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Il-96-400 News and Discussion Thread

Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:42 am

Ilyushin, now part of UAC, posted on their Instagram page a picture of the first of two Il-96-400 on final production. According to the comment, everything is under way, as the first flight is still expected in the first months of 2019, and deliveries in 2020. Beside Cubana, did any other airlines ordered the jet? Rossiya?
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:58 am

I must have missed something, the -400T (Freighter) was already flying more than 7 years ago, the -400VIP (PAX) has been around for ages, this database is full of pictures of both.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:28 am

cougar15 wrote:
I must have missed something, the -400T (Freighter) was already flying more than 7 years ago, the -400VIP (PAX) has been around for ages, this database is full of pictures of both.


Not quite. I believe the -400 you are referring to is actually known as the Il-96M. The Il-96-400 and Il-96-400M, or at least the ones referred to here, are modernised version of the stretch. New engines, updated cockpit and all of the usual stuff.



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Beside Cubana, did any other airlines ordered the jet? Rossiya?


I think the Russian state ordered some. There is/was a tanker program based on it too, but it seems to have been cancelled for the time being. It won't surprise me if they eventually end up replacing all state and air force Il-62s, Il-86 and Il-80s with them, and maybe some Il-18 variants as well.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:26 am

VSMUT wrote:
cougar15 wrote:
I must have missed something, the -400T (Freighter) was already flying more than 7 years ago, the -400VIP (PAX) has been around for ages, this database is full of pictures of both.


Not quite. I believe the -400 you are referring to is actually known as the Il-96M. The Il-96-400 and Il-96-400M, or at least the ones referred to here, are modernised version of the stretch. New engines, updated cockpit and all of the usual stuff.



SR380 wrote:
Beside Cubana, did any other airlines ordered the jet? Rossiya?


I think the Russian state ordered some. There is/was a tanker program based on it too, but it seems to have been cancelled for the time being. It won't surprise me if they eventually end up replacing all state and air force Il-62s, Il-86 and Il-80s with them, and maybe some Il-18 variants as well.


I have read that Syrian Air was looking at the MC21. Maybe they'll choose this one for long range flights, or trunk route to DXB. I still hope to see a JS Il-96...
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:56 pm

Hopfully we'll see this beauty in Europe's skies also.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:17 pm

Here's a link to the picture.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqZ3lK9HiYc/?hl=en

Compared to the Airbus and Boeing factory floors I've seen, this looks like a cramped mess.

I'm very excited about the aircraft though!
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:46 pm

This is the official page about the project.
http://www.ilyushin.org/en/aircrafts/projects/1592/

I'd like to see some more information though.

Edit:
Hidden on that page is even a payload range chart:
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http://www.ilyushin.org/images/air/4/Il-96-400M/Il-96-400M-tabl.jpg
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:05 pm

Birdwatching wrote:
Here's a link to the picture.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqZ3lK9HiYc/?hl=en

Compared to the Airbus and Boeing factory floors I've seen, this looks like a cramped mess.

I'm very excited about the aircraft though!

It's just the fuselage production area. That looks somehow similar to the Spirit floor for the 737 fuselage.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:18 pm

Might be a bit offtopic, but anyway...

recently, two IL-96-300s of defunct Domodedovo Airlines were pulled out of storage and flew again after more than 10 years.
Are these jets going to a major overhaul and will be back in service in some airline? Any infos?
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:58 pm

maybe Iran air will buy some now the sanctions prohibit them from buying US en European planes.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:39 pm

IWMBH wrote:
maybe Iran air will buy some now the sanctions prohibit them from buying US en European planes.

Didn’t they order some IL-96 and a few TU-204s back a decade ago?
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:09 pm

Spacepope wrote:
IWMBH wrote:
maybe Iran air will buy some now the sanctions prohibit them from buying US en European planes.

Didn’t they order some IL-96 and a few TU-204s back a decade ago?


Apparently not, they've only western planes in their fleet. Never understood why this is the case.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:10 pm

According to the specifications of the plane, as posted above, the plane requires 3 flight crew. Why would a supposedly modern plane require 3 flight crew?
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:19 pm

Great for diversity of aircraft, but is easily a full generation behind the 787 and A350. Competes more with an A340-300 by the looks of it. Wasn’t this supposed to be retrofitted with the PW2037s, which by today’s standards, isn’t that fuel efficient.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:30 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong- this is the year 2018. And they are still producing the IL96?!?!
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:33 pm

Wouldn't it be easier just to buy a used A340?
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:12 pm

Spacepope wrote:
IWMBH wrote:
maybe Iran air will buy some now the sanctions prohibit them from buying US en European planes.

