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LOT Passengers Asked to Pay Cash For 787 Repair in PEK

Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:00 pm

Didn't see this posted. Crazy, but it's China, so... Surprised 280GBP pays for much of a repair?

Passengers on board a flight from Beijing to Poland were asked to fund the repairs on a fault so that the plane could take off. There were around 250 passengers on the LOT Polish Airlines flight when the Boeing 787 Dreamliner suffered a hydraulic pump fault, according to local media. They were asked to foot the bill after the mechanic who had been employed to fix the pump demanded that he would only take cash as payment. LOT Polish Airlines spokesman Adrian Kubicki said: 'An employee at the Boeing warehouse in Beijing refused to accept a bank transfer and insisted on cash.' He claimed that crew from the flight managed to scrape together around 2,500 RMB (280 GBP) from passengers on the plane for repairs, which are believed to have taken around 10 hours. According to the LOT spokesman, disciplinary measures will be taken against the employee who collected the cash from passengers.

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Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:04 pm

enilria wrote:

According to the LOT spokesman, disciplinary measures will be taken against the employee who collected the cash from passengers.


Why the employee and not the guy who demanded cash? I wondered if they felt pressured not to cancel the flight by the airline. That shouldn't be the case, but who knows.
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:04 pm

I have heard of stranger things, but, if this was a Boeing owned business, something tells me the guy will not be working there today.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:59 pm

indcwby wrote:
enilria wrote:

According to the LOT spokesman, disciplinary measures will be taken against the employee who collected the cash from passengers.


Why the employee and not the guy who demanded cash? I wondered if they felt pressured not to cancel the flight by the airline. That shouldn't be the case, but who knows.

I also thought that was odd, but I guess it was their decision to break policy. They should have delayed the flight I guess.

From the airline's perspective it is doubly bad because 1) it's a PR nightmare and 2) they acceded to this contractors demands and created a standard that won't be repeated in the future.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:06 pm

The LOT crew couldn't come up with 280 GBP among them? Assuming the minimum of 2 pilots and 6 FAs, that's less than 47 GBP each on average. I don't carry much cold hard cash in these days of credit cards and various forms of electronic payments but my pocket change would have a bit more than that most times whenever I step out of my home.
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:20 pm

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The LOT crew couldn't come up with 280 GBP among them? Assuming the minimum of 2 pilots and 6 FAs, that's less than 47 GBP each on average. I don't carry much cold hard cash in these days of credit cards and various forms of electronic payments but my pocket change would have a bit more than that most times whenever I step out of my home.

The amount of money seems way too low. I wonder if they only collected after emptying their own pockets.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:29 pm

I was on a flight from Brazzaville to Pointe Noire once where they took up a collection to pay a guy with a handcart full of batteries for a jump start. (I think an An-24) But you'd expect better in Beijing.
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:33 pm

kinda sounds like the crew got scammed by the mechanic
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:39 pm

Nomadd wrote:
I was on a flight from Brazzaville to Pointe Noire once where they took up a collection to pay a guy with a handcart full of batteries for a jumpstart. But, you'd expect better in Beijing.


Hah, I had something similar happen at Brazzaville too, but to pump up the tires!

But seriously, if it really was 2,500 RMB, that's not a whole lot. I get it, cards > cash, but I for one usually carry at least $100 when travelling abroad in cash. Surprised no one in the crew did.

Or maybe the amount was higher and the crew had already given all they had and were missing the 2500?
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:43 pm

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Nomadd wrote:
I was on a flight from Brazzaville to Pointe Noire once where they took up a collection to pay a guy with a handcart full of batteries for a jumpstart. (I think an An-24) But, you'd expect better in Beijing.


Hah, I had something similar happen at Brazzaville too, but to pump up the tires!

But seriously, if it really was 2,500 RMB, that's not a whole lot. I get it, cards > cash, but I for one usually carry at least $100 when travelling abroad in cash. Surprised no one in the crew did.

Or maybe the amount was higher and the crew had already given all they had and were missing the 2500?

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Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:02 pm

The article is from the Daily Mail. In Britain also known as the Daily Hatemail or the Daily Fail, Daily Heil ... the story might (or might not) be true, but a British rightwing tabloid isn't exactly a good source.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:06 pm

AIRT0M wrote:
The article is from the Daily Mail. In Britain also known as the Daily Hatemail or the Daily Fail, Daily Heil ... the story might (or might not) be true, but a British rightwing tabloid isn't exactly a good source.

The have a quote from a spokesperson. Seems like it happened.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:16 pm

Usually this happens when the buyer's credit cannot be trusted. Could of course happen also if the seller is incompetent or card machines are not working. Which is it this time?
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:29 pm

This is the first time I am hearing about freelance aircraft mechanics.

