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eamondzhang wrote:You got VN@SGN, KE@ICN, MU@PVG, CI@TPE and GA@CGK (admittedly not much for the latter two) for various roles between Australia/NZ and Asia/Europe/ME. And if you are looking into some connection possibilities in Africa, you have KQ@NBO. I would say it's pretty well covered already.
Michael
MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:eamondzhang wrote:You got VN@SGN, KE@ICN, MU@PVG, CI@TPE and GA@CGK (admittedly not much for the latter two) for various roles between Australia/NZ and Asia/Europe/ME. And if you are looking into some connection possibilities in Africa, you have KQ@NBO. I would say it's pretty well covered already.
Michael
True, but AUH is more favourable situated between Europe and Australia. It's quite a detour to go from Europe to NZ/Australia via TPE/ICN
MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:eamondzhang wrote:You got VN@SGN, KE@ICN, MU@PVG, CI@TPE and GA@CGK (admittedly not much for the latter two) for various roles between Australia/NZ and Asia/Europe/ME. And if you are looking into some connection possibilities in Africa, you have KQ@NBO. I would say it's pretty well covered already.
Michael
True, but AUH is more favourable situated between Europe and Australia. It's quite a detour to go from Europe to NZ/Australia via TPE/ICN
smartplane wrote:There are three levels of membership status. Founder, full and affiliate.
To admit a new full member, requires 100% approval of founder members, and majority of full members. Don't think affiliates get to vote.
Skyteam senior management are focussed on EK, but gaining ET first might bait the hook, if/when EK and ET interests align. However, given DL is a founder member, hell will probably freeze before Skyteam would be permitted to make an attractive offer.
BestWestern wrote:The shortest route distance wise is actually via CAN.
eamondzhang wrote:MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:eamondzhang wrote:You got VN@SGN, KE@ICN, MU@PVG, CI@TPE and GA@CGK (admittedly not much for the latter two) for various roles between Australia/NZ and Asia/Europe/ME. And if you are looking into some connection possibilities in Africa, you have KQ@NBO. I would say it's pretty well covered already.
Michael
True, but AUH is more favourable situated between Europe and Australia. It's quite a detour to go from Europe to NZ/Australia via TPE/ICN
Aussie pax has shown over the time that if money and service wins out, detour and extra time doesn't really matter (to many of them anyway). AUH may be good geographical wise, but see how EY struggles with its Australian routes even with VA's partnership and an ever shrinking network I doubt EY can add much that can't be achieved today. I've also seen endless amount of passengers taking up the option of going via PEK/PVG and lay over for more than 10 hours simply because the fare is cheaper. Well maybe with second tier European destinations though, but with the number of connections from PVG the gap is smaller than ever. (Not ICN though as the connecting time is simply too long).
Michael
Antarius wrote:smartplane wrote:There are three levels of membership status. Founder, full and affiliate.
To admit a new full member, requires 100% approval of founder members, and majority of full members. Don't think affiliates get to vote.
Skyteam senior management are focussed on EK, but gaining ET first might bait the hook, if/when EK and ET interests align. However, given DL is a founder member, hell will probably freeze before Skyteam would be permitted to make an attractive offer.
ET is in Star. Do you mean EY?
MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:eamondzhang wrote:You got VN@SGN, KE@ICN, MU@PVG, CI@TPE and GA@CGK (admittedly not much for the latter two) for various roles between Australia/NZ and Asia/Europe/ME. And if you are looking into some connection possibilities in Africa, you have KQ@NBO. I would say it's pretty well covered already.
Michael
True, but AUH is more favourable situated between Europe and Australia. It's quite a detour to go from Europe to NZ/Australia via TPE/ICN
EK770 wrote:MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:eamondzhang wrote:You got VN@SGN, KE@ICN, MU@PVG, CI@TPE and GA@CGK (admittedly not much for the latter two) for various roles between Australia/NZ and Asia/Europe/ME. And if you are looking into some connection possibilities in Africa, you have KQ@NBO. I would say it's pretty well covered already.
Michael
True, but AUH is more favourable situated between Europe and Australia. It's quite a detour to go from Europe to NZ/Australia via TPE/ICN
You’d be surprised, AUH is actually more of a detour than TPE/ICN (albeit marginally!)
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=fra-syd%2C ... =wls&DU=nm
MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:I think Skyteam could prove to be a solution to EY's struggle.
smartplane wrote:given DL is a founder member, hell will probably freeze before Skyteam would be permitted to make an attractive offer.
eamondzhang wrote:Tend to agree with ICN tho the connecting time (especially outbound from AU) never helped.
ScottB wrote:I think SkyTeam would be quite happy to see EY continue to struggle and ultimately remove some capacity from the market.
Amsterdam wrote:KLM already codeshares with Cathay, Malaysian, Singapore, Erhiad and Qantas to Australia. Besides Garuda, CZ, Korean and Jetstar.
So it doesnt seem needed for EY to join Skyteam.
ScottB wrote:MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:I think Skyteam could prove to be a solution to EY's struggle.
I think SkyTeam would be quite happy to see EY continue to struggle and ultimately remove some capacity from the market.
smartplane wrote:Skyteam senior management are focussed on EK
smartplane wrote:However, given DL is a founder member, hell will probably freeze before Skyteam would be permitted to make an attractive offer.
tris06 wrote:I think skyteam has always hoped to get Virgin Australia into skyteam.
eamondzhang wrote:EK770 wrote:MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:
True, but AUH is more favourable situated between Europe and Australia. It's quite a detour to go from Europe to NZ/Australia via TPE/ICN
You’d be surprised, AUH is actually more of a detour than TPE/ICN (albeit marginally!)
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=fra-syd%2C ... =wls&DU=nm
Only in theory as TPE-Europe flights goes via VVO on the way there and comes back via India/Myammar/KMG so it's quite a detour as OP suggested. Tend to agree with ICN tho the connecting time (especially outbound from AU) never helped.
Michael
flyer1225 wrote:eamondzhang wrote:EK770 wrote:
You’d be surprised, AUH is actually more of a detour than TPE/ICN (albeit marginally!)
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=fra-syd%2C ... =wls&DU=nm
Only in theory as TPE-Europe flights goes via VVO on the way there and comes back via India/Myammar/KMG so it's quite a detour as OP suggested. Tend to agree with ICN tho the connecting time (especially outbound from AU) never helped.
Michael
Same reason why BR/CI prefer to leave Europe-Taiwan routes operated on their European partners' metal.
LH658 wrote:Wouldn't make sense to transfer pax on Garuda
eamondzhang wrote:TPE doesn't really see much BR/CI partner's flights at all - arguably you have exactly one each from both carriers - KL for CI and TK for BR (and they don't even codeshare as far as I'm aware of). Apart from these two, pretty much all the TPE-Europe flight is on either CI or BR.
Michael