Didn’t they order some IL-96 and a few TU-204s back a decade ago?


They did. It never went through for the same reason Cubana's fleet is mostly grounded. Poor after sales. Since the Airbus and Boeing deal went down, it might be a second chance for UAC.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:14 pm

leleko747 wrote:
Might be a bit offtopic, but anyway...

recently, two IL-96-300s of defunct Domodedovo Airlines were pulled out of storage and flew again after more than 10 years.
Are these jets going to a major overhaul and will be back in service in some airline? Any infos?


It's three altogether. RA-96006, ex Domodedovo Airlines, took off recently for a possible return to service. I have contacted UAC through Instagram, could figure out for whom it is intended.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:52 am

It is all about transportation security.
Though the probability of sanctions on airplanes seems to be low today, it can change.
The Russian government creates an emergency fleet to secure domestic market in case of nuclear sanctions.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:29 am

IWMBH wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
IWMBH wrote:
maybe Iran air will buy some now the sanctions prohibit them from buying US en European planes.

Didn’t they order some IL-96 and a few TU-204s back a decade ago?


Apparently not, they've only western planes in their fleet. Never understood why this is the case.


The PS-90 engines were not appropriate for Iran's hot and high airports. PS-90A2 was considered but this version has US parts (PW).
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:17 am

N14AZ wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong- this is the year 2018. And they are still producing the IL96?!?!


Buy that token why are Boeing still producing 737’s and 747’s designs which are considerably older?
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:57 am

Birdwatching wrote:
Here's a link to the picture.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqZ3lK9HiYc/?hl=en

Compared to the Airbus and Boeing factory floors I've seen, this looks like a cramped mess.

I'm very excited about the aircraft though!



It looks as though one (on the right of the the pictures) fuselage has eyebrow windows and the other doesn't.... Can anyone offer any insight?
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:08 am

Kiwirob wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong- this is the year 2018. And they are still producing the IL96?!?!


Buy that token why are Boeing still producing 737’s and 747’s designs which are considerably older?

Well, Boeing doesn’t produce any passenger versions of the 747 anymore. But I got your point. I didn’t pay too much attention to the Russian aircraft production and was simply surprised to see a newly built IL96...
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:13 am

IWMBH wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
IWMBH wrote:
maybe Iran air will buy some now the sanctions prohibit them from buying US en European planes.

Didn’t they order some IL-96 and a few TU-204s back a decade ago?


Apparently not, they've only western planes in their fleet. Never understood why this is the case.


I read somewhere (I think on a Russian aviation portal) that Sukhoi is working hard on bringing down Western components to below 10% so that they can sell the plane to the Iranians. They mentioned that they already reduced the number but not enough.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:31 pm

Ilyushin did put a photo of the IL 96 - 400 yesterday on their Instagram page, but is it a new photo or an old one? any one got any update?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrfK_vmnZJN/
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:35 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong- this is the year 2018. And they are still producing the IL96?!?!


Buy that token why are Boeing still producing 737’s and 747’s designs which are considerably older?

Apples and oranges. Ridiculous argument.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:41 pm

flight152 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong- this is the year 2018. And they are still producing the IL96?!?!


Buy that token why are Boeing still producing 737’s and 747’s designs which are considerably older?

Apples and oranges. Ridiculous argument.

Not really, quite relevant.
Both are updates to very old designs
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:58 pm

Both the latest versions of the B737 and B747 are VERY updated though on older designs, other than the fact they both look more or less like their original predecessors the amount of updating has more or less made them entirely different aircraft especially with the B737.

Now could the same be said about the IL96, I personally don't think so as what ever they do to the aircraft it's still basically the same aircraft a very old looking design regardless of the fact that it's the IL96-400.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:36 pm

First pictures of the new Ilyushin 96, dubbed Il-496 has been published on Twitter:

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmbassyofRus ... -interiors

There is some noticeable changes. The middle baggage rack, PTVs, and the seats looks a bit more modern. Beside Cubana (if they will take deliveries) I wonder who will fly this beast. Aeroflot? Rossiya (passenger)?