AirlineCritic wrote:
Usually this happens when the buyer's credit cannot be trusted. Could of course happen also if the seller is incompetent or card machines are not working. Which is it this time?

Isn't it hard to believe that the flight's (a B787) captain couldn't withdraw $360 from his credit card??
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:56 pm

This entire situation seems very strange to me. Would the pilots not have gotten on with airline dispatch and informed them of the cash request? If I were the captain, I would have frankly refused and made the decision to deplane and cancel the flight; I'd be concerned with the quality of repair to be performed at this point. I genuinely doubt if LOT knew what was unfolding the would not have wanted their crew to panhandle the passengers -- this puts an unprofessional tag on the airline.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:59 pm

My question is the repair was done so the plane was flyable who was holding it this plane because the bribe was not paid. Seems to me a simple employee would not have the power to hold up a departure from a busy international airport because he didn't get a couple hundred bucks.
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:00 pm

anshabhi wrote:
This is the first time I am hearing about freelance aircraft mechanics.

AirlineCritic wrote:
Usually this happens when the buyer's credit cannot be trusted. Could of course happen also if the seller is incompetent or card machines are not working. Which is it this time?

Isn't it hard to believe that the flight's (a B787) captain couldn't withdraw $360 from his credit card??


Not to mention why they couldn't access company funds in the same way to pay the tab.
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Next time - before agreeing to pay anything to the mechanic, ask: "您希望社交信用评级下降吗" (Do you want your Social Credit Rating to drop)?

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Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:20 pm

The story doesn't sound correct, least of all the amount involved.

IATA, Star Alliance and LOT use SWIFT for paying real time when issues arise like this, and accredited suppliers can rely on guaranteed payments up to pre-arranged limits. LOT and ALC have credit lines with Boeing for parts and services.

Is LOT doing well on this route, so the bad PR benefits Chinese carriers?

Go back 30 years ago, this was one of the tactics used by the Western world to hinder Emirates growth. And 40 years ago, Laker.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:52 pm

Sounds to me it was a bribe or 'priority attention fee' that someone extorted from LOT, pax and crew. I hope they got the name of the idiot and turn him in to the Chinese police and face their crude justice.
 
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Reminds me of Russia back in the 1990s.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:09 pm

Wouldn't the senior pilot hold a company credit debit card with several thousand(s) of dollars/pounds/Euros available?
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:25 pm

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Wouldn't the senior pilot hold a company credit debit card with several thousand(s) of dollars/pounds/Euros available?

That´s exactly what I was thinking, too.
Somehow I think they should have talked to LOT´s OPS before anyway ...
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frmrCapCadet wrote:
Wouldn't the senior pilot hold a company credit debit card with several thousand(s) of dollars/pounds/Euros available?

Maybe you missed that part?
LOT Polish Airlines spokesman Adrian Kubicki said: 'An employee at the Boeing warehouse in Beijing refused to accept a bank transfer and insisted on cash.'

Plastic wasn't going to cut it, they wanted cold hard cash.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:21 pm

Maybe it's just me but can someone carify.
1. An employee at the Boeing warehouse in Beijing refused to accept a bank transfer and insisted on cash.'
Is that person employed by Boeing or just works at the warehouse and employed by the contractor who operates the warehouse?
2. They were asked to foot the bill after the mechanic who had been employed to fix the pump demanded that he would only take cash as payment.
Is the mechanic the same person as the one at the Boeing warehouse?
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:29 pm

Many airlines actually carry a credit card in the flight deck for emergencies. For example they will have a shell branded credit card if the pilots have to buy fuel if they divert to a station with no fuel contract.

I have never heard of an airline carrying cash. I also am confused about needing cash to pay for a part. Boeing sells parts on credit that gets repaid by the purchasing departments at the airline headquarters with proper invoices. You don’t walk up to Aviall or a Boeing Distribution center and pay in cash.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:35 pm

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The story doesn't sound correct, least of all the amount involved.

IATA, Star Alliance and LOT use SWIFT for paying real time when issues arise like this, and accredited suppliers can rely on guaranteed payments up to pre-arranged limits. LOT and ALC have credit lines with Boeing for parts and services.

Is LOT doing well on this route, so the bad PR benefits Chinese carriers?

Go back 30 years ago, this was one of the tactics used by the Western world to hinder Emirates growth. And 40 years ago, Laker.


SWIFT payments actually take up to 5 days to clear so they are not precisely "real time". Credit lines between airlines and suppliers allow to effectively buy fuel and services in real time, but the actual cash takes a while to arrive.

