this jet in the past. Aeroflot did flights from Havana-Lisbon, Havana-Luxembourg and Moscow-Dakar. LOT did Warszawa-New York. Cubana has done Havana-Köln. The longest top out at about 8000 km.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:15 am

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RWA380 wrote:
This is what was on the news at the time this was news, it didn't make sense to me either.


It was lauded as complete nonsense/propaganda at the time.

A heavier than commercial VIP outfit won't explain it either. Yeltsin went to Washington in 1994 in his VIP outfitted Il-62, a flight of a few thousand kilometers more.

Looking at aircraft accidents with the Il-62, many of these list the flights operated by this jet in the past. Aeroflot did flights from Havana-Lisbon, Havana-Luxembourg and Moscow-Dakar. LOT did Warszawa-New York. Cubana has done Havana-Köln. The longest top out at about 8000 km.


Air Koryo used to serve Berlin, Sofia, Belgrade, Prague with Il-62M. SVO isn't scheduled anymore but sees flights chartered throughout the year usually operates by Tu-204 nowadays.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:34 am

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VSMUT wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
This is what was on the news at the time this was news, it didn't make sense to me either.


It was lauded as complete nonsense/propaganda at the time.

A heavier than commercial VIP outfit won't explain it either. Yeltsin went to Washington in 1994 in his VIP outfitted Il-62, a flight of a few thousand kilometers more.

Looking at aircraft accidents with the Il-62, many of these list the flights operated by this jet in the past. Aeroflot did flights from Havana-Lisbon, Havana-Luxembourg and Moscow-Dakar. LOT did Warszawa-New York. Cubana has done Havana-Köln. The longest top out at about 8000 km.


Air Koryo used to serve Berlin, Sofia, Belgrade, Prague with Il-62M. SVO isn't scheduled anymore but sees flights chartered throughout the year usually operates by Tu-204 nowadays.


True, but airlines often did fuel stops back in the day. I couldn't find any confirmation that these Air Koryo flights didn't stop in exotic places like Kabul on the way. One Koryo Il-62M crashed on its way from Pyongyang to West Africa in 1983, and it was doing legs of no more than 5000 km each, stopping in Kabul and Cairo. The above that I found are confirmed non-stop legs.
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:37 am

6U (Air Ukraine) used to operate IAD-KBP with Il-62 (ex-LOT birds), non-stop, in 1990's. that's longer than FNJ-DAM.
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:57 am

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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:12 pm

I can't find anything relevant on North Korea's official&public news site.
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:15 pm

seabosdca wrote:
Dictators often come up with amusing ways to waste fuel.

Fuel not wasted if those precious cargo of theirs allow them to prop up their regimes for a little longer.
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:11 pm

I think it's no coincidence that these are the two countries that have the highest interest in maintaining an active battle-ready arsenal of Mig-21 aircraft and crews. I suspect this is intended to be a shuttle for Mig-21 personnel and parts.
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct fly

Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:53 pm

VSMUT wrote:
Melbourne wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

It was lauded as complete nonsense/propaganda at the time.

A heavier than commercial VIP outfit won't explain it either. Yeltsin went to Washington in 1994 in his VIP outfitted Il-62, a flight of a few thousand kilometers more.

Looking at aircraft accidents with the Il-62, many of these list the flights operated by this jet in the past. Aeroflot did flights from Havana-Lisbon, Havana-Luxembourg and Moscow-Dakar. LOT did Warszawa-New York. Cubana has done Havana-Köln. The longest top out at about 8000 km.


Air Koryo used to serve Berlin, Sofia, Belgrade, Prague with Il-62M. SVO isn't scheduled anymore but sees flights chartered throughout the year usually operates by Tu-204 nowadays.


True, but airlines often did fuel stops back in the day. I couldn't find any confirmation that these Air Koryo flights didn't stop in exotic places like Kabul on the way. One Koryo Il-62M crashed on its way from Pyongyang to West Africa in 1983, and it was doing legs of no more than 5000 km each, stopping in Kabul and Cairo. The above that I found are confirmed non-stop legs.