Could we see new customers? Iran air, Syrian Air, etc...?
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:45 pm

Slash787 wrote:
Ilyushin did put a photo of the IL 96 - 400 yesterday on their Instagram page, but is it a new photo or an old one? any one got any update?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrfK_vmnZJN/


It's an ex Polet Il-96-400 cargo that was converted in "passenger" version. It is flight for a government agency.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:45 pm

Aeroflot dumped their IL-96-3000 in droves. I don't think they will add -4000 unless Kremlin said so. What is their production rate? 1-2 a year?
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:46 pm

SR380 wrote:
First pictures of the new Ilyushin 96, dubbed Il-496 has been published on Twitter:


I'd say the interiors look more like CGI renderings than actual photos.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:52 pm

The only way this ever gets airborne is if the Kremlin wants it too. Why would any airline hoping to make a profit order this outdated plane?
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:33 pm

IWMBH wrote:
The only way this ever gets airborne is if the Kremlin wants it too. Why would any airline hoping to make a profit order this outdated plane?


The exact same reason why HNA was "encouraged" to order the ARJ21 by China.

The only difference between HNA and Aeroflot is profitability.

The IL-96 is a strategic aircraft for the following reasons:

1) The only "modern" quad jet that can be a Presidential Transport (imagine the number of bugs that would be put inside a 747 or A340 ordered by Putin) that not made in the West
2) Forget the presidential transport, would you want your armed forces to use a foreign plane for AWACS or Nuclear Command and Control?
3) Jobs program and technology. You can't let this die while you're trying to ramp up your C929 program with China.

The IL-96-400M will be forced into service with Rossiya (which is owned by Aeroflot) and Aeroflot will be given tariff waivers for Boeings and Airbuses.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:53 pm

WorldFlier wrote:
IWMBH wrote:
The only way this ever gets airborne is if the Kremlin wants it too. Why would any airline hoping to make a profit order this outdated plane?


The exact same reason why HNA was "encouraged" to order the ARJ21 by China.

The only difference between HNA and Aeroflot is profitability.

The IL-96 is a strategic aircraft for the following reasons:

1) The only "modern" quad jet that can be a Presidential Transport (imagine the number of bugs that would be put inside a 747 or A340 ordered by Putin) that not made in the West
2) Forget the presidential transport, would you want your armed forces to use a foreign plane for AWACS or Nuclear Command and Control?
3) Jobs program and technology. You can't let this die while you're trying to ramp up your C929 program with China.

The IL-96-400M will be forced into service with Rossiya (which is owned by Aeroflot) and Aeroflot will be given tariff waivers for Boeings and Airbuses.

As far as I know, Rossiya commercial airline has new paint livery. This livery is for government use only. Which means that this plane is made for russian government and will be only used by Russian government. In reality west would sanction Russia aviation like Iran, but they have their own jets for obviously political reasons.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:06 pm

GalebG4 wrote:
WorldFlier wrote:
IWMBH wrote:
The only way this ever gets airborne is if the Kremlin wants it too. Why would any airline hoping to make a profit order this outdated plane?


The exact same reason why HNA was "encouraged" to order the ARJ21 by China.

The only difference between HNA and Aeroflot is profitability.

The IL-96 is a strategic aircraft for the following reasons:

1) The only "modern" quad jet that can be a Presidential Transport (imagine the number of bugs that would be put inside a 747 or A340 ordered by Putin) that not made in the West
2) Forget the presidential transport, would you want your armed forces to use a foreign plane for AWACS or Nuclear Command and Control?
3) Jobs program and technology. You can't let this die while you're trying to ramp up your C929 program with China.

The IL-96-400M will be forced into service with Rossiya (which is owned by Aeroflot) and Aeroflot will be given tariff waivers for Boeings and Airbuses.

As far as I know, Rossiya commercial airline has new paint livery. This livery is for government use only. Which means that this plane is made for russian government and will be only used by Russian government. In reality west would sanction Russia aviation like Iran, but they have their own jets for obviously political reasons.


There are "two" Rossiya Airlines. The one belonging to Aeroflot, with the red livery, and absorbed most of Transaero's fleet. And then the government's fleet, still painted gray with the Russian flag on the tail. Still. Both could use it. The government for various transports missions, AWACS and president transport, and finally the commercial airlines for charter flights to replace their 744 for example...
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:17 pm

SR380 wrote:
First pictures of the new Ilyushin 96, dubbed Il-496 has been published on Twitter:

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmbassyofRus ... -interiors

There is some noticeable changes. The middle baggage rack, PTVs, and the seats looks a bit more modern. Beside Cubana (if they will take deliveries) I wonder who will fly this beast. Aeroflot? Rossiya (passenger)?

Could we see new customers? Iran air, Syrian Air, etc...?