Legitimate purchases like fuel or parts don't need to be made with cash, so if the story is true this was most likely for a bribe.
 
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280 GBP for a hydraulic pump on a 787? Such a bargain! If my old Beech Sundowner needed a repair, and it came out to under $1000, I'd go out and buy a lottery ticket, figuring it was my lucky day!!!

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WayexTDI wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
Wouldn't the senior pilot hold a company credit debit card with several thousand(s) of dollars/pounds/Euros available?

Maybe you missed that part?
LOT Polish Airlines spokesman Adrian Kubicki said: 'An employee at the Boeing warehouse in Beijing refused to accept a bank transfer and insisted on cash.'

Plastic wasn't going to cut it, they wanted cold hard cash.


With a creditcard/debit card you normally can get cash. I suspect a pilot would know how to do it.
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280 GBP for a hydraulic pump on a 787? Such a bargain!

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Thats the first thing came in my mind, only 280 GBP !
 
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beechnut wrote:
280 GBP for a hydraulic pump on a 787? Such a bargain!

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Thats the first thing came in my mind, only 280 GBP !


I'm sure it will keep the mechanic in noodles for a few months...
 
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The article is from the Daily Mail. In Britain also known as the Daily Hatemail or the Daily Fail, Daily Heil ... the story might (or might not) be true, but a British rightwing tabloid isn't exactly a good source.

Sure hope ULCCs do not have that rag on board or it might give them such 'crazy' ideas..... :crazy:
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:52 pm

This makes no sense. Wouldn't it be easier for the captain (or other crew member) to withdraw cash from an ATM at the airport and pay the guy? Trying to collect cash from pax just moves the issue from the airline to their customers. Very unprofessional.
 
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280 GBP for a hydraulic pump on a 787? Such a bargain! If my old Beech Sundowner needed a repair, and it came out to under $1000, I'd go out and buy a lottery ticket, figuring it was my lucky day!!!

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Yeah, I was going to say, 280 GBP for any 787 part more complex than a tray table seems awfully cheap.

I think this was a bribe.
 
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I think it was a bribe to do the work. However, why bother the passengers? Shouldn't there be a station manager for LOT that could have gone and got the cash and settled the bribe?
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:32 am

This doesn’t smell right to me. I would be absolutely dumbfounded if a crew member came around asking me and my fellow passengers to fork over cash for an aircraft part. I probably wouldn’t have much to give in this increasingly cashless world and it would definitely bother me.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:53 am

Summary of what was reported on Polish forum:

- yes, it did happen, confirmed by the airline
- airline first issued a denial (before the flight get to WAW - news article was posted around the time flight left PEK), but they were forced to confirm it after a recording was released and more passengers were talking to the press
- airline said that it was "an initiative" of a local Lot employee (not a crew member) - which is not a standard procedure - who wanted to solve the problem asap, and there was no ATM close by
- no reasonable explanation why cash was needed was given, people posted it was official Boeing service
- looks like there was nobody to help quickly in HQ in Warsaw - because of late hour/strike at that time/something - I'm not sure
- money was collected between few passengers in J, someone said that "local employee knew those passengers - from previous flights"
- one poster said that on arrival in WAW passengers were routed some special way to avoid waiting press
- those passengers who did loan the money were greeted by vice-president of Lot after arrival, they got the money back, and received vouchers for future flights and some Lot merch - so a good deal for them

(sorry for potentially messy grammar - it's very late...)
 
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KrustyTheKlown wrote:
smartplane wrote:
The story doesn't sound correct, least of all the amount involved.

IATA, Star Alliance and LOT use SWIFT for paying real time when issues arise like this, and accredited suppliers can rely on guaranteed payments up to pre-arranged limits. LOT and ALC have credit lines with Boeing for parts and services.

Is LOT doing well on this route, so the bad PR benefits Chinese carriers?

Go back 30 years ago, this was one of the tactics used by the Western world to hinder Emirates growth. And 40 years ago, Laker.


SWIFT payments actually take up to 5 days to clear so they are not precisely "real time". Credit lines between airlines and suppliers allow to effectively buy fuel and services in real time, but the actual cash takes a while to arrive.

Legitimate purchases like fuel or parts don't need to be made with cash, so if the story is true this was most likely for a bribe.

SWIFT / IATA and SWIFT / bank interfaces are real time, spot or value-dated.

A few US banks keep the interface open and action 24/7, but most value date even when spot.

Even fewer US bank participants provide real time beneficiary notification, the reverse of Europe, Asia and Pacific.

Aircraft payments and milestones are handled via SWIFT, with IATA, Boeing and Airbus participating financial institutions.