If you actually look at the schedule they flew scheduled services to Europe, West Africa was not scheduled adding to that the Il-62 that crashed in Africa was from the VIP fleet. None the less CAAC flew Il-62 (standard non M type) from PEK to SVO.
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:40 pm

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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct fly

Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:40 pm

RWA380 wrote:
SR380 wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
It could only be the Syrian A340-300 or the Air Koryo Tu-204-300 - the Il-62 is domestic only now.

They have flown to Kuwait historically, Damascus is only 600-700km further, so long as the skies are friendly.


When I was in the DPRK, the IL-62 flew to Vladivostok on a schedule flight. Seems to be a regular one.


When Kim went to SIN earlier in the year, the II-62 was not enough aircraft to make the route w/o a fuel stop in China, something Kim wanted to avoid, which is why he ended up being loaned a CA 748 VIP. I think the II-62 went, but it carried non-important support staff & did make a fueling stop.

I am impressed you went to the DPRK, you are braver than I am. I stand out too much when traveling in Asia, I am considered good luck in places due to the red hair & beard. But I really dislike attention like that a 6"4 person gets, I could never be a celebrity, not that the chance ever arose, but a travel planner for them, that's different.

I think the Il-62 is used on regional flights, like Russia & China still.


I believe it was a 744 VIP, not 748.
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct fly

Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:18 pm

Amchi757300 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
SR380 wrote:

When I was in the DPRK, the IL-62 flew to Vladivostok on a schedule flight. Seems to be a regular one.


When Kim went to SIN earlier in the year, the II-62 was not enough aircraft to make the route w/o a fuel stop in China, something Kim wanted to avoid, which is why he ended up being loaned a CA 748 VIP. I think the II-62 went, but it carried non-important support staff & did make a fueling stop.

I am impressed you went to the DPRK, you are braver than I am. I stand out too much when traveling in Asia, I am considered good luck in places due to the red hair & beard. But I really dislike attention like that a 6"4 person gets, I could never be a celebrity, not that the chance ever arose, but a travel planner for them, that's different.

I think the Il-62 is used on regional flights, like Russia & China still.


I believe it was a 744 VIP, not 748.

I'm pretty sure that was just posturing. Kim didn't want to arrive in Singapore in anything smaller than Trump Force One. Hence the Chinese charter.
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct fly

Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:52 pm

LupineChemist wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
It could only be the Syrian A340-300 or the Air Koryo Tu-204-300 - the Il-62 is domestic only now.

They have flown to Kuwait historically, Damascus is only 600-700km further, so long as the skies are friendly.


It's not the skies I'd be worried about on that route.


You should. Syrian FIR is off limits to enroute traffic. A Russian cargo a/c was mistakenly shot down a while back. Any sensible route planner would stay away, even routes to Israel are affected.
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct fly

Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:26 am

Agreed.

Channex757 wrote:
Amchi757300 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

When Kim went to SIN earlier in the year, the II-62 was not enough aircraft to make the route w/o a fuel stop in China, something Kim wanted to avoid, which is why he ended up being loaned a CA 748 VIP. I think the II-62 went, but it carried non-important support staff & did make a fueling stop.

I am impressed you went to the DPRK, you are braver than I am. I stand out too much when traveling in Asia, I am considered good luck in places due to the red hair & beard. But I really dislike attention like that a 6"4 person gets, I could never be a celebrity, not that the chance ever arose, but a travel planner for them, that's different.

I think the Il-62 is used on regional flights, like Russia & China still.


I believe it was a 744 VIP, not 748.

I'm pretty sure that was just posturing. Kim didn't want to arrive in Singapore in anything smaller than Trump Force One. Hence the Chinese charter.
 
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Re: Syria, DPRK eyes direct flight

Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:39 am

According to ch.avaition DPRK seeks direct fly to Syria:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... ct-flights


What's next? direct flights between Kuwait and Israel?


Gosh where do people get their information from? First of all it did go direct.


I could be wrong but i think the -62 went direct, i have a screenshot of it when leaving SIN for FNJ from FR24 somewhere


Is this all on purpose or should airliners.net in it's initial forum acceptance also add a mandatory Airline 101 class before you can post so people can differentiate types of flights before they go and do a deep dive on the merits of the IL-62?

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