Very modern and nice looking cabin. It is also nice to see a 4 engine aircraft. I am confused why it has a three person cockpit crew. Is the third person flight engineer?
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:25 pm

Hey guys,

It seems that SU ordered 35 more MC-21, that's 85 altogether. Considering that SU already operates SSJ, can we imagine that it will follow by ordering Il-96 while awaiting the new C-929?
 
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SR380 wrote:
Hey guys,

It seems that SU ordered 35 more MC-21, that's 85 altogether. Considering that SU already operates SSJ, can we imagine that it will follow by ordering Il-96 while awaiting the new C-929?

I have a lot of doubts. SU had 6 IL-96-300s that they recently retired in 2014, and I think most of them are flying for Cubana now. While the IL-96-400 is a very different aircraft, I'm not sure it fully fits SU's current plan in terms of widebodies.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:38 pm

3 cockpit crew? 4 PS-90s? A small and chronically underfunded Russian enterprise as the only support?

There may be good strategic reasons for the Russian government to underwrite this project, but let's not pretend that it is an actual attempt to compete in the widebody airplane market. As pointed out above a used A340-300 is a substantially superior product. This is three generations behind what the Western OEMs are supplying today, let alone what they have planned for the future.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:51 pm

N292UX wrote:
SR380 wrote:
Hey guys,

It seems that SU ordered 35 more MC-21, that's 85 altogether. Considering that SU already operates SSJ, can we imagine that it will follow by ordering Il-96 while awaiting the new C-929?

I have a lot of doubts. SU had 6 IL-96-300s that they recently retired in 2014, and I think most of them are flying for Cubana now. While the IL-96-400 is a very different aircraft, I'm not sure it fully fits SU's current plan in terms of widebodies.


Lately CU has about one opertional IL-96 at any time. A stored example is getting ready to ferry back to Russia for overhaul, and another one has been heavily cannibalized to get CU to this point (It had reportedly timed out on its airframe and was permanently WFU anyway).
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:34 pm

N292UX wrote:
SR380 wrote:
Hey guys,

It seems that SU ordered 35 more MC-21, that's 85 altogether. Considering that SU already operates SSJ, can we imagine that it will follow by ordering Il-96 while awaiting the new C-929?

I have a lot of doubts. SU had 6 IL-96-300s that they recently retired in 2014, and I think most of them are flying for Cubana now. While the IL-96-400 is a very different aircraft, I'm not sure it fully fits SU's current plan in terms of widebodies.


Well, according to everybody, the SSJ is an inferior product in anyway. Poor reliability, almost no after sales services, etc... Although, SU operates a lot of them. Why would this be different with the Il-96?
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:50 pm

Man, I really like Russia and Russian aircraft, but the chances of an Ил-96-400 being successful are probably very slim. Unless those new engines are competitively fuel efficient, and the aircraft itself boasts unique performance characteristics, most companies will look elsewhere. My hope is that the МС-21 can open the door for Russia in the global airline market and join the fleets of Western airlines (one here in the U.S. would totally rock!). Flying on such a plane would be a dream come true for me.

From what I've read, the SSJ's biggest problem is the lack of after-sales services/maintenance help. The Ил-96-400 will most likely get a few orders if Ilyushin can prepare itself to reliably provide these services. ОАК needs to tackle this task for the МС-21 as well.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:12 am

Hey guys. I can't find new information since November 2018 on the new Il-96-400. Anyone knows if the first prototype is anywhere near completion?
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:39 pm

SR380 wrote:
Hey guys. I can't find new information since November 2018 on the new Il-96-400. Anyone knows if the first prototype is anywhere near completion?


Nop, nothing news, it's quite silent around this bird.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:06 pm

UAC just published pictures on their Instagram page of the "first" built Il-96-400. The wings have been attached the the wing box, and the avionics will follow. I am wondering if the bird will go to a civilian customer or Rossiya...
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:32 pm

With those small wings maybe this aircraft is intended for medium range routes.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:08 pm

travelhound wrote:
With those small wings maybe this aircraft is intended for medium range routes.

It’s the same wings as all the other IL-96s, which was always a “medium” range (~5500-6000nm), at least by today’s standards, aircraft.
 
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Re: First Il-96-400 in final production

Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:51 pm

SR380 wrote:
UAC just published pictures on their Instagram page of the "first" built Il-96-400. The wings have been attached the the wing box, and the avionics will follow. I am wondering if the bird will go to a civilian customer or Rossiya...

So, 2 years later and the aircraft is not fully assembled yet?

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