Interesting to see if SWIFT has a role in respect to CORSIA related transactions.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:05 am

RMB 2500 or GBP 280 isn't for repairing a 787. Most likely it is bribery for having the correct stamps or signature an hour or two faster, so they could get on the way.

The captain has of course a company credit card to cover minor unexpected expenses, but bribery is cash only, and these days we carry little cash.

If I had been a passenger on that plane, and a crew member had contacted me, then I would gladly have shelled out that money, knowing that a LOT employee of course would meet me at arrival destination and refund me. It would be faster than the captain going and search for an ATM.
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I am surprised anyone had cash as it is illegal to take Chinese yuan outside of China. I was in China twice and I remember that everyone wanted cash no credit cards. I persuaded my travel agency in Beijing to have half send through pay pal as not too many places took non-Chinese credit cards.
 
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Summary of what was reported on Polish forum ...


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The LOT crew couldn't come up with 280 GBP among them? Assuming the minimum of 2 pilots and 6 FAs, that's less than 47 GBP each on average. I don't carry much cold hard cash in these days of credit cards and various forms of electronic payments but my pocket change would have a bit more than that most times whenever I step out of my home.


Many Chinese companies can’t take foreign credit cards, only Chinese union pay cards.
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Next time - before agreeing to pay anything to the mechanic, ask: "您希望社交信用评级下降吗" (Do you want your Social Credit Rating to drop)?

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Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:50 am

That sets a BAD precedence !! Some years ago I had a broken China Airlines B747 with a bad Lateral Control Actuator in SFO on Christmas Day no Less. I spent the Entire shift getting that Airplane out of my hair and when they Left? It was too late to have Holiday Dinner with my Crew. Later? I got 20Lbs of Prime Rib from them for my troubles. I had to give 17 pounds of it away because it was TOO big for the oven in my Apartment.. We had to call in 2 inspectors from Home and 2 top Mechanics from the Maintenance operations Center who were the ONLY guys qualified to replace and ops check the LCCA without a Test Flight at SFO. The Bill alone I later heard was $25K. Just for the Borrowed Part and the Labor as the Part had to be flown in from LAX.
 
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I am surprised anyone had cash as it is illegal to take Chinese yuan outside of China. I was in China twice and I remember that everyone wanted cash no credit cards. I persuaded my travel agency in Beijing to have half send through pay pal as not too many places took non-Chinese credit cards.


That's illegal? I'm a real criminal apparently. Ugh. Not a country I'd ever go back to. I had to pay a fine in cash just to leave the country (random flight cancellations at the chinese governments behest isn't an excuse to overstay) and when I said all I had a card they forced me to miss my flight home for another day until I got them cash. I called the embassy and they said yeah it might seem like a bribe but don't question it, just give them what they want and leave. The only law that gets enforced in China is not picking fights with government officials.
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neutrino wrote:
The LOT crew couldn't come up with 280 GBP among them? Assuming the minimum of 2 pilots and 6 FAs, that's less than 47 GBP each on average. I don't carry much cold hard cash in these days of credit cards and various forms of electronic payments but my pocket change would have a bit more than that most times whenever I step out of my home.


Many Chinese companies can’t take foreign credit cards, only Chinese union pay cards.

In case you didn't read properly, I was referring to cash carried by the crew. The passing mention of credit card is only incidental. Clear?
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Re: LOT Passengers Asked to Pay Cash For 787 Repair in PEK

Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:00 am

WROORD wrote:
I am surprised anyone had cash as it is illegal to take Chinese yuan outside of China. I was in China twice and I remember that everyone wanted cash no credit cards. I persuaded my travel agency in Beijing to have half send through pay pal as not too many places took non-Chinese credit cards.

Huh???
In my understanding, though I could be partially wrong, not more than 20,000 RMB is allowed to be brought out of China without declaration. So,please be better informed before posting wrong statements. Don't rely on false hearsay. If you choose to be gullible, keep it to yourself.
Anyway, travelling to and out of China for about twenty times in total, and around annually in recent years, I usually have about 2,000 or so RMB leftover in my pocket. Never had any problem with that. Only twice was I asked how much RMB I had and they were satisfied it was only a couple of thousands.
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Re: LOT Passengers Asked to Pay Cash For 787 Repair in PEK

Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:14 am

beechnut wrote:
280 GBP for a hydraulic pump on a 787? Such a bargain! If my old Beech Sundowner needed a repair, and it came out to under $1000, I'd go out and buy a lottery ticket, figuring it was my lucky day!!!

Beech

A simple replenisher pump for a run-of-the-mill Fujifilm minilab goes for about half of that, so yes 280GBP looks to be very low for that aircraft part.
Perhaps, the mechanic got it from their online marketplace Taobao or AliExpress? :rotfl:
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